Should President Biden have granted that pardon?

WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 4, 2024

Marcus and Todd and our American Babel: Should President Biden have granted that pardon to his son, Hunter Biden?

A wide range of basic questions are involved in any assessment of this topic. Conceivably, the whole thing starts with some basic questions about Joe Biden's apparently permissive attitude, down through the years, toward his apparently grifter son and his possibly grifter brother.

Among the various assessments we've seen observers offer, Chuck Todd's assessment stands out. We can't tell you if his assessment is right or wrong, but he seems to be trying to see a larger forest instead of a couple of trees.

He spoke with Chris Cillizza. As you can see at Mediaite, here's part of what he said:

TODD (12/2/24): I followed the Hunter Biden trial very closely. I read every transcript, all the testimony, because that’s what you—all that was made public. 

And there is—you want to, you want to read, you want to get angry, just as somebody in all these mixed emotions? You read the Hallie Biden transcript, and that’s Beau’s widow. 

CILLIZZA: Yes.

TODD: And essentially, he turned her into a crack addict. And this was all happening in 2017, 2018. And Joe and Jill Biden were so concerned about their family that they decided to run for president.  

CILLIZZA: Yup!

TODD: I just—so when you talk about the word "selfish," I— It’s almost like the word doesn’t— I mean— Their decision to run for president put the entire Democratic Party, and the United States of America, in the position that it’s in now.

Chuck seems to feel that Joe Biden's decision to run for president was, under the circumstances, extremely unwise. He seems to feel the decision has ended very badly for Blue American interests.

We have no idea how to evaluate that assessment. That said:

For ourselves, we have increasingly wondered about the way Joe Biden dealt with these family matters down through the years, back to and including the years when he served as vice president.

For better or worse, Todd was attempting to assess a forest, not just a handful of trees. In this column for the Washington Post, Ruth Marcus carefully assesses a more limited set of legal and political matters.

In Marcus' view, the pardon was justified on the merits. This is the heart of her legal analysis:

Biden had good reason to pardon Hunter. Except he promised he’d never do it.

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Hunter Biden was convicted in June on three felony charges involving his lying on federal gun-purchasing paperwork about his drug use and illegally possessing a gun. He pleaded guilty in September to nine federal charges stemming from his failure to pay at least $1.4 million in taxes. Sentencing in both cases was scheduled for later this month, and the tax case in particular exposed him to the threat of significant prison time, up to 17 years.

Neither of these cases should have gone as far as they did. “Addict in possession” gun cases are not often brought as stand-alone charges, absent other, serious misconduct. Hunter Biden had the gun for all of 11 days and never used it. The tax charges stemmed from a period when he was suffering from a serious drug problem; two years before the charges were filed, he repaid the taxes owed plus associated interest and penalties. Far more serious and willful tax offenses have been settled without resorting to criminal charges.

But Hunter Biden was an attractive target for his father’s political opponents; more precisely, he made himself an attractive target with unsavory consulting arrangements that traded on the family name. Those deals, though, didn’t yield criminal charges, and the Trump-appointed U.S. attorney for Delaware, David Weiss, was left with the gun and tax cases. Those should have been resolved by a plea agreement under which Hunter Biden would have been sent to a pretrial diversion program, but when Republican members of Congress erupted over what they called a sweetheart plea deal, Weiss proved too weak to resist the pressure. As the president said in his statement, his son was “selectively, and unfairly, prosecuted.”

For the record, Marcus is a graduate of Harvard Law School, though she turned directly to a career in journalism after receiving her law degree.

At any rate, that's Marcus' assessment of the way these prosecutions went down. In her view, President Biden was right on the merits when he said that Hunter Biden was “selectively, and unfairly, prosecuted.”

Sadly, also this:

Along the way, Marcus also takes note of the role allegedly played by Hunter Biden's "unsavory consulting arrangements that traded on the family name." It's those arrangements, and Joe Biden's apparently permissive attitude toward such behaviors, that have helped sour us on the president's role in our failing nation's recent political history.

