BREAKING: Letting the actual truth be the truth!

WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 22, 2018

How do we think Trump got there?
As far as we know, the New York Times' Megan Twohey is the world's finest person.

We thought her front-page report in October 2016 involved a boatload of bad judgment, on Twohey's part and on the part of her editors. In our view, it seemed to be the final act in a 25-year propaganda war against Clinton and Clinton, with a side trip added on to defeat Candidate Gore.

In the end, this mainstream propaganda war put You Know Who where he is. In that sense, we'd have to say that this endless mainstream press corps war worked out very badly.

We liberals sat and twiddled our thumbs while this war was carried out. In 1999 and 2000, we twiddled our thumbs for twenty straight months while the War Against Gore was conducted.

Given this basic history, we liberals may be the most inept political tribe ever seen on the face of the earth. That doesn't mean that Megan Twohey hasn't done other good work.

That said, we were struck by something Twohey said on MSNBC last night. Ali Velshi was guest hosting for Ari Melber. At one point, Michael Cohen's guilty pleas prompted this exchange:
VELSHI (8/21/18): You know, Rudy Giuliani said truth isn't really the truth the other day, so I'm curious, Megan, as to what this does. What happens next, right? Because there are a whole lot of Americans thinking that's got to be it. This has to be the end of the legitimacy of the Trump presidency, if you believed there was any shred of legitimacy left. But the fact is, what happens next?

TWOHEY: Yeah, I think one of the big questions is—and I don't know if this is happening while we're on the air right now. But what are Republicans in Congress saying?

VELSHI: I haven't seen anything yet.

TWOHEY: What is the political reaction going to be if this is not something that's going to be handled in criminal court against Trump—you know, honoring the not indicting a sitting president? What are the political implications, what are those going to be?

And then I think that there's also just this. I think there's also this:

You know, I was involved in the coverage of the Harvey Weinstein story and the whole Me Too movement. And I just think culturally it's important—campaign finance violations and the technicalities of these aside—it's really important to note that this was really a conspiracy to silence women who had stories to tell.

These women didn't say they were victims of sexual misconduct. In both cases, they said they had been involved in consensual affairs with Trump. But I do think it's important to step back and recognize that culturally, this was—these were powerful men who were making payoffs to silence women.
That was the end of Twohey's statement. Here's what we saw in that overall exchange:

First, Velshi started with a reference to the new, all-purpose "truth isn't truth" bromide. Already, this is Instant Pundit Gold, ranking with any reference to "what the meaning of is is," or with any pathetic joking claim about what Candidate Gore allegedly said he invented.

This bromide gives pundits a bit of filler which will gain universal approval in any conceivable circumstance. They'll be killing time for years to come with the all-purpose "truth isn't truth."

We thought Velshi's throw-away was sad—but we thought Twohey's presentation was more striking. According to Twohey, the payments to Stephanie Clifford and Karen McDougal should be viewed this way:

"It's really important to note that this was really a conspiracy to silence women who had stories to tell...These were powerful men who were making payoffs to silence women."

Did Clifford and McDougal "have stories to tell?" To the extent that they did, their stories involved their decision to engage in consensual sex with a married person back in 2006.

Full stop! As Twohey noted, neither woman was claiming that she had been the victim of sexual misconduct. They'd simply had sex with a married person a rather long time in the past. So thrilling! So exciting!

We can't imagine why anyone would want our White House elections to turn on the "telling" of such utterly pointless "stories." That said, let's try to get clear on one basic point:

No one stopped either woman from simply "telling her story!" Either woman could have "told her story" whenever she chose to do so.

Karen McDougal could have "told her story" any time she pleased. But the fact is, these upright citizens didn't want to tell their stories. Instead, they wanted to sell their stories. The women wanted to sell their stories for big, fat bags of cash.

Eventually, Clifford came up with a story about being threatened in 2011. By now, that once-exciting "true crime" tale seems to have gone the way of all flesh. It no longer seems to be a story her lawyer wants to tell.

At any rate, Clifford could have "told her story" any time she pleased in the summer of 2016. But she wasn't trying to tell her story. She was trying to sell her story, for example to Slate. (Jacob Weisberg finally told her that Homey don't play that game.)

