BREAKING! The Crazy has finally come for us!

SATURDAY, APRIL 24, 2021

Our Town expiates its guilt: Nicholas Bogel-Burroughs of the New York Times is basically just a kid—a cub reporter. 

He's completing his second year out of college (Cornell, class of 2019). He may not know any better.

He may not even have written the copy we're going to show you. Who knows? It may have come from some editor. 

At any rate, Bogel-Burroughs was listed as the writer of a major report in print editions of yesterday's New York Times. The youngster is the reporter of record. As such, the striking deception found in this copy tracks to his name alone:

BOGEL-BURROUGHS (4/23/21): On Thursday, the Rev. Al Sharpton delivered the eulogy for Mr. Wright to a grieving family and city. He said he was told that Minneapolis had not seen a funeral procession so large since Prince, the musician who was born and raised in Minneapolis, had died in 2016.

“Well, we came to bury the prince of Brooklyn Center,” Mr. Sharpton said, standing before a white coffin that was covered in red roses. “We come from all over the country because you hurt one of our princes.”“You thought he was just some kid with an air freshener,” Mr. Sharpton said. “He was a prince, and all of Minneapolis has stopped today to honor the prince of Brooklyn Center.”

Mr. Wright was killed during a traffic stop for an expired registration, during which a police officer also noted the air freshener hanging from his rearview mirror as an additional violation. His death, during the Chauvin trial, set off a wave of protests in Brooklyn Center that lasted for more than a week.

“You thought he was just some kid with an air freshener,” Mr. Sharpton said. “He was a prince, and all of Minneapolis has stopped today to honor the prince of Brooklyn Center.”

We've long been fans of Sharpton. He's smarter than the average bear. Beyond that, he has a superlative sense of humor. We've seen him use it, for many years and in various settings, in humane and helpful ways.

That said, Sharpton also seems to be conning us rubes in the current circumstance. Consider:

The underlined passages in Bogel-Burroughs' copy constitute a serious act of deception. This deception plays an obvious role in the rapidly disintegrating world which pervades the streets of Our Town.

The late Daunte Wright was still very young—and young people make lots of mistakes. The same excuse from youth can be extended to Bogel-Burroughs, but his editors, assuming that any such people exist,  seem to have made a choice:

In what way is that copy deceptive? Townie, please!

On the day he was shot and killed, Daunte Wright wasn't being arrested for an expired registration and misplaced air fresheners. He was being arrested on the basis of an outstanding warrant for serious alleged criminal conduct. 

The warrant had been issued because Wright had failed to appear for a scheduled court date. Young people makes lots of mistakes, but the back-story isn't attractive.

Real news orgs have reported these elementary facts, if perhaps a bit apologetically. We'll offer some links below. 

The New York Times still refuses to tell you what happened that day, and before. This refusal should be shocking, but let's be honest—it isn't.. 

In a rational world, it would be shocking to see an institution like the Times behave in such an egregious way. But that would be in a rational world. 

In our world, the New York Times has long behaved as what it is—a very dumb upper-class newspaper which lost its way long ago.

You really can't believe the things you read in the New York Times. We plan to discuss these matters next week, though the overall breakdown is so vast within the news org of Our Town that it will be hard to do the current topic justice.

The current topic would be this:

Our Town's "elites" have almost completely lost their way as they seek to expiate their guilt concerning matters of race. 

For the record, their guilt is extremely well earned. To help you understand that fact, we direct you to a recent report in the pages of New York magazine.

The recent non-report report concerns, or rather fails to concern, the current state of the New York City Public Schools. The report was written by Clare Malone, who seems bereft of any knowledge about any such low-income schools.

A sensible person won't blame Malone for the things she doesn't know. Someone assigned her to write this report about the New York City Public Schools—more specifically, about Richard Carranza, the school system's outgoing superintendent.

Almost surely, the person who gave Malone that assignment  also doesn't know squadoosh about low-income schools. Simply put, our elites don't care about low-income schools, or about the millions of good, decent kids who attend them every day.

Our "elites" don't care—and it shows.

Malone is older than Bogel-Burroughs. She's eleven years out of college (Georgetown, class of 2009). 

