How peaceful, how violent. has it been out in Portland?

WEDNESDAY, JULY 29, 2020

Do you feel that you're being told?:
As our nation has evolved into two warring tribes, then, at least to some extent, so has our upper-end press corps.

To what extent might we now have two tribalized press corps, neither of which is devoted to telling us "the whole truth?"

On Sunday morning, we began to wonder about that, specifically with respect to events in Portland and Seattle. That first glimmer went down like this:

First, we read Mike Baker's report in the New York Times
about events in Seattle. He seemed to describe a lot of violent conduct on the part of protesters there, if only (at times) through the voice of police chief Carmen Best..

A few hours later, we read this report in Slate
, which was instantly sourced, in its first paragraph, to the Times report. Forgive us, but it almost seemed that the Slate report had been "sanitized"—that it had largely disappeared Baker's references to that violent conduct.

This morning, we've read Jonathan's Chait post about Trump's political motives in Portland. Chait says that Trump's political play there has failed.

We aren't real sure that's the case; we're scared that Chait could be wrong. Mainly, though, we were struck by this passage:
CHAIT (7/29/20): Trump’s ploy has not worked at all. Indeed, he and his supporters have been reduced to complaining that the biased news media is showing images of nonviolent protesters rather than the troops-versus-anarchist battles Trump longs to put on display.

Conservatives do have a germ of a point: Some of the protesters, especially in Portland, have destroyed or defaced property and provoked police, rather than merely demonstrating against racism and police violence. The Portland NAACP complained that “mostly white anarchists” have incited violence and diverted attention from the purpose of the protests.
Conservatives have only "a germ of a point" about the violence?

Forget the fact that the NAACP has complained about the violence. We wondered if Chait had read this recent AP report.

Leave it to the AP! This past weekend, they had one reporter embedded inside the federal courthouse in Portland. Another reporter was out in the street with the protesters, the demonstrators and the tiny number of people engaging in something like violence.

Mike Balsamo was the reporter inside the federal courthouse; Gillian Flaccus was out in the street. We'll suggest that you read their full report, but an early chunk from out in the street goes exactly like this:
BALSAMO AND FLACCUS (7/27/20): At 10:15 p.m. in Portland, the protesters made their first foray into conflict: A man tried to climb the fence and was quickly arrested.

Thirty minutes later, the fence rocked and leaned sharply as dozens of protesters pressed their weight against it, some of them throwing their bodies against it at a running start. The fence, designed to absorb the impact from a car going up to 30 mph, undulated like a wave and tilted dangerously before springing back.

[...]

[S]mall pods of three to four protesters dressed in black circulated in the crowd, stopping every few minutes to point green laser beams in the eyes of agents posted as lookouts
on porticoes on the courthouse’s upper stories. The agents above were silhouetted against the dark sky as dozens of green laser dots and a large spotlight played on the courthouse walls, projected from the back of the crowd.

Thirty minutes later, someone fired a commercial-grade firework inside the fence. Next came a flare and then protesters began using an angle grinder to eat away at the fence. A barrage of items came whizzing into the courthouse: rocks, cans of beans, water bottles, potatoes and rubber bouncy balls that cause the agents to slip and fall.
Personally, we wouldn't describe the people using those lasers as "protesters." However you score that point, the report includes this chunk from inside the building a bit later on:
BALSAMO AND FLACCUS: The [commercial-grade] firework came whizzing over the fence so fast that the agent didn’t have time to move.

It exploded with a boom, leaving his hearing deadened and bloody gashes on both forearms. Stunned, with help from his cohorts, he stripped to his boxer shorts and a black T-shirt so his wounds could be examined and photographed for evidence.

He told his fellow agents he was more worried about his hearing than about the gouges and burns on his arms.

By the end of the night, five other federal agents would be injured, including another who got a concussion
when he was hit in the head with a commercial-grade firework. One agent was hospitalized. Several agents have lingering vision problems from the lasers.

After each night of protest, they seize dozens of homemade shields, slingshots, blocks of wood and chunks of concrete.

