Commander's approval soars, Post says!

SATURDAY, JANUARY 25, 2020

Our own top concern goes missing:
Fearlessly, we decided to take The Top Policy Issue Challenge.

It was a bit of a throwaway by our favorite blogger. In fairness, the project was capsuled as shown:
DRUM (1/24/20): Here’s a little weekend survey for you. I’m just curious about which things are most important to you in this election cycle. It’s limited to policy issues, so it doesn’t include things like “beat Trump” or “elect a woman.”

The choices are presented in random order. You may select up to five.
Drum listed 27 policy issues from which survey-takers could choose. That said, the "thing [which is] most important to [us] in this election cycle" didn't appear on the list. It didn't even make his list of the two things which aren't policy issues!

What's most important to us in this depressing election cycle? It isn't exactly a policy issue, but it comes fairly close.

We're most concerned with the nation's increasing tribal schism, an artifact which can also be described as our "partisan divide." An unknown, highly talented young politician discussed a form of this massive cultural problem way back in The Summer of '04:
OBAMA (7/27/04): The pundits, the pundits like to slice-and-dice our country into Red States and Blue States; Red States for Republicans, Blue States for Democrats. But I’ve got news for them, too. We worship an awesome God in the Blue States, and we don’t like federal agents poking around in our libraries in the Red States. We coach Little League in the Blue States and yes, we’ve got some gay friends in the Red States. There are patriots who opposed the war in Iraq and there are patriots who supported the war in Iraq.

We are one people, all of us pledging allegiance to the stars and stripes, all of us defending the United States of America. In the end, that’s what this election is about.
Four years later, this unknown pol was himself the Democratic nominee. But on that first encounter, he was discussing a form of the most important problem we currently face.

We don't see an obvious way out of this terrible problem. Obama blamed it on "the pundits," and to a certain extent he was right. It's hard to see a way out of this mess when major corporate interests are selling Pure Tribal Belief at our three cable news channels and all over the Internet.

Social media doesn't help. It helps us see how badly we within our floundering species have always needed guidance from capable "thought leaders." Absent them, the deluge!

Within our own liberal tribe, we can see the deceptions Over There, and we love to discuss them. On the other hand, we have a very hard time seeing the way we ourselves are being propagandized by the multimillionaire corporate hirelings who present as cable news stars.

For us, it's hard to see a way out of this mess as long as this highly profitable communication system remains in place. That said, this problem is almost never discussed, except in the form of complaints about what's being said by The Others.

Major experts keep telling us that this is simply the way our species' brain is wired. Throughout human history, this unfortunate wiring has led on to war, or so these experts have said.

These scholars may well be right! In the current context, these hard-wired impulses may have helped produce this troubling news report in this morning's Washington Post.

Hard-copy headline included:
Post-ABC poll: Trump's approval rating matches highest of his presidency

President Trump’s approval rating has climbed to match the highest of his presidency
, boosted by majority approval of his economic stewardship even as Americans remain deeply divided on whether the Senate should remove him from office, according to a Washington Post-ABC News poll.

The Post-ABC poll finds 44 percent of Americans approve of Trump’s overall job performance and 51 percent disapprove. While views of Trump remain negative, Trump’s approval rating is significantly improved from his 38 percent mark in late October.

A 56 percent majority approves of Trump’s handling of the economy, up 10 percentage points from September and his strongest rating on his marquee issue since entering office. By contrast, 39 percent approve of Trump’s handling of his impeachment, while 50 percent disapprove.

The findings suggest the country’s strong economy and heightened support from men and independents are helping Trump weather an impeachment trial
in which Democrats have argued Trump abused his presidential powers and obstructed a congressional investigation of his actions. Trump’s 44 percent approval mark is similar to other recent national polls, though other polls have shown Trump’s rating stable or increasing slightly.
How strange! In this one particular poll, the commander's approval rating has "significantly improved" since impeachment started in earnest!

It's true that this is just one poll. None of its numbers can be regarded as "accurate," though that's the way the jugglers and clowns treat every new poll out of Iowa as they kill time and entertain us on cable.

It's also true that 44 percent isn't a high approval rating as judged by traditional standards. That said, traditional standards and norms are almost certainly gone—and the commander's approval is bumping up even as we, Over Here in our own tents, feel most sure that his deviant behavior is being most fully exposed.

