STARTING TOMORROW: Incomprehensions!

MONDAY, NOVEMBER 27, 2023

No Cluelessness Left Behind: We've cited the famous old SNL skit before.

When we say "old," we do mean old! The skit was performed on October 8, 1988, during the Bush-Dukakis campaign.

The sketch presented Candidates Dukakis and Bush in a (fake) presidential debate. Jon Lovitz was cast as Michael Dukakis. 

In the impression which helped make him famous, Dana Carvey was cast as George H. W. Bush. Here's why the sketch is remembered:

Midway through the fake debate, Candidate Bush offers a series of silly evasions in response to a repeated question from a Diane Sawyer character. Famously, the Dukakis character ends up saying this:

SAWYER CHARACTER: You still have fifty seconds left, Mr. Vice-President.

BUSH CHARACTER: Let me just sum up. On track, stay the course. A thousand points of light. 

Stay the course.

SAWYER CHARACTER: Governor Dukakis, rebuttal?

DUKAKIS CHARACTER: I can't believe I'm losing to this guy!

AUDIENCE: [Laughter, applause]

To watch the videotape, click here. For a transcript of the sketch, you can just click this.

"I can't believe I'm losing to this guy!" The site which prepared that transcript offers this assessment of the famous old SNL sketch:

This sketch is a parody envisioning of the soon-to-be-held second and final presidential debate of the 1988 presidential election campaign, which was contested primarily by Republican candidate George H. W. Bush...and Democratic candidate Michael Dukakis. 

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As time has passed, this fake debate has proven to be (relatively) more memorable than the actual debate it is portraying, which did not have any particularly memorable events.

In fact, the actual debate included one of the most famous—and unfortunate—events in the history of presidential debates (see below). But SNL's fake debate has lived on in memory too. 

I can't believe I'm losing to this guy! In our view, the skit is memorable because it seems to capture an unfortunate yet enduring characteristic of blue tribe political culture.

All too often, we blues almost seem to pride ourselves in our failure to comprehend why red tribe voters could possibly be supporting The Other Guy. It's almost like we blue tribe members are all "fake Dukakis" now.

Why in the world are people voting for him? When we can't imagine anything like a valid reason for some such choice, we start dropping our various bombs.

We call them racists, misogynists, deplorables—even irredeemables. In doing so, we may make it that much more likely that our own candidate won't win.

Indeed, in the age of Trump, we've gone so far as to complain when major newspapers interview voters about such questions. As such, we aren't just uncomprehending about red tribe viewpoints and outlooks. We seem to be defiantly clueless concerning what Others may think.

In the aftermath of the October 7 killings and kidnappings by Hamas, we thought we saw that attitude—that defiant lack of comprehension—suffusing a fair amount of blue tribe pundit reaction. 

In the main, we're thinking of conversations we saw on Morning Joe and Deadline: White House. In these conversations, major blue tribe "thought leaders" seemed to have no idea why anyone might be sympathetic to Palestinian causes—why anyone might be "pro-Palestinian" in their general outlook.

These pundits went on and on, then on and on, suggesting that some such alignment could stem from only one source—from antisemitism. They almost seemed to take pride in their inability to imagine other possible reasons for the outlook being voiced by some of These College Students Today, and by some other progressives.

For the record, these pundits have been reinforcing the line which is currently dominant on the Fox News Channel. According to that prevailing line, we progressives are so antisemitic that—to cite one astounding example—Barack Obama was said to need a new sign, a yard sign which (with apologies) says, "Kill the Jews."

That's the kind of rank aggression being voiced on major Fox programs. Back on MSNBC, major blue pundits have gone on and on in an alarmingly similar vein. 

Why would anyone be sympathetic to the Palestinians' outlooks or causes? The cluelessness has been deep and vast—and it has sometimes seemed to be held almost proudly.

As a general matter, our own view would go like this:

As we noted all last week, there is no single, perfect way to view the current situation concerning (take your choice) Israel and Hamas / Israel and Gaza / Israel and the Palestinian people. 

As we saw in Ruth Marcus' heartfelt column for the Washington Post, decent, deeply caring people—deeply caring Jewish people—may come down in different ways concerning these tragic events.

Different people will have different views about this horrible situation. That said, you have to be unhelpfully clueless to behave in the way some major blue pundits have done. 

In our view, progressive / liberal / Democratic Party interests have been served very poorly by a great deal of their work. In our view, that's true concerning this particular matter, but also concerning other major political topics.

In our view, we've been poorly served by much of their work. They may help elect Trump in the process. We'll discuss this problem all week.

