JOURNALISM OF THE SAINTS: Lowery cites death of Michael Brown!

THURSDAY, JULY 2, 2020

What he reported back then:
Should journalists try to tell us the truth about some issue or topic—as much of "the whole truth" as is relevant and manageable?

Or should they possibly tell us a story—a story which has perhaps been designed to affect our views and opinions about some point of concern?

In our view, the question arises when you read Wesley Lowery's recent essay in The Atlantic.

Right at the start of his essay, Lowery describes three police shootings in Minnesota in the year 2015. These shootings were part of a "gruesome cycle," Atlantic readers were told told as the essay began:
MINNEAPOLIS—Miski Noor watched just the first minute of the video of George Floyd’s killing before closing the tab and walking the two blocks to join the protests already forming at the scene. The days since have been filled with a maddening sense of déjà vu.

Noor had joined the Movement for Black Lives in 2014, after the fatal police shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri. The 34-year-old activist’s first protest was that December, a demonstration that shut down the Mall of America during the peak of the holiday shopping season.

Noor soon became intimately familiar with the gruesome cycle: The police killed someone. Activists protested. Small reforms were won. The police killed someone else.

In Minnesota, St. Paul police killed Philip Quinn, a Native American man in the midst of a mental-health crisis, in September 2015. One week later, a Kanabec County Sheriff’s deputy killed Robert Christen, a white former fullback for the Wisconsin Badgers who was enduring a mental-health crisis of his own.* Two months after that, in November 2015, Minneapolis police killed Jamar Clark, a 24-year-old unarmed black man. Hundreds poured into the streets.
The shootings of Quinn, Christen and Clark were part of a "gruesome cycle," Atlantic readers were told. Indeed, in the aftermath of the shooting of Clark, "Hundreds poured into the streets."

In this way, Lowery's self-described "story" began. But in what way did those three deaths constitute a "gruesome cycle?"

Also, why were those hundreds of people in the streets? Assuming that they were protesting the conduct of "Minneapolis police," was their protest well-founded?

Lowery never addresses these questions. Before long, his basic thesis has come into view:

"Black men and women are still dying across the country as police unions continue to codify policies designed solely to shield their officers from accountability," Lowery writes. That, of course, is certainly true, though it's also true that it doesn't speak to the questions we've asked.

Briefly, let's return to the shooting death of Christen—one part of the "gruesome cycle" Lowery describes as he starts.

Presumably, it would be a better world if no one was ever shot and killed in an encounter with a police officer. In this case, local reporting made it clear that Christen's death occurred as part of a terrible mental health breakdown.

That said, did the police officer whose affiliation Lowery misstated do something wrong in the shooting of the man whose name Lowery misspelled? Everyone, including Christen's parents, seems to agree on what happened:

On the evening in question, a former Big Ten fullback bullrushed a female sheriff's deputy who had arrived at the scene of a potential crime. The deputy was all that stood between Christen and his former girlfriend, who Christen had said he was planning to kill.

When Christen attacked the female deputy on his way into the former girl friend's house, the female deputy shot him. It would of course be a better world if none of this had ever occurred, but did the deputy misbehave in some way on that tragic night?

Lowery never explains. He simply continues to tell his "story," perhaps conveying a certain impression about this unfortunate set of events.

What made the cycle a "gruesome" cycle? In the manner of the saints, Lowery offered this overall picture:

First, "the police" kill someone, he says. After that, they kill someone else. Full stop!

That recitation conveys a fairly obvious picture. That said, should the female deputy who was bullrushed by the Big Ten fullback be summarized in that way?

Even Christen's mother says the deputy did nothing wrong! But when the saints start to engineer revolution, the saints may not tell it that way.

It's true, of course, that "black men and women are still dying across the country" in encounters with police. As we noted yesterday, police officers in Minnesota have shot and killed ten black people since the start of 2015.

In the realm of ideal forms, that would be ten too many. For ourselves, we'd much prefer that police officers never shot and killed anyone.

