DEBATES: Candidate Kennedy rose from his nap!

TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 10, 2024

Kilmeade brought in the trash: "By mid-September all had been arranged."

So wrote Theodore White, describing the process by which the first presidential debates came into being. As White explained in a famous book, the debates would be presented to the public through the auspices of a new electronic medium—through the public's purchase of 40 million brand new TV sets.

The year was 1960. There were no "cable news" channels in the Big Woods. There were no national "talk radio" programs of any major consequence.

All we had were the three major networks. The schedule agreed to was this:

WHITE (page 283): There would be four debates—on September 26th, October 7th, October 13th and October 21st. The first would be produced by CBS out of Chicago, the second by NBC out of Washington, the third by ABC out of New York and Los Angeles and the fourth, again by ABC, out of New York. 

According to White, Candidate Kennedy initially wanted five debates. Eventually, the candidates agreed to hold four—and the four debates were parceled out among the three major networks.

To judge from White's reporting, "debate prep" may have been a bit more casual in those early days. According to White, Candidate Kennedy arrived in Chicago on Sunday, September 25, accompanied by a three-man "Brain Trust"—an entourage composed of three men who were strikingly young.

Theodore Sorenson was 31; Richard Goodwin was just 28. At 43, Mike Feldman was the graybeard of the group. According to White, the candidate's debate prep, such as it was, proceeded as described:

WHITE (page 284): Early on Monday they met the candidate in his suite for a morning session of questions and answers. The candidate read their suggestions for his opening eight-minute statement, disagreed, tossed their suggestions out, called his secretary, dictated another of his own; and then for four hours Kennedy and the Brain Trust considered together the Nixon position and the Kennedy position, with the accent constantly on fact: What was the latest rate of unemployment? What was steel production rate? What was the Nixon stand on this or that particular? The conversation, according to those present, was not only easy but rather comic and rambling, covering a vast number of issues entirely irrelevant to the debate. Shortly before one o’clock Goodwin and Feldman disappeared to a basement office in the Ambassador East to answer new questions the candidate had raised, and the candidate then had a gay lunch with Ted Sorensen, his brother Robert and public-opinion analyst Louis Harris. The candidate left shortly thereafter for a quick address to the United Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners of America (which Nixon had addressed in the morning) and came back to his room for a nap. About five o’clock he rose from his nap, quite refreshed, and assembled brother Robert, Sorensen, Harris, Goodwin and Feldman for another Harvard tutorial skull session.

Several who were present remember the performance [quite] vividly...The candidate lay on his bed in a white, open-necked T shirt and army suntan pants, and fired questions at his intimates. He held in his hand the fact cards that Goodwin and Feldman had prepared for him during the afternoon, and as he finished each, he sent it spinning off the bed to the floor. Finally, at about 6:30, he rose from his bed and decided to have dinner. He ate what is called “a splendid dinner” all by himself in his room, then emerged in a white shirt and dark-gray suit, called for a stop watch and proceeded to the old converted sports arena that is now CBS Station WBBM at McClurg Court in Chicago, to face his rival for the Presidency of the United States.

So the hopeful's debate prep went, with shards of comic, rambling banter and index cards flipped to the ground.

Meanwhile, Candidate Nixon "had spent the day in solitude, with no other companion but Mrs. Nixon, in his room at the Pick-Congress [Hotel]." It seems that his debate prep was even more casual than that of the candidate he opposed.

Mythologies have emerged about this first debate, one of which seems to trace directly to White's famous book. White's greatest concern—his belief that these debates had failed to inform the public—have largely been forgotten in this less rigorous time.

It was, in effect, a simpler time—a time which boasted far fewer means of mass communication. Tonight, Candidates Harris and Trump will stage their first and possibly their only debate—but they'll be operating in a vastly different cultural and journalistic context. 

For better or worse, we've come a long way, baby! Consider what happened last Saturday night when Judge Joe Brown was invited by the Fox News Channel's Brian Kilmeade to please bring in the trash.

TV was new in 1960, and we had only three networks. That first debate was moderated by Howard K. Smith of CBS News. He was only 46 at the time, but according to the leading authority on his career, he had a substantial background:

Howard K. Smith

Howard Kingsbury Smith (May 12, 1914 – February 15, 2002) was an American journalist, radio reporter, television anchorman, political commentator, and film actor. He was one of the original members of the team of war correspondents known as the Murrow Boys.

Upon graduating [from Tulane in 1936], Smith worked for the New Orleans Item, with United Press in London, and with The New York Times. In January 1940, Smith was sent to Berlin, where he joined the Columbia Broadcasting System under Edward R. Murrow. He visited Hitler's mountain retreat at Berchtesgaden and interviewed many leading Nazis, including Hitler himself, Schutzstaffel or "SS" leader Heinrich Himmler and Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels.

He had interviewed Hitler himself! The overview continues:

He was one of the last American reporters to leave Berlin before Germany and the United States went to war. His 1942 book, Last Train from Berlin: An Eye-Witness Account of Germany at War describes his observations from Berlin in the year after the departure of Berlin Diary author William L. Shirer. Last Train from Berlin became an American best-seller and was reprinted in 2001, shortly before Smith's death.

Smith became a significant member of the "Murrow Boys" that made CBS the dominant broadcast news organization of the era. In May 1945, he returned to Berlin to recap the German surrender.

Like the not-yet famous Walter Cronkite, Smith had been one of the "Murrow Boys." The background continues:

In 1946, Smith went to London for CBS with the title of chief European correspondent. In 1947, he made a long broadcasting tour of most of the nations of Europe, including behind the Iron Curtain. In 1949, Knopf published his The State of Europe, a 408-page country-by-country survey of Europe that drew on these experiences and that argued "both the American and the Russian policies are mistaken"; he advocated more "social reform" for Western Europe and more "political liberty" for Eastern Europe.

Despite these criticisms of Soviet policies, Smith was one of 151 alleged Communist sympathizers named in the Red Channels report issued in June 1950 at the beginning of the Red Scare, effectively placing him on the Hollywood blacklist.

