WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 5, 2025
...we explain the need for five votes: Jobs in the Senate must be the greatest jobs in the world!
We say that after watching the things people will do to avoid ever losing such jobs.
Three extremely shaky nominees—Kennedy, Gabbard and Patel—still await their confirmation votes in the Senate. By now, it seems fairly clear that Kennedy and Gabbard are going to make it through, with Patel's confirmation possibly still in doubt.
Or then again, possibly not!
Quickly, an aside:
With respect to this ongoing spectacle, whatever made Joni Ernst think she could oppose Nominee Hegseth without having the world of Red American opposition come crashing down on her head? It isn't the fact that she quickly surrendered in such an unmistakable way. It's the fact that she apparently didn't know what was coming when she attempted to take a stand!
These Senate jobs must be quite good, given the way a solon like Ernst will fold up in order to keep one. With that in mind, we now explain the alleged search for "the fourth vote."
The prevailing pundit theory goes like this:
In the current 53-47 Senate, the GOP can lose three (3) Republican votes and still get a nominee confirmed. This has led a string of pundits to say that the Democrats are out there looking for the decisive "fourth [NO] vote."
Does it actually work that way? Yesterday morning, we finally saw someone address the problem with that formulation, though even he made a mistake in his assessment.
We refer to Morning Joe's Jonathan Lemire. Yesterday morning, he described an obvious problem with being the fourth [NO] vote:
LEMIRE (2/4/25): Guys, I was on the Hill last Thursday during that day when they had hearings all happening at once for Kennedy and Patel and Tulsi Gabbard. And talking to congressional aides—
The thing is, it's about the math. What's so hard for these Republican senators is being that one vote who can be blamed. It's hard to be that fourth vote—
MIKA: Yeah.
LEMIRE: —if you are assuming that Collins and Murkowski and McConnell, who showed a willingness to defy Trump, are going to be three.
According to Lemire, it's hard to be the fourth NO vote. He said the person who casts the fourth vote is the one person who will get blamed!
At that point, Lemire noted that Senator Collins has already bailed in the case of Nominee Gabbard. He then continued with this:
LEMIRE: We know there are other senators who have real concerns about [Gabbard]. We're watching Todd Young from Indiana as well.
But the issue is, it's just so hard to do it with four. And these aides were saying what they would really need would be a bunch of senators to come together to say no. So therefore, it could be five, six, seven or eight, and therefore that one person doesn't get all the blame, and potentially that Elon Musk-backed primary challenger.
There's a bit of truth to what Lemire said. There's also a basic fallacy there.
It's true! Under current circumstances, four NO votes would be much worse than three! In the case of Nominee Hegseth, three GOP solons voted NO—but Hegseth got through anyway.
That meant that none of the three could be assailed as the traitor who defeated Hegseth. But here's where Lemire's logic breaks down:
Uh-oh! If someone had cast a fourth NO vote, then all four senators could (and would) have been assailed as the decisive vote—as the vote which took Hegseth down.
It wouldn't just be the poor shlub who happened to cast the last of those votes. It would have been each of the four, each of whom could have saved Pete simply by voting YES.
In the current situation, three NO votes is no huge deal; four is a disaster. So, of course, is five NO votes—but in that circumstance, no one could be assailed as the one decisive vote, as the solon who could have saved the day simply by voting YES.
In short:
In the current circumstance, there will never be four NO votes for one of these nominees. There could be three or there could be five, but there will never be four.
In the Senate, Homey don't play it that way! In support of that theory, consider what happened when the fate of Nominee Hegseth hung in the balance on the night of Friday, January 24.
Good grief! Murkowski and Collins had already said that they would be voting NO. That meant there was room for one more NO, but two more would be a big problem.
And then, sure enough, how strange!
By widespread agreement, no one know how Senator Tillis was going to vote. And as the world waited to see what Tillis would do, McConnell kept refusing to vote.
The clerk kept calling his name as she took the roll; he kept failing to answer. Then Tillis announced online that he would be voting YES, and McConnell instantly told the clerk that his vote was a NO.
