Is Robert De Niro a c***? This sort of thing has been going on for years. But in the latest sweepstakes, the chronology had gone like this:
Samantha Bee dropped a C-bomb on Ivanka Trump, who Michelle Wolf had already compared to a fully loaded diaper.
Then, last night, it happened again! Turning his powerful intellect loose, Robert De Niro offered this speech, presumably working from prompter:
DE NIRO (6/10/18): I’m gonna say one thing: F*ck Trump!We'd say that's solid, thought-provoking. And we've heard that he writes his own stuff!
[STANDING OVATION. RAISES BOTH FISTS]
It’s no longer "Down with Trump." It’s "F*ck Trump.”
All the jugglers and the clowns cheered the latest political analyst. Inside our plushly appointed Larry David/Whoopi Goldberg Celebrity Vote Loss Viewing Chamber, one of the analysts mordantly asked, "Is Robert De Niro a c***?"
(To see the jugglers and the clowns in 1998, you can just click here. Sadly, this is the team we have chosen. Or is it the team which chose us?)
For what it's worth, this is the sort of thing we mean when we say it's all anthropology now. Our struggling species, Homo sapiens, simply wasn't built for this. We need an external enemy fast. Beyond that, we badly need to get rid of talk radio, corporate "cable news" and, of course, The Net.
We simply weren't built for this new type of game. We don't know how to play it. Coming tomorrow:
Folk who say Rachel's their friend.
As predicted: Two weeks later, have you seen any media reporter ask why TBS allowed Samantha Bee to deliver her scripted C-bomb?
Of course you haven't! Also, you never will. Nor have you seen anyone ask if Bee's fiery remark was just a publicity play.
She didn't know the C-bomb was loaded? Citizens, tell the freaking truth—does anyone freaking believe that?
Larry David? Who is that? Why, Larry David is the 23rd greatest comedy star EVER!ReplyDelete
Liberals fault Trump for being crude, then cheer when De Niro says, "F*ck Trump."ReplyDelete
Trump is a liar and a thief.Delete
And Putin's bitch.
Much nicer than "Fuck you Trump".
I'd say that's the wrong question for the wrong crowd.Delete
That's cause you are at the wrong blog. Conservative Tree House is down the road a bit and to the right.Delete
The largest portion of the people who post seem to take great umbrage with most of what the blogger writes, but *I'm the one who is at the wrong blog?Delete
This is a liberal blog. Since you are manifestly not liberal, you are here for the purpose of trolling. That means you are at the wrong blog. We already have our quota of conservative trolls, Russian trolls, mentally ill trolls, and spammers. Take a hint.Delete
Again, you have liberals here daily accusing the blogger of being a misogynist, a closet conservative, and a fool.Delete
Who's the troll?
Troll -- One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argumentDelete
The intent for most of us here is to discuss issues raised by the blogger, agree with him or not. Somerby doesn't read his comments. You seem to be here to spread a conservative agenda by posting the day's talking points, much like David in CAL, which makes you a troll.
The blogger is a misogynist, a closet conservative, and a fool. He is also a hypocrite who engages in the exact same behavior he criticizes the press for.Delete
Quite Trumpian if you ask me.
No, I'm here to read a blogger I enjoy. I don't always agree with him, think he's misguided in ways, but I like his writing and very much admire his analytical skills.Delete
It's HIS blog. Not mine. I'm his follower, it isn't incumbent upon him to read what I say.
It's not necessary for you to read what I write either.
Ive been reading this blog almost daily for years and commenting from time to time.
I don't insult the host and if I thought he was a fool I wouldn't be here day after day in order to bemoan and deride him and to tell others who don't agree with my views to leave.
Doing THAT is the behavior of a troll
A troll is not someone who articulates an opinion that you don't agree with.
If you can't tolerate dissent, then YOU can leave.
@ 7:48 - nice try.Delete
"Liberals fault Trump for being crude, ...."Delete
When did you become a liberal?
There's no mystery in this, Bob.ReplyDelete
Here's a very simple and perfectly scientific explanation: in the morning of 11/9/2016, a few million people had their heads exploded, and since that tragic day they've been walking the Earth, emitting all kinds of zombie noises.
Occasionally, some of those zombie noises sound similar to the words 'fuck' or 'cunt', and then all 'em zombies get excited, and cheer loudly.
And that's all there is to it, Bob. You don't need to pay attention...
"a few million people had their heads exploded"Delete
That'll teach 'em for lying about how "we're better than this".
David, please help Mao. He said "all 'em zombies". Tell him how to say that in American English.ReplyDelete
Mao has potential. He deserves your help.
