A BLUE LAGOON: Stephens has fears about President Trump!

WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 4, 2024

But he also has fears about Us: Way back when, right there in our native Middlesex County, sacred Thoreau went to the woods for a largely time-honored reason.

He described his reason for that move right in the opening chapter of his famous book, Walden. This is what he said:

Walden; or, Life in the Woods

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I went to the woods because I wished to live deliberately, to front only the essential facts of life, and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived. I did not wish to live what was not life, living is so dear; nor did I wish to practise resignation, unless it was quite necessary. I wanted to live deep and suck out all the marrow of life, to live so sturdily and Spartan-like as to put to rout all that was not life, to cut a broad swath and shave close, to drive life into a corner, and reduce it to its lowest terms, and, if it proved to be mean, why then to get the whole and genuine meanness of it, and publish its meanness to the world; or if it were sublime, to know it by experience, and be able to give a true account of it in my next excursion... 

Whatever! Reading that statement of purpose, a person might think of the famous dictum long ascribed to the version of Socrates which appears in Plato's works. The leading authority on the topic offers this thumbnail account:

The unexamined life is not worth living

"The unexamined life is not worth living" is a famous dictum supposedly uttered by Socrates at his trial for impiety and corrupting youth, for which he was subsequently sentenced to death. The dictum is recorded in Plato's Apology...

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Socrates believed that a life devoid of introspection, self-reflection, and critical thinking is essentially meaningless and lacks value. This quote emphasizes the importance of self-awareness and questioning one's beliefs, actions, and purpose in life.

The words were supposedly spoken by Socrates at his trial after he chose death, rather than exile. They represent (in modern terms) the noble choice, that is, the choice of death in the face of an alternative.

That's the way the famous statement has largely been understood. The dictum "emphasizes the importance of self-awareness" and the importance of "questioning one's beliefs [and] actions."

Sacred Thoreau explained why he went to the woods. He said he went to the woods to front the essential facts of life—"to drive life into a corner and reduce it to its lowest terms." 

At the end of his November 7 column for the New York Times, Bret Stephens explains why he voted for Candidate Harris in the November 5 election.

Culturally and politically, Stephens hails from the unmapped region now known as Red America. That said, like Tim Alberta of The Atlantic, he crossed an unmapped border many years back when it came to the question of Candidate Donald J. Trump.

Like Alberta, and to his credit, Stephens thereby became a bit of "a traitor to his class." At the end of a rather acerbic column, he described why he voted the way he did in this year's election—but he also described an even larger concern about the party his vote supported:

A Party of Prigs and Pontificators Suffers a Humiliating Defeat

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I voted reluctantly for Harris because of my fears for what a second Trump term might bring—in Ukraine, our trade policy, civic life, the moral health of the conservative movement writ large. Right now, my larger fear is that liberals lack the introspection to see where they went wrong, the discipline to do better next time and the humility to change.

Oof! That headline is quite unfriendly to the Democratic Party, whoever that is supposed to be. 

Some serious name-calling can be found in that acerbic headline! Is every member of the party's rank and file some sort of pontificator / prig? Can that really be what that headline means? Because that's what it may seem to say.

That headline is quite acerbic! Still, Stephens did cross that unmapped border, and he did vote for the Democratic Party's candidate. In that final paragraph, he offers a thumbnail account of why he voted the way he did.

Why in the world did this figure from Red America cross that unmarked border, venture into the woods? He says he did so because of his fears of what President Trump might do this second time around—but then, he also says this:

He voices an even larger fear about those of us in Blue America. He fears we'll lack the type of introspection which could let us see where our political project has failed.  

How did we ever lose to that guy? As we noted yesterday, the question has been floating around dating back to the day when it appeared as a joke on Saturday Night Live.

Today, it's a point of major puzzlement for many Biden / Harris voters. Stephens says he fears that we "liberals" won't make a serious effort to answer that question. 

In effect, he says we may be inclined to stage a political version of "the unexamined life." He says we may fail to create a true account of what has just happened as we launch our "next excursion."

That's what Stephens says at the end of his column. We can't quite say that he's wrong.