“My friends have been hit in the head with hammers. I know people who have been shot with fireworks. It’s disgusting,” said the Deputy U.S. Marshal who’s been at the courthouse for weeks. “I’ve never thought I’d have to walk around in my office building wearing a gas mask to go sit in front of my computer.”
We'll admit it. We don't think the Washington Post and the New York Times have been conveying this picture of what has been going on. Cable news? Perhaps even less, though our cable has been semi-down. (As of today, it's back.)

With that said, please try to recall what we are, and what we aren't, asking you about:

We aren't asking what you think of Donald J. Trump. We aren't asking whether most of the protesters have been peaceful. (We assume they have been.)

We aren't asking if the marshals are just getting what they deserve. We're asking a different question:

We're asking if you think we're getting a full picture of what is happening from our anti-Trump news orgs. That's the question we've asked.

By last weekend, we suspected the answer was no. Unless that AP report is wildly off-base, we'll go with a stronger no.

Conservative news orgs are heavily pushing the claim of nightly violence. They tend to say that the peaceful protesters leave at 8 P.M., and the violent anarchists take over from there.

Chait was willing to say that they "have a germ of a point." We're afraid they may have more than a germ—even that continuing violence could imaginably start to tilt perceptions in Trump's favor.

Mainly, though, our question is simple. Are we getting a full picture of what's happening in Portland from our anti-Trump sources?

More and more, concerning various topics, it seems to us that the answer tends to be no. Their work has been horrible in the past. Is there any reason to expect better performance now?

48 comments:

  1. Trump's enemies automatically disagree with anything Trump says or does. Trump says there's violence in Portland, so his enemies (Dems+Mainstream and liberal media) say there's little or none. As Bob points out, people can see videos and photos of the violence. People are faced with the question: Do you trust the media or your lying eyes?

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    1. David, Haven't you've missed a key part of Somerby's point?

      "To what extent might we now have two tribalized press corps, neither of which is devoted to telling us 'the whole truth?'"

      In other words, when you say "Dems+Mainstream and liberal media" are enemies of Trump and ignore violence, aren't you ignoring the ways in which Fox and Sinclair and OANN play down the peaceful protestors? Somerby is clearing saying that both sides deny us the full story and in turn that obscures the "whole truth.," something that is already difficult to achieve even when the story is reported in full.

      It's the tribalism, DinC.

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    2. 12:37
      That is an excellent point. But DinC loves to hang out here because Somerby only gives examples of mainstream press obscuring the truth. That could theoretically lead to the misperception on the part of his readers that right-wing media aren’t guilty of this as well.

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    3. I don't think it's because they "automatically disagree with anything Trump says or does".

      It seems clear that liberal-zombie establishment has decided that glorifying the riots ("protests", as they call them) is a politically expedient way to run this election campaign.

      This seems to be a high rick bet (if you believe in "silent majority"), but the liberal cult is all in now anyway.

      It's understandable. Liberal zombies normally don't vote in high numbers. They need to be stimulated, mostly by race- and gender-baiting. And in this election campaign the liberal cult goes to the extreme on that.

      Tsk. We'll see where it leads them; it'll be fun.

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    4. Or they may be stimulated to get someone in there who is minimally competent in handling a deadly health crisis.

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    5. If there are now two tribalized press corps, when do we get a liberal corps? The NY Times isn't liberal. It isn't even particularly tribal. It is capitalist and commercial. The Village Voice used to be liberal.

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  2. "Personally, we wouldn't describe the people using those lasers as "protesters.""

    Personally, we wouldn't describe any of the rioters on the streets of the US of A cities as "protesters", dear Bob.

    When people protest, they have political demands. "Stop the war" or "start a war", "ban abortions" or "don't ban abortions" or something.

    Crowds on the streets don't have any political demands. "Defund the police" is not a political demand. It's an equivalent of "fuck the police".

    And therefore, dear Bob, all those crowds on the streets - all of them, dear Bob - are rioters, not protesters.

