WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 11, 2024
Plus, a gloomy assessment from Edsall: We'll start with the gloomy assessment by Edsall, which appears in the New York Times.
Edsall is assessing the state of the Democratic Party in the wake of November's election. We're sorry to say that he and his sources see the apparent state of play in some of the same ways we do.
As usual, Edsall has spoken to quite a few sources. Here's how his assessment begins:
Democrats Don’t Have an Easy Way Out
The weakened condition of the Democratic Party leaves it ill prepared to defend itself against a Republican Party determined to eviscerate liberalism and the left.
Evidence of the fraught state of the party can be found everywhere...
Ken Martin, the chairman of the Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party and a leading candidate to become chairman of the Democratic National Committee, acknowledged this erosion of political clout in a memo to party leaders:
"For the first time in modern history, the perception that Americans have of the two major political parties switched. The majority of Americans now believes that the Republican Party best represents the interests of the working class and the poor, and that the Democratic Party is the party of the wealthy and the elites. It’s a damning indictment on our party brand."
Polling suggests that Trump is ideologically closer to the median voter than Kamala Harris. Third Way, a centrist Democratic think tank, conducted a post-election survey asking voters to place themselves, Harris and Trump on a scale ranging from zero (very liberal) to 10 (very conservative). The mean response for Harris was 2.45, for Trump 7.78 and for all voters 5.63.
Matthew Dallek, a political historian at George Washington University, voiced serious doubts by email about the ability of the Democratic Party to compete successfully with the Republican Party.
"A party whose base consists of culturally liberal, largely well-educated white Americans and a shrinking share of voters of color is almost by definition going to find it impossible to defend American democracy. Every Democratic president from Franklin Roosevelt to Joe Biden won the White House by voicing the fears and defending the interests of the working and middle classes. Democrats cannot credibly claim to represent the ideals of American democracy and peel support away from Trump’s anti-elite, populist G.O.P. without reimagining what it stands for and who is in its coalition.
"The Democratic Party is perhaps more rudderless than at any time since Bill Clinton’s presidency. Its leadership is aging. The party seems culturally out of touch to many Americans. Its brand is associated with championing niche interests, and the party—despite some crucial electoral victories—has ultimately failed its overarching mission since 2015 of defeating and defanging the MAGA movement."
In addition, Dallek went on to say, the centrality of anti-establishment themes in the MAGA movement makes opposition to it all the more difficult.
"The Democratic Party faces a heavy burden: it has to defend democratic institutions in a time when these institutions are reviled by a large majority of the American electorate. Its message to the public that it is a bulwark of democracy failed to resonate with voters in November. In order to defend democracy, then, it must find ways to appeal to a majority of the American people on the bread-and-butter issues foremost in people’s lives."
The essay becomes even gloomier as it continues, and it continues at length. That said:
Concerning the Democratic Party's "culturally liberal, largely well-educated" base, consider a peculiar choice of words Alex Wagner made last night.
Wagner is a good, decent person. She spoke on her MSNBC program, Alex Wagner Tonight. Midway through the hour-long show, she teased an upcoming segment in the manner shown:
WAGNER (12/10/24): Coming up, two very public New York City murders are dividing the nation and leading some of the public to expressions of sympathy for the killers. We will discuss this particular American moment when I am joined by New York City's Public Advocate, Jumaane Williams.
"Two very public New York City murders?" Which "murders" could she mean?
Sure enough! When she spoke with Williams, Wagner was soon asking this question:
WAGNER: Do you think anything changes—I mean, do you think, anecdotally, or just as a human being who thinks about these things, and the public, and what best serves the public—do you think anything comes of either one of these things? I mean, just the brutality of Jordan Neely's murder? Does that change anything about the way the city manages and treats its homeless population?
A bit later on, she said it again:
WAGNER: I think the other thing that is so disturbing is the desensitization towards death, right? Murder! That murder is the recourse here. Murder the homeless guy!
"The brutality of Jordan Neely's murder?" By normal journalistic standards, that was a very unusual choice of words.
Full disclosure! On Monday, rightly or wrongly, a New York City jury acquitted Daniel Penny of the one remaining criminal charge in the death of Jordan Neely. Penny was found not guilty by a unanimous Gotham jury.
Penny was found not guilty, but he'd never been charged with murder. Instead, the jury had ruled that he was not guilty of a charge of criminally negligent homicide. Last Friday, a separate charge of second-degree manslaughter had been dismissed by the judge in the case.
This case had never been charged as a murder. The defendant had been acquitted—had been found not guilty—of the charges which had been brought.
It's very unusual journalistic behavior to keep describing a death as a "murder" in some such circumstance. On a political basis, we'd suggest that this kind of presentation almost looks like one of the ways in which some of our tribunes in Blue America have almost seemed to be "earning our way out."