That said, she's only been at New York magazine for a matter of months.  We see nothing in her previous work—most recently, at 538; before that, at The American Prospect—to suggest that she has ever written about low-income schools, or about public schools at all.

She has no background in the area. In her recent report, it shows. 

If you care about black kids, you'll find that fact annoying. That said, there's a very good chance that you don't.

In her report, Malone repeats the standard claim that the New York City Public Schools  "is among the country’s most segregated educational systems."

As evidence, she links to a prior report in New York magazine in which that (familiar) claim is never made. 

In fairness to Malone, she's read that pleasing claim a thousand times in the New York Times. She doesn't know what a hall of mirrors she'll be heading down if she clicks on that newspaper's links, trying to learn what that claim even means or whether the claim is accurate.

Malone is churning standard copy when she makes that familiar claim. We'resorry, but it's the kind of claim the Times likes to make to hide the fact that they don't actually care.

That said, the truly egregious passage in Malone's report is the passage shown below. Dulce et decorum est, as the horrified poet once said:

MALONE (4/13/21): Carranza, charming and idealistic, was hired with the explicit agenda to make the schools more integrated and to fix the racial achievement gap. His supporters hailed him as an “equity warrior.” He grew up speaking Spanish in a working-class Mexican American household in Tucson and understood that schools could reproduce inequality as easily as they could provide opportunity...

Carranza was hired "to fix the racial achievement gap?" It isn't Malone's fault that she was assigned to write about this topic. But it's hard to imagine that any writer could ever create a statement that's dumber than that.

Malone knows nothing about the size of those achievement gaps. She knows nothing about this important matter because, at the New York Times, they've long agreed that Our Town must never be asked to think about so unpleasant a topic.

The New York Times refuses to discuss the size of those gaps. That too is one of the ways the Times attempts to expiate or assuage its well-earned guilt. 

But this is ugly, evil work, in which children are sent, through this massive act of group silence, to the region below the bus. On the other hand, it's just a bunch of "black" kids, so who really cares about them?

More than fifty years ago Jonathan Kozol wrote this at the start of a high-profile book:

KOZOL (page 1): Stephen is eight years old. A picture of him standing in front of the bulletin board on Arab bedouins shows a little light-brown person staring with unusual concentration at a chosen spot upon the floor. Stephen is tiny, desperate, unwell. Sometimes he talks to himself. He moves his mouth as if he were talking. At other times he laughs out loud in class for no apparent reason. He is also an indescribably mild and unmalicious child. He cannot do any of his school work very well. His math and reading are poor. In Third Grade he was in a class that had substitute teachers much of the year. Most of the year before that, he had a row of substitute teachers too. He is in the Fourth Grade now but his work is barely at the level of the Second. Nobody has complained about the things that have happened to Stephen because he does not have any mother or father.

So Kozol began. Stephen, who was eight years old, was already two years behind. More than fifty years later, it's still clear that no one among the elites in Our Town actually seems to care.

That includes our "civil rights leaders," but it surely includes the New York Times, which seeks to expiate its guilt 1) by refusing to tell you why Daunte Wright was being arrested; 2) by refusing to discuss the size and the meaning of those racial achievement gaps; and 3) by offering amazingly mindless reports like this recent confessional groaner (headline included):

HARTOCOLLIS (4/18/21): After a Year of Turmoil, Elite Universities Welcome More Diverse Freshman Classes

[...]

Whether college admissions have changed for the long haul remains unclear. But early data suggests that many elite universities have admitted a higher proportion of traditionally underrepresented students this year—Black, Hispanic and those who were from lower-income communities or were the first generation in their families to go to college, or some combination—than ever before.

The gains seem to reflect a moment of national racial and social awareness not seen since the late 1960s that motivated universities to put a premium on diversity and that prodded students to expand their horizons on possible college experiences.

Yay yay yay yay yay yay yay! Based on (extremely) early data, it looks like more black kids will be going to Harvard and Yale! 

(How exciting is the early apparent progress? "At N.Y.U., this year’s admitted class is about 29 percent Black or Hispanic students, up from 27 percent last year." So it says in the Times!)