Some conservatives call liberals "sheeple", which I think has a similar meaning to "zombies". BTW, the term "zombies" comes from an old Bob Hope movie. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a6YdNmK77kDelete
Umm, no. The usage of the word in English dates back to 1810-1820.Delete
Just like his hero Trump.Delete
Anon 5:25 -- sorry for the imprecision. I meant to say the use of "zombies" applied to Democrats came from Bob Hope. My bad.Delete
When Republicans are in power, we get zombies. When Democrats are in power, we get vampires, apparently.
In the zombie world, only conservatives survive. This meme seems to be more than just a casual Bob Hope reference.
But the main political references seems to be to bills that just won't die, such as the efforts to kill Obamacare or to pass Trumpcare.
Then they cited a bunch of movies from the 1940s about zombies. (Zombies on Broadway, etc)
"The Circus' Host: Maher, De Niro, Bee Helping to 'Ensure' Trump Gets Re-Elected"ReplyDelete
Where is Somerby's denunciation of old friend Bill Maher? It's rather glaringly absent.
"we badly need to get rid of talk radio, corporate "cable news" and, of course, The Net."ReplyDelete
But, if we get rid of the Net, how would we access Somerby's pearls of wisdom?
De Niro was exercising his free speech while we all still have the ability to do so.ReplyDelete
His remark isn't going to cause a single vote to shift in 2020. But Somerby seems to want to suppress liberal speech. Why?
Some believe De Niro's "F*ck Trump" will gain votes for Trump. E.g. this comment, "He used to be a great actor. Now he's helping President Trump win in 2020. Funny they don't get it." https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/06/11/robert-de-niro-hollywood-donald-trump-your-say-todays-talker/691593002/Delete
It could be true. In the same way the "Trump that bitch" bumper stickers won votes for Hillary.Delete
They may believe that, but that doesn't make it true. In this time of lies, we must exercise our judgment. There is no evidence a statement like De Niro's will do anything at all.Delete
Conservatives like to tell us it will. Obviously it is to their advantage to have us all shut up about lots of things. Liberals who believe this will hurt our cause don't have much to back up that idea except self-serving conservative whining.
On the other hand, De Niro gave voice to a sentiment held by nearly all liberals (Somerby excepted). That strengthens our base. Why is it wrong to appeal to our base? No one ever tells us why we shouldn't do what is plainly effective for conservatives.
All adults and children over age 6 have heard the word De Niro used. It shouldn't shock anyone. Most liberals (Somerby excepted) feel strongly about what Trump has been doing. It is an appropriate word for expressing strong feelings.
Somerby wants to call De Niro a cunt. What an ass Somerby has become.
David in traitor land seems to think someone not quite stupid enough to vote Trump will be tipped in by Bobby D. Hope he never has to prove it in Court.Delete
Greg -- the key word is "lazy", not "stupid". The idea is that a Trump supporter too lazy to bother to vote will be energized by liberals' nastiness. After all, don't you think liberals energized by Trump's nastiness?Delete
Laziness is a concept invented by Republicans to denigrate the poor.Delete
" ... don't you think liberals energized by Trump's nastiness?"Delete
That's just the tip of the iceberg. There's so many more important reasons to get rid of the thieving SOB and his cowardly political party.
300 years of slavery.ReplyDelete
100 years of subjugation.
50 years of wondering "Why can't we kill them on a whim?"
"And them forgive us?"
Fuck you Bob.
Fuck you DinC.
Fuck you Mao.
Fuck you Trump!
-- Democrats tried to maintain slavery, while Republicans ended slavery.
-- Democrats populated the Ku Klux Klan
-- Democrats maintained the awful Jim Crow system.
-- Democrats govern the cities where blacks are being killed by policemen, by and large.
If anyone deserves an FU, it's the Democrats.
Conservative Democrats were racists.Delete
Conservative Republicans are racists.
It's not Democrats vs. Republicans.
It's Conservatives vs. humanity.
Bob, this must be getting boring even for you. Just make with the Mueller hit piece, show us who you are at last, and stop with the tease.ReplyDelete
Tucker Carlson: "the impulse on the left is always to elevate and celebrate anything that is repulsive, degrading, bad for you. "ReplyDelete
Hahahaha!!! You had me at "repulsive." Great setup for a brilliant comedic framework.
Let's try another one:
"the impulse on the right is always to elevate and celebrate anything that is selfish and racist."
What would Somerby say? Something like:
How dare you make those kinds of ugly, sweeping generalizations about The Others. We liberals ARE disgusting.
Anon5:40pm, why are so many here categorically unable to process what is meant by "no bait left behind"?Delete
Not dispute it on its face, but simply negate it by implying that the blog was about nominating Tucker and Steyn for an Emmy and entrance into Mensa, advocating sainthood for Trump, and stoning for Stephanie Cliffords.
