Do you understand what Fauci said?

WEDNESDAY, JULY 1, 2020

Also, decline in deaths restored:
Does anybody understand the tricky statistic called "cases?" This is why we ask:

Yesterday, Dr. Fauci made a comment which launched a million reports. Here's the way the comment is presented atop the front page of this morning's Washington Post:
GEARAN (7/1/20): Staggered by the resurgent novel coronavirus, cities and states are reinstituting restrictions on bars, pools and large gatherings days ahead of July 4 celebrations as the top U.S. infectious-disease expert warned Tuesday that the pandemic is out of control in some places and soon could reach 100,000 [new] cases a day.

Nationally, new infections have topped 40,000 in four of the past five days
during an accelerating outbreak that exceeds the worst days of April.

[...]

Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said he would not be surprised to see the number of new infections more than double, from over 40,000 a day now to 100,000 a day.
According to this remark, new infections (new "cases") are now topping 40,000 per day. But we could go as high as 100,000 new cases per day!

(Gearan et al. failed to include the word "new" in their opening paragraph. They made Fauci's meaning more clear a bit later on.)

We could go as high as 100,000 new cases per day? Does anyone understand that remark? This is why we ask:

Just last week, the head of the CDC said that the actual number of total cases to date may be as much as ten times the current recorded number. This is the way the Washington Post reported that assessment:
SUN (6/26/20): The number of people in the United States who have been infected with the coronavirus is likely to be 10 times as high as the 2.4 million confirmed cases, based on antibody tests, the head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Thursday.

CDC Director Robert Redfield’s estimate, shared with reporters in a conference call, indicates that at least 24 million Americans have been infected so far.
That was Redfield's assessment of the overall number of "cases" (infections) to date. We're saying the number is 2.4 million, but the actual number could be as high as 24 million!

That's what Redfield said. He was speaking about total infections to date. That doesn't necessarily mean that the number of new cases on any given day is actually ten times as high as the number which is being reported.

Still, if we're dealing with a factor of ten, isn't it possible that we're already experiencing 100,000 new infections (new cases) per day, with only 40,000 of those new infections being diagnosed and recorded? If not, why not? Do you have the slightest idea?

When it comes to covid-19 statistics, deaths are easy, cases are hard. It seems to us that there are a hundred ways to get confused about "cases," with some journalists striving to dabble in every one.

Deaths are more straightforward, though inconsistent reporting procedures create confusions even there, as New Jersey showed last week.

For ourselves, we're prepared to report a bit of superficial good news: yesterday, nationwide deaths declined again. (We're using the Washington Post numbers, adjusted for the retroactive dump of old deaths New Jersey engineered on June 25.)

Nationwide, we closed the month with the lowest seven-day average since the good old days of mid-March. Below, we make an up-to-the-minute addition to the numbers we posted yesterday:
Daily deaths, nationwide, 7-day rolling average
May 25-May 31: 915.6
June 1-June 7: 803.4
June 8-June 14: 710.9
June 15-June 21: 585.9
June 24-June 30: 543.9
The rate of decline has slowed—but as of yesterday, the decline was still occurring. Yesterday's seven-day average was the lowest such number yet, unless you let a skew occur based on those retroactive New Jersey numbers.

At the end of May, the seven-day average stood at 915.6 deaths per day. After yesterday's numbers were released, the seven-day average at the end of June stood at 543.9.

That's a big decline, but it may not continue. Meanwhile, news orgs now focus on "cases," a rather slippery statistic which offers quite a few pathways to confusion and incomprehension.

In closing, we return to our basic question:

Based on what Redfield said, is it possible that we're already experiencing 100,000 new infections (new cases) per day, only 40,000 of which are being recorded?

Is it possible that this is true? Of one thing you can be certain—no one is going to ask!

