Some thoughts concerning impeachment chic!

SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 2, 2019

A dangerous year ahead:
David Brooks favors impeaching Donald J. Trump, then pretty much hurrying on. He presented the outline of his view at the start of yesterday's column:
BROOKS (11/1/19): Is it possible that more than 20 Republican senators will vote to convict Donald Trump of articles of impeachment? When you hang around Washington you get the sense that it could happen.

The evidence against Trump is overwhelming. This Ukraine quid pro quo wasn’t just a single reckless phone call. It was a multiprong several-month campaign to use the levers of American power to destroy a political rival.

Republican legislators are being bludgeoned with this truth in testimony after testimony. They know in their hearts that Trump is guilty of impeachable offenses. It’s evident in the way they stare glumly at their desks during hearings; the way they flee reporters seeking comment; the way they slag the White House off the record. It’ll be hard for them to vote to acquit if they can’t even come up with a non-ludicrous rationale.

And yet when you get outside Washington it’s hard to imagine more than one or two G.O.P. senators voting to convict.
In Brooks' view, Trump "is guilty of impeachable offenses." Indeed, in Brooks' view, "the evidence is overwhelming."

That said, Brooks goes on to say that Republican senators aren't going to vote to remove Trump from office. For reasons we'll detail below, he favors impeaching Trump, then quickly moving on.

For ourselves, we're less sold on impeachment itself than Brooks is. We remain fairly strong in our view that our system doesn't run on impeachment.

Is Trump "guilty of impeachable offenses?" In our view, that pretty much isn't the basic question. The basic question involves the possible harm to the system from pursuit of this unusual tool, in which the judgment of 63 million voters can end up being overturned by the votes of 67 solons.

In our view, Emma Green has offered an instructive essay in the The Atlantic about that potential harm. Brooks is treading similar ground as he ends his column:
BROOKS: Elizabeth Bruenig of The Washington Post put her finger on something important in a recent essay on Trump’s evangelical voters: the assumption of decline. Many Trump voters take it as a matter of course that for the rest of their lives things are going to get worse for them—economically, spiritually, politically and culturally. They are not the only voters who think this way. Many young voters in their OK Boomer T-shirts feel exactly the same, except about climate change, employment prospects and debt.

This sense of elite negligence in the face of national decline is the core issue right now. Impeachment is a distraction from that. As quickly as possible, it’s time to move on.
In our view, "elite negligence in the face of national decline" is indeed "the core issue."

That elite negligence started long before Trump. MSNBC's gruesome cheerleaders for impeachment have been, and remain, a very large part of that long-running "elite" fail.

These children, and their "elite" predecessors, gamboled and played, and served their own interests, in the years of living ludicrously—in the brain-dead journalistic decades which eventually led us to Trump. The bad values and horrible judgment of their guild is actively at work, each night, as you watch them talk about Trump Trump Trump and impeachment impeachment while talking about nothing else.

What did he say ten minutes ago? Let's assemble a panel of five and talk talk talk about it!

The children love chases, horse races, two-year "election campaigns" and the latest exciting new polls; they love the pursuit of Bad People. Their self-serving terrible judgment and their grisly corporate values, accompanied by their overall dumbness, lie at the heart of the decline which has been underway for at least the past thirty years.

The woods are lovely, dark and deep, but the children have very bad judgment. They gamboled and played until we had Trump, and they they began to resist.

In our view, their heartfelt desire to impeach is, in large part, an act of bad faith. There's no way to turn back from this quest, but we'll guess that no good will come of the quest, and we're sick of seeing these worthless strivers say Trump Trump Trump every night.

Truth? They don't care about health care or public schools, or about climate change. They care about excitement and the chase, and their instincts aren't likely to produce good endings.

In our view, the coming year presents great danger. But on cable TV, from 4 PM on, this "elite" can be seen enjoying its latest big batch of great fun.

We can barely watch them at this point. And by the way—almost every standard word they emit has been, in some manner, massaged.