That said, it's also true that police officers in Minnesota have shot and killed 37 "white" people (including Christen) over that same period, perhaps recalling Professor Cobb's recent statement on cable TV.

(More on that topic tomorrow.)

In our view, Lowery's essay represents the sort of work which may result when the saints start providing our journalism. Because the saints are fashioning revolution, they may feel that they understand what facts should appear in a given "story" and which facts should perhaps disappear.

At any rate, Lowery never explained why that deputy's conduct that night was part of a "gruesome cycle." Should hundreds of people been in the streets because of what she did?

We were struck by what we found when we explored the background of the three events which comprised Lowery's gruesome cycle. Undesirable though each event may have been, did any of those events involve misconduct by an officer?

Lowery never addressed that question. Instead, he let an impression stand, with The Atlantic cheering him on.

Tomorrow, we'll look at Lowery's essay in last weekend's Sunday Review. In our view, the essay was very poor work. For that reason, it appeared in the Sunday Times.

For today, we wanted to call your attention to one other part of the way Lowery began his "story." We refer to his reference to the late Michael Brown, right in his second paragraph.

In our view, the world would be a better place if Michael Brown was still alive in it. He may have been having his own mental health crisis on the unfortunate day of his death, not unlike Quinn and Christen.

People having mental health breakdowns may put police officers in extremely difficult situations. This was obviously true in Christen's case. It may have occurred in the case of the late Michael Brown.

That said, we're always struck when journalists like Lowery cite the shooting death of Michael Brown as an example of police misconduct. We say that for the obvious reason:

On March 4, 2015, the Obama/Holder Justice Department released an 86-page report about the death of Brown.

In our view, the world would be a better place if Michael Brown was still in it. But this is the way the Washington Post's Sari Horwitz began her news report that day:
HORWITZ (3/4/15): Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson was justified in shooting Michael Brown, an unarmed black 18-year-old, in Ferguson, Mo., in August because he feared for his life after Brown first tried to grab his gun and then came toward him in a threatening manner, according to a Justice Department report released Wednesday.

“Given that Wilson’s account is corroborated by physical evidence and that his perception of a threat posed by Brown is corroborated by other eyewitnesses . . . there is no credible evidence that Wilson willfully shot Brown as he was attempting to surrender or was otherwise not posing a threat,” officials concluded in the 86-page report. The review explained why the Justice Department will not pursue civil rights charges against Wilson for the fatal shooting.
Say what? According to the Obama Justice Department, the officer's account of what happened had been corroborated by physical evidence and by eyewitnesses?

Later, Attorney General Holder explicitly said that he agreed with the report, which he urged people to read.

Was the officer's conduct that day justified? We bring no expertise of experience to such questions. For ourselves, we'd prefer that police officers throw their guns away and run for their lives when they're being charged by people who are refusing to accept arrest.

That said, we've been told that police departments simply can't function that way.

Horwitz's report was quite straightforward. She flatly said, in her opening sentence, that the DOJ held that the officer's conduct had been justified, though she presented no direct quotation to that effect.

Lowery had "contributed to" that report. But on that some day, Lowery wrote his own brief analysis piece for the Post about the Justice Department report.

In our view, Lowery may have had his thumb on the scales, at least a tad, that day.

He offered a narrower account of what the DOJ had said—"federal investigators opted against charging Ferguson Police officer Darren Wilson with a federal crime." But his brief analysis offered four bullet points, each of which was accompanied by text from the report:
There is not evidence to suggest Darren Wilson’s use of force was unreasonable

Michael Brown likely did reach into Wilson’s vehicle and grab the officer

Michael Brown did double back toward Darren Wilson

Michael Brown’s hands were probably not up, but it’s impossible to say for sure
"There is not evidence to suggest Darren Wilson’s use of force was unreasonable?"

Speaking a clearer version of English, the passage posted by Lowery actually said this:

"The evidence, when viewed as a whole, does not support the conclusion that Wilson's use of deadly force was 'objectively unreasonable' as defined by the United States Supreme Court."

