DUELING DISPROPORTIONS: Tony Timpa, age 32, died crying in the street!

WEDNESDAY, JULY 29, 2020

A second disproportion also exists:
We've been discussing a major disproportion in the upper-end press corps' coverage of a certain type of event.

We refer to the amount of attention paid to incidents in which people are shot and killed by police officers.

The current disproportion tracks to the shooting death of Trayvon Martin in January 2012. Trayvon Martin, then 17, wasn't shot by a police officer, but that's where the current journalistic trend got its start.

More on the coverage of that event next week. For now, back to that disproportion:

At present, some of these shooting deaths receive massive press coverage, as is completely appropriate. Others of these shooting deaths barely get mentioned at all.

Today, we'll cite a pair of cases in which unarmed people were apparently asphyxiated by police officers. In each case, the conduct by the officer or officers seems extremely hard to defend.

We'll start with a headline from the Associated Press. This headline may seem quite familiar:
Video: Man who died during arrest cries, begs police to stop
It would be natural to assume that the report which carried that headline was a report about the recent killing of the late George Floyd. It would be natural to assume that the headline sat atop an AP report about the release of the videotape which showed the horrors of Floyd's recent death.

In fact, that headline sat atop a report about the killing of Tony Timpa, age 32, in Dallas. The AP report appeared in July 2019, when videotape of this killing first appeared.

In fact, Timpa died at the hands of four police officers in August 2016. Yesterday, we heard his name for the first time, as we read a recent piece by Matt Taibbi about a different topic.

Timpa's death at the hands of police receive virtually no coverage in real time. Last year, when that horrendous videotape appeared as part of a legal case, the contents of the videotape occasioned a very small amount of press coverage.

The videotape of George Floyd's death is clearly horrendous. What was horrendous about the videotape in the case of this earlier death?

To understand that, you must watch the tape, or read a summary you feel you can trust. Below, you see the start of a recent discussion of this case which appeared in The New Republic.

This essay in The New Republic was written by Audrey Farley. Farley believes that "increasingly desperate critics of the Black Lives Matter" position are trying to "exploit" the facts of Timpa's death.

Farley is heavily favorable to the Black Lives Matter movement, as is completely appropriate. For that reason, we'll suggest that the summary with which she starts her report can almost surely be trusted:
FARLEY (7/9/20): On August 10, 2016, Tony Timpa, a 32-year-old white businessman, called the police, claiming he needed help. As Timpa told the dispatcher, he had recently stopped taking his medication for schizophrenia and depression, had consumed drugs, and was afraid for his safety. Officers arrived on the scene outside a Dallas porn shop, where a private security guard had already handcuffed Timpa. While Timpa never threatened officers on the scene or resisted arrest, he acted erratically. It wasn’t long before an officer pinned him under his knee.

Body-cam footage released in 2019, following a court order, shows Timpa pleading, “You’re gonna kill me! You’re gonna kill me!” and begging to be freed for nearly 14 minutes before falling unconscious.
At that point, officers presumed he was sleeping and didn’t bother to check his pulse. Instead, they joked about his supposed imbecility. “It’s time for school. Wake up!” one officer said. Another replied, “I don’t want to go to school! Five more minutes, Mom!” Officers laughed about buying him new shoes for the first day and making him waffles for breakfast. Finally, after four minutes of Timpa being unresponsive, a medical responder began CPR. It was futile. An autopsy later confirmed sudden cardiac arrest due to “excessive physical restraint,” also citing cocaine and the narcotic Tramadol in Timpa’s system.
This conduct was remarkably similar to the conduct visited, four years later, upon the late George Floyd. In a recent essay for Reason, Jacob Sullum quotes the pleas from the dying Timpa which can be heard on the tape:
SULLUM (7/9/20): Recall that the cops ostensibly were there to help Timpa, who was obviously freaking out and according to his family was "suffering drug-induced psychosis." The officers clearly recognized that Timpa was intoxicated, since they repeatedly asked him what drug he was on, and he told them he had taken cocaine. Yet they proceeded to restrain him for 15 minutes in a position that made it difficult for him to breathe. Given the circumstances, Timpa's "resistance," which the officers repeatedly described as "squirming," was perfectly understandable. [U.S. District Judge David] Godbey's framing suggests that someone who panics because he is being smothered to death thereby justifies the use of force that caused him to fear for his life.