For ourselves, we wouldn't say that the defeat of Candidate Harris was "humiliating." We do share the fears which Stephens lists in that closing paragraph.

We share the fear about what President Trump may do in Ukraine. More broadly, we fear what he may do to the international order writ large—and we share the fear Stephens expresses concerning "trade policy" (tariffs). 

To be honest, we think it may be too late to worry about this flailing nation's "civic life" or "moral health," which seem to lie in tatters. Given current arrangements, we see no obvious way that we Americans can find our way "back out of all this now too much for us."

We share those fears about President Trump's second bite at the apple. That said, we also share the fear Stephens expressed about our own reactions in Blue America—about our (deeply human) instinct regarding self-examination or the lack of same.

We Blues! Perhaps like humans everywhere, we're strongly inclined to name-call Others as a group and to place all the blame on Them. 

Stephens does some name-calling too, right in the headline of his column. It's an instinct widely found among Red and Blue alike.

Stephens does some name-calling too. Beyond that, we think he overstates a few complaints at certain points in his column, as he lists the various ways we Blues helped earn our way out.

That said, we think he adds some valid points of concern to the three topics Alberta listed when he appeared on Washington Week. Yesterday, we reviewed Alberta's list of claims concerning the failures of Blue America. Tomorrow, we'll work from the body of Stephens' column as we add a few points to that starter list. 

How in the world did we lose to that guy? It seems to us that those of us in Blue America need to be asking that question in a thoroughly self-critical way. 

Like humans all over the globe, we're strongly inclined to blame the Others for all the follies we survey. But have the Others always been wrong? Or is it possible that some of the reasons for November's defeat may track back to Us?

Will we Blues choose to live in a blue lagoon—in a soothing tribal paradise of our own imagination? Or are we willing to take ourselves into the woods, hoping to give a true account of what happened this year before we fling ourselves into our next excursion?

We can choose the lady or the tiger!  We voted for Candidate Harris too—but for our money, much of what Stephens says in that sometimes-acerbic column just plain simply isn't completely and totally wrong.

Some of his comments strike us as true! Is it possible that he sees Us in a way We Ourselves possibly can't?

Tomorrow: He adds to Alberta's list

86 comments:

  1. "Some of his comments strike us as true!"

    Stop the presses!

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    1. Apparently, everybody poops, too.

      I learned that from a children’s book, which had better analysis on offer than this silly blog.

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    2. anon 11:37, there's plenty out there to read. If you find this blog is so silly, why do you read it?

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    3. Exactly, why spend a minute reading this atrocious blog that is slowly withering away, excellent point 12:52.

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    4. Every time I post a line here I get a banana from Mr. Soros. A ripe, juicy banana. Mm-mmm.

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    5. Yes 1:08, yes! More of this. Thank you for helping bring down this atrocious right wing blog.

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    6. I haven’t poop for two days, I read this blog to get my bowels moving.

      Crap….uh, I’ll be back in a few, something just came up.

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  2. From Nate Silver:

    In 2016, progressive institutionalist types could at least console themselves by saying the public didn’t know what it would be getting with Trump, and might have had some natural desire to experiment when the alternative was Hilary Clinton, the unpopular avatar of the technocratic status quo. Well, this time around, the public saw what it got with Trump — including the pandemic, January 6, and all those crimes and misdemeanors — and decided it liked it better than Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.

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    1. Thank you demonstrating what a moron Nate Silver is.

      This election Trump could not even muster 50% of those that voted (essentially he barely matched his losing 2020 support, considering demographics and population growth), and Trump could only muster about 30% of the total electorate.

      It’s clear the public did not prefer Trump, they just did not bother to go out and vote for Harris, who ran the same campaign as Biden in 2020, with the significant difference being Harris is a woman of color.

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    2. The public would prefer me, George "Your Lord" Soros. But I didn't run. Because you're bad, bad Americans. And I'm punishing you.

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    3. Thank you, 11:23, for contributing to the death of this pernicious right wing blog, your hard work towards this endeavor is much appreciated.

