CLINTONS AND OTHERS: What was the resident talking about?

WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 1, 2023

"Diversity" comes to Maine: On October 25, a 40-year-old man named Robert Card shot and killed at least 18 people at two separate locations in Lewiston, Maine.

It has been said that Card had been "hearing voices" in the months leading up to this brutal event. 

As far as we know, this claim hasn't been verified or confirmed. But according to the leading authority on such matters, the phenomenon may be a sign of a (severe) mental illness:

Auditory hallucinations

An auditory hallucination, or paracusia, is a form of hallucination that involves perceiving sounds without auditory stimulus. While experiencing an auditory hallucination, the affected person would hear a sound or sounds which did not come from the natural environment.

A common form of auditory hallucination involves hearing one or more voices without a speaker present, known as an auditory verbal hallucination. This may be associated with psychotic disorders, most notably schizophrenia, and this phenomenon is often used to diagnose these conditions...

Further discussion continues from there. If you're willing to click the links, the discussion goes on at substantial length. In all likelihood, you'll see few discussions of this matter in the high-end mainstream press. 

We can't tell you why our high-end journalists, and our top news orgs, seem disinclined to interview medical specialists about such significant matters. That said, we'd say that the Auburn, Maine resident whose son was shot and killed may have had a strong point when he spoke to Poppy Harlow on CNN two days after the killings:

HARLOW (10/27/23): I'm struck by your remarks yesterday that you do not harbor hate or anger for the man who took your son's life. And I wonder how that's possible despite your grief.

AUBURN RESIDENT: Uh, you have to put that part of it—you have to put it out of your mind. You have to let the Lord do whatever needs to be done. And if this person was, at the time, in his right mind, I believe he would have been a loving person just like we are. There's something that went wrong.

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And I'm sure this man— Whatever happened to his mind, I'm sure he wasn't born to be a killer. And he's got, I'm sure, a father and a mother that would have never believed this would have happened with him. So all I can say is, I'm sorry that it's happened to all of us, and I'm sorry what may happen to him. And God will prevail.

Borrowing from the language of Hank Williams, the killer had been born as "some mother's darling son." At some point, something had gone (badly) wrong in his mind, this grieving father now said.

We're inclined to assume that this grieving father had a very good point. 

We can't explain why our major news orgs are so reluctant to discuss the role which is often played in our public lives by (severe) mental illness. That said, the grieving father refused to hate. As we noted yesterday, the views he expressed struck Harlow and her co-anchor as being highly enlightened.

The views the grieving father expressed struck us that way too. But as we noted yesterday, he made a somewhat odd remark in the course of stating those views:

AUBURN RESIDENT: We have—we really have a loving community. We have two cities here—sister cities. They both believe that their city is the best city, and that's the way we are. But we love each other.

We travel back and forth to all businesses. We make plans together. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. And as a city councilor, I know a lot of their feelings and they know a lot of mine. The two cities try to make the cities the proudest place to be. 

Diversity, of course, is here and we know that, but we don't go around shooting each other. So you know, I just hope we can move on through this and get it behind us so that we can start healing. And thank God we have you people to keep our loved ones alive for a few more days.

HARLOW: Your son—it is clear that all the good in him came from so much good in you. Thank you for sharing about him with us this morning. And we're here for whatever you need. 

Say what? "Diversity is here, and we know that, but we don't go around shooting each other?" 

Harlow didn't address this throw-away comment. But as the term is commonly understood, "diversity" seems to have played no role in this latest mass shooting event. What could the Auburn resident have meant by that odd remark?

Presumably, the "diversity" to which he referred involves the widely reported way Somali immigrants have moved to cities like Lewiston in the past twenty-odd years. We don't know that that's what he meant, but it seems like a fairly obvious supposition.

As readers may know, Maine has always been a heavily "white" state. Asa of July 2022, the Census Bureau offered these estimated for the state's population as a whole:

State of Maine, July 2022
White: 92.2%
Black: 2.0%
Hispanic: 2.1%
Asian-American: 1.4%

The state of Maine, on the whole, is still quite heavily "white." But back around the turn of the century, Somali immigrants began moving into some of the cities in southern Maine—into cities like Lewiston and Portland.

