THURSDAY, AUGUST 6, 2026
The Wall Street Journal says no: Despite the fact that he didn't exist, Homer has been in the air of late.
In our opinion, Keats may have overdone it a bit with respect to Chapman's translation:
On First Looking into Chapman's Homer
[...]
Then felt I like some watcher of the skies
When a new planet swims into his ken;
Or like stout Cortez when with eagle eyes
He star'd at the Pacific—and all his men
Look'd at each other with a wild surmise—
Silent, upon a peak in Darien.
Or then again, maybe not. There's a lot to see in the pair of poems by the poet who didn't exist.
(According to experts, Keats may have meant Balboa, not Cortez—though yes, that's a reference to the Darien of today's Darien Gap. Also, the reference to a "new planet" would have resonated at the time because of the recent discovery of Uranus.)
For us, Homer's recitations, starting with Book One of the Iliad, show us the madness of the principal players in the siege of Troy in a wholly unvarnished way. By way of contrast, major news orgs like the New York Times and MS NOW are devoted to the idea that the apparent mental illness of our leaders must be normalized, ignored, disappeared.
Because neither he nor Agamemnon existed, Homer knew he couldn't be sued, or even arrested and charged with crimes, by a man like that leader of the Achaean (Greek) forces. He knew that he could portray Agamemnon's rage, in all its irrational fury, in the Iliad's opening lines.
We're still in Book One in the first of the poems! In his Introduction to the Robert Fagles translation, Professor Knox describes the situation as we've already portrayed it:
Bernard Knox, Introduction to the Robert Fagles translation
[...]
Chryses, a priest of Apollo, whose daughter has been carried off by the Achaeans in one of their raids, comes to the camp to ransom her. But she has been assigned, in the division of the booty, to the king who commands the Achaean army, Agamemnon, and he refuses to give her up....
We wish that one word hadn't been used, though we'll soon see it several more times. As Knox continues, he repeats it again and again, but he does explain the background to the first appearance of "the rage of Achilles:"
...he refuses to give her up. Her father prays for help to Apollo, who sends a plague that devastates the Achaean camp. Achilles, leader of the Myrmidons. one of the largest contingents of the Achaean army, summons the chieftains to an assembly. There they are told by the prophet Calchas that the girl must be returned to her father. Agamemnon has to give her up...
Calchas says the girl (or perhaps the young woman) must be returned to Chryses, her father.
That said, the prophet Calchas knows the room. Sacred Homer portrays his fear after Achilles orders him to speak:
"Achilles, dear to Zeus,
you order me to explain Apollo's anger,
the distant deadly Archer? I will tell it all.
But strike a pact with me, swear you will defend me
with all your heart, with words and strength of hand.
For there is a man I will enrage. I see it now,
a powerful man who lords it over all the Argives,
one the Achaeans must obey. A mighty king,
raging against an inferior, is too strong.
Even if he can swallow down his wrath today,
still he will nurse the burning in his chest
until, sooner or later, he sends it bursting forth.
Consider it closely, Achilles. Will you save me?"
And the matchless runner reassured him: "Courage!
Out with it now. Calchas. Reveal the will of god..."
Calchas fears Agamemnon's fury. He knows that Agamemnon will surely seek to punish him for the bad news he's about to deliver.
Here within our own failing world, that same story has played out a thousand times in the past ten years, with careful journalists saying less than they think or know about the principal player. As the overview by Professor Knox continues, it reaches a point on which we moderns might want to focus:
...Agamemnon has to give her up, but he demands compensation for his loss. Achilles objects: let Agamemnon wait until more booty is taken. A violent quarrel breaks out between the two men, and Agamemnon finally announces that he will take recompense for his loss from Achilles, in the form of the girl Briseis, Achilles' share of the booty.
Achilles represses an urge to kill Agamemnon and withdraws from the assembly, threatening to leave for home, with all his troops, the next day. The priest's daughter is restored to him. Apollo puts an end to the plague, and Briseis is taken away from Achilles' tent by Agamemnon's heralds.
The one girl (or young woman) is returned to her father—to Chryses, the priest to Apollo. ("And the priest embraced the child he loved, exultant.")
The other girl (or young woman) is led away by Agamemnon's heralds. Even now, five thousand years later, are young readers of this foundational text invited to understand the nature of the conduct chronicled here?
Patroclus obeyed his great friend's command.
He led Briseis in all her beauty from the lodge
and handed her over to the men to take away.
And the two walked back along the Argive ships
while she trailed on behind, reluctant, every step.
She trailed behind, reluctant, every step of the way. We'd be happier if Homer had dropped the reference to "her beauty" at that juncture.
At any rate, our European literature started right there, with that, with the focus belonging to the subsequent rage of Achilles.
(In the moment, we're told this: "But Achilles wept, and slipping away from his companions, far apart, sat down on the beach of the heaving gray sea and scanned the endless ocean..." To the modern reader, the inanity of this conduct should be clear—or then again, possibly not.)