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    4. Go back to Kremlin, Boris; lecture your friends there.

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  3. "How in the world did we lose to that guy? "

    Because you're losers. Completely and utterly corrupt losers.

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    1. Agree, Somerby is a corrupt loser.

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    2. Somerby is fine, if you like manufactured ignorance with your morning coffee.

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  4. Somerby is eager to mine two right wing Republican pundits for quotes to support his otherwise evidence-free murky tsk tsk finger wagging at the Dems, who he apparently feels bitter about, since they seem reluctant to recognize his “brilliance”.

    Sorry Somerby, Dems do not take advice from Republicans, not from a lack of self awareness, but because Republicans typically want to destroy Blue America.

    If you got conned, that’s on you.

    Pity Somerby, living a solitary life through a vanity blog that is poor, nasty, and brutish.

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    1. 11:32 your contribution towards the death of this horrible right wing blog is appreciated, keep it up!

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    2. Houde Democrats just kicked the ball into their own goal trying to dunk on people's grocery needs. Stephens might have a point.

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    3. Stephens' call for the Democratic Party to do more for the good people of the United States will never work. The Right will call it "Socialism" with Stephens' tacit approval.

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    4. Some of the people who's grocery needs were dunked on by House Democrats were black. Seems they're already trying to win over Republican voters.

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    5. Agree, Stephens and Alberta are just pushing the same right wing nonsense they always have. Their claimed views about Trump are both performative and expressing a fear that Trump’s version of the Republican Party is leading to the long term destruction of the GOP.

      As bad as establishment Dems are, they’re light years better than the dystopia on offer from Republicans. Electoral politics is skyways primarily about lesser evil/harm reduction.

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    6. Always, not skyways, I think your autocorrect is on the fritz.

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    7. Imagine not supporting evil in the first place

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    8. I can imagine a lot of unrealistic things.

      That’s the realm of storytellers.

      Not supporting lesser evil/harm reduction is worse than supporting lesser evil/harm reduction. It’s pretty straightforward.

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  5. Keep kicking that can down the road, Bob.

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    1. Yeah, it’s pretty funny.

      Somerby, challenging Musk and Trump for the top spot of King of Empty Promises.

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  6. Frankly I don't want anyone who calls me priggish to be around me or my emotional support dictionary.

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  7. Kash Patel ate my uncle! Joyfully!

    And that was my favorite uncle!

    I am Corby.

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    1. Thanks for helping out in killing off this terrible right wing blog. More please!

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  8. Why did conservative Brett Stephens vote for Harris? IMO he couldn’t have kept his position at the Times if he had come out as a Trump voter. The Times staff would have driven him.

    I base this opinion on the book Morning After the Revolution by Nellie Bowles. It is not a coincidence that no person permanently associated with the Times has ever admitted to voting for Trump.

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    1. Stephens' would have got cancel cultured. Or what we used to call "criticized".

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    2. Like all Right bullies, Stephens was too much of a coward to face the consequences of admitting the truth.

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    3. Not a single person in the whole world voted for Harris. A few people, who live off of corruption (government bureaucrats mostly) voted against Trump. But no one voted for Harris. Why would they?

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    4. D in C, you continue to sink into illogical thinking, something I would think is contrary to the position you held in the insurance industry. Plenty of republicans other than Stephens didn't vote for Trump who are not Times columnists - the Cheneys, Gov. Christie, most of the appointees from Trump's first term. There's a long list.I don't get it D in C - what is it with you?

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    5. Roughly 75 million voted for Harris.

      The largest single beneficiary of corrupt government handouts is Musk, and a slew of Republican cronies are nipping at his heels. They all voted for Trump because Trump benefits the wealthy at the expense of everyone else, and they are laughing all the way to the bank at suckers like 1:03.

      Yes, more voted for Biden, the most ever in fact, and Harris ran essentially the same campaign as Biden, even with the same staff, with the obvious difference being, Harris is a woman of color.

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    6. The NYT would have had to face the wrath of their Bolshevik younger staff and their readers if they had a Trump supporter on board.

