BREAKING: The Manafort trial, round and flat!

SATURDAY, AUGUST 4, 2018

Dumbnification is powerful:
Dumbnification is powerful.

It's also semi-ubiquitous. Dumbnification seems to be an essential part of our so-called human nature, a fact the modern mainstream press corps has worked to make quite clear.

We marveled at the dumbnification as we watched Chris Hayes last night. (He was assisted in part of the dumbnification by NBC's Julia Ainsley.)

In today's hard-copy Washington Post, Alexandra Petri's op-ed column is a monument to dumbnification. All these acts of dumbnification involve the Manafort trial.

Within the workings of the mainstream press, dumbnification is quickly converted to script. For today, let's discuss the Post's hard-copy news report about the Manafort trial.

The report bears the bylines of four Post scribes, though it's less than 900 words long. In the news report's first ten paragraphs, we're offered some very basic facts.

No dumbnification intrudes at this point. Hard-copy headline included:
WEINER, ZAPOTOSKY, BALINGIT AND THOMPSON (8/4/18): Manafort jury told of false filings, undisclosed accounts

One of Paul Manafort's accountants testified Friday that she went along with falsifying his tax records
because she was afraid to confront a longtime client.

Cindy Laporta said that in 2015, Manafort's right-hand man, Rick Gates, told her his boss couldn't afford to pay his taxes. To ease that burden, she said, Gates instructed her to misrepresent $900,000 in income as a business loan.

[...]

Laporta, who testified after she was granted immunity, said "I very much regret" the decision to go along with a plan that she estimated saved Manafort at least $400,000 in taxes.

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[LaPorta] testified that she also helped Manafort obtain millions in loans fraudulently, including by representing rental property as a second home, sending a bank a loan-forgiveness letter she believed to be forged, and telling another bank Manafort expected a $2.4 million payment when she had "no idea" if it was true.
In those passages, readers are given basic information. Manafort's accountant testified that she helped Manafort and Gates 1) falsify tax records and 2) obtain bank loans through fraud.

That's basic information about what was said at the trial. Soon thereafter, the scripted dumbnification occurs. What follows is dumbnification:
WEINER, ZAPOTOSKY, BALINGIT AND THOMPSON: [Assistant U.S. Attorney Uzo] Asonye guided jurors through the details of the alleged tax fraud, showing them Manafort's personal and business tax returns. Even as testimony turned complicated, the jurors appeared to pay careful attention. Several took notes in black notebooks, and virtually all looked at the monitors in front of them as attorneys zoomed in on portions of documents they sought to highlight.

During recent years, Manafort reported making healthy incomes—$504,744 in 2010; $3,071,409 in 2011; $5,361,007 in 2012; $1,910,928 in 2013; $2,984,210 in 2014. But prosecutors say he was making millions more from his work in Ukraine, stashing it in foreign bank accounts and using it to buy luxuries such as a now- infamous $15,000 ostrich-leather bomber jacket.
According to the quartet of reporters, the jurors paid close attention to basic documentary evidence concerned the alleged tax fraud. They were being offered basic facts, and they were taking notes.

For us at home, a bit of thoroughly entertaining dumbnification followed. We were offered the entertainment, and the mandated gossip, involving the now-iconic ostrich jacket.

Just how dumb is the highlighted passage? The passage is this dumb:

According to the four reporters, Manafort was receiving millions of dollars in unreported income. And how was he using that money?

He used the millions of dollars to buy a $15,000 item! Obviously, this construction make no sense, except as an example of scripted dumbnification.

The mandate emerged quite quickly this week—the ostrich must always be mentioned. It's a way of entertaining us rubes. It's also an item of gossip, a way of "killing the pig."

In this case, the four reporters were even willing to identify the jacket as an artifact of irrelevant script. It isn't simply an ostrich-leather jacket, they say. They specifically say that it's the "now-infamous" ostrich jacket, the one that a cast of millions have been clowning about.

When reporters behave this way, they're telling you that they regard you as basically dumb. They're also saying that they regard you as lovers of gossip.

Beyond that, they're telling you something about themselves—that they themselves are creatures of gossip. According to Professor Harari, our warlike species, Homo sapiens, drove all other humans to extinction when this new capability emerged.

Those journalists! They regard you as the sort of people who enjoy killing the pig. In this particular case, the reporters gave us the basic facts—but then, we got our dessert!

The nature of that one "now-infamous" purchase has nothing to do with the basic elements of this trial. Undisclosed income does; so do fraudulent loan statements.