Stephanie Clifford and Karen McDougal wanted to score big piles of cash for "telling their stories" about having consensually [BLEEP]ed someone ten years in the past. At this juncture, our liberal/progressive tribe is so lost that we're treating these women as cultural heroes—and we're peddling the childish version of this affair, in which each woman had "a story she wanted to tell."

Correction! Each had a story she wanted to sell. A bit like Vladimir Putin, they wanted to interfere in a White House election for financial gain.

We liberals today are so lost—so morally and intellectually inept—that we can't see the problem with conduct like that. Beyond that, we keep changing "sell" to "tell," playing a tired old game.

Our team is lost and deeply inept. How do you think Trump got there?

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  1. What, pray tell, were "we liberals" supposed to have done to stop the press' "War on Gore"? In what way were "we liberals" "twiddling our thumbs" at that time?

    Is Al Gore one of the "inept" liberals, or is he forever blameless as a helpless victim of the "war on Gore?" Did he fight back sufficiently? Was he a good campaigner? Does he share any responsibility for his loss?

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    1. For both what might have been argued and who in the media might have been called out in real time, follow the links on these pages: 1999 and 2000.

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    2. CMike, I was reading TDH back then. I know Somerby's arguments and his targets. My point is that average people, like myself and you, presumably, had very little to no influence over the media. Less so than today because back then there was no social media. Somerby was doing good work back then. But average liberal voters ("we liberals") did what we could. We didn't "twiddle our thumbs". And Al Gore deserves at least some of the blame for losing. He couldn't even win his home state. We do look to leadership to help us win battles. Now if you want to argue that Somerby means "Democratic leadership" when he says "we liberals", fine, but he is far from clear about that. I will also point out the not insignificant number of liberals who viewed Gore as a "pseudo or neoliberal" and refused to vote for him. Are they some of the liberals who were twiddling their thumbs?

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    3. And just to continue this a little further, back then Somerby was attacking the press rather than liberals. He was urging the mainstream press to be better, which is a valid point. Now he attacks the press AND liberals. He says things about liberals that sound like they came from Fox or Limbaugh. He has seemingly given up on liberals and now prefers attacking, rather than critiquing them.

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    4. Hey CMike, who'd you throw away your vote on in the 2000 election - Buchanan or Nader?

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    5. 7:14 PM,

      I voted for Gore in 2000.

      But as to your point, I take it you see yourself as being some sort of a fool for voting for Hillary Clinton in the 2016 general election given you seem to believe anytime someone hasn't voted for the winner in an election they've thrown their vote away. I won't try to dissuade you from seeing yourself in that light- my heart wouldn't be in it.

      As far as who I vote for these days, I believe we're stuck in a two party, first past the post electoral system and that leftists only have a chance to get on the ballot as Democrats. Therefore I'll always vote against those Democrats who won't commit to the unequivocal support for both maintaining (or enhancing) the current Social Security benefits schedule and to a single payer health care system. Democrats who can not pass that litmus test should not have leadership positions in my party and will not get my vote- I'll accept the consequences of their defeat in a general election to be rid of them.

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    6. You don't have a heart and you pretend to have a brain.

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  2. Somerby comes close to name-calling the women who were bribed to keep silent. They aren't the wrongdoers in this situation. Trump via Cohen bribed them to keep quiet about consensual sex in order to benefit Trump's campaign. Trump was the one who got what he wanted. The women entered into a bargain with him that was illegal on his part, not theirs, just as they were not cheating on anyone, he was. If Somerby thinks they should have nobly said, "Don't worry Mr. Trump, we'll keep quiet and you don't have to pay us a cent," that isn't the way the world works. They had nothing to be ashamed of and were not doing anything wrong and thus had no reason to keep quiet about what Trump chose to do, without coercion and on his own initiative.

    So Trump is not a victim of their avarice, the way Somerby has come close to portraying the situation. I agree that the women aren't martyrs and aren't #METOO victims in any sense. But Trump didn't honor the agreements he had with them, just as he has welched on many business arrangements and deals across time. That is the essence of their lawsuits. Not some con that Trump is being victimized by, as Somerby has said before here.