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    1. OMG, dear Mao,

      You have outdone yourself this time. Yes, every protestor who fails to express a political demand is a rioter. And if they say "defund the police," that isn't what the mean, so they are rioters as well. I see it all so clearly now -- thanks to you. If only every nation could have a leader as beautifully powerful as our beloved president, with advisors as clear-sighted as you by his side.

      We live in hope only you can give us, Gao

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    2. Political analysis from St Petersburg, Mao ?

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  3. Somerby’s contention, that the mainstream press may not be reporting on the violent conduct on the part of protesters, seems to be disproven by citing an article in the mainstream press reporting on the violent conduct on the part of protesters.

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    1. Not only reporting it, but playing it up.

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  4. Somerby goes all demure here. He’s merely wondering about the press coverage.

    But he has already expressed his disdain for the protesters, calling them “our mobs”, in a post quoting Andrew Sullivan likening the protesters to the Taliban:

    “From Sullivan on to Wittgenstein!”
    (http://dailyhowler.blogspot.com/2020/06/from-sullivan-on-to-wittgenstein.html)

    And more than that, he expresses disdain for protesting as a tactic.

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  5. Violent enough for the Trump campaign to make beautiful, scary campaign ads that will send suburban women who don't want their streets to look and smell like Portland's stampeding to the polls.

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    1. You are selling suburban women short.

      Those suburban women are more scared that Trump's unmarked minivans are going to invade the suburbs and pick up their teens and hide them in detention centers that will ruin their college admission chances.

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    2. 55% of white women voted for Trump.

      Because they don't want their suburbs infested with lowlife anarchists and savages.

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    3. 'Violent enough for the Trump campaign to make beautiful, scary campaign ads'

      Dream on, Trumpanzee. Trump is losing the suburbs big in all the swing and even many red tinged states.

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    4. 'Because they don't want their suburbs infested with lowlife anarchists and savages.


      You mean like Trump cultists ? Sure. Trump tied the caravan schtick in 2018 and how did that work again ?

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    5. 55% of white women voted for Trump.

      Whites have been voting for Republicans since the passage of the Voting Rights Act of 1965.
      Most likely it's due to "economic anxiety" (i.e bigotry).

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  6. Biden is determined to take this country to the far left and put white Americans in death camps.

    You think I'm going to let a few hundred thousand unnecessary Covid deaths bother me?

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    1. No, just white Trump supporters will be put in camps. There is no point in putting a bunch of mask-wearers in a camp. They'll just have fun.

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    2. "You think I'm going to let a few hundred thousand unnecessary Covid deaths bother me?"

      Is it you, Andrew Mario's Son Cuomo?

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    3. Is that you, word Mao salad?

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  7. "our anti-Trump news orgs"

    Somerby tries very hard to link the mainstream media to the left, but I don't consider the New York Times to be a liberal publication, nor is CNN (some hosts on MSNBC do appear to be liberal-centrist, not progressive).

    If I wanted to know what it was like during protests in Seattle, I would read the main Seattle newspaper (The Seattle Times), not the NY Times, for details. I would also sample a variety of other sources.

    By watching more, I saw an interview with a news reporter who had been hit in the eye by a rubber bullet and was blinded, so I would know that the injury of non-combatant bystanders involved more than the police and random security guards. I would also have a better sense of the ratio between violent rioters and non-violent protesters. That matters because Trump has been trying to portray the majority of protesters as violent rioters. And I would know about the white supremacists who have been trying to instigate rioting and racial conflict by pretending to be antifa while doing damage and inciting violence. Quite of few of these folks have been arresting, most recently, Umbrella Man.

    I would know that there is a battle for the media being waged and that pictures, fake and real, are the way in which media seek to persuade viewers/readers of the rightness of each side of this cause.

    Trump has made violence a campaign issue, so sending his troops to incite violence is part of his campaign, so that he can then persuade supporters that only he can make the cities safe again, by getting tough with so-called protesters.

    The BLM and other protesters have repeatedly asked their followers to avoid violence because they know it is being used against them by Trump-sympathetic media and the right. That leaves non-protesters and alt-right agitators and the police and other troops to whip up the biggest clash they can, in order to portray protesters as a major problem.