I see you took my bait.Delete
Cecelia, you sound like a trollish man. Who doesn't know how to spell the name "Cecilia". You're not fooling anyone. All your posts sound like some Breitbart douchebag who enjoys pretending to be a woman.Delete
"Two weeks later, have you seen any media reporter ask why TBS allowed Samantha Bee to deliver her scripted C-bomb?"ReplyDelete
Isn't it obvious? They let her say it because she has been saying cunt all season long, in different contexts. They let her say it because she is presenting a political opinion show whose success depends on being both entertaining and controversial. They let her say it because TBS has been trying to recruit edgier programming and attract a younger demographic lately. They let her say it because it is true and there is no basis for censoring true statements just because they might upset the person being discussed -- that tends to upset high-paid talent and then they walk away and the show is nothing without them (in this case, her).
Roseanne's difficulties were not because she used bad language. It was because she used hate speech to vilify people in certain minority groups, including blacks and Jews. Since we as a nation do not condone racism and anti-Semitism, they had to do something quick to disassociate themselves from what she did. This is in no way akin to rudeness, crudeness or lack of civility. It is flat out bigotry and that is a no-no for anyone trying to sell products, as TV shows still do.
There is no similarity between the two acts, so there is no similarity between the response of the stations involved. This is so fucking obvious to reporters and everyone else, that there is no reason to ask questions about it.
Except to Somerby, apparently. I think maybe he has been living in the South too long.
Are you sure ABC would have been just fine with Roseanne calling Ivanka Trump the c-word on Twitter, let alone on a show they produced?Delete
Yes, they have been just fine with everything she posted up until the recent stuff. She didn't just suddenly develop her problems on Twitter. Note that Samantha Bee didn't call Ivanka the c-word on Twitter. Note also that Roseanne didn't call Soros or Jarrett the c-word. She called Soros a Nazi who colluded with the Germans, and she called Valerie Jarrett an ape, and then back that up by talking about how her appearance justified that comment. There is no possible equivalency here and this isn't because ABC is touchy, but because Roseanne was being a full-on bigot. She made it very hard to ignore any more.Delete
Had Roseanne called any daughter of a politician the c-word on Twitter?Delete
It's reasonable to argue that Roseanne's insult was more offensive than Bee's was, it's far less so to say that Roseanne wouldn't have been fired by tweeting that about Ivanka.
It's even more iffy to do it in order to justify the miscalculation on the part of TBS in allowing it to air (and later having to apologize) in the first place.
Miscalculation?? Bob Somerby agreed with TBS:Delete
"In our view, TBS has been right to keep Bee on the job."
Why does no one ever mention that Samantha Bee didn't say "cunt" she said "BLEEP" because the bad word was bleeped out on the actual broadcast? The word wasn't actually aired. And why does no one ever mention that Cecelia [sic] is a conservative male who likes to try on ladies' nylons and perfume and then come here to impersonate a woman? Possibly Davie in Cali's sock puppet, they sound alike .Delete
Anon10:50pm, it would be rather controversial to think Bee should be fired for saying what the show's producers knew what she was going to say.Delete
It would be appropriate for the media to wonder how far up in the TBS ranks that foreknowledge went.
Belvoir, that theory has been voiced, but you're the first to tell me I don't know how to spell my name, and the first to paint such a vivid mental picture of my doings.Delete
Now enjoy your cigarette.
@ 8:07 - you're pretty obvious and always have been.Delete
Holy projection Batman!ReplyDelete
Turns out the snowflakes are on the Right.
As you speak Trump is demonstrating how weak leaders like Obama should have dealt with dictators.Delete
Please, Trump got rolled by Wall Street into putting them in his cabinet.Delete
His weakness in the healthcare debate couldn't replace ObamaCare at all, never mind with something "better and cheaper".
Ask the President Pipsqueak if Mexico is still paying for his wall.
Step away from the funhouse mirror, Ed, here in the real world your Mr. Atlas is continuously getting sand kicked in his face.
I'm sure Trump tweeting insults about D-level celebrities has the world's dictators shaking in their boots. LOLDelete
"As you speak Trump is demonstrating how weak leaders like Obama should have dealt with dictators."Delete
By humiliatingly getting on your knees like Trump and giving them a blowjob before the world's press, because Putin ordered him to? By giving a dictator legitimacy and giving him everything he wants and getting nothing in return? You people are sick traitors. Why does Somerby's obscure blog attract such degenerates? It's bizarre.
Irony escapes Howler readers.Delete
Where was the irony?Delete
Trump was being "ironic" when he campaigned on helping the American people.Delete
Somerby asserts that statements like DeNiro's lose votes for liberals, without a basis in fact, nor an attempt at rational argument. He just assumes it's true.ReplyDelete
It could just as well be true to imagine DeNiro's statement gaining votes for liberals. Why not?
So Somerby is repeating nonsense right-wing memes.Delete
That practically never happens all the time.
“Mr. De Niro’s comments were unscripted and unexpected. The offensive language was deleted from the broadcast,” CBS said in a statement.ReplyDelete
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