We also wanted to slip away this week! We wanted to slip away to Homer's unvarnished presentation of Achilles' famous rage—the famous rage which almost sank a thousand ships. We keep finding it hard to do, given the way Homer may perhaps seem to skip past the circumstance of those young women.
At any rate, a similar type of rage—on this occasion, a type of group rage—was on display last week in a Senate hearing room, then again as Robert Kennedy Junior interrupted and insulted Dana Bash.
Should Anthony Fauci, age 85, be hauled off to prison for the rest of his life? A group of rage-filled tribal warriors directly said, or in some cases merely implied, that the answer is yes.
The editorial board at the Wall Street Journal seemed to suggest that these warriors, in their vast and rather performative rage, were perhaps a bit over their skis. Live and direct from the Murdoch realm, the editorial started like this:
Dr. Fauci Takes the Fifth, Alas
Anthony Fauci’s decision to invoke his Fifth Amendment right not to incriminate himself before the Senate on Wednesday is a shame. The public could have benefited from his exchanges with Senators, even if they would have been contentious.
Sen. Rand Paul has been investigating the government’s response to Covid, and Dr. Fauci was at the center of the decisions to close schools and lock down the economy for months. President Biden granted Dr. Fauci a pre-emptive pardon, but Mr. Paul said that wouldn’t protect him if he lies to Congress.
Dr. Fauci blamed the Senator for an “unhinged obsession” with him and decided on silence as a strategy. Mr. Paul is too set on criminalizing policy differences in our view, and Dr. Fauci doesn’t belong in jail on any evidence we’ve seen...
Tomorrow, we'll try to return to the rage of the GOP solons. We also want to show you what was said on the Gutfeld! program—by Kat Timpf and by the blowhard Tyrus, but also by the nut-ball Gutfeld himself, and by Emily Compagno (again).
Homer described the rage of Agamemnon, and that of Achilles, with no attempt to hide the madness put on display by these powerful men.
It may have helped that they didn't exist! That said, he never directly seemed to suggest that there's a problem with the theft of the people who happen to be vibrant girls or young women for the obvious reason.
We still struggle with that topic today, and with the rage of disordered men who insist on having their way.
Tomorrow: Republican Solons Gone Wild
Dr. Fauci is a hero in my book. His years of service, particularly his efforts against AIDS, were an enormous contribution to the health of all Americans, and all people in general. On a personal note, Fauci's mentor, Dr. Donald Louria, was my wife's boss, a friend of ours, and a terrific human being.
ReplyDeleteSo, I was saddened to see this hero commit the unheroic act of taking the fifth. He deprived the Amirian public of information that would be useful to us.
Smart heroes don't do stupid shit, like give dishonest people with power the opportunity to define what a "lie" is, with legal consequences for the hero. Instead of worrying about "heroes," focus on the villains in this story, of which there are many: and ALL of them belong to one side.
DeleteGo take a flying fuck, David
DeleteAs has been pointed out before, Fauci has been asked and answered the same questions before. Do you honestly think the Republicans would’ve accepted any answer other than the ones that they were trying to force him to give? They treated this “hero” as if he were the devil incarnate.
DeleteThe Republicans would have to accept his answers @11:49, As long as he answered truthfully, which I’m sure he would, there’s nothing the Republicans could do to him,
DeleteIn recorded interviews with journalist Bob Woodward for his 2020 book Rage, President Donald Trump privately acknowledged that COVID-19 was airborne, highly contagious, and "more deadly than even your strenuous flus". However, Trump admitted on tape that he deliberately chose to publicly downplay the severity of the virus to prevent national panic.
DeleteTrump said: “So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. Because we won the state.”
Delete“Well, Mr President, the challenge that you have is, the data you have is wrong.”
Grab 'em by the pussy, David.
"As long as he answered truthfully, which I’m sure he would, there’s nothing the Republicans could do to him"
DeleteTell that to Comey and David Hearn and Lisa Cook and everyone else the Trump DOJ has brought phony-baloney charges against.
Still gullible, after all these years.
At this point only a no-life troll would pretend there is such a thing as immutable truth in today's political environment, with today's press corps, and today's Republican Party. The truth is whatever they can get away with, for however long they can get away with it. They'd love nothing more than to get a nice, long run of diversionary news coverage spotlighting Fauci and his "legal troubles." Even assuming they lost the case(s), it would rile up their hillbilly voters, and Fauci would have to spend a fortune on legal costs. It would be all benefit, no cost for them.
DeleteI love Dr. Fauci. He is a hero to me. Therefore, I agree it is only right that a mountebank cretin like Rand Paul torture Fauci for the remaining years of his life in order to try to save the midterms.
DeleteI am David, the dumbest fuck on this blog.
It is kind of amusing that David "wants the Truth" while lying about who is wife is and who his friends are.
DeleteNo, David has never met Louria and that person was not his wife's boss.
David is a troll, nothing he says is factual, accurate, or genuine.
Wasn't David suggesting that Dr. Fauci's mentor should be brought in for questioning too? That's how I read it.
DeleteWhat the hell are you talking about? What “mentor”?
DeleteNo it was just David's weirdo way of trying to "own the libs" by smugly making up fake nonsense about himself and his supposed family.