According to an array of reports, these communities have largely been successful at the task of assimilation, acceptance, integration, welcome. Two years ago, to cite one example, CNN offered an upbeat report about South Portland beneath this upbeat headline:

A Maine city that’s 90% White now has a Somali mayor

That sounds like success to us! Two years earlier, Cynthia Anderson had offered a lengthy essay in the Christian Science Monitor concerning the way this project has unfolded right there in Lewiston, her home town.

She offered a very thoughtful portrait. Headline included, we'll offer a few brief excerpts:

Refugees poured into my state. Here’s how it changed me.

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In spite of occasional news reports to the contrary, things have mostly gone well. But Lewiston is not Utopia. The city’s challenges mirror those in other places with large refugee communities. It has struggled financially, especially early on as the needs for social services and education intensified. Joblessness remains high among the older generation of refugees; many elders still speak little English. The trauma of wars new immigrants escaped—loss of loved ones, sexual assault, years of privation – means that many bear heartache. For some in Lewiston, the long-term effects of trauma hinder acculturation, both for them and for their children. 

Yet Lewiston is more vital than it was two decades ago. Of the city’s 36,000 residents, 6,000 are now African refugees and asylum-seekers. New immigrants work in health care, retail, industry, and food service. The first Somali American kids born in the city are high school juniors, and a new elementary school opened in September with a 900-student capacity—among the largest K-5s in Maine.

Things have mostly gone well in Lewiston, Anderson wrote. She also offered this:

A sizable minority of Mainers remains unhappy about the presence of the city’s newest residents. Lewiston sits in the state’s 2nd Congressional District. Mr. Trump won here in 2016, giving him his only electoral vote in New England. The expansion of the city’s services to include translators and English as a second language instructors is anathema to many, as is coexistence with Islam. In recent years, the region’s anti-Islam faction has gained momentum and new followers. 

We can't judge the accuracy of Anderon's overall assessments. That said:

For what it's worth, Trump didn't win in Lewiston in 2016. He did win in Maine's much larger, encompassing 2nd Congressional District, but he lost to Hillary Clinton in Lewiston by a fairly substantial margin

It's also hard to square Anderson's population figures with Census Bureau estimates. Here are the Census Bureau's figures for Lewiston in 2022:

Lewiston, Maine, July 2022
White: 82.7%
Black: 7.3%
Hispanic: 2.2%
Asian-American: 3.0%

According to the Census Bureaus, Lewiston was still heavily "white." But as compared to the state as a whole, those figures make Lewiston a melting-pot. Presumably, this was the diversity to which the grieving father referred.

Nothing about the mass killing in Lewiston seems to be connected to "diversity" or to "race." Why then did this seemingly enlightened man insert that odd remark?

Harlow didn't ask about the remark, and we can't answer that question. But as we noted yesterday, the resident had made an even odder set of remarks back in 2021—an even odder set of remarks with an explicitly racial backdrop.

Did those remarks make him a "racist?" Should we regard the Auburn resident as one of the deplorables? 

Should we conceive of him as an Other? With "national survival" at stake, what can we learn from this grieving father's collection of remarks?

Tomorrow: Clinton and Clinton and others


31 comments:

  1. Kevin Drum looks at the murder rate.

    https://jabberwocking.com/the-2020-murder-spike-was-probably-due-to-the-murder-of-george-floyd/

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    1. Drum cannot reach any conclusions from just the data he graphed. These sorts of things are more complex than he makes them and I think he shows far too little caution when explaining his data.

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    2. Drum said his conclusion was probable, not certain.

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    3. It isn't even probable, if you read through the comments where alternative explanations are discussed.

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    4. I'm not certain that it's probable. I'd say it's probably probable.

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    5. Calling George Floyd's murder responsible for the rise in murders during covid is like calling Hillary Clinton responsible for this shooting of white people in Lewiston, since she targeted deplorables. Way too tenuous.

