DAYS OF IMPEACHMENT: These stupidifications are Trumpism too!

FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 22, 2019

The problem we now live with:
Our view? In a pair of complementary columns today, Krugman and Brooks have gone a long way toward describing The Problem We Now Live With.

Having canceled Thanksgiving plans, we plan to explore that problem next week. That said, one part of the problem involves the spectacular dumbness which has long characterized the analytical work which emerged from Our Own Tribal Side.

That spectacular dumbness is Trumpism too; it was dominant long before Trump. Much of it comes from the upper-end press, much from academia.

One example of the genre appears today in the New York Times, where Vanessa Friedman has been unloosed again.

What you see here is Trumpism too. No intelligent animal species would ever put nonsense like this into print:
FRIEDMAN (11/22/19): Not that Colonel Vindman and Mr. Jordan were the only participants dressing for a fight. They were simply the most obvious.

While Mr. Kent’s bow tie got most of the viewing attention during his appearance, his three-piece suit was equally notable. All five buttons of the vest were tightly buttoned,
even though men’s wear rules tend to dictate that the bottom button be left undone, as it is in a suit jacket.

The vest formed a kind of extra protective layer for the witness, just as the silk scarf guarding the neck of Marie L. Yovanovitch, the former ambassador to Ukraine, demanded a closer look. Reportedly a traditional design from Hermès known as the Grand Uniforme, created in 1955, it featured a pattern of gold helmets and what looked surprisingly like swords.

Elaborate, almost Napoleonic hilts, with tassels and ropes and other elements of martial pageantry. As if there were any doubt that a woman who started her testimony paying homage to her fellow diplomats in “hardship” positions, a woman of calm, carefully considered answers, did not anticipate what weapons may be deployed.

There was more...
In sacred Homer's two great poems, we humans occasionally form our judgments based on the flight of birds. Almost three thousand years later, our leading newspaper isn't embarrassed to put this lunacy into print—lunacy in which the newspapers' fashion director and chief fashion critic seems to suggest that George Kent wore a three=piece suit last week because the vest would "form a kind of extra protective layer" in the fight for which he'd supposedly dressed.

This is undisguised lunacy. So is Friedman's return to the apparent meaning of Ambassador Yovanovich's scarf, still reportedly "a traditional design from Hermès known as the Grand Uniforme, created in 1955."

Meanwhile, Friedman is counting buttons again, a return to the astounding practice so widespread from November 1999 at least through February 2000, when the number of buttons (three) on Candidate Gore's disturbing suit jackets were a sign of his smarmy, sailor-like attempts to entice female voters.

Chris Matthews fashioned the craziest commentary on this troubling matter; Brian Williams kept the lunacy going into the spring of 2000. At one point, Arianna Huffington even sewed an additional button on the candidate's disturbing suit jackets. Here she was, om Geraldo's nightly MSNBC show, speaking to Al Franken:
HUFFINGTON (11/9/99): When you are talking about a consultant that you bring on to give opinions on how to dress and whether you're an alpha male and how do you become a beta male— Frankly, you know, what is fascinating is that the way he's now dressing makes a lot of people feel disconnected from him. And there was this marvelous story in one of the New Hampshire papers saying, “Nobody here—nobody here in Hanover, New Hampshire, wears tan suits with blue shirts.” You know, it's just—and buttons—all four buttons! You know, it's not just—it's just not the way most American males dress.
For a fuller treatment, click here.

For the record, Candidate Gore wore no four-button suits. But Arianna was hitting all the themes prevalent at that time, including the slimiest theme of them all—the claim that the candidate wasn't quite like "mot American males," hint hint hint hint hint.

(The candidate had "hired a woman to teach him how to be a man." So pundits declared, again and again,. "Feminists" and "liberals" were too dumb, too somnolent, too uncaring to voice a word of complaint. Feminism wasn't hip as yet.)