DeleteTrump is flailing and failing, David is just trying to cope.
"On a personal note, Fauci's mentor, Dr. Donald Louria, was my wife's boss, a friend of ours, and a terrific human being." David in Cal said that.
DeleteFauci is in his 80’s - do you honestly believe his mentor is alive and has anything to contribute to Senator Paul’s show trial?
Delete5:13 There is plenty wrong with DiC's statements without specifically interpreting the one you point out as being in the present tense. My mentor in science is long since dead.
DeleteI was responding to the person @ 3:57 who thought David was suggesting the mentor be brought before the Senate to testify in the present. That is crazy.
DeleteSo is doing that to Fauci.
DeleteLouria obituary https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/nytimes/name/donald-louria-obituary?id=14069327
Delete"He deprived the Amirian public of information that would be useful to us." (sic)
DeleteFauci has stated that he had testified before or briefed House and Senate committees more than 200 times over his nearly 40-year career. How much information do you need?
Holy cow, when I read “watcher of the skies”, my mind instantly transported to the the Genesis song of the same name, from their Foxtrot album. After a little research, it turns out that they caged that title from the very same Keats poem that Bob cites. I had no fuckin’ idea.
ReplyDeletePretty cool!
Leroy
cadged not caged
DeleteBruce Springsteen took Hungry Heart from Tennyson.
DeleteLike most endeavors, music is built upon previous work.
DeleteWhat a revelation!
MS NOW are devoted to the idea that the apparent mental illness of our leaders must be normalized, ignored, disappeared.
ReplyDeleteThis is pure horseshit.
So true. His mental illness is a given on that network. Assumed. Known. And yes reported.
DeleteJust yesterday:
DeleteOn Deadline: White House, Nicolle Wallace highlighted The Atlantic's Tom Nichols regarding Donald Trump's detachment from reality. Wallace quoted Nichols' warning that Trump is encased in "the hard amber of irrationality," noting that his growing separation from reality presents severe dangers.
Somerby is critical of Nicholle Wallace in general. He may not follow her show, assuming that anything he doesn't see/hear is disappearing, normalizing, ignoring Trump's apparent mental illness.
DeleteOur friend Bob has a little mental illness of his own.
Delete“By way of contrast, major news orgs like the New York Times and MS NOW are devoted to the idea that the apparent mental illness of our leaders must be normalized, ignored, disappeared.”
ReplyDeleteNote that Somerby now expands the mental illness to “leaders”, not just Trump apparently. The news media discusses the corruption, the incompetence, the deliberate cruelty, but Somerby gets exercised that they don’t talk about the “apparent” mental illness of our “leaders” (Who has been added to Somerby’s list? Aside from Trump, is it now RFK, is it Vance, is it the Republican senators,?), as if these things are less important to Somerby than some exculpatory explanation of “mental illness”, as if the corruption etc flowed from mental illness, which Somerby says we must pity.
And “for the record”, O’Donnell has constantly discussed Trump‘s mental illness, he’s had Mary Trump on, Bandy Lee, Lance Dodes, etc and many others. Somerby knows this good and well.
A good antidote to the Iliad would be “The Trojan Women” by Euripides.
ReplyDeleteEuripides was woke.
Delete3 Women is a curiously compelling Altman film.
DeleteSomerby is making a weird point of referring to the mentions of a girl in text as "perhaps a young woman."
ReplyDeleteHere are the definitions of the words girl and woman:
woman: an adult female person
girl: a young female human, usually a child or an adolescent
developmentalists divide childhood up as follows:
"Childhood unfolds through five major developmental periods: newborns (birth to 2 months), infants (2 months to 1 year), toddlers (1 to 3 years), preschool age (3 to 5 years), and school age (6 to 12 years), followed by adolescence (13-18 years)."
Beyond that, the stages are:
"early adulthood (18 to 40 years), middle adulthood (40 to 65 years), and late adulthood (65 years and older)."
Girl and young woman are not synonyms. A girl is someone aged 0 to 18 years old, because she is a child until she becomes recognized as an adult. A young woman is a woman (an adult) between the ages of 18 to 40 years. Note that these are also the years of childbearing. A pregnancy after age 40 is considered "geriatric" and "high risk". Middle adulthood and late adulthood are not defined by menopause but by age ranges.
Men who think young girls should be sexually available redefine adolescents as young women, in order to imply that they should have a choice about sexual activity. Our society does not do that in its laws, medical or educational settings, because it is harmful to girls to treat them like adult women when they do not have the resources or capacity, nor the physical and psychological maturity to perform that role.
It is not flattering to adult women to be called girls or young women (when meant as a euphemism for adolescents). It is demeaning because it ignores the maturity and capabilities of adults, infantalizing and reducing women to the status of children. It comes across as patronizing and demonstrates a desire to dominate and control the actions of women.