Beginning on January 11, 1959, Smith moderated Behind the News with Howard K. Smith, a CBS-TV program "analyzing news events and the significance of issues in the news". The sustaining program was broadcast on Sundays from 6 to 6:30 p.m. Eastern Time.

So matters stood on the night of that first debate. In effect, Smith was a member of an American generation a new president would describe at an early point in his inaugural address:

KENNEDY (1/20/61): Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans—born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, proud of our ancient heritage—and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those human rights to which this nation has always been committed, and to which we are committed today at home and around the world.

The new president was principally speaking of himself and of his administration. But so it also seems to have been with (some of) the journalists of the day, including Cronkite and Smith. 

That said, Smith's days at CBS would soon come to an end. As its thumbnail of Smith's career continues, the leading authority explains:

Reporting on civil-rights riots in Birmingham in the early 1960s, Smith revealed the conspiracy that existed between police commissioner Bull Connor and the KKK to beat up black people and Freedom Riders. He planned to end his report "Who Speaks for Birmingham?" (broadcast date: May 18, 1961 with a quote from Edmund Burke, "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing," but the CBS lawyers intervened. Nonetheless, the documentary caused a stir (leading CBS to be sued and its Birmingham TV station to disaffiliate), and because his contract with CBS forbade editorializing, Smith was suspended and subsequently fired by CBS President William S. Paley.

Smith was out at CBS; he moved on to the less prominent ABC. In April 1996, reviewing one of Smith's books, the Washington Post's Herbert Mitgang puckishly described the ouster from CBS:

HOWARD K. SMITH: TV HISTORY

EVENTS LEADING UP TO MY DEATH The Life of a Twentieth-Century Reporter, by Howard K. Smith St. Martin's Press/A Thomas Dunne Book. 419 pp. $24.95.

In the history of American television, Howard K. Smith deserves a place of honor for being the only correspondent ever fired by a network for daring to quote Edmund Burke, the 18th-century British statesman.

Smith, a CBS News correspondent who had risked his neck reporting from prewar Berlin through the Battle of the Bulge, was covering the riots in Birmingham during the civil rights revolution in the early 1960s. Klansmen, encouraged by Bull Connor, the police commissioner, began to beat up blacks and Freedom Riders with bicycle chains and baseball bats. After giving an account of blood flowing in the streets, Smith, a former Rhodes scholar, ended his planned documentary with a quotation from Burke: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

The network powers summoned Smith to New York. He was told that his commentary violated "standards of objectivity." A CBS lawyer who vetted his broadcasts said, "Smith's quotation from Burke is straight editorial; it's out." He was asked to write a memo explaining the meaning of fairness and balance. At a showdown lunch in the office of William S. Paley, the CBS chairman reached into his pocket and drew out Smith's memo, which emphasized the need to enlighten the public. Paley threw the document across the lunch table at Smith. "I have heard all this junk before," the chairman said. "If that is what you believe, you had better go somewhere else." Goodbye, Burke. Goodbye, Smith.

"Witnessing the savage beatings in Birmingham was my worst experience since the opening of the concentration camps at the end of World War II," Smith writes.

If we choose to take Chairman Paley at his word, there was zero room for "editorializing" at that point in time. At any rate, with respect to the moderator of that first debate, "That's the way it was" at the CBS News of that time.

Is it possible that we the people—we the American people—were, at least in certain respects, a bit less frivolous then? Is it possible that we were dogged by fewer inanities at that time—perhaps by fewer distractions?

To borrow from Harper Lee, is it possible that something like this was true?

People moved slowly then. They ambled across the square, shuffled in and out of the stores around it, took their time about everything. A day was twenty-four hours long but seemed longer. There was no hurry, for there was nowhere to go, nothing to buy and no money to buy it with,

Is it possible that (some of) our journalists were (perhaps) more serious then? We know of no way to answer that question, but there were no "cable news" channels in the Big Woods, and there was no Fox News.

All we had was the three major networks! Within the communication landscape, there were no garbage cans out of which a figure like Judge Joe Brown might be invited to crawl.

Tonight, two candidates will take the stage for their first, and perhaps for their only, debate. 

One candidate was unexpectedly thrust onto the scene when President Biden withdrew from the race. Whatever her actual merits and demerits might be, she has struggled to assemble a campaign as various flyweights fill the airwaves, asking why it has taken her so long.

The other candidate arrived on the scene in 2015 after four years of pretending that President Barack Obama had been born in Kenya. He had sent his agents to Hawaii to figure the whole thing out!

The Fox News Channel had provided the platform for that long-running con. Last Saturday night, with tonight's debate approaching, that channel sent Brian Kilmeade onto the air to introduce Judge Joe Brown.

Brown is a once-famous "TV judge." He crawled out of the garbage can last Saturday night in a type of performance which couldn't have occurred in the days when Theodore White worried about the failure of the television debates to fully inform us the people.

The year was 2024, and we now had "podcasts."  On one such recent broadcast, Judge Joe had called Candidate Harris "a piece of shit." Also, he had referred to her as a "humping hyena."

That performance made him a perfect fit for a "journalist" like Kilmeade. 

This morning, as the debate draws near, the New York Times fills its pages with an assortment of thumb-sucking drivel—with imitations of journalism. Also, the Times insists on ignoring the gruesome "journalistic" culture which now surrounds our election campaigns and our ersatz debates.

We've come a long way, citizens! Candidate Kennedy rose from his nap. Decades later, Brian Kilmeade was eager to bring in the trash.

Kilmeade opened the garbage can. When he did, the major news orgs of Blue America politely averted their gaze. 

Tomorrow: Kilmeade opens the can


100 comments:

  1. "This morning, as the debate draws near, the New York Times fills its pages with an assortment of thumb-sucking drivel—with imitations of journalism. "

    This morning there are 12 articles about Trump in the New York Times compared to 3 articles comparing the positions of both candidates and 1 saying that Harris could lose.