Somewhat similarly, the passage quoted by Lowery affirmatively finds that Brown actually did reach into Wilson's SUV—and it says that, when he did, Brown "punched and grabbed Wilson." Concerning the bullet point about Michael Brown's hands, we'd say that Lowery was giving ground grudgingly.

Offering an instant appraisal, it seems to us that Lowery may have tended to understate the findings he was discussing. But he surely knows what the DOJ concluded about Wilson's actions that day.

Five years later, in The Atlantic, Lowery opened his recent essay by citing the shooting of Michael Brown. Stating the obvious, everyone knows what such a citation is meant to convey at the present time, at least within our tribe.

Way back then, the Justice Department found that the officer's actions in that unfortunate incident were not "objectively unreasonable." (Reasonably enough, Horwitz turned such statements into a finding the the officer's conduct was "justified.")

That's what happened back then. Today, this incident is universally cited, within our tribe though not within theirs, as an example of racist police misconduct.

In the first four paragraphs of Lowery's essay, Brown's unfortunate death was paired with the unfortunate event in which that female deputy stopped a former Big Ten fullback from killing his former girl friend. Shame on that cop for doing that! A rather clear impression is quickly conveyed about all these events.

Did police officers misbehave in the four incidents Lowery cites? Lowery produces no argument or evidence to that effect. He simply hands us a pre-approved story.

Should The Atlantic have published Lowery's essay in the form in which it appeared? In our view, no—it shouldn't have.

Stories are easy; the whole truth is hard. But as we've been noting for 22 years, if it weren't for all the novelized news, we'd often have no news at all.

Tomorrow, we'll revisit what Jelani Cobb said about our numerous police shootings. We'll also recall what a guest on the PBS NewsHour said—a guest who was telling a story.

Story is easy, the real world is hard! We'll also look at Lowery's recent attempt to offer journalistic advice, as published in last Sunday's Times.

High-minded advice can be very easy! That's especially true if you're one of the saints, convinced of your one true perspective.

Tomorrow: "Focus on telling the truth"

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  2. "Should The Atlantic have published Lowery's essay in the form in which it appeared? In our view, no—it shouldn't have."

    There's no other form in which liberal-hitlerian propaganda could appear, dear Bob.

    Any other form would be a form of WHITE SUPREMACY.

    Also, The Atlantic is one of the most nauseating liberal-hitlerian/neocon establishment publications. Why would they want any other form, dear Bob?

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    1. Mao makes a good point -- who is Somerby to say that any journalist cannot express his opinion in the manner in which he chooses? The editors at Atlantic made their decision and they, as publishers, have a first amendment right to print what they choose.

      Should The Atlantic have published Lowery's essay in the form in which it appeared? Yes, if they wanted to. That's how our democracy works -- a variety of opinions SHOULD be heard and debated, not suppressed as Somerby suggests.

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    2. Which point is the good point? That WHITE SUPREMACY, as Mao claims, dictates the form the article takes?

      Somerby isn't saying that the article should be suppressed because of the opinion it expresses, but rather that editors should work with the writer to strengthen the writing, the evidence and argumentation. That's the essence of editing. Suppression occurs when even the strongest evidence is rejected because a magazine objects to a writer's opinion, however well-stated or well-argued. But then there are other venues, so even if the magazine has the "right" to suppress opinions, the writer's write to express those opinions is undiminished.

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    3. Another Somerby whisperer...

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    4. Just because you're hard of reading doesn't mean that someone who explains things to you loud and clear is "whispering."

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    5. A Somerby whisperer is someone who thinks he knows what Somerby is thinking and that he is appointed to translate Somerby for everyone else.

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    6. And we have plenty of examples of such among the Anonymous Ignoramuses, always telling us what Somerby thinks or what his motives are or what he implies or the details of his personal life.

      I just read what Somerby writes. Sometimes I agree with him, and sometimes I don't.

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    7. "AnonymousJuly 2, 2020 at 6:31 PM
      A Somerby whisperer is someone who thinks he knows what Somerby is thinking and that he is appointed to translate Somerby for everyone else."

      That's because they READ him.