      Drum doesn't even mention the likelihood that the tensions arising from being locked down and scared about catching covid, deprived of social interaction and worried about loved ones (who may even have died) could have been projected onto (transferred) to the George Floyd situation. That would make Floyd's death the proximal cause, but covid the distal cause. Drum's simplistic thinking is often annoying, but in this case, blaming Floyd taps into political animosities and doesn't seem helpful, especially given that his data is so far from probable.

      Drum is a trained journalist but he does not know how to do social science research. He has not ruled out simple coincidence and that makes his speculation harmful to those he wants to blame. What is his mechanism for the increase? Linking it to Floyd doesn't explain HOW those murders were increased.

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    6. Drum is untrained and not a journalist.

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    7. He has a B.A. degree in Journalism from Cal State Long Beach, according to Wikipedia.

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    8. Drum is a right winger pushing a right wing agenda, unlike Somerby, Drum pretty much cops to this.

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    9. Trained journalists are deplorable.

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    10. Trains stop at depots, at least half of them.

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    11. Drum is a trained journalist.

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  2. None of the victims of the Lewiston mass shooting was racially diverse. There is no suggestion that the shooter had racial animosity or a racial motivation for killing 18 people.

    Why does Somerby bring race into this situation? Why does he talk about "diversity" in Lewiston at all, when it appears to have nothing to do with this shooting?

    It seems majorly inappropriate for Somerby to imply that the deplorableness of Trump supporters has any relevance to this situation, especially given that Lewiston itself voted for HIllary, unless Somerby is trying to suggest that the motive of Card may have been to shoot Democrats.

    Further, a tragedy like this should not be used for political purposes, as Somerby apparently does today, with his analysis of the number of deplorables likely in Lewiston and the presence of 7% Somalian refugees in the town.

    Is Somerby implying that the left tends to call ALL mass shootings motivated by hate? That isn't true. Obviously some are caused by mental illness, as this one appears to have been. But then Somerby says this, which is just as odd as Harlow's reference to diversity:

    "It has been said that Card had been "hearing voices" in the months leading up to this brutal event.

    As far as we know, this claim hasn't been verified or confirmed."

    Why does Somerby make a point of saying that Card's mental illness has not been investigated, when the reports that he was hearing voices came from both his family and the other reservists who spent time with him. This seems like misplaced skepticism, given Card's actions and his suicide.

    So, I am having a lot of trouble understanding what Somerby's point is today, and why he went to the trouble of writing this particular essay.

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    1. I think you'll just have to wait. My guess is that in the past this Auburn councilor said some unfortunate things about Somali immigrants, which would lead some of us to condemn him as a deplorable, yet he has evolved morally into the inspiring man he is today. And if he can evolve, maybe others can, too, so maybe we should try to talk with them.

      But that's just a guess of where this is going.

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    2. Some remark back in 2021 has nothing to do with this mass shooting, so why focus on it at all? And if he was even more of a deplorable, why would that make any difference to how we feel about this tragedy?

      Are you suggesting that Somerby would believe any of us would feel less empathy for this man with the loss of his son, just because he supports Trump?

      I don't find this kind of forgiveness morally inspiring. It is routine for grief counselors to urge forgiveness on those who have suffered this kind of loss. The forgiveness helps the grieving to cope with what has happened to them. I don't attach any philosophical moral nobility to it, as Somerby seems to do.

      I think Somerby is reaching to portray that remark about diversity as a sign that this man may be racist. No one has quoted what he said in 2021, but if they have to go that far back to find deplorableness, then this guy is not who Hillary was talking about.

      But the idea that liberals do not try to talk to Others is also incorrect. As I've said here numerous times, most of us have Trump supporters in our families, among our friends and among work colleagues. We DO talk to them, and that is where the belief that they are not going to change their ideas comes from. We have tried.

      But I continue to feel that the deaths involved in this tragedy are not an appropriate situation for Somerby to use for his own agenda. I think it shows disrespect to the dead and the grieving to use this as a "teaching moment," if that is what Somerby intends.