17 comments:

  1. All you need to know, dear Bob, is that 'cases' and 'new cases' is a completely useless statistic.

    It should actually be called something like 'cases discovered' and 'new cases discovered', to make it clear that this is the number of positives among all the tests performed.

    ...actually, they should present 2 numbers: 'tests performed' and 'number of positives'. But it still would be pretty useless, because we don't know how they pick the subjects: random? symptomatic? If a mixture - what kind of mixture? etc. etc. etc.

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  2. “That was Redfield's assessment of the overall number of "cases" (infections) to date. We're saying the number is 2.4 million, but the actual number could be as high as 24 million!”

    As the Post stated: “The number of people in the United States who have been infected with the coronavirus is likely to be 10 times as high as the 2.4 million confirmed cases”

    Somerby, after noting the “trickiness” of the term “cases”, engages in his own trickery by ignoring the Post’s use of the word “confirmed.”

    Redfield is saying that there are likely a lot more unconfirmed cases out there. These could be people who have not been tested, or show no symptoms.

    And, as to the supposed trickiness of the term “cases”, here is the definition used at worldometer, which comes by way of the CDC:

    “confirmed positive and also presumptive, suspect, or probable cases of detected infection.” (As of April 14, 2020, the CDC includes probable cases in their count.)

    Fauci is talking about 100,000 cases per day according to this definition.

    This is actually not terribly tricky, although Somerby is trying really hard to make it seem that way. Is he deliberately trying to confuse his readers?

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    1. Slight correction: Redfield said the actual number is at least 24 million, rather than as high as 24 million.

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    2. I agree with mh. Mr. Somerby hints at either trickery or sloppiness by The Post. I don't see it. Despite a busy week with little time to read the news, I was not mislead or confused by either Dr. Fauci or Dr. Redfield.

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  3. If it's true that 24 million have been infected with the virus, and roughly 100,000 have died with it (not from it, WITH it is how the deaths are counted), that means roughly .4% of the people who got the virus have died thus far. We wrecked our economy and totally reordered our way of life for that? They in fact want to press on with further closings, despite knowing all of this?

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    1. It all depends on your values, I guess.

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    2. The current mortality rate is like a very bad flu season. We didn't shut down the whole economy for the flu. We shouldn't shut down the whole economy for covid 19. High risk people, like me, can make it a point to stay home a lot and to take precautions.

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    3. No, it is 10 times worse than a bad flu season and it has only just begun.

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    4. Deaths are now running around 600 per day. The rate has been declining. If the rate of 600/day continues for 4 more months, that will be 74,000 deaths. A recent very bad fly season killed 80,000 Americans.

      Article from Sept., 2018:

      "An estimated 80,000 Americans died of flu and its complications last winter — the disease’s highest death toll in at least four decades.

      "The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Dr. Robert Redfield, revealed the total in an interview Tuesday night with The Associated Press.

      "Flu experts knew it was a very bad season, but at least one found size of the estimate surprising."

      https://www.statnews.com/2018/09/26/cdc-us-flu-deaths-winter/

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    5. Huh?

      We already have 130k+ deaths in the US alone.

      The Covid19 death rate is many times higher than the flu rate.

      The flu has a vaccine, and the flu death rate is without any actions to mitigate, such as masks and social distancing. Without those actions, Covid19 might have caused over a million deaths already.

      Flu deaths are estimations at best, we have no idea how many people die from flus, it is very likely way overblown. The only flu deaths actually counted are for children, which is usually a handful, a few dozen at the most.

      It is remarkable how low the integrity of Republicans is.

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  4. Somerby quotes the following:

    "June 8-June 14: 710.9
    June 15-June 21: 585.9
    June 24-June 30: 543.9"

    What happened to the dates June 22-23? They are missing, with no explanation by Somerby.

    As much as he complains about the way others report data, this is ridiculous.

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  5. Tracing has increased and counts of "increasing cases" are next to meaningless without randomized serology testing. We literally known nothing about whether cases have increased.

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