Men seem to consider being young a trait that should be recognized and praised, but actual adult women consider their maturity to be a strength, not a liability. The idea that only youth can be attractive is another male assumption based on their own sexual attraction (which should not aimed at children). It inflicts unrealistic demands on women that they should appear as young as possible via artificial means (cosmetics, surgery, exercise regimens) and not appear their existing age because aging is somehow a bad thing for women but not men. Women are placed in competition with each other, by men, based on their appearance, which is in turn governed by age and weight. It is normal to gain weight as a person ages, so age and weight are confounded and both are considered negatives by men viewing women as sexual objects.
Women who are married or in happy relationships can ignore these expectations, and many do.
Children of both sexes were taken as slaves during the times described by Homer.
DeleteI recommend Kate Manne's work for a discussion of fatphobia and body reflexivity (the idea that our bodies exist for ourselves and not to please others or conform to societal rules):
Deletehttps://www.katemanne.net/unshrinking.html
The biological definition of an adult is not only about being able to bear babies, but being "fully grown." If you see the differences between an 18 year old and a 30 year old woman in size, shape and appearance it is obvious that the 30 year old is very different from the same person at age 18. The invisible changes that occur include thinking and reasoning, confidence, understanding of the world, sense of their own identity, responsibility for themselves and control over their own behavior, and higher level reasoning, knowledge and wisdom. Both men and women do not attain full maturity of thought until age 25, then there is a gradual decline in mental processing (reaction time, memory retrieval speed) until age 65. Semantic knowledge (vocabulary, facts, new skills) increases steadily even in late adulthood (65+).
DeleteTo the extent that men prefer adolescents to adult women, they often consider the younger females to be easier targets of sexual availability, easier to manipulate and control, less able to compare them to other men due to their limited experience. That is a despicable motive for targeting girls, given the liabilities to child-adult sexual relationships and the effects of having babies at too young an age. Men are either selfish and do not consider this or they rationalize it away.
Child-adult sex is bad for boys too and it is illegal in our society because of the recognition that it is preying on immature individuals unable to protect themselves and is harmful, regardless of consent (which a child is unable to give, under the law). Use of alcohol or drugs to circumvent consent with adult women is illegal, for the same reasons -- the woman cannot protect herself while her faculties are impaired and the consequences to her can be severe.
It astonishes me that Somerby does not know the definitions given that he once taught middle school. Did he fatuously refer to his students as "young women"? Is it helpful for a male teacher to encourage 12-13 year old girls to think of themselves as women, when they have so far to go before the term applies? It tends to make the less protected girls prey to pedophiles who hang around middle schools looking for girls with low self-esteem to groom for prostitution or other abuse.
DeleteEpstein and his crew promised such girls they could become models, taught them how to behave seductively, then raped them and pimped them out to wealthy men. Calling such girls "young women" may seem innocent but it reflects a subcuture among men who take the words more literally, abusing unfortunate children with under-developed minds and emotions.
Somerby should not want to be any part of this, but he doesn't give that impression when he deliberately and repeatedly subtitutes Young Woman for Girl in his reading of Homer. Why does Somerby assume the translation of the Greek word for girl was incorrect in his quotes? Greeks abused women in all sorts of ways. Whitewashing it, and then complaining that our press whitewashes Trump's insanity, seem like two versions of the same thing.
This kind of jihad against an innocuous term like "young woman" is one example why so many people think leftists are batty, and why these people then vote for Republicans.
DeleteThe trolls here are fine with it but most will find Somerby's sexism creepy af.
DeleteDG, how do you call the term "young woman" innocuous after reading all the reasons why it is inappropriately applied to 12-13 year olds?
DeleteThe definitions quoted come from developmental psychologists and pediatrics, not lefties. Is this another example of Republicans being against science?
“many people think leftists are batty, and why these people then vote for Republicans.”
DeleteYou are lumping in anyone “on the left” with the Democratic Party, DG, you know, the party affiliation that candidates actually run under? The republicans I’m sure are happy to see you equate the two. And yet you turn around here in the comment section and plead with people, “please they’re not all racists, the others!”
It seems idiotic to me as well, for a voter to think “this Democratic candidate is saying, we need to bring prices down, we need to make healthcare affordable, we need to stop the corruption, but that one ‘leftist’ over there said something about young women or Latinx, I guess I’ll have to vote for the corrupt lying assholes.”
Stop expecting DG to offer coherent evidence-based assertions, DG's thing is to troll via lame insults.
DeleteObviously, those on our side see many differences among ourselves. Those on the other side, however, are encouraged to look upon us as undifferentiated Others. So when any one of us rattles on about how calling someone a "young woman" is a means for men to normalize sexual relations with female children, those on the other side just roll their eyes. It serves to confirm their stereotypical beliefs about how ridiculous we all are.
Delete"DG's thing is to troll via lame insults"
DeleteAgain, the lack of self-awareness is stunning.
Obviously.🙄
DeleteNo one minds if actual young women are called young women. That isn’t what Somerby did. Mischaracterizing an argument you are criticizing is dishonest.
DeleteTransgender for everyone.
ReplyDeleteYou first.
DeleteFew have transitioned themselves more than MAGA, with men wearing makeup and fake tans and hair implants and lifts, and women exaggerating their features (lips, jaws, chest etc) until they become "masculine" in a sort of horseshoe effect.