As for the 99% of urban low-income kids who won't be going to Harvard or Yale, those kids don't get discussed in the Times. Their needs and their interests get thrown directly under the bus. 

We've told you this a million times. The New York Times only cares about low-income kids who may be joining the one percent. We've told you this a million times, and the Times keep churning it out.

When Malone (and her editor) read the Times, they may not realize that they aren't being told about the vast majority of kids in the New York City Public Schools—about all the kids in Gotham's schools who won't be going to Stuyvesant High, then moving on to Yale.

Malone may not realize that she isn't being told about the size of those achievement gaps. And no! No superintendent is going to arrive on the scene armed with some way to "fix them."

Malone was writing from groaning ignorance, an ignorance she surely share with the editor who assigned her to write that report and then reviewed her copy.  But the truth behind this is very important:

Our Town's journalistic elites don't care about the nation's black kids and they never have. To expiate the well-earned guilt they creeps in on their way to the Hamptons, they refuse to tell us the truth about the attempted arrest of Wright, and they try to throw a bunch of Others in jail.

In our view, that passage in Bogel-Burroughs' report points to a remarkable fact. In matters concerning Our Town's racial guilt, The Crazy has finally found us:

Our journalistic elites have now reached Trumpian proportions in their willingness to deny basic facts and basic reality. 

It's amazing to see how crazy The Others have become in recent years. But in that remarkable passage by Bogel-Burroughs, a truly remarkable fact has emerged:

The Crazy has finally come for us! More on this topic next week.

Concerning that warrant: Various news orgs have reported the nature of that warrant. The New York Times remains a refusenik.

For a report by ABC News, you can just click here. For a report by USA Today, you can just click this.

The Times is sticking with the fresheners. Along with the attempt to claim that no black kid has ever made a mistake, this helps create a cartoonized portrait of the class of people the Times wants to send to jail. 


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  2. The supposed plan is to reduce the deaths of Blacks by cops by half so that they’re in proportion with their population. There’s been no proposal that would accomplish this. Calls to 911 reporting violent and dangerous crimes will continue to be answered by cops under any defund plan. And of course, there’s no talk of reducing the Black violent crime rate and murder rate by 5 to 8 times so that is in proportion their population so Blacks won’t have call 911 out of proportion with their population. The astoundingly high Black violent crime rate has been erased from the billionaire-led mass media script along with non-Black majority of cop killings.

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    1. " Calls to 911 reporting violent and dangerous crimes will continue to be answered by cops under any defund plan. "

      I'm okay with that, as long as they aren't answering calls about anything else.
      We don't need these roid ragers and their weapons dealing with citizens who need support.

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    2. Almost none of the famous cases would fall into the anything else category.

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    3. The billionaire-led mass media is broken. They still uses the "brave first responders" narrative, FFS.

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    4. Glaucon X,
      Ahhh. The violent crime of hanging air fresheners on rear-view mirrors.

      Try to put some effort into it. You're beginning to make Mao look like a go-getter.

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    5. If you eliminate all of the racially motivated and abuse of power shootings, then the result should be similar to that for whites and proportionate to the black portion of the population. You only need to eliminate whatever is biasing the statistics.

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  3. tl;dr
    "We've long been fans of Sharpton."

    A little weakness for professional liberal demagogues, dear Bob, eh?

    This explains a lot. But then, why are you so unhappy about professional goebbelsian dembots all the time? There's no daylight between Mr Sharpton and any of those Bogels/Malones, the younger generation dembots.

    Tsk. Oh well.

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  4. Here is a later paragraph from Bogel-Burroughs’ story:

    “Kimberly Potter, the white officer who shot Mr. Wright, resigned from the Police Department and was charged with second-degree manslaughter. The authorities have said that she thought she was using her Taser when she shot a bullet into Mr. Wright’s chest, and body camera video showed that she shouted “Taser” several times before firing her gun. Mr. Wright had pulled away from police officers and gotten back into his car after they tried to arrest him on a warrant for missing a court appearance regarding a misdemeanor gun charge.

    Somerby is an ass.

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    1. Wright's public defender claims that neither he nor Wright was informed about the zoom court appearance.

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  5. Democrats didn't steal the election, but even if they had, why would that be more important than white on white violent crime?

