What Hill said about Christopher Steele!

MONDAY, NOVEMBER 25, 2019

Things you won't hear on cable:
In last Saturday's report, we showed you some of the things Fiona Hill actually said.

More specifically, we posted some of the things you won't see on "liberal cable," despite the status to which Hill rose as a result of her appearance.

For obvious reasons, Hill was quickly accepted as a brilliant, near-oracular figure. But uh-oh! Some of the things she said!

Among other things, she said "the Ukrainian government...bet on Hillary Clinton winning the [2016] election."

She said "they were trying to curry favor with the Clinton campaign, it’s quite evident here."

She listed Ukrainian officials, including Ambassador Chaly (at the time, Ukraine's ambassador to the U.S.), among the people who "made some pretty unpleasant statements or ill-advised op-eds" during the campaign.

She seemed to say that officials from many governments, including Ukraine's, had made disparaging comments about Candidate Trump. She said she couldn't blame President Trump for feeling aggrieved about these statements.

She affirmed this January 2017 report by the New York Times' Kenneth Vogel, then of Politico. In the last few weeks, Vogel has been taking a lot of rather peculiar guff for his apparently accurate report, in which he listed Ukrainian criticisms of Candidate Trump during Campaign 2016.

Importantly, Hill also said there "was little evidence of a top-down effort by Ukraine" to monkey with the U.S. election. She stressed the fact that Ukrainian conduct can't be compared to the top-down effort which came from the Russian government.

We reproduced the statements in question because we were appalled by the absurdly selective presentation we'd seen the night before on the Maddow TV program. As usual, Maddow engaged in substantial picking and choosing about what her viewers would be allowed to hear, with grossly misleading embellishments added to the mix.

(That, plus all the mugging and clowning! It's so much fun to watch!)

The other tribe gets propagandized on Fox, but our tribe gets propagandized in various places too. Today and tomorrow, we're going to show you a few more things Hill said during her widely-lauded appearance—more specifically, things which will get repeated on Fox but not in more righteous forums.

Trigger warning! The remarks we show you today were made during questioning by Jim Jordan. They involve Hill's assessment of Christopher Steele and the Steele dossier. The Q-and-A went like this:
REP. SCHIFF (11/21/19): Mr. Jordan.

REP. JORDAN: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Dr. Hill, during your deposition, I asked you, “Was Christopher Steele’s dossier a rabbit hole?” Do you remember the answer you gave to that question?

HILL: Yes, I thought it was a rabbit hole.

REP. JORDAN: Yeah, and you also said, a couple of pages later in the deposition or in the transcript that I have here of your deposition, that you thought he got played. Is that fair?

HILL: That is fair, yes.
From there, Jordan orated at length, specifically claiming that Steele got played by Russian intelligence services, etc. and so forth and so on.

As you can see from the transcript, Jordan's oration ate the rest of his time, and Hill wasn't asked to respond. We don't know what she would have said if she;d been asked to assess Jordan's statements.

We also don't know exactly what Hill meant when she said that Steele "got played." We don't know exactly what she meant when she said the Steele dossier had been "a rabbit hole."

We also don't know if Hill is right in her assessments of Steele and the dossier. We're showing you this chunk of transcript because people will hear about it on Fox, and people on our channels won't.

People get shown and told certain things on Fox. We're often shown and told different things on liberal cable, and we often get misled by Rachel.

In our view, this is the problem we're all currently living with. With time off got a holiday, we'll be discussing this problem all week.

Also, this exchange: Earlier, Devin Nunes had asked Hill various questions about the dossier.

You can find the full exchange within the transcript. This Q-and-A occurred:
REP. NUNES: You mentioned in your deposition also that you thought that it was a, let’s get the exact quote, that “the dossier was a rabbit hole.”

Is that still your testimony?


HILL: That’s correct.
We don't know exactly what that statement means. We don't know if Hill's assessment of the dossier is correct. We do know this:

They'll be told about these statements on Fox. Our own multimillionaire corporate-paid minders will keep such knowledge from us.

This is the problem we're all living with. It's an ancient tribal problem, and a difficult problem to solve.

23 comments:

  1. "Among other things, she said "the Ukrainian government...bet on Hillary Clinton winning the [2016] election."