That said, reports of the use to which Manafort put his (undisclosed) income is purely an entertainment function. It's also a matter of gossip, in which legions of leather-wearing liberals are encouraged to see their moral superiority to That Guy, the one Over There.

Hayes should be ashamed of himself for various things he did last night. Petri's column is her usual piffle. That said, this sort of silly scripted gossip is what our press corps likes best.

We'll remind you again—it was Candidate Gore whose wardrobe was frisked by the "mainstream press" for two solid years in one recent election. That disgraceful, relentless conduct was accepted by one and all. In the end, it sent George W. Bush to the White House, where he started an ill-advised war.

People are dead all over the world because the children gossiped and invented fictions about various items of clothing. But it's the game they love the most.

The ostrich stays in the news report! By now, it's a matter of script.

The most faux moment of all: We're sure that Ainsley is a thoroughly decent person. That said, we'll ask you again: Does anyonee escape cable news with their basic values intact?

The analysts groaned at the exchange shown below. This moment was thoroughly faux, but also rather familiar:
HAYES (8/3/18): You know, there's something here as I, as I read testimony in the case and as I've sort of paged through some of the, some of the bits of evidence the government has entered, Julia, that there's a desperation here that's almost cinematic. I mean, you can feel it wafting off the e-mails right? These are people that are scrounging and starved for cash.

AINSLEY: Desperation is the word here, Chris. I'm glad you use that, because I think that's the one word that the prosecution wants to have sticking in the jurors' mind would they go to deliberate. They want to show that this man was desperate enough that he would have worked with these incredibly shady characters like Viktor Yanukovych, that he would have falsified his tax returns. He would have even put his whole business and family at risk because he was so desperate. There was even a point brought up yesterday, he got to a point he might not even be able to pay his own health care premiums, but he still wanted to be able to fund the lifestyle and keep the house in the Hamptons.

This was a man who was desperate, not only to survive, but to keep up his own image. He was desperate, not in a way that you or I might be financially desperate, but desperate to kind of hold onto this kind of pseudo-power that he had amassed around him.
Manafort wasn't financially desperate in the way Ainsley and Hayes might be! Our journos are working stiffs like us, such comments may seem to say.

In such ways, journalists may sometimes try to keep us from grasping the lay of the land in a big-money medium like cable news.

Chris Hayes is very bright; last night, he played it entertaining and dumb through various parts of his hour. How much money is he paid to make these adjustments to his substantial intelligence?

You aren't allowed to know such things! In fact, you're widely encouraged to misunderstand the size of the payments involved.

People will do lots of things for large amounts of cash. It seems that was true in Manafort's life. To what extent is that ancient fact true in the realm of entertaining, ratings-based "cable news?"

People are dead all over the world in part because we don't ask.

43 comments:

  1. "He used the millions of dollars to buy a $15,000 item! Obviously, this construction make no sense"

    Is Somerby busy "dumbnifying" his readers? There's no other explanation. The report says Manafort used his millions to buy luxuries SUCH AS a $15,000 jacket. I don't know about you, but that is way out of my price range. I would never buy such a jacket unless I were a millionaire.

    And why is this jacket tidbit "gossip" or even "dumbnification?" Those words make no sense here. It is an item Manafort actually bought. And it serves as a symbol to illustrate the lavish lifestyle Manafort led. As a one-time crafter of humorous stories, Somerby surely recognizes the value of a concrete illustration to clarify a point. That is precisely why the prosecutors want to show photos to the jury: a picture is worth a thousand words. But for some reason, Somerby agrees with the judge in the case.

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  2. "That said, reports of the use to which Manafort put his (undisclosed) income is purely an entertainment function."

    Here Somerby complains about mention of the ostrich jacket, among other luxury items. Somerby entirely misses the point. The money in the foreign accounts was being laundered by being used to pay directly for big-ticket items. Manafort couldn't transfer it to any personal bank account because it would be traceable then. He bought expensive things in order to gain use of the money which otherwise would be stuck in those accounts and unavailable to him. Ostrich is expensive because it is rare. Mentioning it is like referring to caviar when one talks about a lavish banquet. It exemplifies a luxury item. And the point was that Manafort was deliberately trying to buy expensive stuff to gain access to that money stuck in those foreign accounts.