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    1. Clifford alleges that Trump never signed the NDA. He and Cohen have talked about the relationship, breaking the terms, but she is not permitted to tell her side of things without being sued. She wants that set aside. She is not asking for money in her lawsuit.

      McDaniels believed she was being paid for an interview that would appear in the press. It was instead purchased in order to be suppressed. That "misrepresentation" is why she cannot tell her story.

      Bechard received one payment and then didn't receive any further money. She is suing because she alleges their nonpayment voids the NDA.

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    2. Typo: McDougal

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  3. "our liberal/progressive tribe is so lost that we're treating these women as cultural heroes"

    One journalist says something stupid and the whole liberal tribe is to blame?

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  4. Is Somerby aware that the Russians hacked the DNC again? Hillary didn't lose because of articles like that one. She lost because of the coordinated campaign waged against her by a foreign government in collusion with Trump and the Republicans.

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    1. " ... in collusion with Trump and the Republicans, combined with Comey's two interventions."

      FTFY

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  5. 6:27
    “Are they some of the liberals who were twiddling their thumbs?”

    It reminded me of this, back when Salon was doing some good stuff. Warning, non-secure link.

    Were they twiddling their thumbs? Indeed that was the case, if Hightower is to be believed about the non-voters. But you’ll notice that there’s a complete lack of analysis of the role of the MSM in his essay. It was really only someone that Bob and organizations like FAIR that weighed in on the topic of media malfeasance. I sure do miss MediaWhoresOnline, a long defunct website.

    I’ve been arguing for years that Bob is tilting at (corporate) windmills. Others have also pointed it out. We have no immediate means, as average people, to influence the MSM. Except to watch, and determine ratings.

    “…he is far from clear about that.” No, I think he is quite clear. He calls bullshit when he sees it, and in subsequent posts may laud the very source he previously excoriated. So it goes.

    Leroy

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    1. I sure do miss getting it straight from the horse's mouth at MediaWhoresOnline. I thought for sure it would be easy enough after the site went down to solve the mystery of who was behind it but I never consistently laughed as hard at anyone's ongoing political commentary thereafter to figure it out.

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    2. Yeah, MWO was one of a kind. A guy at work at the time turned me on to it. He was a conservative, I would have described myself at the time as nominally liberal, but the exposure quite literally took me into new directions in my thinking about news media, as well as the phenomena associated with it. It was there that I found Bartcop, and perhaps not directly, TDH as well.

      It would be interesting to know who it really was. Your last sentence was somewhat ambiguous, and if you know, you can take it to your grave.

      Or at least give me some hints. : )

      Leroy

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  6. Alexander Graham NashAugust 22, 2018 at 10:59 PM

    "No one stopped either woman from simply "telling her story!" Either woman could have "told her story" whenever she chose to do so."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSIIrLack_w

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    1. Somerby doesn't understand that Trump is a rich and powerful man who is vengeful, petty, and holds grudges for years.

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  7. It's important to note that a reporter asked a Trump supporter about the "deep state" and informed her that there was no evidence to support it. She replied that there is no evidence to the contrary. This is why this working class person calls these people morons.

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  8. Somerby thinks the problem is that women want to influence elections by telling stories about Trump -- not that Trump has been misbehaving with women and wants to keep that info secret from the voting public.

    And people wonder why I say Somerby has an issue with women.

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  9. Some more music videos:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Bv_BWUmWN4

    And this one is for deadrat:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3WhDE-O6lc

    Unlike Trump, Somerby argued that Roy Moore deserved the benefit of all doubt because why? Oh, yeah, because all men are afraid of their own lust these days, now that women are complaining about their misbehavior. In the words of Phil Ochs, there but for fortune...so lets all close ranks against the wimmin even if it means aid (aide?) and comfort to Trump and his disgusting allies.

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    1. Women aren't complaining about the sewage and electric systems and the many other things men designed, built and maintain and with which we all live and benefit. Ie. Not all men are evil predators so let's not close rank on dey ass eder.