    Both:

    Harris-Trump Debate: 90 High-Stakes Minutes in Rush to Election Day

    Where They Stand on the Issues

    ‘It’s Not Pandering When You Tell the Truth’: Five Columnists Game Out the Debate

    Articles about Trump:

    Our reporter explains how Donald Trump is preparing for the debate (video)

    Trump Mocks Harris’s Height. But Her Fans See a Certain Stature.

    Trump Steps Up Threats to Imprison Those He Sees as Foes

    For Trump, Tariffs Are the Solution to Almost Any Problem

    What Polls Say About a Key Group: Begrudging Trump Voters

    Donald Trump on the Dollar, in His Own Words

    Donald Trump and the Meaning of a Raised Fist

    Trump Makes No Sense and Is Full of Meaning

    Why Trump Can Afford to Disrespect His Anti-Abortion Voters

    Former Project 2025 Leader Accuses Trump Campaign Advisers of ‘Malpractice’

    Trump Wants to Shut Down the Department of Education? Is That Possible?

    With Trump Media Stock Cratering, Donald Trump Has a Decision to Make

    Articles about Harris:

    A Clear Choice on the Issue Voters Care About Most (Not sure about this one -- it is behind a paywall)

    Kamala Harris Could be in Trouble

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    Hillary Clinton had trouble in 2016 because she couldn't get the press to cover her policy issues. It appears Harris is encountering the same bias, not that the articles about Trump are about issues. How does a candidate have a fair chance when one candidate consumes all of the oxygen in the room?

    What is wrong with the NY Times? Yes, some of the Trump articles are negative and discuss things that may not reflect well on him, but they are talking about him, and that may be enough to boost him (given the old adage that there is no such thing as bad publicity). His name is all over today's headlines.

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    1. Where I can I find a resource to conduct a detailed analysis of Harris's policy issues?

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    2. Her policies are now listed on her campaign webpage. You can also read the detailed Democratic Party Platform that she is running on. As far as an analysis, the NY Times is comparing the positions of the two candidates on various issues, side by side, but there is no depth to it.

      If you google Harris and whatever policy issue term you are interested in, in the same search, you may find articles analyzing her positions. For example, I searched on "Harris climate change" (no quote marks) and found these, among others:

      https://apnews.com/article/harris-trump-climate-energy-electric-vehicles-0989a331574665365330b21108f7f9b3

      https://www.carbonbrief.org/us-election-2024-how-kamala-harris-and-donald-trump-differ-starkly-on-energy-and-climate/

      https://www.npr.org/2024/08/11/g-s1-16052/kamala-harris-climate-change-environment-trump

      Do the same with whichever issues you are concerned about. Substitute Trump for Harris in your search to find articles about his positions.

      I find that Ground News is a useful resource for evaluating the bias of various sources on the internet. They are at: ground.news

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    3. Her website has one paragraph of 200 words about climate change. How would a journalist over that? The AP article to which you linked is a comparative overview, not a detailed analysis. It dedicates approximately 270 words to Kamala Harris' climate policy.

      Where I can I find a resource to conduct a detailed analysis of Harris's policy issues?

      As of now, there's not really any policy data to cover. Is there?


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    4. 10:52 please provide a presidential candidate's policy position on climate change that is as detailed as you are looking for.

      Trump's position is "climate change is climate change", same as on every issue.

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    5. If they are all <200 words and the candidate doesn't give interviews, how can one expect the press to cover her policy issues?

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    6. Do your own research. There were many more links where those two came from. Follow them and read what you find relevant to your purposes.

      You say there is NO policy data, but that is not true. There may be none at an expert level but most prospective voters do not operate at that level and would not have the background to read what you are seeking. Her statements are certainly way more detailed than Trump's.

      What about the Carbon News article? That should have been more technical. Beyond that, I suggest that you read what the Biden administration has already been doing along whatever lines interest you, since she is pledging to continue much of that and most likely only discussing differences where her own plans diverge from the current administration.

      Claiming that there is insufficient info is farcical.

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    7. Interviews are no more detailed than policy statements in other formats. They all come from the same source -- the candidate's campaign. Harris is wonkish for a candidate, but it seems to me you are placing the bar far higher than it has been placed for others running for the same office, which is not a good faith search for info but a gotcha game.

      The point of policy statements is to inform the average voter, not to satisfy technical curiosity. You can call her office if you have a specific question. The point of issuing policy statements is not to cause people's eyes to glaze over or to confuse voters.

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    8. I realize you're probably joking but the Carbon Brief article mentions that neither candidate has released a detailed plan for climate and energy policy. Nor does it say why this is the the case or whether both are equally at fault for a lack of specificity. The Carbon Brief article is not in depth or even an analysis. It focuses on Harris's general alignment with the Biden administration's climate agenda, and says nothing about how she plans to implement or expand those policies as a presidential candidate.

      So what is the media supposed to cover if Harris, supposedly like Clinton, "couldn't get the press to cover her policy issues"???

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    9. Why is "Harris's general alignment with the Biden administration's climate agenda" not a statement of HER OWN prospective climate and energy policy?

      What is Trump's detailed plan for energy? He plans to swim toward the shark and away from the boat with the battery he thinks will electrocute him (not possible). What is his plan for climate? He thinks there will be more beachfront property, so it will be good when oceans rise. Actually, the opposite will be true, but Trump doesn't reason well about science.

      Next to this, you think Harris's plan to continue Biden's policy is not specific enough? What did the press ask Harris during her CNN interview? Nothing specific and detailed about climate change. They accused her of changing some of her positions from 2019. So, you think the problem is that Harris hasn't given enough interviews? I think the problem is that the interviews are a waste of her time, when she is getting a late start on posting her positions on her webpage and preparing to discuss them at tonight's debate.

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    10. Is the biggest climate issue whether Harris has walked back her support for a ban on plastic drinking straws (expressed while she was Senator from CA, which has such a law)? Are you aware of what Biden has done for climate and energy during his term? Or is your purpose here to accuse Harris of having no clear policies available to the public?

