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SATURDAY, JULY 11, 2020

Should Roger Stone go to jail?:
For our money, Colbert King's new column is more significant (see below).

That said, a different question dominated anti-Trump cable last night: Should Roger Stone go to prison?

For ourselves, we'd like to see fewer people in prison. We'd like to see fewer arrests.

Something else is true. You're allowed to hear it in this context, but only if you watch Fox:

Due to the virus, many others are being released from prison even as we speak. Even as the nationwide average daily death count rose again yesterday.

None of this tells us whether Stone should have gone to prison next week. Roger Stone has always been nuts. But should he be going to jail?

Last night, Brian Williams asked Frank Figliuzzi a version of that question. If the transcript ever shows up, it will show up here.

Figliuzzi has been one of the best of the many former prosecutors and law enforcement officials seen on cable in recent years. We were struck by several aspects of his answer to Williams:
FIGLIUZZI (7/10/20): Lest anyone feel any sympathy for this man, let's just spend a minute recalling what he was convicted of, and why the president had to commute his sentence.

Roger Stone tried to subvert, undermine our presidential election system. And he did so in concert with two foreign entities, namely, there's evidence indicating that he was the intermediary between the Russian intelligence unit known as Guccifer and the Wikileaks organization.

And I'll point to federal court testimony by Rick Gates, the former deputy chairman of the Trump 2016 campaign, who said in court, I was riding in a Chevy Suburban with Trump to LaGuardia Airport. Trump took a call from Roger Stone. They appeared to talk about Wikileaks and the release of the hacked material from the DNC.

When Trump ended the call, he turned to Gates and said, They're going to release more information.

This is why Trump had to commute Roger Stone. Roger Stone can put Donald Trump in federal prison for lying. Lying when? Lying in his written responses to the special counsel when the president told Robert Mueller, I never heard about Roger Stone talking to anybody about the timing or the release of the hacked DNC/Clinton material.
First, a point of clarification:

We assume Figliuzzi meant that Stone was the intermediary between Guccifer and the Trump campaign, and also between Wikileaks and the Trump campaign. We assume he didn't mean that Stone was the intermediary between Guccifer and Wikileaks.

Now to the basic assertions by Figliuzzi, an extremely respectable figure:

We'll admit that we were initially struck by the word "appeared." It appeared to Gates, a less than fully reliable figure who was looking for a break from prosecutors, that Trump had spoken to Stone about the release of the hacked material?

A jury, of course, convicted Stone on seven counts on the basis of the evidence it was offered at trial. That said, we were struck by the idea that this was the strongest evidence showing that Stone should be going to prison.

Beyond that, we were struck by the claim that Stone had subverted the election system—even that he'd been convicted for doing that.

For the record, Stone wasn't convicted of subverting or undermining our election system. He was convicted on six counts of testifying falsely and on one count of witness tampering.

Would Stone have been "subverting our system" if he merely told Trump that more emails were going to be released?

That strikes us as a vast overstatement, especially coming from within the mainstream press corps, which pleasured itself so dumbly and so irresponsibly by mugging and clowning with the stolen emails while pretending that they were significant. They can play reindeer games with the emails. Stone can't even mention them!

Could Stone send Donald J. Trump to prison? Before Trump's massive derangement helped mire this nation in the ongoing pandemic, two of our cable news channels ran on such fever dreams for the bulk of two years.

Figliuzzi has been one of the most respectable, and most intelligent, of these many dreamers. For ourselves, we favor seeing fewer people in prison, and we favor something else, although it will never occur:

We favor people like Williams reporting the various ways his ridiculous guild slandered Candidate Clinton for decades, eventually sending Candidate Trump to the White House.

That dream will never be realized, of course. But it isn't a fever dream.

Cable pundits were very upset about the commutation. William Barr even got in the act. On Thursday, he said the prosecution was righteous and the sentence was fair.

We're not even saying that's wrong. Stone has been crazy for years.

At any rate, everyone was upset by the commutation. That said, before the commutation was announced, the gang was having some good solid fun with Trump's recent ridiculous statement about the unbelievable way he aced the cognitive test.

On Deadline White House, Wallace and Heilemann even seemed to pretend that this was some sort of new revelation. It fell to the Post's Ashley Parker to remind them that this ridiculous episode was reported and discussed long ago.