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    2. No one's job excuses bad behavior, including the President's.

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    3. I'm sure you were quick to shout that from the heavens in defense of Bill Clinton. ;)

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    4. Very amusing. Did you realize that the YouTube video wasn’t of a real interview? Just checking.

      Can you quote TDH saying that Roy Moore deserved the benefit of the doubt? Or that all men are “afraid of their own lust”?

      I didn’t think so. TDH, as usual, complains about media malpractice. Moore’s a creep, but that’s no excuse for getting the facts about him wrong or acting shocked because he married his wife when he was 38 and 14 years older than her.

      Yeah, it’s aid.

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    5. There is no defense for Bill Clinton's stupidity. But Monica was a consenting ADULT. Not a child. That makes a big difference. The main crime committed was the waste of taxpayer money and the violation of Lewinsky's privacy by Linda Tripp, who taped Monica's phone conversation without her permission. No moral equivalence.

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    6. Deadrat, the afraid of lust part comes from his remarks a week or so ago that everything is criminalized now. Put that in the context of the article's content and you see what he means. But you insist that I must come up with an exact quote or I am totally wrong about his meaning.

      You play a form of gotcha by relying on the strict literal interpretation of words and never look at the larger picture or the implications or the tone. You seem to think that if the quote isn't there, neither is the larger meaning. It doesn't work that way.

      It isn't just my belief that Somerby was defending Moore. Other commenters agreed. He wrote several long posts, the gist of which was that Moore hadn't been charged with anything, the mamas said it was OK, Southern practice is different than in the North, he didn't actually sleep with them (just rolled around in underwear), his wife was old enough when he married her, and so on. All that ignores Moore's obvious proclivities hanging around malls, schools and places where young girls go, that his coworkers found him creepy and not normal at all, and other contradictory facts of his situation. So the question is obvious -- why did Somerby bend over backward to create doubt about Moore's behavior? Somerby didn't want to go along with the Moore is a creep narrative -- he argued against it. That isn't my imagination. It happened. Somerby wrote that stuff when no one was defending Moore except Trump (king sleaze), because he wanted to keep the seat Republican.

      So you can hold to the legalistic letter of what Somerby can be quoted as saying, and ignore meaning that is apparent to most people, but you haven't changed a thing. Somerby defended not just Moore but Southern/rural/ignorant/Fundie religious practices that are as pernicious as slavery.

      And then you complain because I gloss in exactly the same manner as Somerby does. You really shouldn't be defending Somerby. He needs to see how his writing comes across to other people. Badly.

      Every word someone writes reveals something about themselves, not simply the literal meanings of the words. You want to limit the interpretation to just the words, but language doesn't work that way. If it did, there would be no such thing as literature or poetry, nuance, double entendre, love letters, etc.

      Somerby's constant harping that Avenatti is a con man and Stormy is a fallen women with big body parts is too revealing to require explanation. Somerby is embarrassing himself. Somerby cannot like good-girl 14 year old virgins but scorn women who own their sexuality without looking like a man who is afraid of not just his own lust but wants to blame it on women's, which is exactly what motivates men to control women sexually. And that's where the motives to limit women via law comes from -- in our culture and in other cultures.

      Most liberals understand that stuff. Somerby never took a psych course, and was a little too old for women's studies (not invented yet), but there is no excuse for him to be still stuck in his Catholic hangups.

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    7. the afraid of lust part comes from his remarks a week or so ago that everything is criminalized now. Put that in the context of the article's content and you see what he means.

      I can’t see what he means if I can’t read his words. I can’t even see what you mean.

      But you insist that I must come up with an exact quote or I am totally wrong about his meaning.

      No, but if you can’t come up with an exact quote, I can’t tell whether you’re totally wrong or just partially wrong.

      You play a form of gotcha by relying on the strict literal interpretation of words and never look at the larger picture or the implications or the tone.

      This is untrue. But I can’t do any reasonable interpretation of words if I don’t have them. You have shown yourself to be an unreliable reporter. I think “tone” is very hard to discern from plain text. Which is why I insist on examining the text.

      It isn't just my belief that Somerby was defending Moore. Other commenters agreed.