"I can't believe I'm losing to this guy!" the fictional Dukakis once said.

The real Dukakis ended up losing. Could that possibly happen again?

Tomorrow: As heard on Morning Joe

The history of that debate: That SNL sketch aired on October 8, 1988. Five days later, on October 13, the actual Candidates Bush and Dukakis took part in their final debate.

That debate opened with a famous question from CNN's Bernard Shaw. As various sources have reported, his female fellow moderators had begged him not to ask that particular question, but ask it he instantly did.

Mainstream pundits landed on Dukakis' response like a ton of bricks. Starting in March 1999, mainstream pundits behaved in a similar way for twenty straight months as they conducted their astonishing war against Candidate Gore during Campaign 2000.

You've almost never read about that astonishing twenty-month war. By the enduring rules of the game, some events simply cannot be discussed by members of the journalistic and academic guilds. 

By the enduring rules of the game, what happens in the mainstream press corps stays in the mainstream press corps. Career players agree to place inconvenient truths inside an ironclad lockbox!


78 comments:

  1. I can't understand how anyone would agree with David and Cecelia.

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    1. I agree with David and Cecelia. I am Corby.

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    2. Corby is still in Iceland waiting for the eruption. Corby likes it there.

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    3. Corby gave up on the eruption and went home.

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    4. It isn’t about the eruption any more.

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    5. The PM of Iceland drives his own vintage car.

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  2. "The site which prepared that transcript offers this assessment..." Somerby says. Why not just mention the site (Genius.com) since it is their assessment being quoted? If their words are quoted, they should be attributed to the source, the ones who said those those. Is Somerby afraid of being seen reading a blog called Genius.com? Why?

    Then Somerby omits the question that those female interviewers begged Bernard Shaw not to ask. Why would he leave that out? It is key to why the pundits landed on Dukakis, and then Somerby says they did the same thing to Gore later on, but what exactly did they do and why? You don't know that without knowing what the question was.

    Then Somerby says "what happens in the mainstream press corps stays in the mainstream press corps," apparently complaining that we today are not told how the press treated Al Gore back in the day. But Somerby himself disappears so much from his own essays that he seems to be the last one with standing to complain about what others omit.

    Is this cleverness on Somerby's part? No. I think it is annoying coyness, his own personal allusions, a theme he has rung so many times he may forget what he was said and not said previously, and another incomprehensible whine about Al Gore who has not run for any office in a very long time now. Somerby has stopped making sense, but his tone of grievance is clear.

    Somerby claims liberals may be electing Trump with our behavior. The actual behavior is never described. Nor why anyone would switch to Trump simply because we call Trump awful. Only children run into the street because they are told not to.

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  3. It would be interesting to know why Bernard Shaw would go ahead and ask that question after his female moderators begged him not to. Why should Dukakis have been expected to answer such a question? Somerby doesn't go there -- he doesn't even trust his readers by telling us what the question was.

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  4. Corby is tired of Somerby’s nonsense.

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  5. Does Somerby really think that the pro-Palestinian side hasn't been receiving any press attention. I think that is all I've been hearing. It seems to me that the pro-Israel side is being neglected, even though it is the policy of our government and the one that Biden is pursuing. Instead, I see articles about how Biden's staff is rebelling and Democrats are split and so on.

    If Somerby were really a media analyst, he might talk about how much of the pro-Palestinian talking points are true and how much is fake news and disinformation. There is a lot of that floating around because apparently quite a bit of money donated to humanitarian aid in Gaza is finding its way into pro-Palestinian lobbying organizations. Somerby could help sort that out, but it would take work and Somerby doesn't do that any more. He can't even bother to cite the people he quotes these days, much less look up facts that have apparently turned him into another Hamas shill.

    Notice how Somerby generalizes from one woman's comments to an entire party line on Fox News. And he isn't done with that -- it is now part of why Trump will win, because we liberals have such heinous opinions that we are pushing everyone into the arms of the right, even though so much of the left is now saying exactly the same stuff about Gaza as Somerby has been saying.

    Somerby has made me sorry I voted for Al Gore. He lost his own election -- the press didn't do that for him. But if I had it to do over again, I would go back and change my vote. A presidential candidate who doesn't know how to deal with the press is not going to handle foreign diplomacy very well either. I wouldn't vote for Bush -- I've seen how that turned out -- but I am very sorry I wasted a vote on Gore. Somerby has convinced me of that.

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    1. Corby is adorable.

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    2. Some real unfunny asshat seems to be obsessed with Corby.

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    3. What is an asshat? I am not Corby.