That was insanity then; Friedman is crazy today. Additionally, that was unvarnished Trumpism.

Trumpism was in the saddle and ruling humankind long before Trump himself came on the political scene. The inanity of these ruling elites—inanity which was driving the discourse decades ago—is one major part of The Problem We All Currently Live with.

Are we humans really "the rational animal," the noble though laughable story line our tribunes have long advanced? Truthfully, no, we've never been anything like that! Here's more nonsense from Friedman today, in our most brainiac newspaper:
FRIEDMAN: There is a reason that both the bow tie of George P. Kent, the State Department official and witness, and the jacket of Representative Jim Jordan, ended up with their own Twitter accounts. (The bow tie actually has two.)

There is a reason that everyone became fixated on the seeming twinkle in Ambassador Gordon D. Sondland’s eye, the smile that seemed to play around his lips. They undermined the card-carrying-member-of-the-establishment messaging of his dark suit and subtly patterned Republican red tie, just as his testimony undermined the no-quid-pro-quo White House story line.
Crazily, Friedman seems to believe that "everyone" became fixated on Sondland's seeming twinkle. The impulse to move to such ridiculous sweeping statements is a marker of The Widespread Mental Incompetence We All Currently Live With.

Friedman's work is Trumpism too, as is much of the work which appears in the Times. (Additional posts to follow.) And it's a shame that so much folderol gets churned by our most brainiac newspaper, because these Days of Impeachment called for our most careful analytical work.

Did you receive such work on cable TV? Let's consider the way Rachel Maddow introduced these days of impeachment.

Last Tuesday night, November 12, the excitement was building. The hearings would begin the next day—and at the start of her nightly TV show, the multimillionaire "cable news" star started setting the scene:
MADDOW (11/12/19): And thanks to you at home for joining us this hour as well.

Here at MSNBC, we work closely with, we work alongside, physically alongside our NBC News colleagues. But that does not always mean we have any inside information about what exactly they're doing on the network side and what they're working on, and vice versa.

You know, whatever we're working on and whatever we're developing, they might not have, you know, total transparency.

As such, when NBC News broadcasts its special report tomorrow morning on the impeachment proceedings against President Trump, the first public impeachment hearings in the impeachment proceedings against President Donald J. Trump, and when that NBC News special report tomorrow morning is anchored by Lester Holt from Nightly News and NBC`s chief legal correspondent, Today Show host Savannah Guthrie, and Chuck Todd from Meet the Press–

I mean, yes, we all work in the same together. Yes, we are all part of the same big happy family, but I can't tell you exactly what that NBC News special coverage is going to look like.
To watch this bullshit, click here.

Interesting! As always, Maddow was talking about herself, at significant length. Nor had she failed to cross-promote all the network's stars.

That said, she clearly seemed to be headed toward a major important reveal. And then, her actual topic emerged! Let me entertain you, she basically said, as she played some music for us:
MADDOW (continuing directly): That said, I can pretty much guarantee you it will not have a theme song as cool, or as oddly ponderous and artistic, as the way NBC News played its special theme song and lead-in to the impeachment proceedings in 1973 for then-President Richard Nixon, because that was all covered with NBC News special reports, too.

But have you seen this? This was–they like developed a whole theme song! This was like the opening credits to the Watergate hearings.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ANNOUNCER (5/17/73): NBC News Special Report.

(THEME MUSIC)

ANNOUNCER: Watergate Senate Hearings. Here from Washington is NBC News correspondent Garrick Utley.

UTLEY: Good morning. This is the Senate caucus room in Washington, D.C., and it`s jammed this morning, jammed with spectators, newsman, senators and their aides. And the scene adds to the sense of drama as the Senate opens with what is likely to become the most serious investigation it has ever made, an investigation of the American political system and the presidency itself.