    So, why does Somerby pretend that this is irrelevant to the trial? Does he really not understand what money laundering is? Does he think these pundits are all giggling about ostrich for no good reason? I believe he understands this stuff perfectly well (since it has been explained and he watches a lot of TV) but chooses to minimize the importance of this testimony in order to downplay Manafort's guilt. He is, in effect, saying "so what? Manafort bought some stuff." That makes him a Manafort apologist, someone trying to fool others into believing Manafort's crimes were trivial. He bought a jacket that the rubes are snickering over -- grow up, Somerby says. But there is a real crime being discussed every time that jacket is mentioned. One that Somerby is willing to gloss over. Why?

    Deadrat says it is too partisan to ascribe Somerby's behavior to a motivation to support Trump or his helpers. If these were isolated instances, it might be plausible that Somerby is just unwilling to contemplate jackets as evidence. But Somerby keeps doing this kind of thing, in a number of contexts, ever since Trump took office. Not before, since he was too busy bashing Hillary's failed candidacy before that.

    "People will do lots of things for large amounts of cash. It seems that was true in Manafort's life." Yes, Manafort's crimes have been committed before. Is that any reason to portray them as entertainment when pundits discuss legitimate evidence of Manafort's wrongdoing? Somerby needs to stop thinking about Gore's wardrobe and understand that Manafort must go to jail, and that he is only the first. Trump's gold toilets will be discussed at some point but that shouldn't keep him out of jail either.

    People will be dead all over the world if Somerby keeps this shit up.

    Manafort's effectiveness depended on his reputation and his connections. If he were to be seen as a failed loser, he would be unable to get new work. That's why he joined Trump's campaign. It is also why his desperation was about more than just paying his bills. It was about maintaining his position in a field that depended on image, and keeping his ability to make good money in the future by attracting new contracts for "consulting." His desperation was based on image in the same way as a movie star's desperation about declining work offers might be based on appearance, looks, age. These are not trivial things when one's career depends on them. So why is Somerby playing dumb and pretending that these MSNBC reporters have somehow gotten things wrong or are making shit up?

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  3. "To what extent is that ancient fact true in the realm of entertaining, ratings-based "cable news?""

    Mr Manafort is a political consultant, political hack for hire. A fighter, with skin in the game, and no bullshit, no hypocrisy.

    Not exactly a role model, obviously, but he surely commands more respect that a typical liberal-goebbelsian journo.

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    1. But, but , but, Trump isn't a typical politician, beholden to political hacks and the elite Establishment.
      At least, that's what all the gas-lighters, who support Trump's bigotry (if not his deep, deep love for the Establishment) have been saying.

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  4. "(He was assisted in part of the dumbnification by NBC's Julia Ainsley.)"

    Ainsley did fine explaining tax evasion. Somerby doesn't like he because she is young and female. I saw her and the attractive young lady from TPM who were both on the show last night and I predicted to myself that Somerby would attack them. Ainsley talked more, so she gets the brunt of his ire.

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  5. Manafort commands respect, Mao? He is a criminal tax evader who has engaged in money laundering and bank fraud, not to mention the treason he helped Trump commit.

    Here is a pretty good rundown of all the things he is being charged with:

    https://www.vox.com/2018/7/31/17590846/paul-manafort-trial-mueller-trump-russia

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  6. "Manafort wasn't financially desperate in the way Ainsley and Hayes might be! Our journos are working stiffs like us, such comments may seem to say."

    She doesn't claim Hayes or herself as "working stiffs." So her comments only "may seem to say" that to someone who wishes to infer that.

    Her point is that she thinks Manafort needed money, not just to pay his bills and feed his family, but to keep up appearances as a power broker. And by the way, keeping up appearances is something that doesn't just apply to millionaires.

    And how much does Somerby think Ainsley is paid? I doubt she makes what Hayes makes.

    By the way, is Somerby a working stiff??

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  7. TDH, you may be suffering from a clinical condition known as struthiophobia, an irrational fear of ostriches. Get help.

    Banks are not popular victims, in part because the banking industry has written the criminal code pertaining to banks. It’s a federal crime to lie on an application for a loan from a federally-regulated bank. Even if no one is thereby hurt. As I recall, that’s what happened to Jim Guy Tucker, governor of Arkansas in the ’90. He got a bank loan and used the money for a purpose other than the one he told the bank. He paid back the loan; the bank wasn’t out a dime. Didn’t matter; still a federal offense.