"Will you let me go, please?" Timpa begged. "Please let me go….Help me! Help!…Help me. Help me. Help me….Oh God, please. Oh God, please….Stop, Officer….It hurts! Please take it off." He repeatedly lifted and turned his head, as if struggling to breathe.
In a recent ruling, Judge Godbey granted "qualified immunity" to the officers involved, frustrating the ability of Timpa's family to seek legal redress. We aren't qualified to say if Godbey's decision was right.

That said:

In that passage, Sullum is reporting Timpa's dying words, as they exist on that videotape. Along the way, Sullum mentioned the extent to which this horrendous incident resembles the horrendous incident in which George Floyd lost his life.

In Farley's view, conservatives are trying to "exploit" this similarity. That said:

Presumably, almost anyone can see how similar these horrendous incidents were. People will disagree as to whether attention should be paid to that fact, but the basic similarity of these killings is hard to disappear.

That said, these incidents are vastly different in one major way:

The killing of Floyd has received worldwide attention, as is completely appropriate. By way of contrast, very few people have ever heard of Timpa, four years after his death.

Here again, we see a major disproportion in the amount of attention paid to similar events. The killing of Floyd has received massive press coverage, as is completely appropriate.Until the last few weeks, the killing of Timpa had received almost none.

Does this disproportionate coverage possibly constitute a problem? More specifically, is it possible that misperceptions arise from such disproportionate coverage—misperceptions concerning some of the most important topics with which e must come to terms?

We would assume that this disproportion creates large misperceptions about extremely important topics. We think the press corps' conduct in this regard has been (typically) incompetent, tilting over toward heinous.

That said, when it comes to death at the hands of police officers, a second type of disproportion is often mentioned. When this second type of disproportion is ignored, it too could create a misperception.

It seems to us that this second misperception would be less extreme than the one which is currently being created. At any rate, the second type of disproportion is mentioned today in the New York Times, in its report about Attorney General Barr's appearance before the House:
FANDOS AND SAVAGE (7/29/20): Asked about the pleas for racial justice informing many of the protests, Mr. Barr said, “I don’t agree that there is systemic racism in police departments generally in this country,” and he quoted statistics that more white Americans had been killed by the police than Black Americans.

Critics have called those figures misleading
because they do not account for relative population differences; a Black person is more likely to be killed than a white person.
In absolute numbers, more white people are killed in encounters with police officers. We remain curious as to how many people are aware of that basic fact.

That said:

As a percentage of population, more black people get killed in encounters with police. That disproportion would also be a part of any full discussion of this important topic.

A few weeks ago, many observers cited that second disproportion. They did so in response to an accurate statement by President Donald J. Trump, one of history's rarest events.

That second type of disproportion is part of any full discussion too. We plan to discuss that disproportion in the next two days.

Tomorrow: Disproportions 1 and 2

McWhorter speaks: John McWhorter is an associate professor of English and comparative literature at Columbia, where he mainly teaches linguistics. We regard him as visibly sane, if not always right in all things.

McWhorter recently discussed Tony Timpa's death. We expect to return to his analysis, but if you want to peruse it today, you can find it here.

McWhorter's piece appears at Quillette, not at The Atlantic, where we normally find his work. We hunted around and found it because it was mentioned by Farley.

36 comments:

  1. "We think the press corps' conduct in this regard has been (typically) incompetent, tilting over toward heinous."

    Meh. Your goebbelsian employees of your goebbelsian Ministry of Truth do exactly what your liberal cult tells them to do, dear Bob.