The name of the investigation is Watergate because that is the name of the building where the Democratic Party offices were located, offices that were broken into last year. But the investigation that begins today will go far beyond that incident. The senators will also be asking questions about other acts of political sabotage in last year`s presidential campaign. And they`ll be asking about the money, secret cash that finance the sabotage, where it came from and how it was used. That is the Senate committee, seven members headed by Senator Sam Ervin of North Carolina.
(END VIDEO CLIP)

MADDOW: That's NBC News correspondent Garrick Utley, off-camera but doing like live color, live play-by-play of the NBC News special report on the first day of the Watergate hearings, May 17th, 1973. Having to kind of vamp there a little bit as everybody is getting seated.

"No more pictures, no more pictures!" OK, they're convening the hearing.

And tomorrow morning, every network will do their own version of this special report, right? As I just mentioned, NBC News is going to have their whole senior crew doing their special report. Again, 46 years and a half on from the way it looked on Watergate.

Here in MSNBC, Brian Williams and Nicolle Wallace, they're going to be co-anchoring MSNBC's special coverage starting at 9:00 a.m. All of the networks are going to be doing something like this.

But as you can see from this vintage testimony from '73, the fact we have done this so few times in American history means it's hard to see any of this as normal, right? It's hard to extrapolate what we've already been through to know exactly what it ought to be like when these hearings kick off tomorrow. There's nothing you can look at from '73 or from any other impeachments that can tell you how it's likely to go this time.

For example, I can tell you I don't think they're going to run that theme music in the opening again. I will say, it's cool enough I want to take it for this show. What we need on this show is more timpani. I've always thought so. Watergate.
So entertaining and cool! Wasting our time while making us like her, our own Rhodes scholar played "like the opening credits to the Watergate hearings" from NBC News in June 1973.

As it turned out, NBC had "like developed a whole theme song" for those ancient Senate hearings! Time passed while Maddow pointlessly played the pointless comments of the late Garrick Utley. But then, inevitably, she was talking about herself again!

That old theme music was so cool that she wanted it for her own TV program! "What we need on this show is more timpani," she said, advancing her branding as she persistently does.

As she continued, Maddow wasted everyone's time with endless, utterly pointless remarks about the testimony of Robert Odle, the little-remembered first witness in the 1973 hearings. And so cool! As Maddow played the tape of Odle walking to the witness stand, she didn't fail to describe the lack of staging, or to mention his clothes:
MADDOW: See, they didn't choreograph this for maximum drama. This is the first witness. They didn't have the first witness sitting anywhere near the witness table or the front of the room. He's got to make his way through the whole crowd. Obviously, he's also wearing his father's suit.
So cool! Later, she returned to the entertaining claim that Odle had been wearing a "Dad suit." In these well-disguised Trumpist realms, nothing stops the flow of the bullshit, or the obsession with self:
MADDOW: And so, we shall see how all that goes. I can't wait, like I don't know how I'm going to sleep tonight, in part because this is such an historic thing.

There aren't very many Americans since the history–since the origins of our country. Just hasn't happened very many times in our history as a country.

To be here for it, let alone to have the privilege to cover it as a news story, is a humbling and exciting thing.
Maddow like didn't know how she'd be able to sleep that night! Two nights later, she clowned and vogued with Joy Reid about the insomnia the two stars share. It's almost like the two cable stars are two of your like friends.

Maddow said the whole thing was "humbling" for her. That seemed like a misstatement.

Do you mind if we tell you something about the endless bullshit you're served on the Maddow program? While the cable star is wasting your time with her endless pointless flashbacks to Days of Nixon and Agnew, she isn't telling you about homeless students in New York City, or about how many there are.

She isn't telling you about the astonishing costs pf American health care. She isn't discussing the climate crisis, which is on track to kill so many children around the world.

She isn't discussing low-income public schools, a topic to which she would never stoop. She's telling you about herself and treating you like a fool as she does, as she stuffs millions of corporate dollars into the back of her pants.