As you can see through the link below, the pundits were having some fun with that. In his new column in the Washington Post, Colbert King reminds us of a topic they weren't talking about.

He reminds us of a topic they won't be talking about. Her reminds us of a topic they don't seem to care about.

Liberal cable doesn't seem to care a great deal about kids like Davon McNeal, Makiyah Wilson and Karon Brown, or about the various systems which haven't been able to protect them. Such kids don't get discussed on our favorite TV shows.

They do get discussed in Colbert King's columns, and it happens again today. Along the way, King even sends a poison pen letter to his own upper-end guild:
KING (7/11/20): We ended 2019 with a decade-high number of homicides [in Washington, D.C.]. With 94 people killed in the city thus far this year, we are on pace to top last year’s 166 killings.

Yes, the novel coronavirus is crippling the country. Yes, there are Black Lives Matter protests. And, yes, there are those “race and reckoning” stories being churned out nonstop by a guilt-stricken, algorithm-driven media.

But there are people in this city shattered by crime who don’t make the front page or lead the nightly news.
Hundreds of children who are trying to cope with the trauma and pain of growing up in violence-filled neighborhoods. Girls and boys who put on brave faces but are scared to death of going to and from school or out to play where crime has taken hold and won’t go away.
Oof. According to King, the upper-end press corps is "churning out nonstop stories" about "race and reckoning."

They're doing so, this ranking guild member says, because they're guilt-stricken, but also because they're algorithm-driven.

That seems to mean that they're doing so in something resembling bad faith. We've had the same impression ourselves. We've suggested that possibility here.

Yesterday, Nicolle and John wanted to laugh and play and talk about Trump's latest ridiculous statement—his ridiculous statement about the cognitive test he aced. Yesterday afternoon, they were having some good fun with that.

(Click here, move ahead to the 7:40 mark.)

They weren't discussing the lives and the interests of the children King names in his column. As for King's newspaper, it publishes "algorithm driven" material of this type, letting readers think that the Post is discussing the educational interests of black and Hispanic kids.

(That wasn't the reporter's fault; she's in her first year out of college. Does the Post have any experienced reporters who deal with subjects like this?)

Watching cable in recent years. we've learned at least one thing. Former federal prosecutors love to discuss the endless ways they can get people locked up.

Also, people like Wallace and Heilemann like to laugh and play. They just don't seem to spend much time on kids like Davon McNeal.

People do hear about those kids on the Fox News Channel. Such reports may be accompanied by crazy assessments—much more so from Tucker Carlson than from Laura Ingraham.

But viewers do hear about those kids. On our channels, the algorithms don't seem to take us there.

We'd like to hear more about those kids—about their safety. about their schooling, about the systems which aren't protecting them. We'd like to hear how good they are—but on cable, those kids don't count.

We've been telling you this for years. No, it's not going to change.

66 comments:

  1. So, is "algorithm-driven" the new euphemism for dembottery, endless parroting of your liberal-hitlerian talking points, dear Bob?

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  2. "For ourselves, we'd like to see fewer people in prison. We'd like to see fewer arrests."

    For ourselves we'd like to see fewer people committing crimes. We'd like to see fewer injuries done to others.

    Roger Stone is a particularly awful person. Why should Somerby think that this man should be permitted to act with impunity, getting away with crimes that others have been punished for?

    Somerby frequently says he doesn't like to see people arrested and locked up, but what alternative has he ever proposed? Without some alternative, he is merely suggesting that wrongdoers be left free and that is unacceptable. Roger Stone has done a lot of damage to our democracy. Does that mean nothing to Somerby? Is it not worth protecting?

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    1. Would it be better if Bob said he was uncomfortable with mass incarceration?

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    2. They didn't have incarceration back in Great Britain in the 1700's. A thief would have his hand cut off. A petty thief would be branded in a visible place. Someone committing a more serious crime would be transported to forced labor in Australia or the American colonies, if he or she were lucky, otherwise hanged. Only those awaiting trial were held in prison. Your degree of comfort awaiting trial depended on how much money your relatives could pay to jailers. It wasn't seen as punishment but as a holding pen.

      Is this what Somerby thinks we should do with those arrested? As I said, he doesn't say. But reducing mass incarceration as the British and other countries did it, doesn't seem like a good alternative, nor does letting crooks run free to commit more crimes.

      Perhaps Trump let Stone loose because he needs him to save his reelection campaign. He may be that desperate.