      I’m a conservative and I don’t mind if Republican Stephens doesn’t like Trump and I wouldn’t care what paper he wrote for, no business should be a church choir, let alone the news business.

      It’ll be interesting to see how.the Washington Post fares with their young thugs.

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    7. What's the matter, Dickhead in Cal? I am sure Stephens explained and gave his reasons for his revulsion for the treasonous bastard you grovel over even after he plotted an insurrection and incited an attack on the US Capitol. And who further campaigned on the promise to pardon the convicted criminals who participated in the attack. Donny J Chickenshit grotesquely refers to these criminals as hostages. And you fucking crawled on your belly to vote for that monster. What's thew matter, Dickhead in Cal, don't you believe Stephens and all decent human beings were repelled by that abomination? You can go fuck yourself now.

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    8. IMO he couldn’t have kept his position at the Times if he had come out as a Trump voter.
      This may be the single dumbest comment I have ever seen from David.

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    9. I’m a Republican (small business owner) that previously voted for Trump, but Jan 6 and the Supreme Court and all of Trump’s crimes were too much, I voted for Harris.

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    10. AC/MA - we might both be right. It’s possible that Stephens couldn’t have kept his job if he voted for Trump AND he would have voted for Harris regardless.

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    11. Huh? Did our reputed Massachusetts lawyer just opine that a functionary of the official Politburo rag could openly admit voting for Hitler? Jeez.

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    12. No one actually knows how Stephens voted, but he’s been employed by corporate media for a long time, having never voted for a Dem before.

      It’s a shell game, which is why corporate media is increasingly unpopular and irrelevant.

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    13. AC/MA - we might both be right.

      LOL! Sure, Dickhead, your paranoid fever dreams must be right.

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  9. Is it Stephens' contention the Democratic Party doing more to help the people (not the elites) will stop the Right from calling them "socialists" and "commies"?
    I don't think he's thought this through.

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    1. Anonymouse 12:49pm, I bet Stephens knows the difference between “helping people” and the nationalization of everything.

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    2. What did Obama and Biden nationalize, Cec?

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    3. Anonymouse 1:54pm, nothing. Neither did Biden. Not even health care. You’re welcome.

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    4. It's ok, Cecelia, the orange Jesus has promised to repeal and replace the ACA.

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    5. Anonymouse 2:22pm, didn’t he say that the last time?

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    6. Remember, yesterday, when Biden lied and it almost ended the Republic?
      What can you say?
      Sometimes it's just their obsession with the size of Hunter Biden's penis that makes Righties post foolish things on the internet.

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    7. Yes, Cecelia, this time he volunteered in that debate where Kamala wiped the floor with him that he has a concepts of a plan. Go fuck yourself.

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    8. Trump flip flops like it is going out of style.

      The stranglehold private corporations have on America is pretty bad.

      If there’s an autocracy, nationalization can be bad, since that’s just a dictator grabbing power and keeping all the benefits for himself; otherwise “nationalizing” essential goods and services is for the public good, providing for the needs of everyone instead of an elite few.

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    9. It’s not just that Republicans seem to suffer from the men in their ranks having undersized penises.

      The latent homo/bi sexuality prevalent in Republicans is fueling their homo/bi/trans phobia, and their general bitterness.

      Homo/bi/trans sexuality is normal and natural, healthy and common.

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    10. Things like healthcare are not profitable without scamming people, creating hierarchies, and picking winners and losers, thereby causing untold misery; these type of things should not fall exclusively under the realm of private for profit entities, otherwise you wind up with a highly stratified society, with a massive amount of inequality - ie our current American circumstance, where most are relatively miserable wage slaves, with a few elite that are ecstatic about how free they are to jet around the world, especially to exclusive islands where consent is not required, so their undersized penises and repugnant characters are not an impediment in exercising their urges for dominance over others.

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    11. Anonymouse 2:49pm, that or it’s just another instance of liberals calling people they don’t like “fags”.

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    12. Anonymouse 2:40pm, so Trump did say it then and you say he said it now. Fooled you twice, huh?