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  6. Somerby doesn’t link to the Malone article.

    Somerby is an ass.

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    1. "Malone knows nothing about the size of those achievement gaps. "

      Somerby has no way of knowing what Malone does and does not know about the size of racial achievement gaps. He has no reason to assume that this is the first time she has considered an education issue in her professional life.

      For all Somerby knows, she may have written a thesis on it in college. She may even have majored in education. She may have worked as a teacher or teacher's aide at some point before becoming a journalist. She may have relatives who talk about the racial achievement gap over dinner.

      Somerby has no basis for saying these kinds of things about the journalists he wishes to malign.

      Yes, Somerby is a giant ass.

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  7. Somerby said: “The New York Times refuses to discuss the size of those gaps.”

    And then he has the nerve to quote Kozol, from fifty years ago.

    Earth to Somerby: Kozol is alive and well, and had this to say about test scores:

    “Resist the tendency to cut students off, do everything you can to let them hear their voices, and never let them define their worth by their test scores.” 
    https://today.duke.edu/2017/10/kozol-decries-persistent-educational-inequalities-failed-reforms-and-growing-school

    He also said this, quoted in the above article:

    “Even in districts that are already segregated, charter schools are even more deeply segregated. We call that hyper-segregation.”

    He also said:

    “In terms of elemental racial justice in the public schools," he said, at an Askwith Forum held at Cambridge's First Church in October, "we stand today at one of the most dangerous and reactionary moments in our nation's history. The segregation of black and Latino children has returned to public education with a vengeance."
    https://www.gse.harvard.edu/news/05/12/shame-nation

    He has written a book, published in 2005, titled:

    “The Shame of the Nation: The Restoration of Apartheid Schooling in America”

    At his personal website, he describes himself thus:

    “Jonathan remains one of the nation’s most eloquent and outspoken advocates for equality and racial justice in our nation’s schools.”
    https://www.jonathankozol.com/

    Somerby needs to quit arrogating the words of others to further his own world view.

    Somerby is an ass.

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  8. “Yay yay yay yay yay yay yay! Based on (extremely) early data, it looks like more black kids will be going to Harvard and Yale!”

    Based upon statements like this, it seems Somerby doesn’t care that more black kids will be going to Harvard and Yale.

    It isn’t difficult to figure out why this is actually important.

    Somerby is an ass.

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    1. 'Somerby doesn’t care that more black kids will be going to Harvard and Yale.'

      Of course not. Somerby only cares about black kids to the extent that he wants to make sure they can be killed with impunity and their killers can be let go. What a scumbag.

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    2. It is unclear why Somerby calls this "extremely early" when this is the normal time for students to find out whether they've been accepted to college or not.

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    3. 'It is unclear why Somerby calls this "extremely early"'

      It's very clear why Somerby calls it early data. He wants to throw shade on the data because he wants to attack the NYT, so he refers to it was "extremely early". Demonstrates once again that he is a liar.

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  9. And speaking of Somerby’s source for police shooting statistics, he can thank the Washington Post, prominent member of the hated mainstream media, for providing this service to the public, when such statistics have never been federally mandated.

    The fatal force database isn’t maintained by the Wall Street Journal, or Fox News.

    Thanks, Washington Post.

    Also, thanks to the Post for their diligence in reporting on the Peyton Ham story and the Bijan Ghaisar story.

    Thanks, Washington Post.

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    1. mh, if the police had not been involved and Ma’Khia Bryant had successfully stabbed that girl to death, would the WP have reported one word about it? Would anyone in the media be talking about it?

      Ham we heard about via one source. Would we have heard at all about Ham or Ghaisar if they had killed someone or if they been killed by anyone but the police?

      Get some perspective.

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    2. Since you don't know what was going on, it could also have been that Ma'Khia was brandishing the knife in self-defense against the other girls, to keep them from beating her up, for example.

      Local papers report deaths whether the police commit them or someone else. These deaths go national when they involve police abuse of power because there is a movement to reduce police malfeasance.

      There is no reason why local deaths should all be national events otherwise. For example, covid obituaries remain local events reported in the community where the people lived. Pedestrian hit-and-run deaths remain local events. Domestic violence deaths remain local events.