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  3. "That said, did the police officer whose affiliation Lowery misstated do something wrong in the shooting of the man whose name Lowery misspelled? "

    Is this Somerby's way of implying that Lowery cannot really care about black lives, if he cannot get the details right?

    If so, that is a shitty way to argue any point and Somerby should be ashamed of himself. How is Lowery to know that details in a previous news report are wrong? Lowery didn't introduce those errors himself. Further, Lowery is a journalist and not a sign-waving demonstrator.

    This is Somerby's version of Trump's refrain about the protesters not even knowing why they are protesting.

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    1. Dumb as it ever was.

      Is this Somerby's way of implying that Lowery cannot really care about black lives, if he cannot get the details right?

      No, it's TDH's way of stating that Lowery can't get the simplest facts straight.

      You know, like you.

      How is Lowery to know that details in a previous news report are wrong?

      By checking his sources. Like a journalist.

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    2. Like TDH gets the details right? His table was missing two days without explanation, a big mistake. Shall I start enumerating his many typos? He can't bother to proofread his writing.

      Lowery corrected his errors. Somerby never corrects his.

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    3. If I agree that TDH is a hypocrite, can we discuss whether he's right or not?

      Really, tu quoque is as weak as it gets.

      Perhaps you're under the impression that because I defend TDH from the more ridiculous of your Anonymous cohort, I have to defend everything he writes.

      TDH fails often when it comes to math, as I think he did with his argument against the Karen epithet. Happy now?

      And typos? I mak those someetimes.

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    4. It proves he's sloppy.

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  4. "Should journalists try to tell us the truth about some issue or topic—as much of "the whole truth" as is relevant and manageable?"

    The truth is a form of WHITE SUPREMACY, dear Bob.

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    1. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
      Mao is losing it, because these protesters are upsetting the status quo Mao's bosses in the establishment spent decades setting up.
      Might be time to get a real job, Mao. I hear Trump's re-election campaign is hiring. Pro tip: Cash the check, before you do the work.

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  5. If there were a single shooting, it might be relevant to argue whether the details justified the killing, but there are many such shootings, sometimes involving trivial crimes or no crime at all. The question is not whether Michael Brown scared the officer into shooting him. It is whether any suspect should be shot over small crimes such as shop lifting, intimidating a store clerk, or jaywalking and back-talking an officer.

    If officers cannot be trained in ways to interact with suspects short of deadly force, then perhaps policing needs to be rethought -- perhaps officers should routinely wear more protective gear, perhaps they should back off and let the suspect go with the intention of picking him up later (with backup). Perhaps a discussion should take place about how to reduce the number of such shootings, regardless of the race of the victim.

    Somerby wants to make this about the details of the case, insisting that the press is portraying the shooting incorrectly, but the bottom line is that Brown is dead for a minor crime. Christen is dead at the hands of a cop too. These are actual deaths. When someone is dead, do the circumstances continue to matter? Not much, in my opinion.

    BLM and similar protests are aiming to reduce the deaths, not the details that Somerby is fixated upon.

    Why does Somerby harp on these details? Does he think that by showing the inaccuracies he will reduce sympathy for the movement itself? Does Somerby think that protesters are wrong to be demanding attention to this as a real problem? If so, he never says so, but his incessant harping on these details suggests he has an ulterior motive. No one can consider these details worth the fuss Somerby keeps making, so why does he do it, without ever expressing sympathy for any victim's family?

    I think he wants to undermine BLM and writers such as Lowery, consistent with the conservative talking point of the day. I think he is supporting the racist line -- those black people deserved their deaths and the kids in the street have no idea what they are doing there, other than to loot and destroy property. Why do I think this? Because Somerby never wants to talk about the issues, he just wants to malign Lowery and liberals and now BLM supporters who do see a cycle of death-protest-minor reform. Can anyone seriously doubt that those deaths are occurring?

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    1. All Somerby is trying to do is to point out that "our side" can play fast and loose with facts, that our favorite media sources can feed us some information and withhold other information, and that we need to be aware that this is the too often flawed process by which our opinions and understandings are formed.