    The prosecution in these cases quite reasonably wants a defendant at least as unsympathetic as a bank. They don’t want any jurors thinking, “Big deal. The guy fudged some paperwork. I might have done that. No one is out any money, and they still want blood?” So they make sure the jurors know the defendant was living it up on other people’s money not, say, paying for his kid’s cancer treatments.

    If all the reports were about money wasted on luxuries, you might have a point, but the report you quote does a decent job of describing the alleged malfeasance.

    Struthiophobia: there is no cure; apparently there isn’t even hope.

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  8. I'm leaving for Guam next week.

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    1. For a mayonnaise easting contest and a little cuddlefishing.

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    2. Are these Q cult inside jokes? Cause I don't think they are funny to anyone else.

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    3. I'm engendering a nimbostratus cuddlefishing coilition.

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  9. How amusing all these commentaries! Manafort is NOT a criminal. He is alleged to have committed criminal acts, and at the end of this trial he may be deemed in fact a criminal. Trump, Somerby and Ainsley are peripheral. So is the wardrobe, and if I were a juror I would take it ill that the prosecution was going in for character assassination rather than sticking to the pertinent facts, if there are any.

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    1. The trial doesn't make him a criminal or not a criminal, except in the eyes of the law. Manafort became a criminal when he committed his first crime, as a matter of fact and reality. The trial assesses his guilt and assigns punishment according to society's laws, but Manafort is and has been a criminal in terms of his anti-social actions against others.

      If you were a juror, you would suspend judgment until all the evidence was presented on both sides, then deliberate with other jurors guided by the Judge's instructions. Then you would render a verdict based on the evidence. That evidence includes the wardrobe, so you would take it into account and not consider it "character assassination" and you would not display your evident bias against the prosecution. That's what an honest juror would do. Whether you are such a person is up to you to examine. But your words here don't suggest you belong on any jury.

      If you are Russian, your bias would be understandable, since Russia doesn't have the same kind of due process as the USA.

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    2. "The trial doesn't make him a criminal or not a criminal, except in the eyes of the law"

      As opposed to what - the eyes of God almighty? in the eyes of anonymous dembot @1:35 PM?

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    3. Yes, and as a matter of fact. He committed acts that are crimes and those exist whether anyone discovers them, whether he is charged and tried, and whether he is convicted or not. Facts exist as a matter of reality and are not determined by what people say about them or who believes them.

      This is a core difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats live in the so-called reality-based community in which truth matters. Republicans think that reality is whatever they say it is, whatever they can convince people to believe. The whole idea of "fake news" is a Republican construction. It embodies the idea that there is no reality separate from the lies people tell. Manafort can be innocent to Republicans because they can define wrongdoing as nonexistent or as OK, as something everyone does (true or not), and can believe Manafort is a good guy as long as he is loyal to Trump. They don't care about Manfort's crimes. They don't care if Russia is subverting our government. They don't care about anything except their own self interest, just as Manafort didn't care about those being defrauded or anyone except himself and his survival (which hinges on currying favor with Trump and the oligarchs).

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    4. "Facts exist as a matter of reality"

      Now, that's already a highly debatable proposition ("If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"), but it's also irrelevant.

      Taken as 'facts', the concept of 'criminal' only makes sense in the framework of the legal system. Someone is factually a 'criminal' when - and only when - the legal system had determined it to be so.

      And the rest of your rant is, sadly, just a bunch of lowest dembot drivel...

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  10. Just to clarify, Anonymous. You are able to testify that you are a witness that Manafort has committed crimes. Were I a juror I would like to hear your testimony, and not waste time with "a now- infamous $15,000 ostrich-leather bomber jacket." If you do not have first-hand information, then maybe Democrats " think that reality is whatever they say it is, whatever they can convince people to believe."

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    1. An invoice that says "paid via wire transfer" is evidence that Manafort took money placed in an account in Cyprus (or some other foreign location) and transferred it to himself in the USA by paying for big ticket items via direct transfer from those accounts. He bought a luxury MBenz, for example. He was on a spending spree because if he just moved the money into his own bank account directly, the money would be traceable by the government and he would have to pay taxes on it, and account for where he got it. That makes the invoice evidence in hand, more than someone standing up and saying "Manafort moved the money to the US by buying expensive stuff." The invoice is the paper trail and it should be more convincing to you, as a juror, than anyone saying he did such things.

      If you want to insist that things like invoices stamped paid via wire transfer are not evidence of anything, you are denying what your own eyes tell you and distorting reality to fit your preconceptions, as Republicans so often do. It is not a waste of time for a juror to actually look at those invoices, understand that they represented more than normal purchases even for a very luxurious lifestyle, and get it that something unusual was happening with those wire transfer payments.