Donald J. Trump is deeply disordered. Breaking! As our thought leaders giggle, cavort and clown, they're just a few steps behind.

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  1. "The basic question involves the possible harm to the system from pursuit of this unusual tool, in which the judgment of 63 million voters can end up being overturned by the votes of 67 solons."

    The 2016 election was overturned by the actions of Russia and Comey. It is only the partisan actions of Republicans that have protected Trump from the consequences of that manipulation of our electoral system.

    Somerby, like other Republicans, treats the results of the 2016 election as if they were valid. His concern for respecting the will of the voters would make sense only if the election had not been tampered with.

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  2. Today Somerby quotes from a conservative columnist, then expresses a view even further to the right. Next time he refers to we liberals, I hope he strangles on his own tongue.

    This is what happens when you have a liar for President. Everyone thinks it is OK to do it.

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    1. You know how to read? He says nothing of the sort.

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  3. "to destroy a political rival"

    That "political rival" (who, of course, in reality isn't Mr Trump's political rival, and most likely will never be) must be extremely corrupt, if an investigation of his dealing is certain to destroy him.

    Not that you and Mr Brooks care, naturally. To you, zombies, nominating a mafia boss is perfectly acceptable, and even preferable.

    Oh well, zombies. What did you expect?

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  4. Somerby is, in essence, saying that no matter what Trump did, we shouldn't impeach him because he was voted into office. That gives him license to commit murder on 5th Ave (or a comparable Palm Beach street). It makes no sense at all to think that our founding fathers intended that no president could be removed, no matter what he did.

    Then the question is whether Trump's actions (singly or in combination) rise to the level of impeachment. I believe they did that a long time ago. Most liberals I know feel the same way. So, this is entirely in keeping with the constitution and any political philosophy that says that Presidents cannot act with impunity by doing things that are treasonous, damage the country, betray national security, and harm those who should be protected (including those seeking asylum). And then there is the question of Trump's massive incompetence.

    Somerby is so far off base here that he is clearly revealing himself to be a shill for the right (if not Russia). He gave up any pretense with his defense of Turner yesterday and now there is no doubt in my mind that he is no liberal and that he is engaged in some ratfucking operation with this blog.

    Sad.

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    1. He's not saying that at all. He's saying these cable people are limited in their outlook and are repeating a tired old script. One which involves sportscasting rather than deep thought.

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    2. TDH's script by contrast is

      1) Attack liberals
      2) Lie
      3) Defend Trump
      4) Attack liberals
      5) Defend Roy Moore
      6) Attack liberals
      7) Defend Ron Johnson
      8) Lie
      9) Don Maga hat.

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  5. Here is a more liberal analysis of Brooks' column:

    http://yastreblyansky.blogspot.com/2019/11/something-to-see-here-move-on-anyway.html

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  6. Calling this "impeachment chic" is insulting. Democrats are serious and very sad about Trump's malfeasance. This isn't a fad or a fashionable trend or style.

    Somerby ignores that, based on polling, a majority supports impeachment. We are a republic, so elected representatives determine action in Congress. It is right and proper and consistent with the constitution that they do so. Using their full authority to impose checks and balances on the president is not usurping the public vote. It is acting on behalf of the public to protect voter interests.

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    1. He's talking about the news.

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    2. He’s talking about the news *that he disagrees with*. Reporting on impeachment is going on, because *the House is in the process of bringing impeachment proceedings*. Oh, and he disagrees with impeachment as a rule. Nice to know he is keeping an open mind about it.

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    3. If Somerby disagrees with impeachment as a rule, he'll need to amend the US Constitution, because impeachment is constitutionally how you deal with a corrupt US President.

      I hope Somerby lets us know when he'll raise a finger to make this amendment happen.

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  7. "Donald J. Trump is deeply disordered. Breaking! As our thought leaders giggle, cavort and clown, they're just a few steps behind."