It wasn't alleged to have been a murder. A unanimous jury had then ruled "not guilty" with respect to the charge which was brought.
It remained a "murder" on Blue America's screens. Obviously, Wagner is entitled to her own assessments, but is this possibly one of the ways our "culturally liberal, largely well-educated elites" has been hard at work earning our tribe's way out?
Dallek wrote,”…is almost by definition going to find it impossible to defend American democracy.” Actually he should have said they will find it difficult to elect Democrats. That’s not the same thing.
ReplyDeleteGo fuck yourself, Dickhead in Cal. MR. Dallek is an educated man and knows what he wanted to say.
DeleteYou won. The end of our democratic republic is upon us. You have anointed a corrupt King. I wonder how many Trump family members will have their hands in the government till by the end.
Congratulations. Why don't you get the fuck out of here. Aren't you tired of spiking the ball in the endzone.
Trump is selling gold colored sneakers now. Before that, a cologne with an ad featuring Jill Biden as "the enemy". Hilarious.
DeleteTrump can be sued for using her face without consent in his ad, but he isn’t big on consent in any context. And the goons here laugh.
DeleteToday Kimberley Guilfoyle was named ambassador to Greece--shortly after the Daily Mail published photos of Don Jr. with his new girlfriend.
DeleteDid Donny Jr. get dad to send his ex far away?
Perhaps Wagner feels that Jordan Neely was murdered, even though Somerby makes a good case he wasn't. Similar to how people felt inflation was out of control the last few years, even though core inflation had fallen from 5.9% in 2022 to 4.7% in 2023, and down to 3.3% this year.
ReplyDeleteIf there is anything we learned this year, it's that feelings are as important as facts, and sometimes more so.
These so-called criticisms of the left are not actual criticisms but part of political warfare, including Somerby’s harrassment of Dems. Somerby is repeating right wing talking points, not making any suggestions. This essay is another manufactured excuse to attack liberals, who are as entitled to their opinions as anyone else.
ReplyDeleteAnonymouse 5:27pm, you are certainly entitled to your asinine opinions. Completely entitled. You own them. What you’re not entitled to is an iota of credibility when you act as though you’ve been mugged after voluntarily reading Bob’s blog.
DeleteSomerby dishonestly calls himself liberal while advancing right wing talking points, as he has done today. Woke is not a sin that drives away voters, for example.
Delete@9:58 -- There's the moment where Coyote has run over a cliff, but doesn't start falling until he notices where he is. He can only deny reality for so long.
DeleteDenying reality can work when one controls most of the media. Also, it can motivate people to believe they're way ahead. But, there comes a time when one needs to acknowledge reality and take appropriate action. That's what Bob is doing for the Dems. If Dems keep denying reality, they will fall over a cliff.
11:58,
DeleteSince we're all accepting reality.
Feel free to apologize for criticizing my honest take about there being no Republican voter who isn't a bigot.
I'd hate to see you look down after running over the cliff.
Administrations following price increases do not win elections. Apart from being a black female, Harris, who wiped the floor with Trump in their only debate, allowed for the false narrative that she ran the country during the Biden administration and was responsible for a period of global inflation, and for that was a poor candidate. Biden and his enablers helped put her in this position. The fact that a single individual could pump 250 million dollars into Trump's campaign and run a popular media outlet in which he (Musk) personally supported false propaganda about Harris is not discussed enough on web sites like this one. The fact that the electorate has chosen for president a mentally deteriorating old man whose stated economic plans, if materialized, will raise the deficit and trigger worsening inflation is not on the Dems. Says 22 Nobel Prize winners in economics. And, of course, Republican administrations' economic policy historically does abysmally compared with democratic, and will continue to do so as long as tax cuts for big businesses and the billionaires Trump now surrounds himself with continues. So all this hand wringing by Democrats is premature. They have a party that needs work, no doubt, but DIC and his cult brethren have done more for the Democratic party by electing Trump and all that goes along with him than they care to reflect upon. In way less than four years, Trump will again have a favorability rating in the low 30s and we will all be paying the price for a choice that has the rest of the world laughing at us.
DeleteAnonymouse 3:59am: “Apart from being a black female, Harris, who wiped the floor with Trump in their only debate, allowed for the false narrative that she ran the country during the Biden administration and was responsible for a period of global inflation, and for that was a poor candidate”
DeleteNo one thought Harris ran anything for five seconds. No one thought she was responsible for anything. No one knew what the hell she did, aside for casting the deciding vote in the senate, if necessary. . No one thought Biden was running the country, let alone Harris. Bob and Democrats in general argued that as a VP, she literally had nothing to do with policy. Harris, herself, confirmed that she was pretty much along for the ride, when she said there was nothing that she would have done or would do that was different from Biden.
You call everyone a racist for not agreeing with you. This is your same bullshite, different day.