      There's no great mystery about what Somerby is up to, in spite of the tendency on the part of some here to "shoot the messenger" for repeating the message that we should think for ourselves. If we take heed of his warning, there's no reason to believe that the just cause of BLM would be "undermined." Indeed, there's every reason to believe the cause would be strengthened in its appeal to more Americans, even those of a different political outlook. I believe a sound argument based on actual facts -- which in the case of BLM is powerful enough without engaging in selective pleading -- can carry the day in such a way that 75% of Americans can be proud. Naive? We'll see.

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    2. Mistakenly picking up two incorrect details from an article, later corrected, does not constitute playing fast and loose with facts.

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    3. 'There's no great mystery about what Somerby is up to,'

      Indeed, he's attacking liberals (and I should point out here that I'm not even a liberal) because he is a malevolent Trumptard dedicated to re-electing DJT.

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    4. Not a liberal, but obsessed with "Trumptards"? Are you, as your moniker suggests, a centrist? If so, then you have to be the least moderate centrist on earth. No, this makes no sense. You're making shit up. It's a relief to know in a way, because now I'll stop taking anything you say seriously.

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    5. "Indeed, he's attacking liberals (and I should point out here that I'm not even a liberal) because he is a malevolent Trumptard dedicated to re-electing DJT."

      No, he's pointing out how recklessly phony the MSNBC pity-party crowd is.

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  6. "But when the saints start to engineer revolution, the saints may not tell it that way."

    Lowery is one of the saints. This past week, Somerby has referred to the Red Guard and the French Revolution. Now he says the saints (BLM supporters and Lowery) are planning revolution.

    This kind of talk is consistent with the conservative talking point that if liberals are elected in November, they are planning extreme change, radical change that will change life as we know it in this country, destroying our American way of life. Tucker Carlson said as much and so have others. This is how they are scaring their base into supporting Trump again.

    And Somerby is right there with them, pretending that liberals are planning revolution, that BLM is calling for such radical change that it will destroy our way of life, like the Red Guard. Does he mean it literally? Of course not, but he is echoing the Republican talking points nonetheless. Liberals are too radical! Be afraid, very afraid. Lowery is a saint, not a journalist, and he is coming for your way of life! Because revolution is in the air!

    Defend Somerby all you want, but he is engaging in racial fear-mongering along with the conservatives.

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  7. "Did police officers misbehave in the four incidents Lowery cites? "

    Somerby asks this question, but it isn't the point. The four victims are dead, dead, dead, dead. It doesn't matter whether the departments involved considered the shootings justified (e.g., whether the officers broke rules). What matters is that people are getting shot in situations where an interaction with police should not lead to death.

    Why does Somerby not understand this? He is asking the wrong questions.

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    1. "The four victims are dead, dead, dead, dead."

      Dear dembot, when you attack someone, like Robert Christen and Michael Brown did, then those who you attacked are victims, even if they had to shoot you in self-defense.

      And you, like Robert Christen and Michael Brown, are perps, not victims.

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    2. Conflict management to defuse a situation, body armor (like they wear all the time on shift in LA), preventative mental health care to avoid suicide by cop, non-lethal weapons. Seems like there are other solutions that could be discussed and implemented.

      These guys are not perps for being scary. The cops don't know how to handle these situations without shooting people.

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    3. Michael Brown was a victim. The Ferguson Police violated the First, Fourth, and 14th Amendment rights of Ferguson citizens on a regular basis.
      But you knew that.

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    4. Michael Brown was a perp, who attacked a cop and got shot.

      As far as I'm aware, no one forced him to attack that cop; he chose to do it, with the perfectly predictable consequence.

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    5. Anons above - what about TDH's assertion above that way more whites than blacks were killed by police during the same time period? (Aside from the overall cluelessness and incredible obtuseness of most of the anon comments which I don't want to spend time addressing because life is too short) - if the cops in Minnesota killed far more whites, how can anyone say that there is 'racism' involved, which seems to be what all the outrage is about. (Alternatively, you could consider the victims of the cop killings - which as far as I know were mostly, if not all, justified to one extent or another - were killings of people - as opposed to black or white ones - maybe you could get outraged about that, though again the facts of each individual case matter).