Later on last Tuesday night, the silly Trumpism returned. Inevitably, this silly corporate-fed harlequin child went there all over again:
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

MADDOW: This is my favorite kind of breaking news!

At the very top of the show tonight, I was caviling about how NBC covered the first day of the Watergate hearings in 1973, specifically this title sequence that was the lead-in to the live NBC News special report for the first day of the Watergate hearings in '73. And I caviled about this for obvious reasons.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ANNOUNCER: NBC News Special Report.

(THEME MUSIC)

ANNOUNCER: Watergate: Senate hearings.
(END VIDEO CLIP)

MADDOW: I was like, "We are definitely taking that special report theme song from 1973! The Rachel Maddow Show needs more timpani!"

Well, because you are all the best viewers in the world, I am now informed and absolutely convinced that is a Berlioz symphony, that is from Symphonie Fantastique composed in 1830.

And here's the amazing thing, because you are the best viewers in the world, I almost can't believe NBC was this on the nose with its music choice that day. But it wasn't just Symphonie Fantastique, the music NBC used as the lead-in to the impeachment hearings in May 1973 was specifically from the fourth movement of that symphony which had a title.

The title was “March to the Scaffold!”

Thank you to Racgel Maddow Show viewers for knowing your French composers.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
Children are dying all over the world as the silly corporate child entertains and panders to you in these silly childish ways.

Last Tuesday night, she was once again "like, We are definitely taking that special report theme song from 1973!" She returned to this pointlessness near the end of her program

She played the theme music once again, even explaining its origin. She'd been caviling about the music earlier on, through she had caviled for obvious reasons. Also, she needed more timpani on her TV show.

The circus clown said that her viewers were the very best in the world. This is stupidified Trumpism too, wrapped in a smiling face, sitting atop a pair of large orange shoes.

This is one major part of the problem we're all living with. That said, Chris and Brian and Arianna had all been engaged in Creeping Trumpism too.

That was twenty years ago, long before Donald J. Trump waddled onto the scene, with his path to the White House greased by the likes of Maddow.

Our own tribe's stars are Trumpists too! They have been for a very long time, and they're massively paid to behave in these ways by our own nation's oligarchs.

You aren't allowed to know how much they're paid. Fellow tribals, show some sense! Just sit there and eat what you're served!

Next week: The nature of The Problem

44 comments:

  1. tldr;

    "That spectacular dumbness is Trumpism too"

    Sorry, dear Bob, but once again I'd like to register a stern objection to your projecting your zombie cult's dumbness onto the greatest phenomenon of our times: Trumpism.

    Trumpism, dear Bob, is many things, but dumbness is one thing it isn't.

    It's peace, prosperity, pursuit of the national interests. And - and this is important - a UGE reduction of bullshit. Bullshit normally produced by your zombie cult.

    That's normally, dear Bob; and these days ... oh dear. Just a couple of days ago I saw The Donald un-clowning, within 30 seconds, uncountable hours of your zombie cult clowning...

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    1. You don't have to be a "dembot" (your tediously repetitive aspersion) to have antipathy toward Trump. See e.g., 11/22/19 post of the Zero Hedge Website, [the existence of which I learned from you] "Trump V Warren - the Battle against the Elites" which states "Trump is the furthest thing from an anti-Globalist." Or Jeffrey St. Clair's clever monicker for him, "Il Douche." Hey the stock market is up - thanks in large part to huge tax breaks to the wealthy, and huge increases in military spending, but it's not that clear that workers are better off than they would have been if Clinton had won or that we know have more "peace." What possible credibility do you think you could have with your constant obsequious sycophancy toward President Bonespurs? This all said, I see where your views are sustained by the fact that lots of the criticisms against Trump are exaggerated, distorted, fabricated or biased. But "reduction in bullshit"???? Rare is it when what comes out of his mouth isn't the purist of bullshit.

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    2. Definitely UGE reduction in the amount of zombie PC bullshit, dembot. I don't think there's any controversy on this point.