    She said "they were trying to curry favor with the Clinton campaign, it’s quite evident here.""

    Whoa, these two statement are the god's honest truth.

    But hey, a broken clock is right twice a day, and likewise goebbelsoids like Fiona Hill can't help but tell the truth once in a long while, dear Bob.

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    1. Oh, and also, dear Bob, your post reminded me of this thing about show-trials: once they started, they can't be stopped easily.

      For example, I noticed Creepy Joe threatening, a couple of days ago, sen. Graham: "Lindsey is about to go down in a way that I think he’s going to regret his whole life,". Y'know, for sticking his nose where it doesn't belong.

      More and more enemy agents and spies must be discovered, and inevitably at some point the heroes of early show-trials get unmasked as evildoers themselves. The Law of Genre.

      Which is what your post sounds like, a bit, in regards to Fiona "the goebbelsoid" Hill, dear Bob.

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  2. Somehow Trump apologists on the committee tried to conflate an op-ed criticizing Trump -- presumably, because he suggested that maybe Crimea should go to Russia! -- with election interference. It certainly wasn't. Neither were disjointed investigative efforts into Manafort, who, of course, had been advancing Russian interests in Ukraine.

    Steele dossier was, perhaps, the proverbial rabbit hole, as it did not reach any crisp conclusion. Even Steele was not presenting his information as 100% reliable fact. This is more of a throwaway comment by Hill.

    The salient part of Hill testimony was where she explained the genesis and the function of the irregular channel. She and Holmes were the connective tissue that pulled all the disparate narratives together.

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    1. Let's also consider that the narrative pushed by the Republicans that Trump was justifiably sore at the Ukrainians for opining against his candidacy points in the direction that Trump was essentially demanding personal loyalty from them by helping him campaign against his potential opponent. Let's keep that Trump the candidate is a private person; whereas Trump the president is not. It appears that Trump can't see the the difference.

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  3. “We reproduced the statements in question because we were appalled by the absurdly selective presentation we'd seen the night before on the Maddow TV program.”

    In what way was Maddow’s presentation “absurdly” selective? Did she choose to emphasize the most important testimony of the witnesses, involving serious Russian interference in our elections and the corrupt abuses by Trump to further that interference in the upcoming election? Did she choose to speak about these major and salient issues, and not get sidetracked by debunked GOP spin?

    If Hill said that there is no comparison between what certain Ukrainian officials did and what Russia did, why is it absurdly selective to omit any mention of this mostly fake Russian/GOP talking point?

    Also, Somerby provides no example of what he is talking about re: Maddow. It’s also odd that he discusses Hill’s testimony rather extensively, but then faults Maddow for her omissions *the night before* Hill’s testimony.

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    1. 'It’s also odd that he discusses Hill’s testimony rather extensively, but then faults Maddow for her omissions *the night before* Hill’s testimony. '

      It's not odd at all. Somerby is a liar and a Trumptard.

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  4. The Steele dossier is apparently still a rabbit hole, but it is a GOP/Fox News rabbit hole. They have always asserted that the dossier was what started the FBI/Mueller investigation. That is untrue. It is a politically convenient lie. Is Somerby aware of that?

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    1. Somerby is only aware of Trumptard right wing talking points since they can be used to attack liberals and defend Trump, Devin Nunes, Ron Johnson and Roy Moore.

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  5. 'Our own multimillionaire corporate-paid minders will keep such knowledge from us.'

    In Somerby's case, the corporate-paid minders are Hannity, Limbaugh and the like, since Somerby is a Trumptard.

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  6. i have it on my authority that it is totally possible that it was Andorra that hacked the DNC e-mails.
    It is totally possible that they are the real culprits some say.

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  7. From Sean Colarossi at Politicus:

    "The fact that Devin Nunes appears to be directly involved in Donald Trump’s extortion scheme is even more stunning given the fact that he is a key figure in the ongoing impeachment proceedings.

    Over the past several weeks as a throng of Trump administration officials testified before the House Intelligence Committee – the committee of which he’s the ranking member – Nunes has tried to smear the witnesses and chairman Rep. Adam Schiff, all while pushing Russian talking points.

    In light of the explosive new reporting, the Republican lawmaker shouldn’t be part of conducting the impeachment inquiry into Donald Trump. If anything, he should be a subject of the investigation."

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