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  11. Let me clarify. The purchase of a $10 can opener with a paper trail could furnish hard incriminating evidence. The "infamous $15,000 ostrich-leather bomber jacket" must be tied to charges the prosecution is making or it is "dumbnification."

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    1. The bill for the ostrich coat, which was one of several items purchased together that added up to about $160,000 or thereabouts (don't recall exact figure) was presented as evidence because it showed that the total amount was paid via wire transfer from a foreign bank account. The point wasn't what was bought but that it was paid for via wire transfer. So, yes, it was evidence tied to charges of tax evasion and foreign payments for work in the Ukraine. It was part of the money trail.

      This is why Somerby's attempts to make it seem like the coat is all fun and games is so wrong-headed and not dumbnification at all. Somerby is being deliberately obtuse again. Right at the top of the invoice it says paid via wire transfer. That is the evidence part.

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  12. In the end Manafort may be convicted of having a "lavish life style." He will be sentenced to time served in solitary.

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    1. Tax evasion, bank fraud, working as an unregistered agent of a foreign government. There are many serious charges and this is not at all about coats and fancy living.

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  13. No-one can deny that the charges are serious, but thankfully for all of us we live in a country where the burden of proof is on the prosecution. This applies to all cases be the defendant rich or poor. It also means that if a crime can't be proven the fact that it may have happened in reality is irrelevant. It cannot be subject to a criminal verdict in Court. This is essential if the innocent are to have any hope when it comes to the law. So lets just see how this plays out in Court.

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    1. OJ was found not guilty but few people consider him innocent. How irrelevant was his crime?

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    2. It's quite easy to be a murderer without being a criminal, you know. All you need to do is to avoid getting caught and convicted.

      In fact, I hear many people believe that's exactly what Bill and Hillary Clinton are...

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    3. The Russian hack found no such evidence that Bill and Hillary Clinton committed murder. Nor did it find evidence of any wrong-doing.
      At least that's what Trump and his minions who colluded by taking the meeting are claiming.
      I'm looking forward to your whining about how incompetent the Russians are, since they (like the Republican party, and every moron-supporter of them) keep coming up with zero evidence of the Clintons wrong-doing.

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  14. According to Politico, Manafort had spoken to the FBI, and in 2014 had revealed much of the info now being discussed.

    “"Paul Manafort voluntarily agreed to go talk to these FBI agents and to Department of Justice attorneys. Not only to discuss his consulting work over in Ukraine, but to provide information about individuals that they were interested in," Zehnle said. "He told them that he had received $27 million in income for his services during the years they were asking him about...he even identified these accounts by the names of the entities that they were held in."

    Manafort's defense contends that any investigation of him went dormant, only to be revived amid the Russia-related scrutiny of the Trump campaign, but it's not entirely clear where that probe stood when Manafort took the top job there in 2016.”


    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/06/manafort-trial-defense-mueller-760452

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    1. From the same article: “There’s no defense here," said Jeff Cramer, a former federal prosecutor now with Berkeley Research Group. "This is a slow guilty plea."

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  18. I'm Olivia Megan from United State,I'm happy that my husband is back into my life after 2 years of divorce, Dr.AKHERE brought my husband back today and i am so excited. I got DR AKHERE email online when a lady was testifying about the strong spell caster who restored her marriage then I said to myself since he helped her, he can also help me,so i emailed him and told him the pain that I was going through,and he told me what to do and i did it,Then he did an urgent Love spell for me. 48 hours later, my husband came back home and with lots of love and joy,and he apologized for his mistake,and for the pain he caused me. Then from that day,our marriage was now stronger than how it were before, All thanks to DR AKHERE. Our family is complete again. If you are going through Divorce/Broke-up since DR AKHERE helped me, he can also help you..email him at: AKHERETEMPLE@gmail.com ,Thank you DR AKHERE for saving my broken Marriage and brought my husband back to me.
    Email him: AKHERETEMPLE@gmail.com
    or
    call/whatsapp:+2349057261346