      Not to mention all the bullshit of the ongoing kangaroo-court/show-trial.

      And, like I said, I did witness The Donald (god bless our excellent president) destroying countless hours of it in 30 seconds: the only admissible part of the whole bullshit testimony was 'when I asked the president what he wants from Ukraine, he said he wants nothing.' Eliminating, in 30 seconds, hours of bullshit and clowning.

      And since you're playing a lawyer here, surely you would agree.

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    3. Mao - I suppose you couldn't confirm more that what I said is true, that you're an obsequious sycophant for Trump (a/k/a Il Douche}. Thanks. And Trump "destroyed" anything by his quote of Gordon S. that he said there was no quid pro quo? Are you a child? Or just a disingenuous troll? His supposed disclaimer to Gordon, if anything, proves the opposite. Not only did the alleged conversation take place after the cat was out of the bag; but why would Trump deny there was a quid pro quo, when Gordon S. didn't suggest to him, that there was a quid pro quo? I'm not sure that Trump deserves to be impeached over this typical clownishness on his part, or that the situation in Ukraine concerns our "vital security interests" - but to anyone but a symp it's obvious he did what the dems are charging him with, and it was a typical skeevy move on his part.

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    4. Dembot, I asked you before, and I'll ask you again: don't type a word-salad, please.

      Try to make a point, one point, and stop.

      And then, if you must, post the word-salad separately. Okay?

      As for your alleged legal expertise, the point I was making is that in a real trial, 99% their 'testimonies' would not be admissible. Things like "I believe", "I feel", "I can't find any other explanation than" are pure speculations. Good for a chit-chat in a pub, but have no place in a courtroom. That's all.

      And yes, his conversation with the president would be allowed, definitely. Whether you like it or not.

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    5. Mao, well I am a lawyer, for more than 40 years, and I've tried loads of cases. I suspect I understand the rules of evidence somewhat better than you. this "impeachment inquiry" is very dissimilar to an actual court trial. The rules of evidence aren't applied. I have only watched or heard snippets of the proceedings, having to work for a living at all, so ability to assess the evidence is limited in that respect. Would Gordon S's statement about Trump's (after the cat was out of the bag) disclaimer of a quid pro quo be admissible as an exception to the hearsay rule? To the extent that Trump is a party, his out of court statements would be admissible against him. Without explaining all the factors of my reasoning, I think Gordon's testimony about the disclaimer would be allowed. But to the extent the statement was after Trump knew about the whistle blower, its usefulness to Trump's claim of innocence would be greatly weakened. Also, as I stated before, why would trump claim no quid pro quo in the conversation, when Gordon didn't even raise that issue? It's incriminating to trump. I could go on and on - but just a few. In a court trial questioners can't make speeches before asking questions. Trump couldn't hide behind "executive Privilege" to avoid testifying under oath, and he couldn't block other witnesses from testifying. And evidence of what someone heard trump say on the phone when speaking to someone else would be admissible. What Giuliani did or said on behalf of Trump could be used as evidence against Trump, because Giuliani was Trump's lawyer, under agency principles.

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    6. "Try to make a point, one point, and stop."

      I'll make an irrefutable one: Mao loves the Establishment more than life itself.

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    7. AC\DC, concentrate:

      Things like "I believe", "I feel", "I can't find any other explanation than" etc. in regards to a third person's alleged intent and state of mind, are pure speculations.
      Inadmissible in a non-kangaroo court. And for a good reason. Correct?

      Good point about making speeches. I should've made it myself.

      "after the cat was out of the bag" - that's debatable, as he didn't remember the exact date/time of the conversation.

      Whether it's incriminating or not is irrelevant. It's for the jury to decide. The point is: this is (probably) the the only snippet where this witness describes his direct knowledge - as opposed to conjecturing. A couple of minutes among hours of bullshit and propaganda.