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    13. You're such a dishonest cretin, Cecelia. He came within 1 vote in the Senate his first term of the repeal part. The replace part was always bullshit. Fooled me? How so. He burned with rage and was obsessed with destroying Obama's ACA. He spent the first 3 years trying to destroy it and thereby fuck over millions of Americans who depend on it. This tells us two things. 1) he was an incompetent president who couldn't even get his own party to follow his lead, and 2) you're an imbecile.

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  10. Trump has said he’ll protect Social Security and Medicare. He wants to strengthen the military. Everyone is for “gun safety” , and a decentralized government put abortion and gun laws in the hands of individualized states.

    The issue isn’t these types of…issues. There’s been a meeting in the middle and that’s made most people happy, except for extreme ideologues, such as anonymices. You care more about allowing transwomen into the ladies’ room, cutting body parts off kids, and letting millions of migrants into the country so you can tell them that America sucks and has always sucked and that the managerial/expert class is their only friend. If anyone among them questions that, you’ll call them “Uncle Clarence”.

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  11. Anonymouse 1:43pm, I don’t where you live, but I was in a waiting room yesterday where the price of living was the toic of consternation among total strangers.

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  12. The character she plays here lives in Denver.

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  13. Are you at all familiar with the contents and plans contained in Project 2025, Cecelia, you nasty piece of work lying whore?

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  14. Trump has claimed opposing views on everything, including SS, Medicare, abortion, you name it. Trump does not care about these issues, he’s out to make money and avoid personal responsibility for his criminality; he’s a serial sexual predator, the way Republicans try to normalize him, would be amusing if it weren’t so harmful to society.

    Trump/Republicans want to increase the budget for the military, not the strength. They are beholden to corporations that make fat profits off the military industrial complex. Modern Republicans are beholden to Russian interests, so the Ukraine situation puts them in an amusing bind.

    Republican office holders oppose gun safety legislation.

    Republicans have tried to cut SS and Medicare since they were introduced, only stopped by Dems and the filibuster.

    There’s been no happy meeting in the middle, centrism is at the heart of establishment Dems, who just failed to motivate voters (Trump got 30% of the electorate). In repeated, long term surveys it is clear a majority of Americans support progressive policies over centrist/right wing policies.

    The most popular aspects of our society are things that depend on communal action organized by a central government.

    No Dem centers their politics around trans people, it’s a tiny cohort that causes no harm; Dems support trans right just like they support all those suffering from oppression. (Check out the Bostock decision for clarity on how no one actually cares about issues like this, it’s all performative for Republicans, trying to gain purchase from wedge issues) The only gender affirming surgery for minors allowed is top surgery - and only following an involved protocol involving therapy, doctor approval etc., which is also allowed for cis girls who get breast reduction or enhancement, which is way more common, doesn’t require a protocol, and doesn’t get pushback from Republicans - once again exposing their hypocrisy, and how they don’t really care about issues, they’re just after an emotional boost.

    Immigration is the lifeblood of this country, contributing labor at low wages and billions of dollars to our federal revenues every year, all while costing us little, enhancing our society, and having much lower crime rates than native born Americans. The current wave started spiking under Trump (and was temporarily halted by the pandemic which drove pent up demand) primarily due to our disastrous foreign affairs; if you don’t like immigration the most significant thing you can do is stop electing the neocons and neoliberals that Trump is currently filling his admin with, but you’ll get pushback from the corporate world since they thrive off immigrant labor.

    Republicans routinely engage in racism, including a pernicious form of racism called tokenism; calling out Republican racial tokenism is a good thing, since it’s a tool they weaponize to enable their racism.

    Clarence Thomas claimed, when he first was appointed, that his driving motivation was to “make liberal’s lives miserable”. Republicans are driven by emotion, they get off on being able to cause suffering for others.

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  15. Does Project 2025 prevent soros-trained monkeys from getting ripe, juicy bananas? Does it?

    How horrible.

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  16. Trump wants nothing to do with Project 2025. His real constituents, the rich and corporate elites, want the borders open for cheap labor, just like the last time.

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  17. It must have sounded like gibberish to you, since you know nothing about how economics works.