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  19. URGENT GENUINE LOVE-SPELL TO GET YOUR EX BOYFRIEND/GIRLFRIEND OR HUSBAND/WIFE BACK FAST.
    I have something to share with you!!! There is a great joy in my heart which I want to share with everyone. My name is Jessica Jack, from united States. I had a misunderstanding with my lover last year which led us to break up and he never wanted to hear my voice again. He saw a beautiful woman which he find more prettier than me, but as time went on I met god Dr Purity He is a great spell caster. I contacted him through his email and
    explained everything to him. He said that I shouldn't worry, that my lover will come back to me on his knees begging for forgiveness before 24 hours. My greatest joy now is that he actually came back to me and fell on
    his knees begging for forgiveness, and today we are happy and he also cured
    my Sister's breast cancer. Do you have any problem? worry no more because Dr Purity can provide lasting spell solution to any problems:email him puritylovespell@gmail.com or call him +2348070980389 or add him on whats- app +2348070980389

    (1)If you want your ex back.

    (2)You want to be promoted in your office.

    (3)If you want to be cured of HIV, Cancers and other diseases.

    (4)You want to be rich.

    (5)You want your husband/wife to be yours forever.

    (6)Healing of cancer, Hiv/Aids, Herpes and all kinds of sickness.

    (7)If you went to get pregnant.

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  20. Hello everyone I want to share a testimony on how i was cured of HERPES Simplex Virus by Dr Covenant.i went to hospital but they gave me list of drugs like Famvir, Zovirax, and
    Valtrex which are expensive to treat the symptoms and never cured me. I was browsing the Internet searching for remedy on HERPES, i saw comment of people talking about Dr Covenant cured them.I collected his email address and messaged him to give it a try, he said i would be fine withing a week, to my greatest suprise, after him working for me, my HERPES result came out negative. He is specialize in treating different kinds of diseases such as
    Cancer
    Diabetes
    Hiv/Aids
    Brain Tumor
    Fertility
    Leucoderma Vitiligo
    And many more

    you contact him on Email at(Covenantsolutiontemple@gmail.com) or WHATSAPP at +2349057353987

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  21. Hello,

    I'm Dr Ogudugu, a real and genuine spell caster/Spiritual healer with years of experience in spell casting and an expert in all spells, i specialize exclusively in LOVE SPELL/GET REUNITE WITH EX LOVER, MONEY SPELL, POWERFUL MAGIC RING, ANY COURT CASES, FRUIT OF THE WOMB, HIV CURE, CURE FOR CANCER, HERPES, DIABETE, HERPERTITIS B, PARKINSON’S HERBAL CURE, BECOMING A MERMAID, BECOMING A VAMPIRE, SAVE CHILD BIRTH. They are all %100 Guaranteed QUICK Results, it most work. If you have any problem and you need a real and genuine spell caster to solve your problems, contact me now through my personal Email Address with problem case...Note-you can also Text/Call on WhatsApp.

    Contact me -
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    WhatsApp No: +27663492930

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  22. I'm 61 years old, I contracted hpv in 2011' I has be taking lot treatment for it and embarrassed some months ago the wart stated coming out seriously, I used lot recommendation because there was lot warts around my anus and was so . but today I'm totally happy I got the virus eliminated by using natural treatment from Dr Onokun herbal center after his treatment I got cured. all the warts went away' seriously believed Dr Onokun he have the cure for human papillomavirus because he has eliminated hpv been in my body since 2011, Dr Onokun make it possible for me. Here is Dr Onokun email:  dronokunherbalcure@gmail.com 

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  23. Thank you Thank You Very much Doctor Otonokpo for making my ex boyfriend come back to me. I am Cordelia Sandra from Brazil and i am putting this testimony here too because i want to share my testimony of how i was helped by Doctor Otonokpo within 48 hours of contacting him. Yes, it was last week my ex boyfriend returned to me after i contacted Doctor Otonokpo. My boyfriend was always going back to meet his ex girlfriend because he never really left her. Her name was Sophie. I didn't know how it happened one day after breakfast that i saw him looking at his ex girlfriend's picture on Facebook and I flared at him that he doesn't care about him and he was with me and still thinking about his ex although we have been dating for 6 months. He stormed at me and left the house and never returned. I was heartbroken and wanted him to come back. I was in a nightclub with friend one evening that I saw him with Sophie there, I was humiliated that night and I regretted going there only to see him there. I went online after some days and found Doctor Otonokpo and read about him and I contacted him to help me get him back. I must say that within 48 hours, my boyfriend came back to me and pleaded for leaving me. Is this how spell works so fast? Please, if you want help, contact Doctor Otonokpo too to help you at otonokpotemple@gmail.com
    Call/WhatsApp +2348114129781

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