    Please consider that without these goebbelsian shitheads your liberal-zombie cult wouldn't even exist, and you'd have to start looking for another 'tribe' to join.

    And imagine, dear Bob, the horrific possibility that all other 'tribes' would disown race-baiting altogether, and think of people as simply people, not 'blacks' and 'whites'. What would you do then, dear Bob? No tribe for you?

    See now how you should be grateful to your liberal zombie media?

    "...not at The Atlantic, where we normally find his work"

    Sorry, but if someone published by The Atlantic is "visibly sane", then he has to be a scumbag neocon, dear Bob. And why would you want to read that sort of shit?

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    2. Darling Mao,

      Your goebbelsian wisdom has no peer. With every new day I rise with the sun to see what wonders will emit from your flying fingers and splendid brain, and I am rarely disappointed -- and then only because you have declined to post anything. I can personally attest that you, and you alone, have drawn me back from the abyss of despair with your daily affirmations. Pay no heed to your critics! They merely envy you. Zombies, all of them, as you know.

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  2. Somerby shows yet again why the police should be defunded.

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  3. Somerby continues his strange and ineffectual effort to deny context from issues surrounding race.

    Somerby dismisses absolute numbers when it does not serve his narrative, such as with Covid, and asserts their importance when it does serve his narrative.

    Blacks are 2.7 times more likely to be killed by cops than whites.

    Quillette is a right wing idw platform.

    Taibbi is a pseudo progressive hack.

    Coffee has caffeine.

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    1. Blacks are 5 times as likely to commit murder as whites. As a proportion of murderers, blacks are less likely than whites to be killed by cops.

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    2. Criminals are likely to be shot by police. Criminals, junkies, that social strata.

      Criminals and junkies, like Saint Floyd.

      Mr Timpa, age 32, it sounds like he belonged to the same category.

      What percentage of them are "black"? Sorry, but imo no normal humyn being would care.

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    3. anon 9:58 - for some reason it has happened but most of the so-called liberal outlets, and the main stream media and a large segment of those identified as 'liberals' have adopted a view about what is going on now about police killings, race, "systemic racism", white privilege, "protests against police brutality and systemic racism" against "Black and brown people, etc. ("Black" now is capitalized, not white or brown - and who are the "brown" people; it's not completely clear to me. I'm a lawyer and when you have a case, you try to paint the facts to advance your client's position. If there are any facts that contradict your client's position, you downplay them, or ignore them, are try to frame them in an advantageous way - or you take them head on and try to use reason to counter them. In law, there is an adversary system, so the other side gets to advance their arguments, and have the opportunity to refute your arguments. What I see in the way this phenomenon following the Floyd killing (though it has been going on for quite some time) is that the liberal and non-right wing media ignore the weaknesses of their stance. (Right wing outlets do this and we sure don't like that). One example is the point that more whites than blacks get killed by the police. That is a fact that supports the argument that the killing of someone like Floyd isn't evidence that the police are "systemically" racist. The rather pat response to this is like anon 9:57's response - blacks are 2.7 times more likely to be killed than whites. That is some evidence that 'racism' is a factor. But this doesn't end a reasonable analysis. For example, presumably far more men are killed by cops than women. By anon 9:57's logic, it would follow that cops are bigoted against men - but no one would really draw that conclusion. Men are much more likely to get in violent confrontations with police. But, by the same token, blacks commit disproportionately more crimes than whites, especially violent ones. As a result, they are more likely to have confrontations with police, and thus more likely to be killed. Also, it might be the case that black's in general are less deferential to police than whites. Maybe a white (or another black person other than Floyd, or even a brown person) in Floyd's situation would have simply got in the squad car when asked and not made an issue about it - and not gotten killed [note: I'm not at all saying what happened to him was justified]. It's not a made up thing about how the 'liberal' narrative has abandoned reason. Most of TDH's critics are acting like trial lawyers (though not very skillfully) in their attempts to refute TDH's points. Trials are decided by judges and juries who are supposed to be unbiased, unlike the way so many go after TDH on this. Unlike courts (which are far from perfect) politics is the Wild West; the arbiters are the voters, who get swayed by appeals to prejudice all the time. I would add, that it might be better if people weren't categorized by race so often as if all blacks or whites or other colors weren't looked at as if they formed a monolithic bloc.