Then too, there's this! Here comes the judge, saying this, as reported today by NBC News:

Judge in Hunter Biden tax case calls president's pardon statement an attempt to 'rewrite history'

The judge who presided over the California tax fraud case against Hunter Biden called out the president for mischaracterizing and minimizing the charges against his son in announcing why he was pardoning him.

"The Constitution provides the President with broad authority to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, but nowhere does the Constitution give the President the authority to rewrite history," U.S. District Judge Mark C. Scarsi wrote in a ruling late Tuesday. 

The NBC report continues, with Judge Scarsi seeming to hit President Biden hard. We have no idea of Judge Scarsi's assessments are right.

Our final observation on this general matter is this:

Like many other important matters, this matter turns on many technical points—in this case, on legal points which non-specialists will be poorly equipped to assess. Given the arrangements our nation has chosen, people watching the Fox News Channel will hear one set of claims about those technical legal matters, while people watching MSNBC will hear a completely different set of assessments.

Never the twain shall meet! We live in a tightly segregated type of journalistic Babel. In various types of cases, "experts" holding diametrically opposite views will never meet in a neutral forum where they can be seen attempting to battle it out.

Under this arrangement, it's very, very, very hard to get a clear view of the actual facts in endless arrays of major disputes. As a general matter, citizens will simply repair to their respective tribal corners, where they will be served their approved tribal point of view. 

In our experience, members of both American nations, Red and Blue, do get misled in the process.

Can a large modern nation really function this way? The evidence seems all too clear whenever we look around!

Two additional points: In our view, Marcus is both sane and sharp. We also regard her as a "straight shooter." 

Is her assessment right in this matter? How in the world should we know? 

It's ever thus under current arrangements! But this is the nation our corporate news orgs, and some of their best-known employees, have quite relentlessly chosen.

Regarding the pardon, this:

We don't think someone should go to jail for the offenses as we understand them. We're a bit of a squish on such matters. 

That helps explain why we, like tens of millions of others, were negatively impressed when Blue America's opinion leaders spent so much time, and so much energy, trying to lock Trump up. 

Our tribunes talked about it day and night, ignoring almost everything else. Quite a few Others noticed!

Is that one of the ways we Blue Americans may have managed to earn our way out? We'll have more on that vital question in the eons ahead. 

Two roads diverged in a yellow wood, and we chose incarceration!


70 comments:

  1. Why do you think Trump(ism) gains a following? Well, actually, that's complicated. But part of it is because elites of all political stripes are absolutely out for themselves and complete moral hypocrites. And Democrats stake a claim to moral superiority when Trump does not.

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    1. Are you seriously calling all elites Ayn Rand style objectivists? I doubt that’s true. Democrats are elites because they do not think or act like Trump.

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  2. Somerby equates Hunter’s tax bill delinquency with insurrection, rape, fraud and showing stolen classified documents to enemies, Trump’s crimes. He can’t tell the difference between malicious persecution of an unfortunate Biden relative and holding the elected president accountable for wrongdoing. Somerby is a moral midget.

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    1. The underlying argument is less about directly equating the offenses and more about criticizing the broader partisan approach where legal matters are weaponized for political gain.

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    2. It's pretty obvious, no. Or did you not notice the Right suddenly going after the gun rights of a white man?

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  3. I wouldn’t trust Chuck Todd to walk my dog. This freaky partisan hack is so angry as to how things have turned out that he’s literally seething over the fact that Biden ran for the presidency in the first place.

    Anonymices were mad at Bob for suggesting Biden was too old to run (which turned out to be true). Well, take at look at this clown, anonymices. This creep is saying that Biden put his ego over EVERYTHING , including his country.

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    1. "Anonymices were mad at Bob for suggesting Biden was too old to run (which turned out to be true)."

      People were mad regarding the lies about Haitian immigrants eating pets and J.D. Vance having sex with furniture (which also turned out to be true), as well.

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    2. Anonymouse 6:30pm, that’s soon-to-be Vice
      President Vance.

      You and the Democrats can get mad all you want. Who cares. However, you do make a decent defense for Todd. At least ole Chuck is mad at the person who screwed HIS party over.

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    3. You leave Cuhlelia's dog alone, dammit.

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    4. "You and the Democrats can get mad all you want. Who cares."

      Not Cecelia, that's for sure.
      LOL.