      Both you and Somerby seem to be unaware of how newspapers work. Personally, I think your ignorance is motivated stupidity aimed at discrediting the movement to hold police accountable for the people they kill without justification.

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    3. Does it really make sense for you to decry the societal costs of racism upon the daily lives of minority members and then to consign events that are indicative of those issues to penetrating obituaries and above the fold local newspapers?

      You might just might be a media executive.

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    4. PsuedoRoach Eve, media execs might not be great at product placement, but at least they don't think that placing a knee on someone's neck is like offering a peanut sandwich. Or assume that other Americans think that way too. Very confused thought processes among psuedonyroach Eve

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    5. Media executives do have the ability to think abstractly, Anonymouse 7:08pm.

      They would understand that the concept of intentionally in relation to causing someone’s death was being discussed and what peanut sandwich represented as what some analysts were arguing,

      Don’t tax yourself with this. Get it out of your purdy little head.

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    6. Speaking of intentional. It's no accident Republican legislation is making it harder for black people to vote.
      Hmmm. It's almost like Republicans don't think blacks should have representation in this country, and are fine if blacks are shot by cops for no reason. Without the "It's almost like" part of that sentence, of course.

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    7. Anyone who isn't racist, or isn't perfectly fine with racism, left the Republican party more than two decades ago.

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    8. All mythology aside, Anonymices, you know as well as I know that without that cop, those girls could have killed each other down to none of them left alive, and the most interest these black lives would have garnered is a couple of virtue tweets from Jake Tapper.

      THAT is the point that Somerby has continuously made.

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    9. This exaggerated belief in and fear of black violence is what racism looks like. How many 16 year old girls go around killing each other? How many times has that been in the news? Right, almost never. But Cecelia thinks it is likely without the cop coming and shooting one of the girls.

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    10. Here is the only other female killing I could find using Google, from 1976:

      "Latasha Harlins (January 1, 1976 – March 16, 1991) was a 15-year-old African-American girl who was murdered by Soon Ja Du (Hangul:두순자), a 51-year-old Korean American convenience store-owner. Du was tried and convicted of voluntary manslaughter in Harlins' death. The judge sentenced Du to 10 years in state prison but the sentence was suspended and the defendant was instead placed on five years probation with 400 hours of community service, a $500 restitution, and funeral expenses.[1] The killing of Latasha Harlins, recorded on security footage, and the sentencing and failed appeal[2] of what was widely regarded as a light sentence, are considered to have contributed to the 1992 Los Angeles riots, especially the targeting of Koreatown, Los Angeles.[3] Harlins' death came 13 days after the videotaped beating of Rodney King."

      This is a 15 year old girl who was shot by a convenience store owner, a 51-year old woman. Beyond that, there were no stories of girls killing other girls, with knives or otherwise.

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    11. Correction: 1991 not 1976

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    12. There you go again, Anonymices, determined to ignore the point and to call everyone racist who differs with you.

      There was a melee going on based upon the 911 call. As far as I know only one person wielded a knife. My point is that it coiuld have been a mass slaughter and the media would have yawned without the narrative- pleasing addition of a police shooting.

      So would all of you.

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    13. 11:20,
      Do the cops buy lunch for the perp in your hypothetical?

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  10. “the class of people the Times wants to send to jail.”

    I’m beginning to think it isn’t class that worries Somerby. He apparently never wants conservative white people to go to jail: Trump, Manafort, Stone, Chauvin...

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    1. Certainly, being a malignant (but pathetic) Trumptard, SOmerby doesn't want other Trumptards to go to jail.

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  11. "On the day he was shot and killed, Daunte Wright wasn't being arrested for an expired registration and misplaced air fresheners. He was being arrested on the basis of an outstanding warrant for serious alleged criminal conduct. "

    Here Somerby engages in some deception of his own. Bogel Burroughs never says that Wright was ARRESTED because of the expired registration or air freshener. Bogel-Burroughs says he was stopped because of the expired tag and that the air freshener was noted after he was stopped.

    That is entirely accurate information. Somerby is wrong to switch this from a stop to an arrest (which was done on the basis of the misdemeanor warrant).