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    3. If this man was persuaded to “evolve” away from red tribe attitudes under the current condition of the blue tribe, then that cuts against Somerby’s main thesis; however, the proposition that this man has “evolved” is unsubstantiated, unlikely, and pretty much pure nonsense.

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  3. Today's essay shows that if you are too coy about your point, you can wind up not communicating at all.

    Diversity does not cause mass shootings. There is no reason for Somerby to imply that it does, as with today's analysis of the Lewiston diversity. Left wingers do not go around shooting deplorables, if that is Somerby's sneaky hinted message.

    Journalists do not go around discussing schizophrenia or auditory hallucinations any more than they discuss electrical engineering or automotive repair. These are technical fields with content that will not be understood by everyday people. Further, the press is not competent to assess whether someone is mentally ill based on the facts of a shooting or based on deviant behavior either -- for one things, any number of recreational drugs can cause the same symptoms, so it is difficult to make a diagnosis without assessing the subject in person.

    What would be gained by speculation by the press? Wasn't it Somerby who complained about the press trying to figure out how that Gaza hospital was damaged? Or does he consider it OK as long as the speculation fits his own guesses?

    Even if someone commits a mass shooting because they are mentally ill, their delusions and hallucinations and their motive doesn't come from a vacuum. People acquire their fixations and obsessions from their environment, whatever that is. So a person who is immersed in conspiracy theories and racial hatred and political partisanship and gun control fears may act out in ways that incorporate those beliefs. So, this is not an either/or question -- either someone was mentally ill or they were racist -- a person can be neither or both or many other things.

    Somerby appears to be working hard to suggest that mental illness is being ignored as a cause in a situation where racism may or may not be present. He cannot know anything about what caused this shooting using this kind of analysis. But mental illness is not a catch-all solution to shifting blame from what deporables preach onto some magical term like "crazy" that explains nothing at all.

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  4. I've discussed Somali immigrants with Corby. We both believe that the Somalis are an asset to our country.

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  5. Want to hear some classical music? This is cheerful and easy to enjoy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lT7iLG-UCdE

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    1. I listen to music to get an adrenaline rush, or for motivation, or to feel a vibe or an emotion - none of which I get from how classical music is usually presented; I recognize it’s considered a high form art but I find the way it’s typically arranged to be flat and uninteresting.

      Likely my brain just lacks the ability to process classical music in a way that makes it fulfilling.

      I do enjoy when those same compositions are fused with other genres, or are arranged differently.

      https://youtu.be/HJYYCQAq-jM?si=8yBSLoJFoGRNuq2n

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    2. I like Mozart because he didn't smoke while performing. I am Corby.

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    3. Classical music may be an acquired taste, but you might find a live concert more exciting.

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    4. 9:23, do you mean a live classical concert or a live popular concert?

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  6. "CLINTONS AND OTHERS: What was the resident talking about?"

    Somerby never mentions the Clintons, so why is this the headline today? The Clintons clearly had nothing whatsoever to do with the Lewiston mass shooting. Is this some sort of guilt-by-association ploy where merely linking the Clintons to this event is meant to tarnish Democrats? If not, why does he keep labeling this series with their name?

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    1. Pretty much comes down to Bob wanting to blame the ugliness of Trump and his backers on the deplorable comment. That’s how far Bob has fallen.

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  7. The strategy of the red tribe is highly effective, their power far exceeds their numbers.

    They cheat, and motivate their voters by appealing to the most base urges.

    They never give an inch to the blue tribe, and are brutal in their attacks against the blue tribe.

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  8. Unlike some of the other mass slaughters, this one seems to have nothing to do with race. The racial element in these killings has gone both ways, but it’s mostly victimized blacks. So even when somebody points out this was not about diversity, reverse racism obsessive Bob has a cow.
    This looks like another person with advanced mental health problems who was not separated from his massively lethal weapon, because of Right Wing thinking on guns.
    The Crumblys had a troubled child who was hearing voices. Their solution was to arm him and force him back into school. Paster Bob’s reaction was “there but for the grace of God go I.” Bob is an idiot. Oh, AC, witnessing and calling out such lethal foolishness is on good reason to read Bob.

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