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    4. i guess it's a hat. for your ass. Corbs is adorbs

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  6. If Somerby had any guts, he would connect the dots and say explicitly that the press has been playing the Al Gore game against Biden. They only talk about his age and not any of his outstanding accomplishments as president. They never give Biden credit for what he has done. Top experts are saying that Biden is the best president since FDR, especially taking control during covid and preventing a major recession with his infrastructure bill, then handling a congress that can't seem to do anything at all, not even elect a speaker, and now dealing with Israel-Hamas to help get hostages released and broker a ceasefire (that Hamas doesn't seem to want, given their obstructions the past two days). Biden deserves credit but all he gets is age-related nonsense, while Trump gets a pass for every cognitive gaffe and bit of senility.

    That's the Al Gore treatment but Somerby can't bring himself to talk about it at all. And when he does, he too points out how old Biden is, instead of acknowledging what a good job our president has done. What is wrong with Somerby?

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    1. Corby is adorable.

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    2. "Top experts are saying that Biden is the best president since FDR"

      What is the nature of the expertise that applies to evaluating a president? What formulas and definitions must one master? When does one apply the 'greater than' sign, and when the 'lesser than' sign?

      And how does one distinguish an 'expert' from a 'top expert'? What puts an expert over the top?

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    3. A top expert is an expert who thrusts. A bottom expert is an expert who is thrusted into.

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    4. Don't be silly. Corby is the toppest expert.

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    5. FDR is a piece of shit, compared to Biden.

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    6. FDR did most of the development for the atomic bomb.

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    7. He colluded with the Ruskies.

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    8. And they stole his bomb designs.

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    9. Haha, joking about FDR and bombs is so fuuunnny!

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    10. FDR had a man-crush on Beria.

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    11. He colluded with the Ruskies.

      Cause he couldn't let you fucking nazis win.

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    12. He wanted you fucking ruskies to win.

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    13. You fucking nazis declared war on the US, jackass.

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    14. Like you fucking ruskie jackasses care.

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    15. That would be funny if you didn't have your head up Putin's ass.

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    16. Not funny, fucking ruskie asshole? Go cry me a river.

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    17. Go make yourself useful, fascist prick. Putin needs more cannon fodder.

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    18. Russkie dumbass knows exactly what putin needs.

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  7. First, the contention that MSNBC has only presented the Israeli side is so patently false one really has to question if Bob actually believes it. What’s your dodge on this one, Dogface?
    Bob reaches into his old, small bag of tricks here. Yes, like the other side, liberals can be in the dark about what the other side is thinking ( worse than the right? Hardly), but at this point that’s just an excuse for Bob not to confront what Trump and the MAGA movement are doing in any serious way.

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    1. Is Bob obligated to "confront what Trump and the MAGA movement are doing"?

      If not, on what basis can Bob be criticized for not engaging in such confrontation?

      Or, put another way: is Bob free to write about whatever he wants to?

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    2. Let me help you avoid sounding like a pedantic twit, Hector: "Bob is free to write whatever he wants to." PERIOD
      FTFY

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    3. Seems like your helpfuless would have been better directed to 1:01. But it's nice that you thought of me.

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    4. First, the contention that MSNBC has only presented the Israeli side is so patently false one really has to question if Bob actually said it.

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    5. Nice try Doggy. Is there a point to this post beyond the contention that MSNBC (and by implication our “tribe”) isn’t listening to the Palestinian’s side? Beyond the fact that Bob was still watching SNL long after it was funny I don’t see it. Willing to be schooled here but you don’t have much to work with.
      No Hector, Bob isn’t obligated to to do anything. Nor is the reader obligated to ignore his idiocy and how it flounders in these crisis times.

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    6. I despair of explaining the point of the essay to you; I feel your mind is closed to comprehension. Nevertheless, I'll try:

      Somerby says a "fair amount" of blue pundits (like most red pundits) condemn any sympathy to Palestinian views as anti-semitism. Somerby worries that this mindless condemnation could lead to red tribe electoral victories.

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    7. In other words, Somerby is presenting a strawman argument.

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    8. Well, no, he's not. He's making a straight argument: If you call people names they tend to reject your point of view.

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    9. They never would have accepted it anyway — that’s the straw part — that if you are nice to them they will accept your views. People don’t do that, especially on matters they care about.

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  8. Somerby doesn’t go into specifics. He claims that someone on Morning Joe and/or Nicolle Wallace leveled charges of antisemitism. He says he’ll discuss it tomorrow. Is it possible that there is some antisemitism on display at these college campus protests? Yes. Antisemitism is a real thing, so until we see specifics, it’s impossible to agree with or object to anything said on these programs. It’s also true that the Palestinian case has been made on MSNBC. I showed examples of that a while ago.