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    1. Somerby alludes to "serious alleged criminal conduct". That is no doubt on the basis of the story about trying to rob a woman (who herself said she thought he was kidding). That they didn't charge Wright with robbery but only a gun charge suggests they didn't have evidence. But that doesn't stop Somerby from hinting that Wright was a major serious criminal. Does Somerby imagine that this change in his status would justify shooting him? I am very tired of these attempts to smear the victims in these shootings where the officer has made a mistake (or worse). Potter resigned because she pulled her gun instead of a taser. Wright's "serious crime" has nothing to do with that and he shouldn't be dead.

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  12. 'Our Town's journalistic elites don't care about the nation's black kids and they never have'

    Well, whether they care or not, at least unlike you, they don't seem to think their deaths should be waved away casually.

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  13. 'The New York Times only cares about low-income kids who may be joining the one percent. We've told you this a million times, and the Times keep churning it out.'

    So you've lied a million times, as is expected of a hardcore malignant Trumptard.

    1) Firstly, it is very important that some kids at least are able to break out of this cycle. its very important for their families, it sets good role models

    2) The NYT has covered racial achievement gaps in education several times. Somerby ignores that because he is a lying Trumptard.

    Somerby's main problem with the NYT seems to be that
    a) They aren't lying Trumptards like him
    b) They don't worship Trump and defend Roy Moore, Ron Johnson, Devin Nunes and Matt Gaetz the way he does
    c) They seem to highlight positive stories like minority kids getting into elite schools. Somerby seems to hate it because he realizes this could give us more Obamas, and like all Trumptards he objects to that.



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  14. The % of black students admitted to top universities should be increasing because such schools are abandoning the use of tests like the SAT and ACT, which have been shown to have little predictive value, especially with respect to minority students.

    This is a good thing but Somerby manages to make it sound ugly and dirty because of the adjectives he surrounds this news with today.

    The NY Times has been running an article this week about how neuroscientists are studying the effects of poverty on the developing brain. This should be of great interest to Somerby, but he hasn't mentioned it. By his logic that would indicate he doesn't give a damn about black kids, who are more likely to grow up in poverty.

    Malone worked at 538, a website devoted to statistical analysis. She should be able to understand and interpret test scores in education and understand about gaps. Why does Somerby think this is rocket science?

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    1. @5:52 - you have been misinformed. Black students admitted via affirmative action do poorly, on average. Over half of them don't graduate. Very few successfully major in STEM fields, even though they would be capable of majoring in STEM at colleges appropriate to their academic level.

      A second problem is the general watering down. E.g., see Virginia moving to eliminate all accelerated math courses before 11th grade as part of equity-focused plan
      https://www.foxnews.com/us/virginia-accelerated-math-courses-equity

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    2. David, you are spouting racist nonsense and don't know what you are talking about.

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    3. https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-12-22/grades-vs-sat-scores-which-is-a-better-predictor-of-college-success#:~:text=%E2%80%9CThe%20SAT%20score%20does%20not,%2C%20you%20can%20do%20it.%E2%80%9D&text=Top%20students%20at%20UC%20Riverside,scores%20weren't%20far%20behind.

      "“The SAT score does not reflect your future possible success in college,” she said. “If you want it, you can do it.” Top students at UC Riverside came in with high GPAs and high test scores. But those who were admitted with equally high grades and lower test scores weren't far behind."

      https://www.forbes.com/sites/nickmorrison/2020/01/29/its-gpas-not-standardized-tests-that-predict-college-success/?sh=3647cacc32bd

      "Grade point averages are a much better predictor of success at college than standardized tests, according to new research.

      High school GPAs were found to be five times stronger than ACT scores at predicting graduation rates, and that the effect of GPAs was consistent across schools, unlike ACT scores."

      https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016/01/26/new-research-suggests-sat-under-or-overpredicts-first-year-grades-hundreds-thousands

      "In looking at scores, by gender, on the mathematics portion of the SAT, he found that at 16 percent of colleges, the predictions were inaccurate for either male or female students at those colleges. He said that there wasn't a clear pattern -- sometimes female applicants are being hurt with predictions that they won't do as well as they will. Other times it is the opposite. That would be about 80,000 people in the sample.