Why would Those numbers bump up at a juncture like this? Also, why does anyone approve of the commander at all?

As we enjoy the blandishments of our multimillionaire corporate stars, we liberals rarely ask such questions. When we do, we quickly provide memorized versions of our standard answers.

The mugging and clowning of our tribal stars can be quite entertaining! Along the way, we're rarely asked to wonder about this part of the Post's report:
The poll also finds a 57 percent majority of men approve of Trump, up 12 percentage points from October to the highest level of his presidency. By contrast, 33 percent of women approve of Trump’s performance, little changed from 31 percent in the fall. The 24-percentage-point gender gap in Trump’s approval rating is the largest in Post-ABC polls since he took office.
None of those numbers can be regarded as "accurate." But why might the gender gap be so large? We liberals tend to have our standard answers and the cable stars we love rarely take us beyond them.

Drum listed 27 policy issues which may be "most important" to the individual reader. That said, nothing will change in those policy areas as long as this tribal division continues to widen and harden.

Everyone knows this, and nobody cares. Experts say we're wired that way as well. As always, they could be right. (Their credentials are in order.)

That said, the outcome of such divisions tends to take a common form. As our most astonishing talent from nowhere once said:

"...And the war came."

It's always easy to see what's going wrong Over There. It's harder to see the limitations within one's own harbor and tribe.

Our analysts cheered Ed Kilgore a few days ago as he noted a few of the flaws with some of our current tribal constructions. But we don't see a good way out of our current partisan mess, and we rarely see anyone describe this mess as our nation's growing ur-problem.

We scanned that List of 27 for our own current greatest concern. It isn't exactly a "policy issue," but then too, it wasn't included.

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  1. “But why might the gender gap be so large? We liberals tend to have our standard answers and the cable stars we love rarely take us beyond them.”

    Women hate Trump because he is a misogynist and is leading the right wing war on women.

    Or would Somerby care to share what he thinks it is, if not that?

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    1. Women don't think that farting while hugging the flag is awesome.

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    2. Warren deleted a tweet yesterday because she caught a lot of flak about her interfaith council that is comprised of 14 Christians, one Jew, a Buddhist, and no women in hijabs or burkas.

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    3. And no Catholics either.

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    4. I didn't see any complaints (on leftish blogs) about the lack of hijabs or burkas. I saw a bunch of people calling it an Intrafaith Council because of the lack of representation of more than one religion (Protestants).

      The right (including Cecelia) wants to portray this complaint as an example of lefty Islamophilia. Meanwhile, Catholics are 22% of people in the USA and Protestants are 55%.

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    5. 11:14am,lighten up, grumpy-pants.

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    6. 11:14,
      Don't forget to smile when you call out Cecelia's bullshit.
      Thank you.

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  2. A dew random observations for what they are worth (probably not much)
    About the divide into tribes. Sure it looks bad. But I can remember the 60's, when they was all this unrest about Vietnam (a disaster for the US and Vietnam, though they won, so many got killed); there were riots in the cities, quite a divide. There was angst about nuclear war and the (so-called) Russian threat in the 50's; the great depression in the 30's; an actual Civil War. While these are going on, you don't know how it will turn out. Maybe things are falling apart now. Maybe global warming will be catastrophic. Let's hope for the best. We tend not to have much historical perspective though.
    About the polls. I personally don't like them. We'll find out who wins when the election takes place. They don't mean much now. Things could change dramatically between now and November. Quite a bit depends on the economy. (Remember Clinton said "it's the economy, stupid"? I think the average voter cars a lot more about the economy than the plight of migrants trying to enter the US. If any thing they don't like them coming here.) But as far as the polls go - how many people who get called actually agree to respond to those things, or even pick up the phone for them now that there is caller ID? Do they actually reflect reality? And how did we survive without polls back when Washington, Adams and Jefferson were running?

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  3. “and the commander's approval is bumping up even as we, Over Here in our own tents, feel most sure that his deviant behavior is being most fully exposed.”

    The numbers aren’t accurate, and looking at polls is a fool’s game, but...look at these polls!

    His deviancy *is* being exposed, every minute of every day. That his deviancy is being ignored Over There says something about Over There. It indicates a bloc of voters too far gone to even imagine dumping their tribalism or being open to any rational discussion at all. And that isn’t my tribal belief; it’s simply a fact.