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    5. Anonymouse 7:19pm, I confine it to Democrats posing as journalists.

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    6. It took us years and years to finally get Todd removed as MTP moderator, but SeeSee thinks he's one of ours. So fucking stupid, these maggots are.

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  4. In the classic TV show Seinfeld, Jerry's neighbor Kramer bets him that he will build a series of carpeted risers in his apartment by the end of the month. He doesn't do it, telling Jerry he didn't want to make a bet anymore. Jerry replied "that's the bet."

    This is the relationship people learn to have with leaders who demand you chase understanding in the pre-approved scripts.

    You have to accept he didn't want to do the things he said he wanted to do. As Whoopie Goldberg explained to Charlemagne, "he changed his mind."

    Reaganism culture war bait aside, as a famous radical liberal writer once put it, propaganda conditions people in such a way that "yesterday’s proved-to-the-hilt atrocity story can become a ridiculous lie, merely because the political landscape has changed."


    Every American politician is an independent thinker, they tell us.
    They are all rebels with their own touching personal stories.

    And so this overproduction of ideas turns people into zombies. babbling like "some kind of dummy: a feeling which suddenly becomes stronger at moments when the light catches the speaker’s spectacles and turns them into blank discs which seem to have no eyes behind them. ...."

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    1. As specious as “he changed his mind” is as an answer to anything more conceptual than fries vs hush puppies, you should have left it right there.

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    2. Cecelia,
      Tsk. Tsk.
      Your frustration with not being able to produce a Republican voter who isn't a bigot, is showing.

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    3. Anonymouse flying monkey, but your complete inability to come up with new material never gets old.

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    4. "material"?
      I was merely asking you to do the impossible.

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    5. 7:36,
      Admit he Left has been correct about the Right since Reagan, and we can all move on.

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    6. Anonymouse 7:47pm, that you will deem EVERY Republican as being a bigot is correct. That you have no lines other than those that reveal you as being a bigot is also correct.

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    7. You and David in Cal make a great team.
      Like you, he couldn't figure out a way to differentiate between Neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and the "fine people" on the Right who attended the Unite the Right march in Charlottesville.

      Sorry, but it'll NEVER get old.

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    8. Anonymouse 11:57pm, it’s been forever since you changed this quip and your underwear.

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    9. Reminds me of this old quip:
      2 + 2 = 4.

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    10. Anonymouse 8:41am, that’s not a quip, it’s the breadth of anonymouse math skills.

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    11. 9:33,
      Jealousy will get you nowhere.

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  5. It looks to me as if a prosecutor has agreed to a non-incarceration deal and that same prosecutor reneged on the deal after hearing from partisans from Congress and then continued to prosecute the case. I think that tells you everything you need to know.

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  6. Look at our Cecelia, triggered as always. Just say “bigot”, and she flies into action from her home inside bob Somerby’s colon.

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    1. Calling all Republicans "bigots" is the oldest truth in the book.

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    2. Anonymouse 10:58pm, “Just say ‘triggered’ or ‘bigot’” is on the anonymouse flying monkey family crest.

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    3. 11:48,
      It's funny, because it's so damned true.

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    4. Anonymouse 8:42am, no, it’s funny cause Soros had it tattooed on your butt.

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  7. Chuck Todd seems to grade Biden differently from all the other presidents and their pardons.

    Anyway, no take backs! Deal with it.

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  8. Chuck Todd argues that Joe Biden should have scuttled his career ambitions in order to deal with the antic of his addicted son. Maybe trolling Biden will be a better fit for him than the miserably spineless job he does as an inerviewer.

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  9. If Todd thinks Joe Biden's decision to run for president was unwise and negatively impacted the Democratic Party and the United States maybe he should run for president with an addicted spawn and greedy, hag wife. See how that works for him.

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  10. My uncle was eaten by cannibals. Because he was too drunk to file his taxes.

    That was my favorite uncle!

    I am Corby.

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  11. Hard work is good work! Hard work can be joyful work!

    Somerby is an ass!

    I am Corby. It's pronounced Comma-la-la.

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  12. God Bess Joe Biden.
    He was already the best President of the United States in my lifetime (61 years), and now he tops it off by making all the right people in society cry.
    Simply the best.