    Given that Trump is disordered, what else are "thought leaders" supposed to do other than examine the remedies, impeachment chief among them. Surely Somerby doesn't think they should descend on Washington DC with torches and pitchforks or some such?

    Whatever liberals are for, Somerby is agin it. He won't say what he's for. Just that's he's agin it. And "we liberals" are scum. Obviously, he's agin us too, but pretends not. So we are supposed to tolerate Trump while the Senate fails to enact election protection measures and Trump opens the door to Russia and others for the next election, which we will then have no right to oppose because people voted in another manipulated election. No thank you. This needs to stop now.

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    1. 'He won't say what he's for. '

      For: Trump, Roy Moore, Turner, Ron Johnson.

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  8. “The basic question involves the possible harm to the system from pursuit of this unusual tool, in which the judgment of 63 million voters can end up being overturned by the votes of 67 solons.”

    Of course, the judgment of 65.8 million voters was negated by the undemocratic mechanism of the electoral college in 2016. The 2018 House elections also represent the voice of the voters, and these elections rely solely on popular votes.

    So what is the true “judgment of the voters” here?

    Also, Somerby fails to consider, on the other side of the equation, the harm done to the system by allowing crimes and abuses of power to continue unchecked.

    Also, he is presumably referring to the (mainstream/non-Fox) media when he says “In our view, their heartfelt desire to impeach is, in large part, an act of bad faith.” But impeachment, at least an inquiry, is supported by a majority of the public, irrespective of what the mainstream media says. Somerby doesn’t address the “heartfelt desire” of non-media people, ie citizens and voters, but he clearly wishes to brand the support for impeachment as an act of bad faith, full stop. He refers to the media as “our” thought leaders, so he is insinuating that liberals (“we”) have not made an independent judgment about impeachment, that we are being misled by an act of bad faith into supporting something that “harms our system.”

    His failure to admit the legitimacy of other (pro-impeachment) arguments leads him to this kind of dishonest argumentation.

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  9. "As our thought leaders giggle, cavort and clown, they're just a few steps behind."

    I'm sure Somerby is referring to Samantha Bee, John Oliver, Trevor Noah, Steven Colbert, Conan O'Brien and Andy Richter. They manage to inform viewers as well as entertain them. (Note that Bill Maher is not on this list because of his health faddism, misogyny and willingness to embrace anything if it is anti-PC and/or anti-religion. He may be considered a leader but there isn't a lot of thought behind his jokes and rants.)

    It is tempting to call Somerby's rejection of these intelligent commenters on the public scene pure envy.

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    1. "Truth? They don't care about health care or public schools, or about climate change. They care about excitement and the chase, and their instincts aren't likely to produce good endings."

      Health care, schools and similar topics are the main focus of Samantha Bee and John Oliver, in particular. Unfair to say that they don't care about this when an impartial viewer would call them impassioned about such subjects.

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    2. Somerby is not an impartial viewer. he is a Trumptard

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  10. " There's no way to turn back from this quest, but we'll guess that no good will come of the quest, and we're sick of seeing these worthless strivers say Trump Trump Trump every night."

    Somerby's bad faith put Trump into office. Now he hears the name like a telltale heartbeat reminding him of his own perfidy.

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    1. Anon 2:23 - You seem to epitomize the anti-TDH sentiment here: criticizing the so-called liberal media for their treatment of impeachment is the equivalent of being a Trumptard. The idea that TDH's "[alleged] bad faith put Trump into office" is beyond crazy. Trump won for a combination of reasons - I could easily list 20 or more. (A major reason, as TDH has thoroughly pointed out, is the way the "liberal" pundits for years had demonized Clinton). About a billionth on the list of reasons why Trump won is anything TDH ever said. With people as stupid as you, there isn't a lot of hope.

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    2. If you aren't paid by the corporate media to play dumb, bigotry, bigotry, and bigotry are the top 3 reasons for Trump's election.