Just a guess! If Tillis had voted NO, McConnell would have voted YES. This would have saved the four dissenters—each of the four—from being trashed as the decisive vote who took the nominee down.
It wouldn't have been the fourth NO voter who got blamed. For the reasons we've laid out, it would have been all four.
If you want to see this chronology as it played out in real time, you can watch Rachel Maddow doing the play-by-play that night. It was Friday night, January 24. You can start right here, at 9:15 p.m.
Could Nominee Patel be voted down? We don't think that will happen. But our prediction would be this:
With all these nominees, you may see three NO votes, or you may see five. But you won't see four NO votes. It simply isn't done!
We would have thought that everyone understood these facts of life concerning congressional voting behavior. That said, over the past few weeks, we've said a long string of pundits talking about the search for the fourth NO vote.
There will never be a fourth NO vote in the absence of a fifth! Can anybody here play this game? More and more, the answer seems to be no.
Meanwhile, those Senate jobs must be wickedly great. Look what folks do to keep them!
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?
ReplyDeleteBest part, for me, is gun owners, who talk a good game, being total cowards about using their 2nd Amendment rights to fight government tyranny.
DeleteTrump is a madman or disordered or deranged or whatever adjective you want to grasp at, in all the right ways.
ReplyDeleteNo more taxpayer funding for Politico or surgical sexual mutilation of the mentally ill.
No more funding for healthcare in rural Virginia — MAGA country.
Deletehttps://www.vpm.org/news/2025-02-04/virginia-community-health-centers-close-federal-funding-grant-access
The hospitals closing is the totally acceptable price we pay for banning 10 or 15 people from sports and the military.
DeleteIf people can change genders what's next, deciding not to be employees? Such things are too dangerous to think about.
DeleteThere will never be enough elites to surveil everyone, so they invent these fake crises to turn all the people into little rats.
DeleteI'd say tattles, rats just feeds dehumanizing language
DeleteInforming on colleagues and neighbors is what Hitler used to instill fear in the populace.
DeleteRural living is incompatible with Capitalism.
DeleteAh, yes. The answer to the 5 vs 4 problem is that Republicans are cowards.
ReplyDeleteTheir insecurity is through the roof.
Delete""We say that after watching the things people will do to avoid ever losing such jobs."
ReplyDeleteIt never ceases to amaze me that liberals appear to be genuinely surprised when members of an elected body act like politicians who want to be re-elected when deciding how to vote on political issues rather than doing the "right thing" and vote the way they want.
You have only yourselves to blame for destroying the Senate by making Senators elected politicians via the 17th Amendment instead of being "statesmen" as intended by the Founders who were chosen by the states, and thus, would be free to act and vote as they thought best exactly because they weren't elected.
But noooo, that wasn't democratic enough for your Progressive forefathers, foremothers or forebirthing persons. So suck on it. lol
Ah Yes, state legislatures, those bastions of calm clear headed wisdom.
DeleteWow. That's an old grudge you're nursing.
DeleteThe Founding Fathers wanted a dictatorship. That's why they gave us the 2nd Amendment. To show that American citizens are too scared to use their 2nd Amendment rights to fight government tyranny.
DeleteSomerby sure seems fine with the PreXident's stooges illegally appropriating the most sensitive data systems in the Government. Why isn't Security busting their big heads open? RFK Jr is a joke when it comes to the best health care science, but he said something good about spinach and microdosing LSD, so why not take a chance? Being a known Russian asset and a dunce, pretty much guarantees Gabbard will sail thru, so much like the Felon. Apparently no Senator or paper of record is allowed to talk about her still being in a cult with her, her husband, and her parents all still involved. The chosen by God dude leader quit Hari Krishna and set up his own shop in HI. An R Senator could think - well she is with Putin too, so not so bad, but that cult thing is really weird. But no. I guess at this point with the PreXident calling the shots and purges, things at the FBI could not get much more screwed even with Patel. But I am sure he will prove me wrong. Stuff is f'd up and stuff. But owning the libs makes the end of Democracy so sweet. (I would like to make a bet with DiC on the closest to the date without going over when the first protesters will be shot by a person in military uniform. That will be like the most bestest lib owning ever.)