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    4. Mao, David, and AC/ MA,
      Just a quick reminder, in case you forgot: Black Lives Matter.

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    5. thanks for proving my point.

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    6. AC/MA

      Your Gish gallop aside...

      I think you are confused - when you think liberals have abandoned reason, that does not mean liberals are doing something wrong, it just means you are not a liberal. You belong to a different tribe, I say good riddance.

      MSM is no longer really mainstream - they are just corporate, as new media accumulatively attracts a larger audience and has greater influence.

      I am not aware that "Black" is capitalized when other "races" are not, but even so, so what (btw the first letter in a sentence is typically upper case). What an incredibly childish concern.

      Brown people are usually latin X or mixed, also pacific islander, native american, etc.

      Adversarial arguments are over-rated, but do as you please.

      Yes, cops are more suspicious of men, a rather trivial notion; however, black women are also much more likely to be killed by cops than white women.

      People killed by cops are not killed in the act of murder, so the proportional murder rate is not meaningful. The 5 times rate is based on arrests, it is unsurprising that blacks are arrested at a higher rate, this actually indicates a racial issue.

      Blacks commit 23% of violent crimes, whites commit 44% of violent crimes - proportionally blacks do commit a somewhat higher amount of violent crime, but again, unless you buy into the genetics argument, this indicates an issue of racism. Furthermore a study has shown there is no correlation between the locations of police shootings and the crime rates of those areas.

      Interestingly, the rate of white on white crime is 12/1000, black on white crime is 3.1/1000.

      There is not much data on how deferential different races are to cops, but anecdotally whites are able to be disrespectful to cops with little consequence as compared to blacks, there are tons of videos of this on youtube. Additionally cops are more likely to be biased to see blacks as being disrespectful or threatening regardless of their behavior, again this indicates a racial issue.

      There is no liberal narrative, TDH's efforts to suggest one is an example of abandoning reason. There is a corporate media narrative, it is not significant for liberals, it is for conservatives.

      TDH's posts are often well refuted, his influence is nonexistent. Liberals, particularly progressives, are achieving more with their movement now than in decades - this drives Somerby nuts.

      Cops are the 9th leading cause of death for teenage black males. Overall blacks are 2.7 times more likely to be killed by cops than whites, but in some cities it is as high as 6.5 times more likely. The disparity is even worse when considering unarmed victims of cop killings.

      Blacks are more likely to be searched for drugs even though searches find drugs more often on whites. Blacks are more likely to be arrested for drugs even though whites use drugs at the same rate. Polls show blacks feel more harassed and oppressed by cops than whites, and that black cops agree (white cops do not). Study after study shows that indeed blacks are more harassed by cops than whites, by a wide margin they are pulled over more, searched more, given more citations, given worse sentences, etc. The racism is systemic, and frankly it is obvious.

      Police as an institution produces outcomes that are racially disparate. There is a reason for that and putting the blame on blacks, denying racism, does nothing to solve the issue, it just assuages the sensitive ego of certain whites. All whites do not have to take blame for this, but they should take responsibility.

      Race is not the only concern about our police force; racial categories shall only exist as long as racism does. It would be better if people weren't racist so often.

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    7. Just when the Democrats were so close to getting AC/ MA's vote.
      LOL.