When you say no one, Cecelia, you mean no one from your tribe that rubs shit in their hair, I guess.
DeleteAnonymouse 7:18am, I mean no one as in Bob (and all the anonymices who agreed with him) that Comma La, as VP (second in command as to the Commander-In-Chief) was completely unaccountable as to administration policy. Comma La promptly did Bob one better by saying that there was literally nothing that she would do differently now or in the future from the Big Guy.
DeleteComma La and Biden…for similar reasons…were only there to look pretty.
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DeleteThere was video of Pres. Obama bemoaning the election while literally looking like he felt two inches up from the doormat.
DeleteImagine what he’s lost. He could sit at home and smoke a joint or paddle around on a surf board, and essentially run the country by conference calls with his crew. Gone.
Where's my apology from David in Cal?
DeleteDid he look down after he ran over the cliff?
Cecelia is a perfect specimen of the batshit crazy maggots who inhabit Trumpworld. Sure, Cec. Obama the Kenyan was running the country from the beach. Just more evidence that TDH's theory that trying to talk to these lunatics is a futile exercise. These people are too far gone.
DeleteThe entire republican strategy revolved around pinning the last 4 years on Harris you fucking dumbass. You like to pride yourself on assigning a name to your posts as if it establishes anything other than that you are responsible for some of the most ridiculous content posted here, so congratulated yourself, whatever you are.
DeleteHow about I only call your chosen candidate a racist. That and of course those who did not condemn his comments about the Central Park 5 Obama's birthplace, or Harris's race? Oh, that would include you? Of course. You can call yourself whatever you want, but we're not buying it.
DeleteAnd this comma la name calling thing you seem so enamored with. Did you pick that habit up from your idol, or are you are you still struggling in middle school?
DeleteAnonymouse 8:37am, Obama is an American and since we know Pres. Biden is too incapacitated to run the country, the former prez (and a few former WH team members from his day) is the most likely person as to who is in charge as we speak. Obama still has a home in DC. He’s still a player in your party. Naturally, more than youwould acknowledge.
DeleteA black man running the country doesn't seem like something that would bother Republican voters.
DeleteLOL.
Anonymouse 10:27am, on the contrary, once the WH became completely cognizant as to Pres. Biden’s state, Obama was the only possible choice.
DeleteAnonymousec 10:01am, oh, no, quite the issue was made over people mispronouncing her name and it was righteously averred that anyone doing that was intentionally dissing her. I make sure that where I’m concerned there’s no possibility that I can be accused of that, lest anonymices say that I’m mispronouncing it in my head.
DeleteWhat Cecelia is vomiting here today is very mainstream belief in the "tribe that rubs shit in their hair". I have seen countless interviews of trump cult members at his nazi rallies repeating the same thing for 4 years. Denying that Biden was actually president. Some say Trump has actually been the president all this time.
DeleteThese people are in charge now.
Why did people vote for Trump? Propaganda and misinformation works.
Anonymouse 10:54am, unfortunately for you that’s a hard sell. Although anonymices were accusing Republicans of altering video, etc, and hourly offering odes to Pres. Biden’s mental faculties, Schumer and Pelosi ratted you out.
DeleteJust take a good look at Cecelia. We can't fix that level of batshit crazy.
DeletePresident Biden just brokered a cease fire agreement between Israel and Lebanon. You're very fucking welcome, Dickhead in Cal.
Anonymouse 11:14am, wrong “B”. It’s “B” as in Barack and company, not Biden. But Biden was there in Oval. Drinking Ovaltine.
DeleteTrump was too busy raping 13-year olds that look like his daughter, to do anything about his open-door border policies.
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DeleteT's nothin'. George "Thy Lord" Soros is raping His own Son! A dozen times every day! Beat that!
"Beat that!"
DeleteLet me get a microscope and tweezers, and I'll be right back.
Trump will make a mess and then Dems will be elected again to clean things up.
ReplyDeleteAnonymouse 5:29pm, if that does happen hopefully you’ll try to refrain from another proxy war.
Delete"proxy war" : whatever you pretend to yourself that means.
DeleteSomething you’re doing right now.
DeleteNoticing that Cecelia never makes good faith statements is the definition of "proxy war".
Delete"Something you're doing right now" Try making sense.
DeleteAnonymouse 9:49am, the anonymouse who I was addressing accused me of confabulating some definition of a proxy war, even as he denies that we are in the dictionary definition of the word.
DeleteYou wouldn't know what a proxy war is if you were on the front lines of one.
DeleteDavid in Cal is eating our pet cats and dogs.
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ReplyDelete"It remained a "murder" on Blue America's screens."
Ah, yes: slimy Democrat elites and their brain-dead follower.
Yawn. What else is new?
Nothing new.
DeleteRepublican voters are still just a bunch of bigots.
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