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  11. Bob,
    I have said here before that to vote for Trump you had to be either racist or stupid.
    You claim that Trump is nuts and could blow up the world at any minute.
    Your solution: leave him alone. Do NOT impeach the nut.
    Let him lie, steal and betray our country. And blow up the world.
    Every little thing is gonna be alright.
    At this minute I'm gonna put you in the stupid crew. But trending racist.
    Berating women writers. Justify every killing of a minority person by cops.
    Catnip.
    Continue to use the black kids in Baltimore as a "beard".

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  12. For the framers of the Constitution, impeachment was a necessary protection against abuse of very powers it established. By definition, impeachment was integral to the electoral system itself. To the extent it now strikes some as illegitimate usurpation of the right of voters to choose leaders, precisely to that degree have we lost the capacity for self-governing. TDH isn't completely wrong about the damage that would come from impeaching Trump. He just hasn't articulated the reason.

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    1. David Stein:
      Really good comment. My only quibble is that Somerby *himself* feels that Impeachment is a usurpation of the will of the voters, so he is therefore *unable* to articulate the reason.

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    2. I wish he would explain the basis for his judgment. He states it often enough. Impeachment is in the Constitution for a reason that's not hard to fathom.

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    3. I agree with Centrist. He has no reason based on anything except support for Trump. He is a partisan and not a liberal, so he is opposed to impeachment for the same reasons as the rest of the Republicans.

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    4. Impeachment will only make Trump stronger.

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    5. “Impeachment will only make Trump stronger.”

      Therefore, Trump and the Republicans should unanimously support it.

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  13. 'The bad values and horrible judgment of their guild is actively at work, each night, as you watch them talk about Trump Trump Trump and impeachment impeachment while talking about nothing else.'

    Whatever one can say about them, they are not as bad as Trumptards like Somerby, whose sole goal in life is to attack liberals, defend Trump, Roy Moore, Ron Johnson and the like.

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  14. The judgement of 63 million voters is not overturned if Trump is removed from office, because Pence becomes President. Not Clinton.

    Somerby's worship of Trump leads him to lie again.

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  16. Since the day Trump took office, his enemies have been looking for an excuse -- any excuse -- to impeach him. I don't think a single Republican Senator will vote to convict.

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    1. Meh. The lib-zombie establishment was trying to destroy the movement, the workers' rebellion against liberal globalization.

      Impeaching Mr Trump is not likely to achieve it. In fact, with any luck it'll achieve the opposite.

      If, despite all the witch-hunts and subversion by secret services, The Donald is reelected in 2020, I can not imagine how the liberal cult, already in agony, could survive it.

      Which is why its sponsors and leaders (represented by Madam Pelosi) resisted impeachment for as long as they could. But now it's the moment of truth. It's All In.

      It'll be fun to watch.

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    2. I'll bet Mitt Romney will.

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    3. Meh. I'd take the bet. Even though he can't be recalled in Utah, and his next election is only in 2024, if I were him, I wouldn't dare.

      Unless things change dramatically.

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    4. Any “excuse” — such as Treason, Bribery, and other High Crimes and Misdemeanors and other garden variety impeachable offenses that Trump engages in as frequently as he lies.

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    5. "I don't think a single Republican Senator will vote to convict."

      No fucking kidding. Republicans are awful human beings, who care only about the grift.

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  17. "The basic question involves the possible harm to the system from pursuit of this unusual tool, in which the judgment of 63 million voters can end up being overturned by the votes of 67 solons [sic]."

    Probably less then five SC Justices selecting a president who lost the popular vote, the Electoral College, or the seating of Supreme Court Justices by Senators representing a solid minority of the population. Perhaps Bob would care to explain how the EC is fine and dandy while the impeachment part of the Constitution is out of bounds?

    Sixty seven Senators would at least represent a solid majority of th population of the nation.