ReplyDeleteYour party tried to imprison your political opponents. It created a two-tier justice system based on ideology. The people saw that unprecedented corruption, were disgusted, and kicked you out of power.
DeleteDonald J Chickenshit never had to face the federal charges against him. He never had to face a jury to judge the evidence. He ran to the corrupt supreme court and begged them to give him immunity. That was his defense. Now, exactly as predicted, the new AG Bondi will launch a vindictive and fraudulent investigation of the special counsel, Jack Smith. Proving once again that committing perjury in your confirmation testimony is not a crime if you're a republican.
DeleteI see. Not prosecuting a crook because he is a Republican makes perfect sense. Nice narrative.
Delete6:05 I don't know your occupation but can absolutely guarantee that you weren't a Capitol police officer in January 2021. Specifically, you are not Michael Fannone, who was beaten with a metal pipe, bear sprayed in his eyes, and tazed repeatedly, suffering a heart attack, while Trump watched on TV for hours, doing nothing, only to pardon your attackers 4 years later. No , you're not Michael Fannone, nor anyone with moral substance. You and your kind can fuck off.
Delete6:05 let me guess: you're A retired actuary living in California.
DeleteIt's true that Trump's conviction got him elected. Somerby pretty much warned it was a bad idea.
Delete"Your party tried to imprison your political opponents."
DeleteBecause your party tried to steal an election.
...and murder a vice president.
DeleteYour party tried to assassinate Trump.
Delete10:22 not worth rebutting, as clued in to reality as the average MAGA
Delete10:22
DeleteRepublican incels tried to kill Trump
Of course the Republican incels failed.
DeleteAs they say in every HR office in the country, "Hire an immigrant, if you want the job done, and done right."
The Department of Defense will stop observing Holocaust Remembrance Day.
ReplyDelete6:49 if Jack Smith did nothing wrong, what is he worried about? A thorough investigation can only help him clear his name. He should welcome it.
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DeleteSame reasoning applies to Trump. He should insist on his criminal trials.
DeleteTrump knows the prosecutions against him were corrupt. Democrats argue the system is sound, so Jack Smith should have no fear of an unjust outcome.
DeleteThe prosecutions were not corrupt and the system is no longer sound under Trump. Things have changed since 1/20.
DeleteThe prosecutions were corrupt, and the legitimacy of the system has been restored by the American people who noticed. Jack Smith has nothing to worry about if he’s innocent.
DeleteThe prosecutions were aborted because little donny chickenshit ran to big daddy's Clarence and Sammy and begged them for immunity, you fucking freak maggot.
Delete6:17 It is criminal to enter the country under fraudulent circumstances or without proper inspection. Generally speaking, walking across the border is explicitly illegal and the Biden admin was giving a legal loophole to "asylum seekers".
DeleteIt's criminal that no one can find a Republican voter who isn't a bigot.
DeleteOn the other hand, it's a civil, not criminal offense, to enter the country under fraudulent circumstances or without proper inspection.
You're welcome.
Trump wants to prove his innocence. Any day now he'll announce he's letting his trial go forward.
DeleteThe prosecutions were aborted ...
DeleteChief Justice Roberts and Judge Aileen Cannon performed the abortions grinning all the way.
7:13 Seeking asylum under established international law you know nothing nothing nothing.
DeleteNo one left here but right wing trolls.
ReplyDeleteI’m a centrist troll.
DeleteDoes Somerby not understand that no one wants to lose their job. It generally means you won't be able to pay your bills. Of course people are scared when their jobs are threatened, whether they are Senators or FBI agents.
ReplyDeleteIt's because Biden and Harris let all of these illegals in the country to cause catastrophic upheaval to our country.
DeleteWhat catastrophic upheaval?