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  2. Somerby describes the actions of network heads removing on-screen journalists for taking positions, then asks:

    "Is it possible that we the people—we the American people—were, at least in certain respects, a bit less frivolous then? Is it possible that we were dogged by fewer inanities at that time—perhaps by fewer distractions?"

    I do not believe that the American people can be equated to corporate management at media networks, if that is what Somerby is saying. It is hard to tell when he inserts a paragraph without explicitly referring back to those he has just discussed. Who speaks for the American people in such situations? Cronkite or his bosses? Or perhaps neither, as now.

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    1. Bob is certainly correct that our culture, political and otherwise, has become wildly frivolous ( we might say “dumbed down) to an extent where recovery is tough to imagine. Leaving his own bad behavior aside, Bob will never concede among the frivolous (also crude, stubborn
      and even sadistic) are certainly Bob’s good friends and neighbors.
      Donald Trump assembled a mob of drunk drivers, wife beaters and worse to attack the nation’s Capitol. They wiped shit on the walls and tried to kill our elected officals. When a committee revealed basic facts about the riot,
      Bob said “too biased, I’m not impressed,” and turned over to Fox. His defenders here just get mad if you bring this up.

      It doesn’t get more frivolous than
      that.

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  3. "Kilmeade opened the garbage can. When he did, the major news orgs of Blue America politely averted their gaze.

    Tomorrow: Kilmeade opens the can"

    Two days ago, Somerby promised to discuss what Brown said. Yesterday he repeated that tease. Today, he is still not discussing Brown. Eventually he will get there, because how can he resist repeating a slur on Harris?

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    1. I take it back -- he does refer today to Brown, repeating the teases and his piece of shit remark, but what more is there to say about this?

      Tomorrow everyone will be discussing the debate. Will Somerby really talk about Kilmeade then? What is the point of this, if not to simply slur Harris over and over? Why does Somerby stretch this out?

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    2. Somerby's laziness does nothing to quell the debate over whether he is really a Right-winger.

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  4. "People moved slowly then. They ambled across the square, shuffled in and out of the stores around it, took their time about everything."

    Somerby attributes this quote to Harper Lee, but he doesn't say that it is from To Kill a Mockingbird, a book that was set in a fictional AL town in the 1930s. It is not about the 1960s, the time period Somerby describes when discussing journalistic standards of objectivity (and the breakdown of that objectivity when covering the civil rights movement in 1961). It has nothing to do with journalism at all and it does not describe today either. So why is the quote there?

    Lately, I feel the same confusion when reading Somerby as when Trump inserts stories about sharks and batteries into his stump speech. These tangents are increasingly being described as a symptom of cognitive decline in old age, whether it is Trump doing it, Biden or Somerby. Respect for one's readers requires editing, not just stream of consciousness writing. Somerby has always refused to go back and reduce his redundancy, edit out the non-sequiturs and curb his nostalgic meandering tangential nonsense, much less correct typos. But he really needs to be editing himself because these inserts detract from whatever sense he might otherwise make.

    Some guy got fired for covering civil rights on TV back in the height of the civil rights movement. What does that have to do with Trump's manifest unfitness for the presidency? What does it have to do with debate prep. Does anyone imagine that Kamala Harris will need to take a nap before her appearance on stage? Trump, as we all know, naps constantly and never sleeps at night, and that shows in his inability to concentrate. While Somerby writes gibberish.

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    1. The firing of a journalist back in the civil rights era underscores the decline in journalistic integrity, pointing out journalists like them were held to strict standards of "objectivity." Yet today, media platforms have become more permissive and sensational, often favoring spectacle over serious journalism which, the post suggests, has contributed to a media environment where someone like Trump can thrive despite what Somerby sees as his unfitness for the presidency.

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    2. Where I can I find a resource to conduct a detailed analysis of Harris's policy issues?

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    3. @10:35 See above, where you first asked this question.

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    4. That didn't answer the questions. The resources to which you linked were laughably broad boilerplate.

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    5. So, go dig into the weeds yourself.

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    6. "So, go dig into the weeds yourself."

      Where?

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    7. Earth to 11:01, politicians do not offer minutiae on policies, they offer broad rhetoric; details are worked out by bureaucrats and those that write legislation based on conferring with experts.

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    8. Where did you find detailed analysis of Trump and Biden's policy issues?
      Or Trump and Clinton's? Or Obama and Romney's? Or Obama and McCain's?, etc.
      I'd start there.

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    9. So what is the media supposed to cover if Harris, supposedly like Clinton, "couldn't get the press to cover her policy issues"? How should they cover her broad rhetoric?

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    10. "Somerby writes gibberish" and his "tangents are increasingly being described as a symptom of cognitive decline in old age."

      Somerby writes two stream-of-consciousness essays a day, and he's done so for well over two decades. That's his style. I have detected no sign of any age-related decline in his thought, which I personally find to be incisive. If, however, you feel that what he writes is gibberish, then the question I have for you is: Why do you read him?

      Honestly, no other blogger that I know of has so many commenters who devote their lives to trashing him. I'm sincerely interested in knowing the reason why so many of Somerby's readers trash him, other than the horseshit reason that "true liberals are bound by a patriotic duty to warn gullible liberals that Somerby is a Russian asset pushing right-wing memes."

      So, if you're a normal person, rather than crackpot conspiracy theorist, and you feel that Somerby "writes gibberish," then why do you continue to read him?

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    11. 1:16 Loneliness, isolation, lack of power, need for attention. Scapegoating an intense dissatisfaction with life.

      Maybe they are paid by the DNC though.

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    12. 1:24 - Yes, your insight explains the conspiracy theorists better than any other explanation that I can come up with. (And, in fact, has led me to try (often unsuccessfully) to be kinder to them.) But how about normal people who read Somerby, find his style befuddling, but then continue to read him every day?

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    13. When Russia has been charged with paying "influencers" to sway the election toward Trump, how is it a conspiracy theory to believe someone like Somerby, who does that work every day, might be one of those paid shills?