    It’s worthwhile to remember that Democrats acknowledged that Clinton did something wrong, and were willing to censure him for it, whereas the GOP today is committed to backing Trump’s deviancy to the utmost degree. And the GOP elite are people who know and understand Trump’s deviancy. How Somerby thinks any cooperation is possible with such enablers is unknown.

    And his notion that dropping “identity politics” is key for liberals, or that it would really change the political calculus, or that it wouldn’t have significant repercussions for liberals is a pipe dream. Conservatives will always find ways of demonizing liberals, whether or not they are justified. That is their MO.

    Obama is an instructive example. He wanted and tried to govern by reaching across the aisle. That got him McConnell’s pledge to obstruct everything and a Supreme Court nominee that never even got a hearing.

    So screw this “both sides are equally to blame” business.

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    1. After several hours of discussion, I managed to get a Trump voter to understand how offensive Trump's treatment of women has been. But his only response was "well, if you feel that way, you certainly shouldn't vote for him." No dent in his own attitude toward Trump at all. You can't talk to these people.

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  4. Every time Trump’s numbers rise, Somerby is there to tell the liberals how it shows their failure. Conversely, when Trump’s numbers drop, crickets.

    The truth is that there is a ceiling for Trump. His poll numbers fluctuate, but never go above this ceiling. So the fluctuation is practically meaningless.

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  5. It’s useful to remember that Lincoln’s appeal to the “better angels of our nature” came after he successfully pursued the utter destruction of the South.

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    1. The South wasn't utterly destroyed, except in Sherman's path. Ya gotta stop reading those white supremacist web sites.

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    2. Lincoln should have made the South the North's parking lot, but didn't.

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    3. Yeah, getting murdered will make you lose track of priorities.

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  6. "But we don't see a good way out of our current partisan mess"

    There's no "partisan mess", dear Bob. Normal people don't identify with political 'parties', not in any hard manner.

    This whole "mess" is in the liberal zombie media, and a few liberal zombie politicians. Tsk. Well, and also inside your own head, I'm afraid.

    The only way to get rid of all that crap is to defeat your grotesque totalitarian zombie cult. Which might, with any luck, happen in November. Let's hope.

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    1. Interesting. Tell us more, Mark.

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    2. Keep up the good work Mao, you've learned well

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  7. Notable that when there are polls (and there are lots) showing Trump's approval rating dropping, Somerby never comments. But if a poll shows up showing Trump up, Somerby jumps on it gleefully.

    Somerby is a concern troll, and a hard core Trumptard.

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  9. The partisan divide is awful, but it's not that important. Ordinary Americans are living our lives, going to work, raising children, doing recreation, etc. These are not affected by the partisan political divide.

    Sad to say, Congress is coping, despite the partisan divide. When giving our tax money to their friends, Republicans and Democrats cooperate all too well to ladle out the moolah.

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    1. Whatever today's voters are like, they aren't complacent.

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    2. No both sides, when it comes to abortion Rights, David.
      Ready to vote for the Democrat?

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  10. The gap between men and women voters is bigger than the gap between liberal and conservative voters. That isn't going to go away once Trump is out of office.

    That's why this business about Bernie ignoring a non-aggression pack to have his surrogates attack Warren, then lying about it, is going to seriously damage Bernie's electability. And Biden's handsyness is going to damage Uncle Joe at the polls. There are enough women who care about who is nominated that the gender gap needs to be taken into consideration. Many women were brokenhearted by Hillary's loss. The media thought it was entertaining to show them crying as the vote tallies came in. But those were real tears and women aren't going to stand for another 2016.

    The NY Times may have considered that when they nominated two women. I've seen some idiotic discussions online, that the women are proxies for Biden and Sanders. I think it is more likely that the NY Times has some astute analysts who see the writing on the wall, in ways that Somerby and Drum, secure in their own gender dominance, do not grasp.

    Every day on TV, Nancy Pelosi demonstrated what female leadership can look like. She is the role model for a female president. Men can rally around Trump, but he has split the bros into competing factions, red and blue. Women will line up behind any women who isn't Tulsi Gabbard or Sarah Palin. Because men have done a terrible job on women's issues and women are out of patience with their incompetence.