      Similarly, when comparing scores for white and Latino students on the mathematics section, he found a lack of predictive accuracy at 19 percent of colleges. This gap affected about 65,000 people. (The number of students affected by findings varies based on the size of the colleges where the researchers identified problems.)

      And when the researchers looked at the critical-reading section of the SAT and compared black and white applicants' scores, they found that the predictions didn't work at about 20 percent of colleges, again affecting about 65,000 people."

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    4. "Very few successfully major in STEM fields, even though they would be capable of majoring in STEM at colleges appropriate to their academic level."

      We believe it's exactly the same story with law studies.

      Underqualified "racial identity" students fail in prestigious schools, whereas at least some of them would likely succeed in an average school. Typical liberal sabotage.

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    5. Minority students don't enter STEM fields because they are more interested in understanding and helping their communities. You find them in sociology, education, health care, and ethnic studies, the arts, and other social science and humanities. With Mao and David's attitudes, there is no point in deliberately seeking a career in a field where you will be judged incompetent until proven otherwise and where no doors are open to you. They are avoiding STEM for the same reasons women avoid STEM. They are not wanted there.

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    6. @9:36 -- Your comment is backwards. First of all, I WANT to see blacks succeed in STEM. That's why I'm critical of process that discourages blacks from entering the field. There is a big, special effort to recruit blacks into my own field of actuarial science. This effort comes from the insurance companies and from our professional society.

      Your comment would have been true a few decades ago, when women and people of color weren't wanted. Since the reversal, huge numbers of women and Asians passed their exams, but only a few blacks have done so.

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    7. Corby - you are quoting people who are trying to deny reality.

      1. Bob has presented the figures here. ON AVERAGE Asians are 1 year ahead of whites and ON AVERAGE whites are 3 to 4 years ahead of blacks.

      2. GPA may be a better predictor than SATs for students at comparable high schools. However, a high GPA at a predominant black high school don't mean the same thing as a high GPA at a predominantly Asian high school.

      3. Denying the real problem encourages people to incorrectly blame racism. Since racism is not the main problem, fighting racism doesn't produce a real solution.

      4. The lack of a real solution encourages methods that hide reality, such as social promotion in el-hi schools and less demanding black studies classes in colleges.

      5. Your idea that anyone who sees things differently from you is a racist could also be viewed as a way to hide reality.

      6. Hiding reality is a why Bob says that major institutions don't really care about ordinary black kids

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    8. No, David, I am quoting from studies.

      There is no point in using NAEP scores to talk about those applying to college. They are not average students to begin with. The measures used (GPA vs SAT scores) are being compared with actual performance during college. When it says the SAT doesn't predict well, it means that the correlation between those scores and later college performance is lower. The quality of the high school is not determining this. Minority students do better in college than their SAT scores would suggest, and their grades are a better predictor. The worse their high school, the higher their grades will be, because these are the top performers from those schools. Their grades in college tend to be high too, or the correlations between grades and later performance would not be a better predictor.

      I am dealing with evidence -- the evidence does not support your beliefs. THAT is the basis for calling this racist, not my own preferred ideas. It is unfair to these high performing minority kids to consider them unable to compete when their college grades show that you are wrong. The colleges are abandoning the SAT/ACT because they give a wrong picture of the abilities of minority kids and disadvantage them in the selection process -- relative to their proven performance in college level classes.

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    9. "Your comment would have been true a few decades ago, when women and people of color weren't wanted. "

      Google Gamergate and then tell me women are wanted in STEM fields. Look at the problems women in tech face. Women are too smart to enter that minefield. Men need to clean up their act, if women are truly wanted in STEM.

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    10. David, how exactly are your comments about black students here going to increase their participation in STEM disciplines?

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    11. "3. Denying the real problem encourages people to incorrectly blame racism."

      Meh. 'Encouragement' presupposes agency. But the dembots simply parrot back their cult's talking points. That's what they do, and that's all they can do. They wouldn't know encouragement if it hit them in the face.

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    12. Mao,
      Save your typing. We already know what the establishment thinks.

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