      PP obviously doesnt know Somerby's history, has not been reading him from the days when he wrote cogent and thoughtful political analysis of press bias. PP doesn't seem to understand that Somerby changed in obvious ways back in 2015, when Trump came on the scene, doing other proven and convicted things to manipulate the election in his favor. Why might that not reflect an effort to help Trump? Somerby obviously did nothing to help Hillary. I think it is "normal" to wonder when a person who has a lengthy track record makes such an abrupt change in his blog content.

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    14. I suppose I should feel sorry for PP if he genuinely finds Somerby incisive and sees no deterioration in his writing. Most others don't feel that way about Somerby. A lot of the former commenters left because Somerby is so far from what he used to be. I stay because Somerby tells lies and this is a time when truth must be defended. I've said that many times now, but PP keeps asking why. Perhaps he is retarded, or perhaps the question is not being asked in good faith, but as another attempt to defend Somerby, much like the other right wing trolls who are Somerby's only admirers these days.

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    15. @1:15 I posted some example of ways the press has covered Harris's position on climate change. It would be fine if they continued in that vein, without the endless articles about whether she smiles too much or has been dodging sit-down interviews. But as I posted at the beginning, having 12 articles about Trump and only 2 about Harris isn't fair, especially on the day of a debate. It will tend to bias those who watch the debate, if only into thinking that Harris is less important than Trump (despite being the incumbent VP and leading in the polls). Women have enough trouble being taken seriously without the NY Times deemphasizing her to the point of making her invisible on their front page today.

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    16. Why would anyone take Harris seriously? She fell up into the position. No one ever voted for her. She would stand no chance in a true democratic process. You'll see why tonight. Plus, as you say, she's a woman. She should be on her knees scrubbing the floor or out in the yard tending to the laundry. Most women should.

      They is four things that can destroy the earth. Women, whiskey, money and women.

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    17. 2:25,
      I hear the only reason Harris has had consensual sex with adults, is to own the Right. If so, she's nailing it. It's driving them crazy, which is hilarious to watch.

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    18. "doing other proven and convicted things to manipulate the election in his favor."

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    19. Somerby, please ban this troll from your comment section. He is violating the hate speech restriction on Blogspot. My next step will be to report him:

      "Why would anyone take Harris seriously? She fell up into the position. No one ever voted for her. She would stand no chance in a true democratic process. You'll see why tonight. Plus, as you say, she's a woman. She should be on her knees scrubbing the floor or out in the yard tending to the laundry. Most women should."

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    20. 1:53/1:56 - I assure you I've been reading Somerby every day since the Clinton administration. I'm not interested in you or your "defense of truth," at all. Even a little bit. Instead, I'm wondering about people who find Somerby's style confusing, but continue to read him anyway.

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    21. Harris was elected to District Attorney of San Francisco, Attorney General of the State of California, Senator from California in the US Senate, and then Vice President (on the ticket with Joe Biden as President). Lots of people have voted for her repeatedly, including myself. I'm sure she would do a better job than Trump at scrubbing the floor or doing laundry (which doesn't need "tending"), but I would rather she replaced him as president, where she would do a much better job with far greater benefits to our country, especially conpared to Trump's puny efforts. He seems to be only capable of napping these days.

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    22. By the way, 1:56, calling someone "retarded" seems a tad over the line for a "progressive."

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    23. I can’t wrap my head around the idea that Trump represents insanity and the end of democracy, but Somerby criticizes Harris and thereby, just like the fucking mainstream media, undermines her candidacy, thereby helping to elect Trump. Explain that, PP.

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    24. Do I have to explain America and Enlightenment Values to you? You can be a liberal and still criticize our imperfect leaders, believe it or not.

      And, you may have noticed that Somerby criticizes Trump too, and pretty severely, to boot. So you must figure he's undermining Trump's candidacy, thereby helping to elect Harris. Explain that, 7:59.

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    25. Somerby has never written a thorough or cogent analysis of the flaws of anyone he slimes here. He has never explained why he is advancing right wing talking points (at the same time as they are being discussed by the right elsewhere). Somerby has never explained why criticizing Gutfeld requires him to repeat the anti-Biden poopy pants jokes or any of the other slime he repeats. He has now said that Harris is a piece of shit three times, count them, three. What kind of analysis of a leader's flaws is that? It sounds like name-calling to me, even when Somerby says it and not Brown. Does Kamala Harris deserve to be called that, three times, for whatever delay she had in posting her policies on her webpage?

      Pretending that Somerby is engaging in criticizing our imperfect leaders when he repeats slime is a ridiculous defense of him, PP. It is obviously a lie.

      Somerby calls Trump crazy, knowing that his supporters will not be deflected one inch in their support for their Dear Leader. It is part of his cover. On the other hand, calling Harris a piece of shit is uncomfortably close to calling attention to her brown skin, evoking racist hostility in his readers and condoning bad behavior that is routine on the right.

      You perhaps weren't here in the days when Somerby was opposing school desegregation, or when he insisted that Ketanji Brown Jackson couldn't possibly be qualified for the Supreme Court, or when he singled Kamala Harris out for repeating statistics from the Dept of Labor website about the gender pay gap, simply because Somerby does not believe women are at a disadvantage on the job market. You can perhaps criticize liberal leaders from the left, but you cannot hold these other racist and sexist opinions and call yourself one of us. And that applies to you too PP. No one will believe you. Whatever Somerby is, and there are a lot of choices when speculating, he is not one of us.

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    26. The only positive thing Somerby has ever said about Kamala Harris is that she has a nice smile.

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    27. PP, no one says you can’t criticize Harris. It just seems ill-advised with so much on the line. It’s like attacking the social Democrats when Hitler was running. The bad mouthing has an effect on the electorate.

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    28. "I'm wondering about people who find Somerby's style confusing, but continue to read him anyway."

      You are? Why? It's their business no matter how illogical it seems to you.

      I, for one, don't wonder why you're such an obdurate fussbudget. You are and it's your business.