Delete"It's because Biden and Harris let all of these illegals in the country ..."
DeleteThat explains why jobs were getting done properly.
Who knows? Maybe Trump tying the country's hands behind its back, might work out well, too.
Threats against their jobs mean nothing to most of these Senators. Bill Cassidy - and many more - will probably head for the hills when their current terms end.
ReplyDeleteWe'll most likely never know what threats are being used, but being primaried & losing their seats are trivial.
This is just mean-spirited and ugly:
ReplyDelete"Ex-Coast Guard Leader Evicted with 3 Hours Notice
February 5, 2025 at 7:54 pm EST By Taegan Goddard 44 Comments
“President Donald Trump’s administration evicted former Coast Guard Commandant Linda Fagan from her home with three hours of notice on Tuesday — not even enough time to gather her personal effects,” NBC News reports.
“Fagan, a four-star admiral and the first woman to lead a branch of the military, was removed from her post as the Coast Guard’s top officer on Trump’s second day in office.” [Political Wire]
Prior to being removed from her job she held positions as the 2nd in Command at the Coast Guard and as a regional commander. She has a long career and deserves better treatment than this.
“We have heard from service members concerned with trainings and events they believe to be extraneous to mission-critical tasks, specifically Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity (SOGI) inclusivity training programs, including … examples of official USCG announcements encouraging service member participation in Transgender Shipmates Inclusion Training,” they added.
DeleteBanks especially excoriated officials for implementing a policy at the Merchant Marine Academy on Long Island that let midshipmen undergoing gender transitions seek exemptions from their military service requirement.
Fagan’s delay in disclosing sex assaults at the Coast Guard Academy between 2014 and 2019, compiled in an internal report known as Operation Fouled Anchor, also “deeply eroded trust,” the official told Fox News.
Fagan also blew through the Coast Guard’s budget and botched coordination with DHS to crack down on drug trafficking at US maritime borders, the DHS official went on.
10:33 has repeated specious fact free bs from an unnamed DHS official. You’re being lied to.
DeleteGot it. She’s being smeared too.
DeleteBotched to the point of making a huge fentanyl seizure.
DeleteTrump voters don't care about fentanyl, anymore than they care about grocery prices.
DeleteThere is now an Ebola outbreak in Uganda. With the first outbreak Obama used military personnel to assist in containing the virus, set up 17 treatment facilities each with 100 beds, and coordinated the training of 500 caregivers, in conjunction with, and leading the WHO response in Liberia. Afterwards he implemented a system involving outposts to monitor for early pandemics.
ReplyDeleteTrump defunded the one nearest Wuhan prior to the Covid pandemic and has now pulled out of the WHO as well as having prohibited communication from health professionals that limits public discussion of the ongoing bird flu risks and escalation in new cases. The ensuing deaths will be rightly blamed on the policies of an elderly demented man and the idiots who voted for him.
No problem! Just stop all flights from Africa! Case closed!
DeleteAt least, that was his recommendation back when Obama faced similar circumstances.
I will confess that Our Host tries my patience when he goes off on long tangents about literature or when he endlessly teases what he will discuss at some later date. (We still haven't been told about the pivotal events of 1965, despite weeks of promises.)
ReplyDeleteThis post isn't like that. This is an excellent bit of work. I think he's quite right today.
He may be right but the point is trivial.
DeleteThis is why Democrats lose. They don’t listen to voters; they sneer at them.
DeleteTrump showed, you have to be a Republican, if you want to get away with having contempt for Republican voters.
Delete7:57. The demographics of who voted for whom in the last election would suggest that educational status played the largest role in how a person voted.
DeleteIf it turns out that we can't just go in there and make Gaza a five star beach front resort destination, what about just putting up a Six Flags?
ReplyDeleteSince gun owners are hiding under their beds, too scared to fight government tyranny, we may as well just ban gun ownership.
ReplyDeleteAll we'd lose is hundreds of school shootings a decade.
Turning the NRA offices into Putin election headquarters didn't help.
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