      "why would trump claim no quid pro quo in the conversation, when Gordon didn't even raise that issue"

      You're wrong, read the transcript. This is what he asked: "What do you want from Ukraine?" Reply: "I want nothing" etc. No problem there.

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    8. As I mentioned, this isn't a trial governed by Court rules of evidence (which are not always uniformly applied and are subject to interpretation often). Also, as I said, I have heard only portions of the testimony. I really am not willing to read the transcripts at this point, other things I'd rather read, so I can't fully comment about your "I believe" or 'fee' or 'no other explanation." But this type of testimony can be admitted at a trial - it's very dependent on the variables involved, the circumstances. Speaking broadly, juries absolutely can make decisions based on reasonable inferences and circumstantial evidence. IN this case, even allowing for the fact I have some bias, I think it's pretty clear that the charge against Trump is valid. (What the consequence of that should be is another question. And that I'm not that biased can be demonstrated by my view that the whole Mueller and Russia think flogged by the dems and the 'liberal' commentariat was blown way out of proportion, and substantially baseless). I disagree about the alleged Sondland / Trump exchange - according to Sondland (whose memory of the conversation is obviously not infallible)- Sondland "what do you want from Ukraine?" According to Sondland, Trump said "nothing" and I believe the "etc" part is Trump said he wanted "no quid pro quo." If Trump stopped at responding "nothing" he'd have an argument. But adding "no quid pro quo" was something that wasn't in Sondland's question. It's somewhat like in some movie where a detective asks a potential subject, "did you know John Jones, we're investigating his murder?" and the suspect says "I didn't stab him." The detective then observes, "I didn't tell you he was stabbed." It incriminates the potential suspect.

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    9. Thanks.

      "Speaking broadly, juries absolutely can make decisions based on reasonable inferences and circumstantial evidence. "

      Inferences, made by the jurors, yes, but not by witnesses. And to say "I believe Mr Trump wanted blah, blah, blah" is nothing like circumstantial evidence.

      It's a speculation. And in context, it has zero objective value. For each bureaucrat who believes X, one can find two who believe the opposite. It's just the matter of selecting right 'witnesses' and (as it seems obvious in Sondland's case) leaning on them.

      "But adding "no quid pro quo" was something that wasn't in Sondland's question."

      Meh. The guy asks (this is the exact quote from the transcript): "What do you want from Ukraine? I keep hearing all these different ideas and theories and this and that. What do you want?".

      This is not the kind of question you will reply to with "nothing". The guy "keep hearing all these different ideas and theories and this and that". To make things clear, you may want to give a long, forceful answer.

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    10. The witness can't speculate. I witness can be asked how he understood a communication from the defendant or someone else, and it's up to the factfinder whether to credit it. The factfinders here - the House - can make inferences from the circumstantial evidence that has been presented (and I'm not saying there isn't more than circumstantial evidence.
      You are also ignoring Trump's stonewalling, refusal to testify under oath, efforts to block other witnesses from testifying - raising so many red herrings (e.g., whistle blower isn't testifying). You have a real weak case on the merits. I don't expect you to acknowledge it - you're too partisan.

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    11. I made a very specific point: your zombie comrades are responsible for megatons of bullshit filling the air, while what Mr Trump does is far more direct and straightforward.

      I think it's obvious.

      As for the merits of the whole show-trial, I don't see any crime at all in asking anyone anywhere to help investigate credible cases of corruption, and whatever crimes or criminal conspiracy they're after with that server thing. I just don't. Sorry to disappoint.

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    12. Your "very specific" point that I responded to was that the alleged call between Sondland and Trump where Trump allegedly said "I want nothing, no quid pro" exonerated Trump. Per my responses, I disagree. You keep using loaded terms like "show trial." It seems apparent Trump hasn't been imprisoned and forced to confess under torture, but aside from that, "show trial" is a slanted rhetorical device, and not really fair. That "dembots' can out-bullshit Trump - I don't think so, as much as they might try. That Trump was simply investigating 'credible' cases of corruption - is a silly defense, unless you think that the term "credible cases of corruption" is the equivalent of right wing fever dreams. I don't think Trump cares about corruption, or that was his concern here; pretty obvious that he was trying to leverage the military aid to get help against Biden, and you don't seem to have anything credible to refute that.