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  3. "Roger Stone has always been nuts."

    Does that excuse him? Is he to be pitied along with Trump, even though he has been so destructive? Are nuts people allowed to collude with Russia and sell out their own country?

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    1. No one colluded with Russia though. That's where your argument falls apart.

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    2. Who do you think Guccifer is?

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    3. He is a Romanian hacker. Not involved in this case. You're thinking of Guccifer 2.0.

      But there was no collusion. It was never proved. It was always a silly accusation.

      Watch Assange interviews addressing the Stone matter.

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    4. @@ 2:18 & 3:26: another driveby Horeshoe-Theory troll still butthurt about the primaries.

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    5. 3:35 that may be but it avoids the point. There was never any collusion proven.

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    6. https://youtu.be/lNdG6iE4a84?t=150

      Assange lays it all down for you here if you want to know the truth.

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    7. Johnson: another internet commenter who falsely believes there was collusion and can never produce any evidence of collusion.

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    8. Some of the collusion was done out in the open.

      Yes there was collusion, yes Russia got what it wanted, sanctions continue to not be enforced, Trump has deferred to Russia on almost every issue they wanted, Rosneft was able to sell off 19.5% of the company (that .5% may prove interesting).

      Read the Mueller indictment and the whole chapter of the Mueller Report that covered conspiracy. Mueller found collusion, but due to the cover up, could not uncover enough conspiracy to be criminal. There was no formal agreement, like a signed contract, for Russia to interfere in the election on Trump's behalf. It is risible to think that this is what is required to show corruption; Mueller is a life long Republican, I doubt he looked as vigorously as was warranted.

      Russia reached out to Trump and his campaign to help in his election, and Trump was receptive and encouraged his campaign to work with the Russians. Manafort and Gates provided polling to Russia and worked to have a Russia-directed Ukraine policy, Trump asked Russia to find Clinton's emails, Trump told Flynn to find the emails by contacting who he thought was a Russian agent, Papadopoulos worked to have private meetings between Trump and Putin, DT Jr had a meeting to get dirt on Clinton from Russia, etc.

      Assange lied about his contact with Stone, they are both about as reliable as a Yugo (or Zaz 968).

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    9. "Mueller found collusion"

      What page of the report?

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    10. You provide not one source for any of your claims.

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    11. I provided two, but google will find you many.

      The Mueller indictment, and one whole chapter of the two chapter Mueller Report is dedicated to providing evidence of collusion. Not a page, a chapter.

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    12. What Chapter??? What pages?? You will not provide those answers because you can't. Because there was not collusion found, not evidence of any conspiracy found in the whole report. Show me where if it is!!

      You can't and won't because it's not there.

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    13. Show me the exact pages where there is proof of collusion. There isn't any. You're 100% wrong.

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    14. Page one of the report:

      "the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

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    15. You can not provide any proof because there isn't any. That's why your original argument is wrong.

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    16. 8:31 says
      "Mueller found collusion"
      and then cites
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      evidence supporting the claim.

      The Mueller report directly refutes the claim on page 1.

      "the investigation
      did not establish that members of the
      Trump Campaign
      conspired or coordinated
      with
      the
      Russian government
      in its election interference activities."

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    17. The Mueller Report dedicated an entire chapter (Volume I) to providing evidence of collusion. Conspiracy is a legal term, collusion is not. Mueller said he could not find enough evidence of criminal conspiracy (basically he would have needed to find an actual agreement, that is not how these things are done). With respect to not finding conspiracy but finding evidence of collusion, Muller says: “A statement that the investigation did not establish particular facts does not mean there was no evidence of those facts.” All the points I brought up are from the Mueller Report chapter, they are spread over many pages because there is a lot of evidence. Read the report and you will see. They were all reported in the press.

      The Mueller report’s collusion section is much worse than you think

      Of course Trump's campaign colluded with Russia. But unfortunately that's not a crime

      Just reading the Table of Contents - Volume I makes it clear, but actually reading the sections leaves no doubt.

      Mueller Report

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    18. Mueller Report Page 1:

      "the
      investigation
      did not establish that members of the
      Trump Campaign
      conspired or coordinated
      with the
      Russian government
      in its election interference activities."

      case closed

      you are in dreamland

      what evidence????

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    19. Imbecile: From that article you cited:

      "The report is very clear that Mueller’s investigation did not establish that the Trump campaign criminally conspired on illegal Russian election interference, or that it coordinated with Russia through either an active or tacit agreement."