DeleteMuch of this comes from MAGA men suffering from latent traits of being gay or bisexual and their self disgust over these perfectly natural and healthy orientations.
"We still struggle with that topic today, and with the rage of disordered men who insist on having their way."
ReplyDeleteRage is an extreme version of anger. It arises when someone feels they have been harmed or hurt in some way. Does Somerby not see a difference between justified rage when a person has actually been harmed and the anger someone might feel simply by being opposed, obstructed in having their way?
Agamemnon was harmed by having his wife stolen from him. That seems like justified anger to me. Why does Agamemnon not see the similiarity when the priest wants his daughter back, after she was stolen from him and given to Agamemnon? The priest also seems to be justified in his anger.
Trump is not justified in his rage or anger. He has had nothing stolen from him (not the election in 2020) and he assumes he is entitled to things he realistically does not deserve or own (Nobel Peace Prize, trophies won by other teams, golf championships he has cheated to win). His rage at being thwarted does not arise from any realistic expectation. Because his perceptions of reality are skewed, he feels rage because of his beliefs, not any real ownership or deservedness. His rage is real, but we would say it is unfounded. That makes the rage of Trump mentally deranged while the rage of Agamemnon is not.
It is wrong for Somerby to equate the two. Somerby's belief that rage itself is at fault is also ridiculous. Emotions tell us where we stand in relation to experience and our environment. They arise over situations with survival consequences. Getting angry over a hurt, harm or wrong done to us motivates action to change the situation. Such a situation is obvious dangerous to a person because it threatens their survival. Failure to address such wrongs can be fatal and may permit additional harm, so engaging in behavior to prevent, redress, attack or otherwise change what is happening is motivated by the anger. Emotions cause hormone balances to change, preparing the autonomic nervous system to support fight, flight, and other physiological acts related to events in the environment.
A rational person would examine the source of their rage and determine whether it is realistic and justified, warranting action, or something they should talk themselves down from and calm themselves. Sustained rage is bad for the body.
Somerby doesn't seem to understand much about rage, despite being an ardent reader of Homer. Was it possible that Homer himself didn't understand rage either? It worries me when adult men like Somerby become obsessed with a poem about a bunch of men who engage in violent behavior without understanding their own motives. Fauci has nothing to do with rage, although he has a right to be very angry about the hearing. Rand Paul is not experiencing rage but he is attempting to harm Fauci for political reasons. Trump feels a lot of rage, all the time, because his ego needs cannot ever be satisfied, even when he gets all the trophies. He is not physically well, not mentally well, and our foolish nation has given him the power to use his rage to harm others. We the people feel rage when we are hurt by Trump's actions. I believe that is justified, even if we cannot do much to protect ourselves, beyond voting differently in the midterms and 2028. Rage is meant to motivate action. I hope ALL voters will find a way to address the harms that are creating justified rage among the citizenry.
"Agamemnon was harmed by having his wife stolen from him."
DeleteWrong.
How so?
Delete"No, Agamemnon's wife, Clytemnestra, was not stolen. It was actually Agamemnon's sister-in-law and cousin, Helen of Troy, who was stolen (or eloped) with the Trojan prince Paris, triggering the Trojan War. Helen was married to Agamemnon's brother, Menelaus."
DeleteSo why was Agamemnon so filled with rage then?
Because of his inability to deal with Zeus's law.
DeleteI am resisting reading the Iliad. I don't want to read Keats either, for many of the same reasons. Somerby seems to be letting excerpts from various sources substitute for his own words and thought. To those of us who do not want to read a lengthy poem glorifying combat, there seems to be no entry to whatever Somerby thinks about Fauci. It won't be very long before I decide that I don't care what Somerby thinks or says about anything because he has gone over Niagara Falls himself, without a barrell and it is too much work to make sense out his nonsensical garbage.
DeleteWhy read a poem about madness when dealing with the madness all around us is bad enough?
"So why was Agamemnon so filled with rage then?"
DeleteAgamemnon was filled with rage because he was pressured to give up Chryseis, the sex slave he had kidnapped from a neighboring village.
Really? But that isn't why he traveled to Troy is it? I thought that was about Helen.
DeleteNo wonder Somerby loves this poem!
DeleteHe thinks it condones sex with young girls.
Delete3:30 -- "So you have no frame of reference here, Donny. You're like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie and wants to know..."
DeleteAgamemnon was irritated that he had to surrender Chryseis; his rage mainly came from humiliation, from being publicly blamed for the plague in front of the assembled army, and from Achilles challenging Agamemnon's hierarchy of formal authority with Achilles' own hierarchy of individual excellence (within the aristocratic realm).
DeleteBoth men are obsessed with status, Agamemnon has political authority so his rage can manifest via coercion and he forces Achilles to give up Briseis, whereas Achilles can merely withdraw his military might. And this petty dispute comes at the expense of everyone else.
Agamemnon was also pretty upset that his brother's wife was taken, propagating the whole affair of the Iliad, so 2:22's well said points stand, whereas the "well actually" trolls look silly and themselves petty.