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  18. 1:43 comment is based on data from polls, not anecdotes.

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  19. Appreciate your efforts in helping kill off this nasty right wing blog, keep at it!

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  20. Some horrible evil people want to deprive us soros-trained monkeys of ripe, juicy bananas.

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  21. We agree, 2:53, this blog is garbage, thanks for trying to help kill it off.

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  22. We soros-trained monkey enjoy garbage. Garbage is such a joy!

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  23. When news first broke this summer about Project 2025, the conservative mandate for reshaping the federal government, then-candidate Donald Trump immediately distanced himself from the plan, calling some of it “ridiculous and abysmal.”

    Fast forward several months, and Trump, now the president-elect, has announced his intention to place several architects of the plan into top positions in his administration.


    I agree with you about the cheap labor the corporate elites want from the undocumented. But Project 2025 is a lot more than that.

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  24. Anonymouse 2:39pm, that’s a cute screed and I admit to getting a kick out of the appellations, but this isn’t the only country that has taken issue with “gender affirming care”. In the case of the UK is was AFTER a period of such “treatment of gender dysphoria.

    The comparison of “gender affirming care” as being the same as adolescent girls wanting enhancements for the anatomy they already possess, is interesting.The desire to enhance one’s anatomical features is not in the same order as trying to acquire completely different ones. Still, I don’t think young girls should be candidates for breast enhancement, unless there is some sort of deformity.

    Its interesting to see you champion illegal migrants as cheap labor for businesses— off the books, of course—at least until automation replaces them and we all receive a “decent”wage through government subsidy controlled by powerful alliance between corporations, academics, and government.

    As to your breathless denunciations of Republicans in general. Duly noted. Every day.

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  25. This is the perils of the social media, where anonymous commenters and marginal blogs are given the same weight as actual politicians making policy statements.

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  26. Anonymouse 2:52pm, it’s merely been ten or more years of anonymices effort. My guess is that anonymices will all die off first.

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  27. So you’re not just here to gallantly defend Bob, Cecelia, but you also feel the need to defend the GOP. Way to be tribalist. Republicans should be denounced every moment of every day for their destructive policies and devotion to a lying egomaniac. Notice I said “Republicans”, not “voters.” “Republican” means something very pernicious these days.

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  28. Anonymouse 2:51pm, how optimistic were you about things being fixable and just “coming around” in general, AFTER Trump was soon to be out and Biden soon to be in?

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  29. Anonymouse 4:10pm, come on now. If the people anonymices denounce aren’t Republicans, anonymices will invariably accuse them of being Republicans. Therefore they are pernicious.

    We can’t label that phenomenon as being tribal, it’s sheer religious fanaticism.

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  30. Thoreau went to the woods to live near his friend Emerson. The pseudo philosophy is an elaborate justification for following his friend to a rural area, concealing his gay relationship. Someone who truly wants to suck the marrow from life (Thoreau’s words) stays in the city. Bugs and leaves reveal nothing about the self.

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    1. Anonymouse 5:03pm, you have the depth of a flea’s tear on an elephants butt. That’s pretty damn shallow. However, that comparison is inadequate as to your shallowness because we all know you’d be saying the opposite of Thoreau if Bob was criticizing him.

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    2. Somerby’s choice of authors to quote reveals his own bias.

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    3. Bugs and leaves reveal nothing about the self.
      What a remarkably shallow view. I am impressed by the depth of your shallowness.

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  31. What are all these bigots doing in my political party?

    https://theonion.com/why-do-all-these-homosexuals-keep-sucking-my-cock-1819583529/

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  32. "topic" is spelled t-o-p-i-c.

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  33. The largest supermarket chain in Florida, Publix, had a 48% increase in earnings per share in 2023. Were they talking about that in your waiting room yesterday or just bitching about the cost of groceries and blaming it on the Democrats? Thought so.

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  34. Why would you think that?

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  35. The religious, racial, and ethnic diversity of Congressional republicans is a thing to behold and peaks volumes against charges of tribalism levied against their historically open minded constituency.

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