    As to the Palestinians, here’s what the Democratic party platform said in 2016:

    “We will continue to work toward a two-state solution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict negotiated directly by the parties that guarantees Israel's future as a secure and democratic Jewish state with recognized borders and provides the Palestinians with independence, sovereignty, and dignity. “

    And in 2020:

    “We support a negotiated two-state solution that ensures Israel's future as a Jewish and democratic state with recognized borders and upholds the right of Palestinians to live in freedom and security in a viable state of their own.”

    The Republican platform in 2016 said no such thing; there was no Republican platform in 2020. The Republican Party is reflexively and militantly pro-Israel,
    so it makes little sense for these so-called leftist students to vote for trump or republicans, whether or not morning Joe called them antisemitic.

    Somerby seems to sympathize with the students and the Palestinian cause, although he doesn’t give a full picture of what the student protesters are protesting about.

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  9. The other main theme here is that Somerby claims liberals are guilty of magical thinking, just like when Dukakis was running. It isn’t clear to me if he is saying that the media caused Dukakis to lose, and liberals were clueless about that. I don’t recall Dukakis calling Bush voters deplorable or racist, etc. but I do recall that to me, he wasn’t particularly compelling as a candidate, but whatever.

    But here, Somerby doesn’t mention Biden at all, despite his leadership, and yet implies that Morning Joe or his guests, whom he calls liberal thought leaders, are charging those wise young people with antisemitism, and that’s why “we’re” losing, or Biden is losing (?) All while Biden has yet to begin his re-election campaign.

    I do see the mainstream media constantly harping on Biden’s age, and that may be affecting Biden’s numbers. Unfortunately, Somerby can’t critique the media for that, because he himself harps on it.

    Meanwhile, Trump calls liberals vermin, and it’s a mystery whether somerby thinks that epithet will cause people to turn away from Trump.

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    1. I respect a man who calls me vermin.

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    2. "Meanwhile, Trump calls liberals vermin"

      It's interesting that, according to the quote I saw, "liberals" are the only well-defined political segment that he did NOT mention among those who, according to him, "live like vermin within the confines of our country".

      Are you a low-info person, mh, or are you a professional bullshitter?

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    3. Trump used the term “radical left.” Here’s the way conservatives use that term:

      “The radical Left, led by the Biden administration, has put forward the most progressive and out-of-touch agenda in American history; the American people have had enough.
      Ken Cuccunelli, former Attorney General of Virginia and a Trump administration senior official, joins The Kevin Robert’s Show to break down and expose the channels the radical Left has used to attack America as we know it. From the security of the southern border to the integrity of our elections, the Left and the public have never been further apart.”

      https://www.heritage.org/progressivism/commentary/the-radical-lefts-biggest-targets

      Anyway, just wondering if Trump’s name-calling might cause some to move away from him, that’s all, since name calling is apparently so upsetting to the right wing, causing them to change their vote and all.

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    4. @ 2:53 PM

      Right, sure. And when he says "pass the salt, please", what he actually means is "I'll send the liberals to concentration camps".

      Yes, this upsets me greatly.

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    5. He isn’t hinting. He is saying it directly.

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    6. "Pass the salt lease" isn't going to get Trump voters to the polls. Trump should stick with the bigotry if he wants to keep his voters engaged.

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    7. But we should pass the salt lease.

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  10. That race makes me nostalgic for a time when we could take it for granted that candidates were competent. Dukakis was a very smart man who was a good Governor of a large state. Bush, a Yale graduate, a successful business man, who had served as UN Ambassador, CIA Director and VP. Both were in the prime of life.

    I can't believe we really will have a choice of Biden and Trump. It's a bad dream,

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    1. Bush Jr was not particularly competent

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    2. On paper, Bush Jr. was well qualified. He had an undergraduate degree from Yale and a prestigious MBA from Harvard. He had been a successful businessman. The state of Texas had done well under his Governorship. He was not going to be terribly old during his term.

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    3. Old isn't the point. Bush Jr didn't like being governor and he really wanted to manage a baseball team or the entire league as commissioner. He got terrible grades at Yale, shirked his Air National Guard duty (that let him avoid the draft), didn't read his daily briefings so he missed the warning about the trade towers being bombed, promoted a useless horse show manager to FEMA director which left New Orleans unprepared to deal with Katrina, and made a hash of his presidency, largely out of laziness. You could argue he was too young to be president and needed to grow up, but he didn't get better with age either. Character matters more than age.