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  5. Simon Rosenberg (Hopium Chronicles) offers new poll results this morning:

    "Three new polls released today also show a national popular vote consistent with this battleground data. Harris a 4 pt lead among likely voters (LVs) in a Big Village poll, a 3 pt lead among LVs in a new NPR/Marist poll, and a 2.4 pt lead in a new Activote poll. We enter the debate Harris up 2.8 pts in the 538 average, Dems 2.6 pts in the Congressional Generic, in far better shape among Senate/Gov races in the battlegrounds and with meaningful financial, organization and intensity advantages. "

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  6. If the Cheney candidate continues the way she is going, we will see an assassination or fatal accident in the next few months.

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    1. Whoever you are, remarks like this are in poor taste. The right may thrive on violence and threats, but this is supposedly a liberal blog. Take this shit outdoors. If you cannot be civil, I will report your comments to Blogspot.

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    2. It's true. What is the problem?

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    3. Need I remind you? This is America. We shoot our presidents down like dogs in the middle of the street if they don't stay in line.

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    4. 11:06, brother, please, you are not from nor in America.

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    5. Somerby has attracted a new right wing troll, nastier than the previous ones.

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    6. Until we do something about gun owners selling guns to criminals on the black market, it's always a good bet that the USA will see chaotic violence.

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    7. @10:59 wrote, "The right may thrive on violence and threats..."

      The truth could no be more opposite. At left wing demonstrations -- especially ANTIFA and George Floyd riots -- there have been at least 20 homicides. Hundreds of buildings were burned down.

      Even as we speak, left wing demonstrations at some campuses involve violence and threats against Jewish students.

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    8. There is no way in hell a Right-winger would protest a police officer choking to death an unarmed black man for over 10 minutes, while other police officers stood around and let it happen.
      Anyone who says otherwise, is a liar.

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    9. I heard the statements by right wing politicians after the latest school shooting. Antifa is fictional and the right hauls it out whenever it wants to paint the left as violent, but the people arrested for that violence are Proud Boys trying to provoke riots, not BLM protesters.

      How can left wingers be engaging in violence when right wingers own all the guns? Even that kid who shot at Trump was a Republican. Perhaps he was egged on by the white supremacists trying to start a race war by assassinating public figures. We won't know because he died during his attack.

      The right always seems to categorize peaceful protests along with violence perpetrated by opportunist criminals and right wing hooligans, because they don't actually care about the violence. Their goal is to discredit the protests, which are a First-Amendment exercise of free speech.

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    10. Did they not blow Kennedy's head off while he was still in the car? Shot down like a dog in broad daylight?

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    11. Like many current Republican Congressional representatives, the guy who blew Kennedy's head off is believed to be a Russian stooge.

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    12. @1:17 A leftish shot Kennedy. The assassin was a buddy of Fidel Castro.

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    13. Do we call Ted Cruz a leftish too, because of his father's association with Cuba?

      We do not know why Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy. Kennedy was shot long range by a man with a rifle in a book depository building. He didn't shoot Kennedy in the face like Kristi Noem shot her dog. He couldn't see Kennedy's face from his vantage point. "They" is an inappropriate pronoun given that no conspiracy has ever been proven. It could as easily have been a mafia hit (as has been suggested due to Bobby's attacks as AG on organized crime).

      If Kennedy had not been sitting up on the back of a convertible so that crowds could see him, he would likely have survived the shooting. So, no, he wasn't shot down like a dog unless you already considered him to be a dog @1:17. I would bet that whoever shot him (or ordered his shooting) considered him a dog, and that is not the usual attitude toward Kennedy held by the left.

      That kind of language toward human beings is one of the reasons why I dislike right wing commenters. It is easy for you to say such things about a long dead, revered president, but you are the kind of filth who cannot express sympathy after a school shooting either, in which innocent students and teachers were killed while going about their day's activities.

      Somerby has been kvetching about Brown calling Harris a piece of shit. YOU are the only one around here who deserves that label. Go back to wherever you were commenting yesterday. No one wants you here, not even the right wing trolls here, who at least know that this isn't one of your adolescent incel blogs.

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    14. This new commenter should adopt the nym Kyle Rittenhouse. That is who he reminds me of.

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    15. It perfectly executed, skillfully done.

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    16. "Even as we speak, left wing demonstrations at some campuses involve violence and threats against Jewish students."

      I've heard that right-winger Bibi Netanyahu is inflicting some violence on left-wing Palestinians.

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    17. Somerby -- please ban this troll from commenting here. His comments are unacceptable to normal people. This specific comment refers back to blowing JFK's head off. We don't need this here. My next step will be to contact Blogspot with a complaint about this blog.

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    18. Out of bounds comment: "It perfectly executed, skillfully done."

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    19. Put your head out the window, let the good times roll
      There's a party goin' on behind the Grassy Knoll!

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    20. Do people on the right find this funny? Deplorable is too nice a word for people like you.

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    21. Riding in the backseat next to my wife
      Heading straight on in to the afterlife

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  7. Can Harris dissociate herself from Biden's policies?
    @charlescwcooke
    “They finally added an ‘Issues’ section to her website . . . Unfortunately for Harris, its release was undermined by a simple but telling error: The page’s source code revealed that parts of the platform were copied directly from Biden’s campaign page.”


    https://x.com/charlescwcooke/status/1833463549189845338?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1833463549189845338%7Ctwgr%5E6c00c1de4cb9b76ba96458de5c7e874d793ee2e5%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Finstapundit.com%2F671617%2F

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    1. All the women pissed-off over the Dobbs decision will miss your vote, David.

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    2. Why wouldn't she use the same text if she is carrying on the same policy? Note that only "parts" of the platform were copied. That implies the rest is different.

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    3. I'm pissed off over the Dobbs decision, as a matter of policy. I'm appalled by some of the extreme anti-abortion policies in some states.

      However, IMO it's clearly legally correct, whereas Roe made no legal sense. The Constitution simply doesn't address abortion or the beginning of life, so the Supreme Court has no authority to set policy on this issue.

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    4. Is legal correctness more important than moral correctness?