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    6. He hasn't adjusted the numbers to produce % rates, as he himself has always claimed must be done. There is racism if the % of blacks killed is greater than the % of whites as a function of their relative proportion of the population.

      But don't misunderstand -- the outrage is because people are being killed by the police who are unarmed or engaged in minor nonviolent crimes. Someone who should perhaps have been arrested is instead being shot and killed. The outrage is because police should know how to deal with someone who is drunk, on drugs, upset, in a domestic dispute, mentally ill, autistic or mentally deficient, suffering from dementia, depressed, or having any other kind of problem -- WITHOUT KILLING THEM!!!!

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    7. Here we have AC/MA who has admitted that he doesn't understand much of what appears in comments, but it is the anonymous commenters who are called stupid, bad readers, and similar abuse?

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    8. @AC/MA
      My best approximation at an answer (I am not black nor a member of BLM):

      BLM takes a long view of racism. To them, it didn’t simply end when a law was passed in 1965. The legacy of racism is still with us. They view “policing” as perpetuating racism, whether or not individual cops are racist or not. One person’s “justifiable homicide” of Michael Brown becomes another in a long history of “murders” of a black person by society.

      The concerns of BLM go beyond police killings to include the bias that exists when police interact with black people, which has been fairly well documented.

      And Lowery’s purpose is to give a voice to BLM, not debunk it. You may disagree, and that’s ok. The interest for me lies in examining their side of the story, not necessarily accepting it uncritically or immediately rejecting it.

      I don’t know how to address your Somerby’s assertion that “way more” whites have been killed by police. That doesn’t render BLM’s complaints untrue or less justified.

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    9. "There is racism if the % of blacks killed is greater than the % of whites as a function of their relative proportion of the population."

      No it isn't. Explain the percent of men vs wimmin.

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    10. Despite being a small % of the general population, black people have way more encounters with the police and thus more opportunity to have a violent runin. The reason why they have more such encounters is due to racism (which is also an underlying factor in poverty and other social problems).

      The difference between men and women is due to testosterone levels in men which result in greater aggressive behavior, together with differences in gender socialization and social expectations.

      You can probably find a textbook about this on Amazon.

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    11. So, all those unarmed men were shot for a good reason: their aggressive behavior. No aggressive behavior -- no shooting. Is that it?

      What's the problem, then?

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    12. A much higher proportion of blacks commit street crime including violent crime. How is anyone stupid enough not to know this or dishonest enough to pretend it isn't true? Derp.

      Yes men too as pointed out by Mao.

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    13. Notice how you ignore the contribution of racism to such statistics.

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    14. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt, dear dembot. Especially when you're denying well-known facts and common sense.

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    15. Having your First, Fourth, and 14th Amendments rights violated by Ferguson Police is a death sentence.

      Not too surprising you'd vote for Trump, what with Democrats going off the deep ed and demanding cops treat black people fairly.

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    16. Anon 7:37 - "Having your First, Fourth, and 14th Amendments rights violated by Ferguson Police is a death sentence" is incoherent. (As to your next "point", I voted against Trump and will again).

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    17. "Why does Somerby not understand this? He is asking the wrong questions."


      He understands it. He's just not blaming the police for them.

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  8. Black people are dying all over the country because of other black people, relatively few by the police in comparison.
    Will there be protests about this? Of course not. Here in Chicago we just had a couple of small children killed, but the only protest was by the neighbors, not anything nationwide by BLM. Why?

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    1. Doesn't sound like the police are doing a very good job.

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    2. Why? Because, presumably, the police are not equivalent to gangs sending stray bullets, as horrible as it is. Or are the police just another gang? The type of misdirection that you're throwing in here intentionally or not misses the point.

      Although, it's true that relatively speaking cops murdering minorities is not a huge problem. The police abusing the minorities is a huge problem.

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  10. Michael Brown's killing was entirely justified by his actions.

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