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  18. "Is Trump 'guilty of impeachable offenses?' In our view, that pretty much isn't the basic question. The basic question involves the possible harm to the system from pursuit of this unusual tool, in which the judgment of 63 million voters can end up being overturned by the votes of 67 solons."

    Good grief. If 'guilty of impeachable offenses' is not the standard we use to measure whether or not to impeach, what is ground for impeachment?

    Are the mechanisms for impeachment as described in the Constitution so much dead letter, placed there only to ignore when confronted with impeachable offenses by a chief executive?

    Do you know any other effective checks on misconduct by a corrupt president other than impeachment, or do we give him free rein to indulge his worst instincts without fear of consequences? Perhaps if he did shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue? Or is your resentment toward the "elite" whose "negligence" so overwhelming you favor continuing their discomfort at the expense of the nation?

    Hate the incompetent press to your heart's content. They do indeed frequently earn all the scorn you can muster. But don't allow your anger to blind you to the fact that many, many human beings are suffering real and lasting harm because of Trump's continued misconduct.

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  19. “Mr. Trump leads Elizabeth Warren by two points among registered voters, the same margin as his win over Hillary Clinton in these states three years ago.”

    This refers to six battleground states that Trump won in 2016. This suggests a reluctance to support a female candidate in general, not a specific animosity toward Hillary.

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    "We recently made up, even though it was difficult. It's been more than a month now, and everything feels like it’s returned to normal. He has begun to treat me better, and it’s been a healing process for both of us. The nightmare that had lasted for almost 2 years before we broke up is finally over. It’s like we fell in love all over again! We’ve both put the past behind us, and are trying to move forward – and for the first time in a long time, the future looks a lot brighter.
    I can’t express in words how grateful I am Dr Ojoka! It’s like we’ve finally rediscovered those things about each other that made us fall in love in the first place. All of the worrying and stress has simply vanished. Thank you Dr Ojoka for saving my broken Marriage and brought my husband back to me!".
    Me and my husband are living together happily again.. All thanks to Dr Ojoka If you have any problem contact Dr.Ojoka now and i guarantee you that he will help you.Email him at: drojokaspelltemple@gmail com you can also call him or whats A pp +2348144172934 or his website http://Drojokaspelltemple.website2.me  

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  21. JUST MADE IT
    Hello world, so I'm beyond grateful to Chief Dr. Ebore for helping me with a very powerful spell to get the lottery winning numbers. I won the lottery of 448.4 million US Dollars a week ago in a jackpot from 7 lottery play. The first thing I bought was a house with all the features I never dreamed I'd have. From there, I manifested my perfect dream car. I want to appreciate Dr. Ebore for his loyalty and magical works. It exists only in the right hands and with it everything is possible... He is also good in get your ex love back, healing, pregnancy, lottery winning and other spells etc. If you need any of this spell you can get in touch with him. Google mail:- EHITEMPLE@GMAIL.COM,
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  22. HOW I GOT MY HUSBAND BACK WITH THE HELP OF PRIEST WISDOM CONTACT ON WHATS_APP NUMBER +2348124644470

    This is my testimony about the good work of priest wisdom who help me.... I'm Ann Earnis from north Carolina USA. And am sorry for putting this on net but i will have to, by this world best spell caster that brought back my husband who left me out for past 3 years, i eventually met this man on a blog site posting by one of is client for help, i explained everything to him and he told me about a spell caster that he had heard about and he gave me an email address to write to the spell caster to tell him my problems. In just 1 days, my husband was back to me. I just want to say thank you to this truthful and sincere spell caster, sir all you told me have come to pass and thank you sir. Please i want to tell everyone who is looking for any solution to their problem, i advice you to kindly consult this spell caster, he is real,he is powerful and whatever the spell caster tell is what will happen, because all what the spell caster told me came to pass. You can kindly contact him on: his email address is supernaturalspell1@gmail.com or directly on whats-app +2348124644470 or call. PRIEST WISDOM Blog   http://reallovespellcaster.over-blog.com

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