      As was pointed out here yesterday, there are many things that the Supreme Court has decided and that are part of established precedent (stare decisis) that are not enumerated in the Constitution. Abortion was widely practiced at the time of the Revolution and writing of the constitution. Women were excluded from the Constitution because they were ineligible to vote, own property or function as full citizens, any more than slaves or indigenous people. Not because of beliefs about abortion but because of beliefs about women's ability to make decisions. Children belonged to their fathers. Are you seriously arguing that because of this history, the Supreme Court cannot make decisions setting policy on women's equal participation in our nation's life and their own health?

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    5. @1:36 asks, "Is legal correctness more important then moral correctness?" I'd say it generally is. Try this example:

      OJ Simpson murdered two people. He deserved to be executed. It would have morally correct for Ruth Bader Ginsberg to have taken a gun and killed OJ. I'm glad she didn't exceeds her legal authority.

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    6. @1:36 I think you would see things my way if the Supreme Court made a decision that you disagree with.

      I would guess that a majority of the Supreme Court believe abortion is morally wrong. How would you feel if the SC ruled that they have the power to decide about abortion, and they ruled that abortion is always murder, regardless of state law?

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    7. The Supreme Court has made several decisions I disagree with, but I used to respect it as an institution, before I found out that right wing justices are accepting bribes from wealthy people.

      If someone believes abortion is morally wrong, they are free to not have one. They are not free to restrict the freedom of women to make their own health decisions and exercise autonomy over their own bodies, especially concerning reproduction. I agree with the stare decisis decision that a right to privacy is implicit in the wording of our Constitution, encompassing not only abortion but also who can marry, what kind of sex people can have with each other as consenting adults, whether or not to have children, and similar highly personal individual decisions. I do not want this to become a police state where the govt (at any level) uses its technology to spy on citizens to enforce rules that it has no public interest in making.

      I disagree with most of the gun rulings made by the Supreme Court, because it is a failure to protect citizens from gun violence. But I recognize the right of the court to make such decisions. I do not recognize the right of the alt-right to appoint biased judges who will enact their agenda on a public that did not elect extremists as representatives and does not want them to force citizens into their warped way of living. That includes Christian Nationalists, Q-Anon, White Supremacists, and others who realize they will never convince the mainstream and now want to subvert our government using interference and force. That is what Trump represents with his Project 2025.

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    8. Or that money is speech?

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    9. If the Supreme Court made a decision I disagree with? You mean like declaring that the President of the United States doesn't have to obey the law?

      You want to talk about "nowhere in the Constitution"? That's nowhere and the majority didn't even try to pretend that decision was supported by the Constitution. They relied on "history"

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    10. @2:47 - I agree with you that abortion ought to be legal, but your argument has a logical flaw called "begging the question" or "assuming the conclusion". You wrote, "They are not free to restrict the freedom of women to make their own health decisions and exercise autonomy over their own bodies."

      But, the disagreement is about whether a fetus is just a part of woman's body. Unlike an arm or a kidney, the fetus will develop into a separate human being. We decide when that fetus should be treated as a human being.

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    11. Who decides? Pregnant woman themselves?
      Scientists? Politicians? Doctors? Commenters at TDH?
      Does each person bring their own biases to the decision, and is that good or bad?

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    12. I agree with you Quaker. I found the decision excusing the President from criminal prosecution, even after he's out of office, for acts committed during his Presidency, Constitutionally bizarre.

      It may be a good thing, though, given the hyper-partisanship. Trump's ridiculous prosecution for a misdemeanor that was long past its statute of limitations illustrates the harm done by partisanship. I do not want to see revenge prosecution of ex-President Biden. I doubt that Biden could be convicted of bribery, but IMO there's enough evidence to justify investigating him and maybe charging him. I would not want to see Biden spend his remaining years fighting some malicious prosecution.

      And, if Trump is re-elected, past experience shows what we can expect.

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    13. Trump was convicted of 34 felony counts, not a misdemeanor. Trump's actions likely caused Hillary to lose the election because had the info about Trump's affair with Stormy been released at the same time as the pussy tape, he likely would have lost the election. Even so, he needed the help of Comey and Russia to win. So, David, this was a real crime with serious implications. In contrast, Biden didn't do the things he has been accused of. That's why they have not been charged, must less convicted in court, the way Trump has been. Biden has already been maliciously persecuted by Congress, which is ironic given his basic honesty and ethic of self-sacrifice, obvious in every part of his career.

      Trump is going to jail after he loses the election, because Marchan is going to sentence him to real time. That is why he postponed the sentencing.

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    14. @8:34 The bad act that Trump supposedly committed was a very old misdemeanor. The bizarre way that a single alleged old misdemeanor was converted into 34 felonies is something that will eventually be overturned on appeal.

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    15. It was in 2015-16. He wasn’t charged for having sex but for manipulating an election. The 34 felonies were the hush money and falsified records, done in order to conceal his campaign wrongdoing. There was no misdemeanor related to his sex with Stormy.

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  8. Cut-and-paste day for the Howler.

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  9. Crickets from Somerby about any of this:

    "Earlier this year, I wrote a piece for The Big Picture asking an important question: Just how much has Russia compromised the Republican Party? After all, top GOP leaders on the House Intelligence and Foreign Affairs Committee had begun openly lamenting the use of Kremlin talking points on the House floor by some of their colleagues, most notably by Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (Q-Moscow).

    And in March, Politico reported that a number of European politicians had been recently paid by Russia to interfere in the upcoming EU elections. Russian agents had set up a fake “media” outlet called “Voice of Europe” and used money to influence officials to take pro-Russia stances. Authorities seized money and launched an investigation into which members of the European Parliament had accepted cash bribes.

    Given this behavior by Russia in Europe and the widespread adoption of Russia propaganda within Congress itself, like Carrie Bradshaw I couldn’t help but wonder: “Are the Russians doing the same with U.S. politicians, directly or indirectly?”

    We are one important step closer to that answer with yesterday’s announcement of indictments, which were part of a larger Justice Department investigation into Putin’s influence on our elections. Two Russian nationals were named as defendants, but far more importantly, they funneled nearly $10 million through shell companies to a Tennessee-based company called Tenet Media—the home of several high profile right wing influencers.