      I don’t care how many of you get things wrong. That won’t make you right. Your argument has to rely on evidence and logic. And the evidence has to start with what TDH actually posts.

      the gist of which

      You have been an unreliable reporter, so I don’t trust what you say is the “gist” of TDH’s blog entries. For instance, TDH did report that “the mamas said it was OK,” but the “it” was Moore dating their 19-year old daughters. Moore’s wife was old enough when he married her. She was 24.

      I agree that Moore, aka the Gadsden Mall Creeper, is repellent. But TDH asks when our side became censorious blue noses about dating young women of legal age or marrying 24 year olds. That’s what TDH is arguing against. TDH even noted that there were serious crimes alleged, notably rape. That’s worth reporting on. The other, not so much.

      It happened

      Then it should be easy to quote TDH to back up your claim. I think your refusal to do so is an admission that you can’t. Your second-hand reporting isn’t good enough.

      ignore meaning

      I’ll be perfectly happy to debate meaning with you. But it has to be about TDH’s actual words. Your summaries won’t do. What’s so hard about this?

      Somerby's constant harping that … Stormy is a fallen women with big body parts is too revealing to require explanation.

      Except that TDH is claiming that it’s the cable news folks who are fascinated with Clifford’s career as a porn star — I think you’re the only one using the term “fallen women” — and her big body parts.

      Somerby cannot like good-girl 14 year old virgins but scorn women who own their sexuality without looking like a man who is afraid of not just his own lust but wants to blame it on women's, which is exactly what motivates men to control women sexually.

      This is borderline incoherent. TDH isn’t fond of the idea that a grifter like Clifford is an ally just because she makes Trump look bad. All the rest of your word salad is all yours. Find TDH actually objecting to women owning their own sexuality. I dare you.

      no excuse for him to be still stuck in his Catholic hangups.

      Well, once they got you as a child, it’s hard to break away. But there’s also no excuse for your making shit up. I’m not claiming that TDH’s words aren’t open to interpretation, but before we sit down to do that, we have to actually examine what he wrote.

      Again, what’s so hard about this, and why won’t you do it?

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    8. "TDH isn’t fond of the idea that a grifter like Clifford is an ally just because she makes Trump look bad."

      You go to war with the army you have, not the army you wish you had.
      One of the main objections to TDH is that he wants liberals to fight with one hand tied behind their backs.
      He would have been a hoot in the early 40s, criticizing the Allies for being just as bad as the Axis.

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    9. Christ-on-a-bike! You do know whom you’re almost-quoting here? Here’s a better aphorism to live your political life by:

      When the devil offers you a light, it’s time to consider whether you should give up smoking.

      TDH doesn’t want liberals to fight like rightards. Maybe that’s a position reached on principle or maybe it’s just the realization that you can’t out-grift the grifters. They’re just better at it than you because they’ve been practicing.

      But, hey! Maybe with your accusation that TDH is a Nazi sympathizer you’re already right up there.

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  15. Thank you Thank You Very much Doctor Otonokpo for making my ex boyfriend come back to me. I am Cordelia Sandra from Brazil and i am putting this testimony here too because i want to share my testimony of how i was helped by Doctor Otonokpo within 48 hours of contacting him. Yes, it was last week my ex boyfriend returned to me after i contacted Doctor Otonokpo. My boyfriend was always going back to meet his ex girlfriend because he never really left her. Her name was Sophie. I didn't know how it happened one day after breakfast that i saw him looking at his ex girlfriend's picture on Facebook and I flared at him that he doesn't care about him and he was with me and still thinking about his ex although we have been dating for 6 months. He stormed at me and left the house and never returned. I was heartbroken and wanted him to come back. I was in a nightclub with friend one evening that I saw him with Sophie there, I was humiliated that night and I regretted going there only to see him there. I went online after some days and found Doctor Otonokpo and read about him and I contacted him to help me get him back. I must say that within 48 hours, my boyfriend came back to me and pleaded for leaving me. Is this how spell works so fast? Please, if you want help, contact Doctor Otonokpo too to help you at otonokpotemple@gmail.com
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