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    1. 61, and still a soros-bot? So sad.
      You poor thing.

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    2. “How will you manage in retirement, granny?”

      “Oh, sweetly, I’ll troll blogs for a billionaire globalist who wants to run the world.”

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    3. I had consensual sex last night, just to rub the fact that I can in the faces of Right-wingers.

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    4. Anonymouse 8:59am, for that, you paid a hooker.

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    5. Anonymouse 9:27, probably not the first judge you paid to “get off”.

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  13. And Biden is planning on making all the right people pardoned. Preemptively.

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    1. I don't see Hunter Biden's penis getting so small, Right-wingers ever stop obsessing over it.

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    2. My 5-year old nice will die of old-age before Right-wingers stop obsessing over Hunter Biden's penis.

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    3. you mean he's going to preemptively pardon persons who were on lunatic Kash's hit list?

      This country has a really fucked up judicial system. I see Rudy keeps blowing off contempt orders from the judge and gets to go home every time.

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    4. The Right would like us to forget they voted for a rapist to be the President of the United States. Like that will ever happen.
      Suckers!

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    5. Anonymouse 8:48am, if you had a nickel for every time you type “penis”, Boston Children’s Hospital would make you one.

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    6. Anonymouse 9:00am, no, the Biden Admin is floating the move of preemptively pardoning people, in order to give the media reason not to corner any “moot” investigative processes.

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    7. 9:19,
      Take it up with the Supreme Court if you don't like it. Maybe you can get some of Clarence Thomas' Right-wing Sugar Daddies to cut him off for a couple of months to sway his opinion.

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    8. Anonymouse 9:28am, ever-so-reasonable are leaning hard on Sotomayor to retire. Preemptive innocence could be helpful in a confirmation.

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    9. Yeah. Pre-emptively pardoning Fauci&Co. for murdering a few million people; that one's for history books.

      That's what the Biden/Comma-la administration is going to be remembered for.

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    10. 9:51, where did you get your medical degree, shit-for-brains troll-boy?

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    11. Cecelia,
      Do you think it was Joe Biden who killed the CEO of United Healthcare?
      I admit, It would be genius to embrace the Supreme Court's Presidential immunity gambit like that.

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    12. Why Biden? Pelosi, apparently.

      https://www.caclubindia.com/money/finance/nancy-pelosi-united-health/

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    13. Anonymous 10:03am, the only thing Joe Biden could have ended up shooting is his foot. Or a doorman.

      Considering the comments from liberals as to the justice of this brutal execution on a city sidewalk, via liberal “logic”, Justin Trudeau should be buying Kevlar.

      https://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2023/12/26/canadian-health-care-leaves-patients-frozen-in-line/

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  14. Women are transitioning to be men to protect their reproductive rights from being taken away by the Republican Party.

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    1. Same reason women are getting their tubes tied.

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    2. 9:22,
      It keeps them from carrying the babies of the rapists (i.e. Republican Party politicians).
      Same reason, indeed.

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    3. Anonymouse 9:32sm, nothing like barrenness to own the Republicans.

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    4. You try dealing with all their raping. It ain't easy.

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    5. It's even worse for all the pre-teen victims of Republicans.

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    6. Anonymouse 9:42am, here’s a puzzle. Which is less likely for you? Being raped or winning a Nobel Prize?

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    7. The latter, unless I work as an aide for my Republican Congressman, of course.

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    8. Anonymouse 9:49am, YES. That and also thinking they need a passport to cross state lines leads to liberal women getting sterilized and to films of it happening on X.

      Our country’s future couldn’t be more bright!

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    9. Rape is all soros-trained monkeys can think about.

      Alas, no one is interested in raping them.

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    10. Anonymouse 10:38am, true that. Even though anonymices will pay big money for it.

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    11. 10:38,
      They love rape so much, they let the Republican Party elect a rapist to be President, again.
      Republican voters don't even like rape. They just vote for Trump because he gives them the bigotry they crave.

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    12. Promises, promises. And still they wouldn't rape me, the best soros-monkey here.

      What the fuck? Who do I need to suck off here to finally get raped?

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