    These influencers, with millions of fans online, were paid to promote pro-Russian stories, particularly around Ukraine. The stories included blatant misinformation, including attempts to falsely blame Ukraine for terror attacks in Moscow. "

    https://statuskuo.substack.com/p/russia-bought-the-right

    This particular article is about influencing American foreign policy toward Ukraine, but Russia has also been found to have bought the election for Donald Trump in 2016. Investigations into money laundering on behalf of Russian oligarchs will yield results after the election, if Harris is elected. The point is that there are other types of influencers besides those talking about Ukraine. Some talk about the election and are known to infest social media and internet comment sections. Why not here? It could be that our resident trolls are just passionate partisans, but some comment at irregular hours (in the middle of our night as well as during the day, which would be physically unlikely for a single individual to do). Some have revealing language problems and gaps in knowledge that would be unusual for a native English speaker or an American to show. And they are uniformly here to defend the blog owner from criticism over his Trump-shilling and advancing of right wing talking points and Fox News content.

    Interference in this presidential election is happening. The question here is whether Somerby is helping it along. I think it is highly likely. I thought there was interference by Russia in Hillary's defeat. I was called a conspiracy theorist back then, but history has vindicated my opinion (and hers). I expect that will happen this time too.

    In the meantime, I am going to vote enthusiastically for Kamala Harris. Trump represents everything I am against. His alignment with Russia against his own country's interests are just another reason to detest him, among many. I don't care whether anyone here is or is not paid to be an influencer. I am most concerned with the rotten content they are pushing, and that includes Somerby.

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    1. This is basic propaganda by statuskuo.substack.com. (Guilt by Association and Leading Questions) Eg. “Are the Russians doing the same with U.S. politicians?” plants the idea without directly stating it as fact.

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    2. There is already evidence of Russian meddling in US elections on behalf of Republicans, in exchange for support for Russia in the war they started by invading Ukraine.

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    Interference in this presidential election is happening. The question here is whether Somerby is helping it along. I think it is highly likely. I thought there was interference by Russia in Hillary's defeat. I was called a conspiracy theorist back then, but history has vindicated my opinion (and hers). I expect that will happen this time too

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  11. Russia is not the only entity trying to put Trump into office and influence national policy, billionaires are funding election interference efforts too:

    "Polling expert and FiveThirtyEight founder Nate Silver updated his presidential election forecast Sunday and gave GOP nominee Donald Trump a 63.8 percent chance of winning the Electoral College in November, with Democratic Vice President Kamala Harris trailing with only a 36 percent chance.

    But veteran conservative consultant Stuart Stevens — a Never Trumper conservative who is supporting Harris — is critical of Silver's forecast, arguing that there is a connection between Silver's FiveThirtyEight and billionaire Trump supporter Peter Thiel.

    In a Tuesday post on X, Stevens wrote, "Polymarket is Peter Thiel's creation. @NateSilver538 is being paid by Peter Thiel."

    In May, Forbes reported that "controversial billionaire political donor Peter Thiel and Ethereum founder Vitalik Buterin" had "raised about $70 million in funding for Polymarket."

    According to Axios' Sara Fischer, the predictions market platform Polymarket hired Silver as an adviser in July." [Rawstory]

    https://www.rawstory.com/nate-silver-is-paid-by-peter-thiel-never-trumper-scrambles-after-pro-trump-poll-predict/?utm_source=superhead

    Peter Thiel also funded the career and campaign of JD Vance, now running as Trump's VP. Statistician Nate Silver has been energetically pushing the idea that Trump is way ahead in this election and will win, despite what other polls have been saying.

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    1. I don't believe Nate Silver is connected to 538 any more:

      "Founder Nate Silver left in 2023, taking the rights to his forecasting model with him to his website Silver Bulletin."

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    2. Oh, that's a propaganda tactic called guilt by association. They are telling you that to undermine the credibility of Silver by implying because he is associated with this guy, therefore his work is automatically suspect.

      They are using it on you to shift the focus away from what he is saying to his character. Is it or is it not an implication?

      Most of us don't realize we are living a world awash with propaganda that would make the old Soviet regimes blush. Most of us fall for simple propaganda like this, not realizing it is basic guilt by association 101.

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    3. 4:40,
      It's disgraceful the way the Right is trying to slime Harris with Biden. Guilt by association, indeed.

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    4. Deport Peter Thiel.

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    5. It isn't guilt by association when a wealthy person is funding a politician in hopes of gaining favor when that person is elected. These billionaires who buy right wing politicians and judges should not be part of our political process, much less government.

      Right wingers seem to consider Trump's inflated wealth to be a qualification for office. In reality, it is an indication that Trump and his billionaire buddies will grift and cheat and loot our nation's resources without conscience, because that is how a person becomes and stays wealthy.

      I would be in favor of a Constitutional Ammendment to prohibit people with too much wealth from public service in any capacity. There is too much temptation to graft for such people.

      I personally do not want to see Thiel or Elon or the Kochs or Harlan Crow or Adelson or any of them as part of our government, but I'm sure Project 2025 will eliminate the talented members of govt and replace them with dilettantes who have no idea what they are doing. Those are the type of people Trump appointed the first time around, including his daughter Ivanka and son-in-law Jaren Kushner, who greedily enriched themselves at our nation's expense.

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    6. It is guilt by association unless there is evidence of a causal relationship between donations and political favors, rather than simply relying on implied influence as tis propaganda piece does. It is important to separate ethical arguments about the role of money in politics from the factual correctness of the claims being made by Silver. It is guilt by association when an argument suggests that because someone has a particular motive, their claim or conclusion must be false. This case may raise questions about potential conflicts of interest, it doesn't directly address the validity of Silver’s forecast itself. Don't fall for it.

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    7. Our system doesn’t work like that. Officials must avoid the appearance of corruption.

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  12. This is a small point, but it isn't exactly a nap if you are discussing debate questions and throwing 3x5 cards at your aides. Not everything that happens in bed involves sleep. JFK's back problems, revealed to voters after his death, may explain why he was in bed while others were not.

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