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    1. The best you can say is that the NYT is half astute.

      Nancy Pelosi has demonstrated what legislative party leadership looks like, period.
      She is a role model for any progressive President, period.
      Men have done a terrible job on issues across the board.

      But if the Democrats nominate a woman, then women are going to stand around and take another 2016 just like everybody else. You can believe all you want that sisterhood is powerful, but it won’t overcome the electoral college and the wave of misogyny that will swamp a female nominee.

      She’ll have my vote and my money, but we’re all going to cry as the vote tallies come in.

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    2. 'we’re all going to cry as the vote tallies come in.'

      Not Somerby. Somerby will be cheering if the Dem nominee loses, like other Trumptards.

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  11. pack should be pact (obviously)

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  12. Since Somerby is so interested in mainstream media, why doesn't he talk about their big fail over American Dirt?

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    1. Uh, oh! A clueless white woman wrote a clueless novel about Mexicans. It's true that there's nothing so dumb about race that a white person somewhere hasn't said or written something dumber.

      Why is that news?

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    2. Because the mainstream media gave the book rave reviews.

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    3. deadrat, remember that Somerby doesn't cover news here. He muses about the mainstream media. They messed up with American Dirt, but crickets from Somerby, because he only cares about the media as a stick to beat liberals with.

      Oprah made a big fool of herself. Her viewers won't care. But those who care about immigrants are upset because this book portrays the so-called immigrant experience in a misleading way, and because it thinks emigration as a refugee is an action-adventure story which happens to wealthy middle class women because they break their marriage vows (and thus deserve what happens to them). This book has nothing to do with immigrants at all. It is a soap opera which uses immigrantion as a setting, and thus will give nearly everyone the wrong impression about what actual immigrants are experiencing. And the author is laughing all the way to the bank.

      This is right up Somerby's aisle because he can make fun of liberals for supporting immigrants via this book, without realizing that the book actually exploits immigrants (and liberal concern for them).

      I'm sure he'll get around to it, after he gets done writing about whatever it was he tried to say yesterday.

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    4. Good point. If TDH has time for books about Einstein and Wittgenstein, I suppose he should make time to get his boot in here.

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  13. Drum's supposed survey is a mechanism for collecting email addresses for some future advertising campaign. You have to log on in order to participate in it.

    On the other hand, the NY Times seems to have removed its pay wall for stories about the ongoing impeachment trial.

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  14. From Taegan Goddard at The Wire:

    "President Trump slammed House manager Adam Schiff as a “CORRUPT POLITICIAN” who is “now exposed for illegally making up my phone call, & more!”

    He added that “Shifty” has “not paid the price, yet, for what he has done to our Country!”"

    Apparently Trump thinks it is "illegal" to paraphrase his conversations. Here he calls for retribution against a political enemy.

    Trump has no idea that the government exists to serve the people and not as his personal instrument for revenge.

    Back by the technical means to invade our privacy and motivated by the desire to protect his own ego and get even with others, Trump's friendship with Bezos and Zuckerburg makes him truly dangerous to all citizens of the US, not just immigrants, dreamers, and ambassadors to Ukraine.

    Goodbye 2020, hello police state.

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  15. Fomenting division among lower-income people through racism has been the objective of Republicans since Nixon's time. Democrats have not really assisted in this - it is to their disadvantage, or was when they really tried to represent working people. But the media have always turned a blind eye to the motivations of Republicans. They have just repeated Republicans' phony claims about motivations on both "social" and economic matters. Things might not have been much different if the media had been more interested in reporting truth than not offending either side (or more importantly major advertisers). But excessive partisanship on the part of Democrats or liberals has been a minor part of the problem. This is not why Democrats lose elections.

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    1. Why do they keep saying that Democrats lose elections when Obama was in office for two terms?

      Somerby still doesn't acknowledge that Clinton lost (including the electoral college) because of Russian interference. If Russia interferes again, whoever is the Democratic nominee (including Biden and Sanders) may lose. There is no magic candidate who can withstand meddling with the election process.

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  16. So TDH thinks the problem with the media is "tribalism", and not that it's the propaganda arm of global corporations?

    Fortunately, Bob is running a Right-wing grievance. blog, and not a media criticism blog, so it really doesn't matter how wrong Bob is.

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