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    8. anon 7:34 - Hey, I'm a registered democrat - have been for decades. I didn't vote for Trump, and won't this time. I've virtually never voted for a Republican. You're still proving my point. You're not making any effort to be objective. Your taking a hodgepodge of conclusory or speculative statements to advance the conclusion you want, without fairly considering counter-facts. I don't know where you get your statistics. You acknowledge that blacks commit [disproportionately] more violent crime [I suggest most of it toward other blacks] - but then conclude somehow that "this is an issue of racism." So when blacks kill other blacks they have a good excuse? You state that being killed by police is the 9th leading cause of death of black teenagers. Where on the list of causes is being killed by another black person? Each incident is distinct. It's a complex situation. There is racism, biases, prejudices, stereotyping and there are plenty of arguments to be made, though cops killing blacks seems hardly the best evidence of a 'racism' problem, since the incidents are relatively rare; spatially apart; occur under varying circumstances; each incident needs to be fairly judged on its specific circumstances; and the fact that whites do get killed numerically more often, though not proportionately - just like it's the other way around with violent crime.

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    9. "I didn't vote for Trump, and won't this time."

      If you vote in Maskachusetts, it makes no difference who you vote for, for president.

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    10. You could say that in any election where the margin of victory is 2 or more, I suppose

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    11. In a sense it's true. Moreover: a single vote never counts at all.

      But that's not what I was trying to convey. There are only few US states, and Massachusetts is one them, that have been under total control of the same clique for decades. Most states do have at least some competition.

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    12. AC/MA you are not a liberal. There is nothing wrong with that.

      Crime is largely a function of poverty, black poverty is largely the result of racism.

      The number of black teens being killed by any other person other than cops is too small to even make the list. The top 15 are health-related except for #9 - cops.

      Whites should not be unjustifiably killed by cops either; however, the occurrence is 2.7 times less, and the reason is not racism.

      It is not just shootings, studies show blacks suffer from various types of harassment that whites do not experience to anything close to the same degree.

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    13. "Crime is largely a function of poverty"

      Oh. So, it's not about the police, after all, dear dembot?

      It's about poverty. And defunding the police will, obviously, eliminate the poverty. Is that it?

      Also, you only care about "black poverty"; that thing is horribly unjust, while all other cases of poverty are well deserved - do I get this right?

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  4. “Does this disproportionate coverage possibly constitute a problem? More specifically, is it possible that misperceptions arise from such disproportionate coverage—“

    First of all, the Timpa incident was reported a year ago in the Washington Post and the New York Times after the body cam footage was released.

    The reaction from ordinary citizens was...not much. One of the reasons that the death of George Floyd got lots of coverage was because it sparked massive nationwide protests.

    Farley quotes Glenn Beck, who claims that the Timpa incident shows that BLM is founded upon the lie that policing is inherently racist. One can debate the idea that a white man being killed in a somewhat similar way to a black man or that more whites are killed by police than blacks proves there is no racism. But at least Beck’s criticism is clear.

    Somerby, on the other hand, while deeming BLM protests perfectly appropriate, simultaneously claims that the media is feeding a misperception.

    What is that misperception? Is BLM, whose protests are perfectly appropriate, also subject to that misperception when they claim there is racism in policing and in the legal system? That sounds very much like saying that BLM is based on a lie.

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    1. BLM can protest if they want. However, they are silent when African Americans kill other African Americans, including small children.
      They are only upset if someone was killed in a confrontation with the police.

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    2. 12:46
      They have chosen to focus specifically on the conduct of police and the legal system. That is a significant problem, in their view.

      It doesn’t mean that they aren’t upset about other killings.

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    3. The protest over BLM protests is largely because BLM protests are effective. Do the protests make you uncomfortable? Good!

      African Americans that kill other African Americans are punished, police brutality is rarely punished.

      Beyond that striking difference, black people do work to reduce crime in their communities with little to no help from anyone else. Except for George Zimmerman of course. Thanks George!

      Black on black crime rate is about 37% higher than white on white crime, although it is lower than white on white crime in absolute numbers. What explains the disparity? Blacks are an inferior race?

      FUCK YOU

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  5. If it weren’t for BLM, it is likely that none of these incidents would be getting much attention.

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  6. Good point. Even better would be if all such incidents were given attention all across the media, with appropriate, not exclusive emphasis on the disproportionate numbers of people of color killed AND injured. We have a policing problem, plain and simple, and a cultural/social tendency to resort to excessively violent "solutions" to all our problems, real and perceived.