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    13. "Your "very specific" point that I responded to was that the alleged call between Sondland and Trump where Trump allegedly said "I want nothing, no quid pro" exonerated Trump."

      I didn't say that, so how could it be my point? It most certainly wasn't.

      What I said was that Sondland was testifying for hours, and all it -- except for this short episode, his direct knowledge -- was bullshit. And that Mr Trump pointed out to this simple fact, thus acting as bullshit-remover.

      " I don't think Trump cares about corruption, or that was his concern here; pretty obvious that he was trying to leverage the military aid to get help against Biden, and you don't seem to have anything credible to refute that."

      To refute what, exactly? What you wrote is entirely a matter of your personal opinion. As they say, there are as many opinions as there are assholes, and you're certainly entitled to have one of each.

      The fact is, however, he asked to investigate a case of corruption.

      Note that he didn't order Z guy to fire/replace the chief prosecutor who wasn't officially accused of anything.

      Note that he didn't tell Z guy to publicly defame Creepy Joe, or to fabricate evidence.

      He asked, in a confidential conversation, to help investigate. To look into it. That's not "against Biden" per se. If the investigation found no corruption, that would've been the end of story.

      I see no problem here at all.

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  2. “That spectacular dumbness is Trumpism too;”

    Someone engaging in a light-hearted moment or mugging occasionally for the cameras is not the same thing as Trumpism.

    Trumpism is about constant, shameless lying. Nothing Somerby quoted from Maddow shows her lying about anything.

    Trumpism is about destroying enemies by propaganda and mis/disinformation. You may not like Maddow’s constant focus on the legal proceedings against Trump associates, but she is nonetheless reporting on actual legal proceedings and verdicts, not making shit up in order to destroy the defendants.

    It is also erroneous to lump all these journalists into the same category.

    If Somerby finds Maddow’s concerns about Watergate frivolous, he is welcome to that opinion, but it doesn’t mean that she is manufacturing facts.

    It is also erroneous to equate Maddow’s concerns about the legal system and the corruption of Trump officials with Friedman’s writing; Friedman is a fashion reporter.

    Ultimately, you can call Maddow a clown, if you want. But if you can’t produce a criticism of her based on substance, rather than style, then you yourself are showing your preference for style over substance, and your disapproval of her is merely emotional.

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    1. I find her show to be unwatchable. She wastes way too much time to get well into "substance."

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  3. “Frankly, you know, what is fascinating is that the way he's now dressing makes a lot of people feel disconnected from him.”

    Don’t know if it was the way he dressed, but isn’t it true that a lot of people felt disconnected from Gore?

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  4. Yes, thanks to the media.

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  5. “Having canceled Thanksgiving plans, we plan to explore that problem next week”

    It’s just the culture, Bob.

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    1. republican ratf**kers for fifty, alexNovember 22, 2019 at 11:13 PM

      Yeah Bob, it's just the culture:

      https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/22/politics/nunes-vienna-trip-ukrainian-prosecutor-biden/index.html

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    3. http://dickmunro.com/home/12-book-paddington-gets-tanked.html

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    4. Who ya kiddin', Bobby baby? You never had any Thanksgiving plans. Who would spend even one second of time with you?

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    5. Me. And here you are too, you know.

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    6. I meant face tune, not screen time. But hey, you knew that. ;)

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  6. 'That was twenty years ago, long before Donald J. Trump waddled onto the scene, with his path to the White House greased by the likes of Maddow.'

    The only major Trumptard here is TDH, who spends his time attacking liberals, defending DJT, Roy Moore, Ron Johnson an the like. Oh, and exaggerating, concern trolling, and so on ..