    If Somerby is aware of any of this, it doesn't show in today's essay. He acts as if appearance were fact and his analysis is superficial. He ignores the fact that when you see different pictures on left-wing media, this is material that is being suppressed elsewhere. He acts as if that door only swings one way, suppression of protester violence, and not suppression of police violence, which is routine at most mainstream media.

    You aren't going to get both perspectives in the same place, as Somerby seems to crave. You go to different media for different perspectives. But I would trust the Seattle Times before the NY Times, because why on earth would out-of-towners understand the dynamics of someplace like Seattle?

    I wonder if Somerby even knows that outside Seattle city limits, the Alt Right has a concentration of white supremacists with a national presence, engaged in their own battle, that is almost never covered by anyone except David Neiwert? They are in Portland too, because this is what the suburbs and rural areas are like in the Northwest. Does Somerby think they have been sitting at home during the protests, or might some of them been purchasing commercial grade fireworks?

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    1. Radio Ink: How is it being covered locally?
      Rantz: Locally, radio and TV covered it well, highlighting the destruction and how out of control it got. The Seattle Times, however, was embarrassing in their coverage. They downplayed the violence significantly, they implied police were to blame, and took 14 paragraphs before they even got to the arson, and 18 paragraphs before they got to the munition attack.


      https://radioink.com/2020/07/29/whats-really-going-on-in-seattle/

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    2. Who wouldn't love the Seattle Times for breaking norms, by reporting seriously, not literally?

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    3. @5:15 Fuck you, asshole.

      Radio Ink: We’re not really hearing much about what’s going on in the national news?
      Rantz: Nationally, the only meaningful and honest coverage I’ve seen consistently is from FOX News. I’ve been on Tucker Carlson Tonight, FOX News at Night, Neil Cavuto Coast to Coast, and the Daily Briefing for weeks covering what’s happening and why. MSNBC and CNN have leaned on Mayor Jenny Durkan as a guest, who is trying to turn this into a Seattle vs Trump issue. It’s not. We had three riots in one week. That is out of control and it has nothing to do with Trump.

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  8. One question answered yesterday. Turns out Bill Barr didn't think there was a case of obstruction of justice by Trump in the Mueller Report, because he didn't read it.

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  9. What Somerby, like the lying, malevolent Trumptard that he is doesn't mention is that the Reuters story also mentions the distinction between protesters in the daytime, and rioters who come out at night, many of whom the protesters object to.

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    1. There is no distinction and no objection on the part of "protesters" who aren't also rioters.

      The media and you say there is because you know it's going to kill you in the election.

      It's unclear why in the age of the internet you think everyone doesn't see the unhinged hate, rage, and stupidity that define all segments of the left, and have since Trump defeated your corrupt harridan of a candidate.

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    2. @7:44 - driveby troll burp from drinking the kool-aid.

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  10. Anon 3:58 PM said: The BLM and other protesters have repeatedly asked their followers to avoid violence...

    Not in Portland. The local BLM chapter has been silent on whether or not it approves of violence by the protesters. Did you know that they sell t-shirts saying silence equals complicity?

    Not one of Portland’s elected officials has had the courage to explicitly tell the protesters not to attack the building or the cops.

    This person is the de facto Mayor of the city of Portland. President (appointed by her mom who started the group) of Don't Shoot Portland openly repudiating MLK’s legacy.:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3GqYLs03KU

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    1. Your concern is duly noted.

      There is no official Portland BLM chapter. Protestors have demanded there be no violence.

      The violent acts on both sides have been reported, those attacking the police/federal agents may be protestors, they may be Proud Boys. Portland has a long history of violent protest, mostly for white concerns, the Bush sr admin called it "Little Beirut".

      Portland is 6% black. Since Trump was elected blacks account for 30% of Portland's police shootings.

      That person is not the de facto mayor, she works in pr and likely had a self serving outburst of no consequence. The actual mayor is flushing tear gas out of his eyes.

      The legacy of using desperate people as pawns to incite racial violence in order to manipulate the public pressure on racist policies?

      MLK jr is fine with me, but don't get it twisted.