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  7. Does the media determine what people care about, or does it reflect what people care about?

    I vote for the latter but Somerby seems to think it is the former.

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    1. Somerby also seems to think his views are Very Important.

      Brother, please.

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  13. I want to testify on how I got cured from Herpes. I have been living with this disease for the past 11 months, i have done all i can to cure this disease but all my efforts proved abortive until i met an old friend of mine who told me about a herbal doctor called Dr Oniha, she told me that Dr Oniha have cure for all kinds of diseases, though i never believed in it because my believe was that there is no cure for Herpes disease. But I decided to give it a try when I contacted Dr Oniha, he told me he has a cure for herpes that he cured with herbal medicine. I order for the herbal medicine, which Dr Oniha sent to me through a courier service which i make use of and now behold the herpes is gone and i now have my life back,if you are out there living with this disease i will like you to also contact Dr Oniha and get this disease cured out of your body. I am a living testimony of Dr Oniha herbal cure. Thanks once again Dr Oniha for you are God sent. contact Dr oniha through his contact information.
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    From the bottom of my heart, I can never thank you enough DR.BALBOSA for the wonderful work you did for me and my kids to bring back my husband. Am stella Andre from England. I was having serious relationship problems with my husband and he was no longer committed to me and our kids, when i asked him what the problem was he told me he has fell out of love for me and wanted a divorce and  i was so heart broken, i cried all day and night, it had resulted in him moving out to his friend’s apartment. Everything got worse because he started going to bars and strip clubs frequently with his friend, getting drunk and passing out. He always threatens me on the phone whenever I call him because of all the bad advice that his friend has given him. I really love him and we had been married for 8 years which gave us a beautiful daughter and a son. I had also lost a lot of money on therapists until I was introduced to DR. BALBOSA by a friend whom he helped to marry her childhood boyfriend, this gave me total confidence and strength to get him back. I did all that DR. BALBOSA asked me to do it and I also followed all instructions given to me by DR. BALBOSA to my greatest surprise after 48 hours my husband called me and rushed back home with a brown new car for me and our kids... things just changed between us emotionally, I was the happiest woman on earth that day. my husband now has a good job and stopped drinking and he stopped keeping irrelevant friends. It’s a miracle I never believed was possible because I had lost all hope until I found DR. BALBOSA...contact him today and get your love back i can assure you .... contact him on his Email on: balbosasolutionhome@gmail.com and CALL/ WHATSAPP: +2347048047728...BYE... 





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    From the bottom of my heart, I can never thank you enough DR.BALBOSA for the wonderful work you did for me and my kids to bring back my husband. Am stella Andre from England. I was having serious relationship problems with my husband and he was no longer committed to me and our kids, when i asked him what the problem was he told me he has fell out of love for me and wanted a divorce and  i was so heart broken, i cried all day and night, it had resulted in him moving out to his friend’s apartment. Everything got worse because he started going to bars and strip clubs frequently with his friend, getting drunk and passing out. He always threatens me on the phone whenever I call him because of all the bad advice that his friend has given him. I really love him and we had been married for 8 years which gave us a beautiful daughter and a son. I had also lost a lot of money on therapists until I was introduced to DR. BALBOSA by a friend whom he helped to marry her childhood boyfriend, this gave me total confidence and strength to get him back. I did all that DR. BALBOSA asked me to do it and I also followed all instructions given to me by DR. BALBOSA to my greatest surprise after 48 hours my husband called me and rushed back home with a brown new car for me and our kids... things just changed between us emotionally, I was the happiest woman on earth that day. my husband now has a good job and stopped drinking and he stopped keeping irrelevant friends. It’s a miracle I never believed was possible because I had lost all hope until I found DR. BALBOSA...contact him today and get your love back i can assure you .... contact him on his Email on: balbosasolutionhome@gmail.com and CALL/ WHATSAPP: +2347048047728...BYE... 

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