    I'll take the 'corporate media' over a Trumptard like Somerby who seems to be upset that the style section covers .. well .. style.

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  7. 'Children are dying all over the world as the silly corporate child entertains and panders to you in these silly childish ways.
    '

    Whereas TDH spends time defending Trump, and acting like a Trumptard. And attacking liberals.

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  8. تأسيس الشركات في دبي فريق عمل محترف على أتم الاستعداد لمساعدتك في تأسيس أعمالك التجارية بدبى وبفضل خدماتها المتكاملة، يمكنك تأسيس شركتك بكل سهولة
    للمزيد عن
    تاسيس شركة فى دبى
    شروط إنشاء شركة في دبى
    خطوات تأسيس شركة في دبي للسعوديين

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  9. i am ERIC BRUNT by name. Greetings to every one that is reading this testimony. I have been rejected by my wife after three(3) years of marriage just because another Man had a spell on her and she left me and the kid to suffer. one day when i was reading through the web, i saw a post on how this spell caster on this address AKHERETEMPLE@gmail.com have help a woman to get back her husband and i gave him a reply to his address and he told me that a man had a spell on my wife and he told me that he will help me and after 3 days that i will have my wife back. i believed him and today i am glad to let you all know that this spell caster have the power to bring lovers back. because i am now happy with my wife. Thanks for helping me Dr Akhere contact him on email: AKHERETEMPLE@gmail.com
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    i am ERIC BRUNT by name. Greetings to every one that is reading this testimony. I have been rejected by my wife after three(3) years of marriage just because another Man had a spell on her and she left me and the kid to suffer. one day when i was reading through the web, i saw a post on how this spell caster on this address AKHERETEMPLE@gmail.com have help a woman to get back her husband and i gave him a reply to his address and he told me that a man had a spell on my wife and he told me that he will help me and after 3 days that i will have my wife back. i believed him and today i am glad to let you all know that this spell caster have the power to bring lovers back. because i am now happy with my wife. Thanks for helping me Dr Akhere contact him on email: AKHERETEMPLE@gmail.com
    or
    call/whatsapp:+2349057261346

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  13. I Can't still believe that i got cured from Genital Herpes through herbal treatment from Dr Oyagu who I met through the internet, I actually couldn't believe it at first because it sounded impossible to me knowing how far I have gone just to get rid of it. Dr Oyagu send me his medicine which I took as instructed and here I am living a happy life once again, a big thanks to Dr Oyagu, I am sure there are many herbal doctors out there but Dr Oyagu did it for me, contact him oyaguherbalhome@gmail.com , also call or whatsApp him on +2348101755322

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  14. I Can't still believe that i got cured from Genital Herpes through herbal treatment from Dr Oyagu who I met through the internet, I actually couldn't believe it at first because it sounded impossible to me knowing how far I have gone just to get rid of it. Dr Oyagu send me his medicine which I took as instructed and here I am living a happy life once again, a big thanks to Dr Oyagu, I am sure there are many herbal doctors out there but Dr Oyagu did it for me, contact him oyaguherbalhome@gmail.com , also call or whatsApp him on +2348101755322

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  16. My name is Louis Edmond, I am from USA. I want to share a testimony about Dr Aluya, a great spell caster who is very straight forward with his words of casting spells. When my Wife left me for another Man i was so confused,but one a day a friend of mine gave me the email address of this great spell caster called dr Aluya, I contacted this man and explained to him all that i was going through,he then told me to be calm and not worry anymore because my case is a very easy one. At first I never believed all that he was saying until when my husband returned home two days later begging me to forgive him for all that he had done to me and to please accept him back into my life,I was so amazed,I never believed it was going to happen that fast.
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  17. Hi everyone, my name is Rabueil Islam
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  18. My lover dumped for  another woman with two kids i was confused until i came
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