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    2. First off, thoughts and prayers to all the buildings that were "attacked" in Portland.

      Only the tribal and those who want to politicize these attacks want to discuss this so soon after it happened.

      I'll be here. next year, Gloucon X, if you want to bring it up then.

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    4. There have been 5 blacks killed by police since 2010 and they were all armed. One had just shot two people in downtown and was running towards cops with gun in hand when he was shot by police. Another was a carjacker armed robber. There were also 11 whites killed over the same period. Data suggests that when the types of incidents are compared (armed, and incidents where suspects are not responding as directed) whites are killed no less often than blacks. One-third of blacks in Portland live below the poverty line. Sadly, poorer people are more likely to get desperate and commit armed crimes that draw the attention of cops.

      But OK, let's attack buildings where cops work and set them on fire, throw stuff at cops, etc., and maybe then all these random events involving armed and desperate people will have better outcomes. The experts on my team seem to think attacking cops and burning buildings will rally the American people to abolish police forces. It's worth a try, I guess.

      Anon 9:06 AM said: There is no official Portland BLM

      chapter.https://blackpdx.com/destination/portland/black-lives-matter-pdx/
      https://www.facebook.com/blacklivesmatterpdx/

      By the way, there are 108,000 black cops in the USA. In Atlanta, where I used to live, the PD is 58% black. 13 blacks have been killed there by cops there since 2013, but only one white. That seems pretty disproportionate. Should I tell my friends there to start burning the police buildings too? I just want to do what knowledgeable people (experts like you) think will produce the desired outcome of no blacks ever killed by cops.

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    5. @9:06 wrote: Since Trump was elected blacks account for 30% of Portland's police shootings.

      Are you saying that Donald Trump is somehow responsible for shootings by city of Portland police?

      @9:06 seems to be applying the principle:

      Everything bad is Trump's fault. Nothing good is to Trump's credit.

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    6. Trump isn't given enough credit for being elected President by people turned-on by his bigotry.

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    7. "Everything bad is Trump's fault. Nothing good is to Trump's credit."

      Is this a Mitch McConnell quote to Senate Republicans during Trump's inauguration?

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    8. Yes, Trump has spurred racial violence, yes he is responsible.

      Data suggests blacks are victimized by cops by a significant amount, suggests institutional racism is a problem. Obama tried decrees but they have not proven as effective as protest.

      There is no official BLM chapter in Portland.

      https://blacklivesmatter.com/chapters/

      We do not know who attacked the federal agents or the building. BLM protests are effective in producing their intended goals, they do not condone violence.

      Atlanta has decreased the size of it's police force over the decade, crime has dropped over that same time.

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    From the bottom of my heart, I can never thank you enough DR.BALBOSA for the wonderful work you did for me and my kids to bring back my husband. Am stella Andre from England. I was having serious relationship problems with my husband and he was no longer committed to me and our kids, when i asked him what the problem was he told me he has fell out of love for me and wanted a divorce and  i was so heart broken, i cried all day and night, it had resulted in him moving out to his friend’s apartment. Everything got worse because he started going to bars and strip clubs frequently with his friend, getting drunk and passing out. He always threatens me on the phone whenever I call him because of all the bad advice that his friend has given him. I really love him and we had been married for 8 years which gave us a beautiful daughter and a son. I had also lost a lot of money on therapists until I was introduced to DR. BALBOSA by a friend whom he helped to marry her childhood boyfriend, this gave me total confidence and strength to get him back. I did all that DR. BALBOSA asked me to do it and I also followed all instructions given to me by DR. BALBOSA to my greatest surprise after 48 hours my husband called me and rushed back home with a brown new car for me and our kids... things just changed between us emotionally, I was the happiest woman on earth that day. my husband now has a good job and stopped drinking and he stopped keeping irrelevant friends. It’s a miracle I never believed was possible because I had lost all hope until I found DR. BALBOSA...contact him today and get your love back i can assure you .... contact him on his Email on: balbosasolutionhome@gmail.com and CALL/ WHATSAPP: +2347048047728...BYE... 

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