Because stories provide little insight into human nature but instead tend to be weaponized for dominance, here is some science for the trolls:
https://youtu.be/IgwX1nP-oiM?si=uPyFbbv42J2tm3ru
Summary:
Sergey Gavrilets – On the evolutionary origins of the egalitarian syndrome
May 14, 2012 @ 12:00 am
Sergey Gavrilets: University of Tennessee
Humans exhibit strong egalitarian syndrome, i.e. the complex of cognitive perspectives, ethical principles, social norms, and individual and collective attitudes promoting equality. The universality of egalitarianism in hunter-gatherers suggests that it is an ancient, evolved human pattern. The evolutionary emergence of this syndrome is one of the most intriguing unsolved puzzles related to the origins of modern humans. Using simple mathematical models I will explore possible routes for two important aspects of egalitarian behavior: the transition from promiscuity to pair-bonding and coalitionary control of bullies.
Hunter-gatherers look down on farmers and city-dwellers.
DeleteThat isn’t what egalitarian means.
Delete"RAGE: Should Dr. Fauci be shipped off to jail?"
ReplyDeleteSomerby says the Wall Street Journal says "no," but why doesn't Somerby himself say no too? Shouldn't someone have been convicted of some crime before being jailed?
Did Fauci do anything that would be considered criminal? Aren't jail sentences a criminal penalty?
AI says: ""The law is reason free from passion" is a famous quote attributed to the ancient Greek philosopher Aristotle. It means that justice should be objective, logical, and fair, rather than driven by temporary emotions, anger, or personal bias." So why does Somerby conflate the emotion of rage with dispassionate justice? The point of law is to prevent rage from influencing such decisions.
Fauci's crime was to want to prevent the spread of Covid, but that interfered with Republicans wanting to attend church and their weirdo parties, plus Republicans balked at being told what to do by a science nerd, and the whole thing made God look evil, so that bothered them as well.
DeleteIt would have been so much easier if Fauci could have just thrown a massive tantrum and ended covid there and then. That's what Trump attempted. Step 1 tantrum, Step 2 declare covid over, Step 3 stop recording cases and using PPE, open up businesses.
DeleteIt was all fun and games when the maggots installed a monumentally incompetent baboon in the WH to do his racist shit and generally entertain the country with his foul offensive nature, but then a real health crisis hit the country and the real estate fraud panicked that it would ruin his chances for a second term so he had bullshit the country, cause that is his only talent.
Delete"Tomorrow, we'll try to return to the rage of the GOP solons."
ReplyDeleteFrom Wikipedia:
"Solon was an archaic Athenian statesman, lawmaker, political philosopher (philosopher in an etymological sense), and poet. He is credited with laying the foundations for Athenian democracy. Solon's efforts to legislate against political, economic and moral decline resulted in his constitutional reform overturning most of Draco's laws."
"Draco's laws were the first written legal code of Athens, created around 621 BCE by the lawgiver Draco. Commissioned to stop unfair aristocratic rule and bloody family feuds, the code became famous for its extreme harshness, punishing even minor crimes with death and giving us the modern word "draconian"."
Colloquially, solon means: "a wise and skillful lawgiver."
I do not believe there are any solons in the GOP. There are none supporting democracy and none opposing unjust laws, the way Solon himself did. There are no wise and skillful legislators on the right because they have all been captured by Trump or gone underground and the Congress is no longer functioning as a legislative body.
Perhaps this is Somerby being sarcastic, but for most readers (who do not look any of this up), it will sound like a positive remark, even a compliment. It is a totally inappropriate word given the persecution of Fauci. Perhaps Somerby thinks he is being sly when he sneaks these words into his essays without explanation, but it is mostly deceitful given that he will not express any opinions in plain language and does not say what he actually thinks about Fauci or Rand Paul or the right wing talking points he advances daily. Today's talking point is that Fauci belongs in jail because "rage".
"I do not believe there are any solons in the GOP"
DeleteThere you go again...speaking the truth.
Appreciate it.
Also, another talking point is that we blues cause the rage on the right by calling them sexist and racist when they do and say sexist and racist stuff. So we deserve whatever Fauci gets.
DeleteAgree, Somerby wants to impart a strategy that harms Dems and serves Republicans, and he thinks he'll win over Dems to this bad advice by falsely claiming to be "liberal".
Delete"It may have helped that they didn't exist! That said, he [Homer] never directly seemed to suggest that there's a problem with the theft of the people who happen to be vibrant girls or young women for the obvious reason [rape].
ReplyDeleteWe still struggle with that topic today, and with the rage of disordered men who insist on having their way."
No, we do not struggle with that topic today because the question of whether 13-14 yo girls should be raped is settled -- they should not. the only ones struggling with child sex are the monsters who prey on children. The rest of society is clear that this is illegal. The problem is that wealthy pedophiles decided they were exempt from law after paying Epstein and later the Tates to pimp 13 year olds, and they are now being exposed for what they did. Trump is lining his pockets with bribes in exchange for hiding the crimes of wealthy men without morals, including himself [Trump is credibly accused by at least two 13 year olds]. That coverup is both illegal and morally wrong. There is NO "struggle" other than the wealthy and powerful using government to shield themselves from justice, after confrontation by their victims.