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    20. "They were all reported in the press."

      The press was wrong about them all.

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    21. The evidence is detailed in the report you have not read. The articles go over that, the press was not wrong, it is all in the Mueller Report.

      Again, there is no argument that Mueller did not find criminal conspiracy; he is a lifelong Republican, expecting him to be thorough was always a nonsensical gamble.

      Mueller did find evidence for collusion and he spent a whole volume detailing that. It is fine to cling to your no criminal conspiracy, but there was indeed collusion, which was indeed corrupt. You may not be bothered by this corruption, sad as it is, it is your right. I find Trump's corruption dangerous. At any rate, it is trivial to say there was collusion.

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    22. To be fair Mueller did find evidence of conspiracy but it did not rise to the level of being criminal to him personally. Others have debated otherwise. It is an open question. Republicans are demagogues so we will likely never know what legal action could be justified. That said, the corruption is there and only a fool would ignore it. Don't be foolish.

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    23. You're an imbecile. Mueller "found evidence for collusion ". What evidence?? Name one piece of evidence. The Trump Tower meeting arranged by a British music publicist???

      Name one piece of evidence of collusion Mueller found in the report, stupid fool.

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    24. To be clear - you have not cited one piece of evidence of collusion.

      You can't because there isn't any. Of course.

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    25. I named several, you claimed they were false, yet they all come from the Mueller Report, which you never read.

      You argue in bad faith.

      Trump and his campaign did collude in a corrupt manner. You are welcome to not be bothered by this corruption. You seem to want me to give approbation of your ignorance of corruption, and in this you are perfectly aligned with Trump and Republicans, but it is nonsense. Corruption is bad for society and should be checked.


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  4. Today Somerby argues that the evidence condemning Stone is flimsy, based on an unreliable Gates and the word "appeared", and he argues that being convicted of multiple counts of lying and obstruction is somehow not a real crime:

    "For the record, Stone wasn't convicted of subverting or undermining our election system. He was convicted on six counts of testifying falsely and on one count of witness tampering."

    Oh, well in that case, lets just let the guy go, we are supposed to say.

    Somerby's sympathies are clear and he is hinting that liberals are making a big deal out of nothing when they feel outraged about Stone's reprieve.

    Why feels that way and who argues that way? Not liberals. This is conservative talk. Liberals understand Stone's role in politics and putting Trump in office -- Trump, who is now responsible for many deaths, not just ruining our nation's standing in the world.

    How much more evidence does anyone here need that Somerby is no liberal?

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    1. Does "proving" Somerby is "no liberal" prove that Somerby is wrong? If you think he's wrong, make your case without resorting to labeling. Leave the label-maker in the envelope drawer where it belongs.

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    2. Somerby persists in labeling himself liberal when he is clearly not. When he stops doing that, I will stop complaining.

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    3. Indeed, if Somerby were to admit that he's a malevolent Trumptard, I'd leave this blog to rot in his own feces with Mao and the like. He persists in calling himself a liberal.

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    4. How wonderful to know that you, Centrist, are motivated by only the purest of intentions.

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    5. anon @ 3:55 pm

      Complain away, if that's all you've got to offer. I can complain too. Gee, it's so hot! My neighbor's TV is too loud! Deadrat is a bully! Mao is an obnoxious troll (and soooo repetitive)! Why is dinner late! Oh, you mean, people can do more than complain? They can offer constructive criticism? Make reasoned arguments? The heck with that! I'm here to complain and I'm proud of it. Next?

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    6. Anon 4:40, my intentions are strictly honorable. I am a Centrist, but I'm willing to make common cause with liberals, centrists and even principled conservatives in voting out Trump, who I believe represents a unique threat to the Republic.

      Since Somerby's goal seems to be to attack liberals, defend DJT, concern troll, approve of Fox News, defend Roy Moore, Barr, Ron Johnson etc., he is clearly no liberal, but a malevolent Trumptard whose goal is to re-elect Trump.

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    7. Ah yes, when you've got nothing to say, just keep saying the same thing over and over again. (Oh wait, that's Propaganda 101.)

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    8. Anon 9:18, a very succinnt description of TDH's Trumptardisms ..

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  5. "Stone has been crazy for years."

    Nice, dear Bob. Real nice.