The manosphere, alt-right fascists and pedophiles who have allied themselves behind monsters like Trump, Epstein and the Tates are not part of a societal struggle. They are criminals, lawbreakers, psychopaths who do not care about any victims, who are being made into martyrs and heroes by complicit men with power and money. Girls of 13-14 are the definition of the powerless in our society. Our failure to protect them and expose their rapists is the shame of Trump's second term.
Somerby saying that we still struggle over child sex is like saying our society still struggles over whether murder is OK. Just because there are still deviants who murder, doesn't mean our society condones murder. Somerby needs to get his head straight about this. Few of us want to engage with the kind of men who think sex with children is A-OK, whether legal or not. Somerby's sly hints about Antonia don't fool his readers any more.
This looks like the daily right wing talking point being advanced by Somerby today -- that child sex is a complex issue that we should struggle over, not put men in jail for calling girls "young women" in order to pretend they are legitimate sex objects.
DeleteIt gives me such a rush of moral superiority when I call someone a "sexist" that I do not care if the unintended consequence is Republican control of the Presidency, Congress, and the Supreme Court! So, I think I'll start calling people "sexist" for using innocuous terms such as "young woman."
DeleteDG, you seem to be deliberately resisting learning something important. That's on you.
DeleteSomerby isn't only using the term "young women" but he is suggesting that Homer intended that meaning when his work is translated as saying "girl".
When the right is doing immoral things, shouldn't those complaining about it be assumed to be against that immorality, rather than seeking some sort of rush of superiority by pointing out the abuse?
This is like saying that we Dems only defend Fauci to get a rush of moral superiority, not because the guy doesn't deserve to be mistreated by Rand Paul.
Feminists are concern about more than just calling men sexists when we complain that they are sexualizing young teens in order to rape them. We are concerned about the rape and the damage done to those girls. All of us know someone this has happened to and we know what the consequences are for the girls. You make yourself seem like an asshole when you try to reduce this to nothing more than the desire of the left to feel morally superior.
If I cry because my dog died, it is because of the loss of companionship, the pain and suffering of the dog, not because I miss the chance to feel superior to a lesser species. You are a real piece of work, DG.
DG is threatening us. He is saying that if we object to our girls being raped then Republicans will take over the govt in retribution. Are there really that many pedophiles in Congress and Trump's administration?
Delete3:55 - Do you feel a nice rush of righteous contempt when you call me "asshole"?
Delete80% of violent crime is committed by men. 98 to 99% of rape and or sexual assault is committed by men. It seems to me our society has a man problem, but if a leftist mentions that, that means that you have to vote for a Republican, according to DG. from these statistics, you might understand why it is an actual ongoing project in the Republican Party to overlook these things. Spousal abuse? You’ve got the job, Mr. Miller. The Tates? They love Trump!
DeleteDG's inability to understand what those who call him "asshole" are feeling seems to exemplify the lack of empathy on the right.
DeleteWhether someone calls you an asshole for calling a person a "young woman" depends on whether she actually is a young woman (18+) or is a teenager (<18) or maybe one of a bunch of 65 year old women being called "young ladies" when they are not. When the word doesn't fit the person, it isn't flattering, it is demeaning or sexually inappropriate (for young teens).
Incels and other guys in the manosphere complain that women don't like them, but too many display attitudes like DG, refusing to hear what women say and superimposing their own desires onto those of the women they are trying to relate to.
DG, you can insist on your right to refer to women any way you please, calling them "young women" if you want, no matter what their age, but you will suffer the consequences, which are that women won't like you. You will label yourself as someone inconsiderate, not paying attention to them as individuals, insensitive to problems that women and girls experience in their interactions with men. You will self-label as an asshole, and yes, most women are alert to such cues and avoid the assholes. When the manosphere spends time complaining to each other about how unreasonable women are, refusing to pay attention to the reactions of others, they are creating a lot of their own problems. But like DG, they are not open to solving them. They would rather use force or lies, pickup lines, or seek out teenagers, than treat women like people.
Spot on 4:49.
DeleteIf the shoe fits....
"DG, you can insist on your right to refer to women any way you please"
DeleteI did not assert any right to refer to women any way I please. That is false. What I suggested is that calling someone a "sexist" for using the term "young woman" is over the top and counterproductive.
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DeleteI asked a racist sexist maggot neighbor if he would vote democrat if I stop calling Somerby a pedophile and he said “no”.
DeleteAnd just to put this in perspective, all this brouhaha is about whether applying the term "young woman" to a fictional character, Chryseis, whose age we don't know, is a typical means that pedophile men will use to normalize sexual relations with female children, so that we can draw the inference that Somerby is a pedophile, too.
DeleteSomerby kept substituting young woman for girl, repeatedly. Why do that — he must have a reason. The text was translated as girl. Why change it as Somerby did, deliberately?
DeleteDG if you don’t understand after all this explanation, you are hopeless. Enjoy your life.