    And you and your zombie cult characters: maniacal Schiff and Nadler, kneeling halloween characters Pelosi and Schumer, All your zombie media dembots, your zombie cult's certifiable militants, declaring that 2x2=4 is a form WHITE SUPREMACY - they all (including you) are, obviously, perfectly normal, rational creatures.

    Thanks for the laughs, dear Bob.

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    1. Speaking of cults:

      https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/07/10/st-petersburgs-june-deaths-reach-decade-high-a70837

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    2. What's a "themos cow?" do you mean "thermos" cow?

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  6. 'But viewers do hear about those kids. On our channels, the algorithms don't seem to take us there.'

    Somerby's channel is OANN, the channel of malevolent Trumptards/Trump worshippers

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    1. Don't you mean Onan, as in Onanism -- about which I imagine you know a great deal.

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    2. Well, since Trumptards like TDH and their defenders get an equivalent effect from watching their Orange Messiah on OANN, they don't need another such channel.

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    3. Actually I think he is single handedly keeping MSNBC afloat. Liberals and progressives do not watch MSNBC, it is a channel for neoliberal corporatists.

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  7. "For ourselves, we'd like to see fewer people in prison. We'd like to see fewer arrests."

    It is entirely possible to believe that we need fewer people in prison, but that political interference to keep people connected to political leaders out of prison is an egregious abuse.

    Somerby's brain (using the term loosely) is clearly incapable of grasping such a distinction, since it's full of the following primitive thoughts
    1) Smash Liberals
    2) Worship Donald Trump
    3) Defend DJT, Roy Moore, Zimmerman, Brock Turner

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  8. what's this now centrist? TDH "worships" trump, and not only that, he also "defends" him? Ok, I see the difference, he defends Roy Moore, but doesnt "worship" him. got it. You make good points.Could someone finally please expel TDH from the Liberal club?

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    1. Explain your political views.

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    2. Mainly, to keep the ship from sinking.

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    3. State your political stance. What is with the coy dance?

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    4. Anon 10:09 - I'm a registered democrat for 50 years, ok. What's my stance about what? too open ended a question. What's your "political stance?"

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    5. I'm not Anon 10:09, but my political stance is anti Trump Centrist. In order to ensure the defeat of this unique threat to the Republic, I'll join hands with liberals, moderates, even principles conservatives, maybe even neoliberals (whatever that means). After Trump is gone, we can debate policy differences.

      The corollary is that I despise malevolent Trumptards like Somerby whose sole goal seems to be to defend Trump, Roy Moore, Barr. When not concern trolling and attacking liberals. Somerby is now repeating Fox talking points -- it seems he's getting desperate as his messiah falls further behind.

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    6. The Democratic party is made of neoliberals and progressives, broadly-speaking. There are pro corportist dems and there are pro labor dems. Pro labor dems also tend to be supportive of social justice. If you are worried about polarization, cancel culture, identity politics, crime particularly black crime, pronouns, political correctness, etc, you are effectively a Republican.

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    7. Somerby's main worry seems to be that Trump will lose re-election (which seems increasingly likely), as one would expect for a Trumptard.

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  9. AC/MA -- you said it, not me.

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  10. King’s topic is worthwhile.

    My objection to his column is that he seems to adopt a pose of concern.

    He laments that there are no Frederick Douglasses to take up the cause of these murdered kids. Apparently, he has ruled himself out of contention as the next Frederick Douglass, preferring a comfortable, high-paid position as a columnist for the Washington Past all these years. No—he wants someone else to fill that role.

    But in making this plea, King ignores all of the people and organizations working diligently every day, and sometimes risking their lives, in DC in those crime-ridden areas to try to help. (A simple google search brings up numerous examples, including reports in King’s own paper that King never mentions). Surely King is aware of some of the people and organizations in the DC area that are involved in these efforts. If he does know, he doesn’t say a word about them. And he has an important platform from which to acknowledge these people and their efforts.

    Are they “Frederick Douglasses?” Who knows? Douglass was an exceptional human being. Most of us can’t fill his shoes. So that’s an empty rhetorical cri de coeur from King.

    He reminds me a bit of Somerby. He writes something sort of commendable, but then says “won’t somebody else discuss this and fix it?” Except that King has a very prominent platform to acknowledge the people who are putting forward solutions and trying to help. But it’s much easier to sit in magisterial judgment of “the media”, while being part of it.

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