DeleteWhat women prefer is over the top and counterproductive. That’s why you are a Republican. Not all men feel that way.
Delete"80% of violent crime is committed by men. "
Delete90% of world exploration, invention, military defense, engineering, and artistic achievement has been committed by a men.
There's no man problem. If it weren't for men, you would not be able to do anything you've ever done in your entire life.
Men and men alone created the world that allows these feminists of whom you speak to freely conceive and transmit these idiotic ideas.
DeleteTrump was not credibly accused by at least two 13 year olds. Why are you lying?
DeleteI remember now. You're trolling! Good job.
Delete"80% of violent crime is committed by men."
DeleteMost of it committed against other men! Most of it policed and prosecuted by men! Good times.
“Who is more likely to be a crime victim depends heavily on the specific type of crime. Males are more likely to be victims of overall violent crime and homicide, whereas females are significantly more likely to be victims of sexual assault and domestic violence.”
DeleteDuh.
Delete80% of violent crime is committed by men."
DeleteMost of it is committed against other men. Most of it is policed and prosecuted by other men.
Most of the violent crime is committed by men. Most of the bridges are built and maintained by men. Most of the power grids are conceived, built and maintained by men. Same with highways and advances in medicine, weather, technology, physics, architecture, engineering, the arts. Most of it is done by men.
DeleteAre you going to microwave some popcorn? Everything involved with that was invented and brought to you by men. The device you're using to communicate this was conceived, invented, manufactured and distributed by men. It's a man's world.
DeleteThe freedom you have to say anything you want was brought to you by men. The safety you have to live your life alone was brought to you by men. All the laws of the liberal society in which you live were conceived and brought forth by men.
DeleteAre you going to take a plane to a bridge tournament? Everything about that flight was conceived and executed by men.
DeleteAre you going to get LASIK surgery? That was invented and brought to you by men.
DeleteIsn't it fun to be on the internet? If it was not for men, you wouldn't be able to do it.
DeleteSounds like a huge man problem. ;)
DeleteSo, inventing the microwave gets men off the hook for violence and sexual assault? I don’t think so. And if you’re going to argue that anything and everything of value was created by men, then you also have to acknowledge that men created the weapons that can destroy the entire world. They’ve waged all the wars the world has ever known. They were responsible for slavery and mass murder and the holocaust, etc., etc. etc.
DeleteThe world would probably be a better place without violence and sexual assault. Regardless of whether a man supposedly invented the microwave.
“Most of it committed against other men! ”
DeleteAh, so no worries then. It’s all good.
Women created all the men in the world.
DeleteYes of course. Exactly. Men have created the greatest things in our culture and produced its most despicable horrors.
DeleteMen are mass murderers who build and use bombs, sexually assault and rape women and other men and create cathedrals, skyscrapers, symphonies and land on the moon.
Men are, like life itself, tremendously paradoxical. They create and destroy. They free and enslave. They make love and make war.
I have been raped by a man. There's no Utopia around the corner. Sexual assault and rape will always be with us and will never go away. It's a part of humanity. .Act accordingly.
Yes, that's why motherhood is one of the most powerful institutions in civilization. It's the foundation of civilization. In addition to her sexuality, it's what gives women such significant cultural power over men.
Deletebitches be bitches
DeleteLet's talk about Max Miller, who is refusing to end his campaign because Trump got away with all his misdeeds, so why shouldn't he?
ReplyDeleteThis is a guy who has a two year old daughter. He deliberately withheld her comfort object (the stuffed animal she sleeps with) to punish his ex-wife who was divorcing him. What kind of man punishes his own child in order to get back at his ex? His excuse -- it was only for two days. He is also being accused of violent and nasty stuff against several different women, but this bit of cruelty to his own daughter reveals his character fully, as far as I'm concerned. Why do right wingers think a guy like this is electable?
Somerby thinks there is some question about whether sex between 12-13 year old girls and adult men is harmful. The only way this is tenable is if the harms to the girls are ignored. It is apparently possible for certain men to ignore the suffering of others, but that should not be their actions permissible. The only ones "struggling" over this are the men who want those girls to be sexually available to them. The girls are not advocating for this, nor are any adult women. Should men have whatever they want sexually, because they have more power than others? Too many wealthy men think that might makes right when it comes to women and children too.
If men don't want women to feel morally superior and attach unpleasant labels to their behavior, they need to develop some empathy for others, conform their behavior to the law, and support the autonomy of women. Republicans don't support women's civil rights or women's issues (such as better health care, inclusion in medical research, equal pay, access to jobs and education). Women can see that they are insincere about protecting children from predators like Epstein and Trump. It is hard to see how any woman can vote Republican in the midterms and 2028. I suspect that many will tell their husbands they are voting Republican while actually voting for the politicians who stand up for families, children and women's needs.
Why couldn’t the child’s mother buy a new toy?
DeleteYou don’t have a two-year-old do you?
DeleteWhen I was three years old, my brothers destroyed my teddy bear. I got over it.
DeleteAt 63 years old.
DeleteTime heals all wounds.
DeleteCongratulations to King Chickenshit on his fluffy new hairpiece!
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