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    4. You left out the part about the pesky wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that we could thank W. for.

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    5. Intended that to be covered by his failure to read his daily briefings -- much like Trump. A president really should be willing and able to read, in my opinion. How is that controversial?

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  11. DiC - I think it is amazing what a good job Biden is doing, particularly when you consider that he faces a rabid Republican-controlled House and enjoys but a razor-thin majority (at best) in the Senate. (And also when you consider he was handed a trashed-out economy.)

    But we see strong GDP growth, low inflation, and low unemployment. The economy rarely gets as good as it is going right now.

    And we have no soldiers engaged in foreign wars. Instead, Biden has rallied allies to help supply weapons to Ukraine in its war against Russia, which is wasting Russia's military assets. And Biden's diplomacy in the Israel-Hamas war is restraining Israel from engaging in an even-more-horrendous bloodbath.

    So - Peace and Prosperity. I think, objectively, you should admit that, so far, Biden is doing a terrific job.

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    1. George - Inflation is not low for those of us who eat and who drive. I just got back from a restaurant lunch paying $42.55 (including tip)! Food at the supermarket is much more expensive than it used to be. Gasoline where I live is up from $3.29 in November, 2020, to $5.03 today. That's a 53% increase!

      Note that official inflation numbers exclude food and fuel. That may be why you're under the impression that inflation is low.

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    2. The CPI, which is low and trending down, does not exclude food and fuel.

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    3. The CPI is 3.2% YoY.

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    4. George -- You are correct about CPI. I was referring to Core CPI, which excludes the more volatile food and energy categories. Core CPI just climbed 0.2% monthly, bringing the annual increase to 4%,

      The 3.2% CPI (and 4% Core CPI) at the moment is lower than it has been during Biden's Presidency, but it's not low. The goal is 2%. Low would be below 2%. So-called "Bidenflation" has gone from awful to bad.

      Though year-on-year consumer price rises have come down from a peak of 9.1% in June 2022, the disinflationary trend had stalled in recent months against the backdrop of a strong economy that is being powered by a relatively tight labor market. Inflation continues to run above the Fed's 2% target.

      Most economists believe the U.S. central bank's fastest monetary policy tightening campaign since the 1980s is over, a narrative that Fed Chair Jerome Powell and other policymakers have pushed back against. Powell said last week that "if it becomes appropriate to tighten policy further, we will not hesitate to do so."

      https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/us-consumer-prices-unchanged-october-2023-11-14/

      Here's what 3.2% inflation means to a retiree like me living on my savings. At 3.2% inflation, my savings will be effectively cut in half in 22 1/2 years. Looked at another way, if I put my savings in a 4.3% Certificate of Deposit, I will be losing money on an after-tax basis. My only hope of keeping up with inflation is to put my savings in risky investments.

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    5. Prices of Christmas trees—both real and artificial—are the latest victims of extreme inflation, new market data revealed. Data from the National Christmas Tree Association and the American Christmas Tree Association (ACTA) obtained by Fox Business shows that the cost of Christmas trees has increased ten percent from 2022, with the average price now between $80 and $100

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    6. DiC - But consider how fast the economy recovered from the pandemic-induced recession. A short spike of moderate inflation was a small price. Inflation has already come down rapidly; we’ll see if it continues on that path. So stay tuned.

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    7. Well, George, I hope you're right As I pointed out, inflation is particularly bad for those of us with no opportunity to earn income in the future. However, there is no economic principle guaranteeing that inflation will continue to drop. Time will tell.

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    8. DinC,
      Are you criticizing Biden for not Nationalizing the fossil fuel companies?

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    9. David, Synchronicity Bank is offering 5.3% on CDs today.

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    10. Synchrony not Synchronicity, sorry for typo

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    11. David got an 8.7% increase in his SS checks last year. He's been collecting SS for over 2 decades along with his wife. He will be getting another 3.2% increase for 2024.

      It is almost amusing listening to all these good republicans get upset over capitalism at work.
      What's the matter, David. Don't you believe in free-enterprise? Isn't this the way it's supposed to work?

      Do you want President Biden to impose price controls maybe? How about Windfall Profits Tax on the gross greedy companies who have been gouging us just 'cause they can?

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    12. Corby is adorable.

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    13. Let's see an itemized receipt on a 42 dollar lunch. It's quite rich that Biden is somehow responsible for your lunch tab. Not quite as bad as David Brooks' so congratulations on keeping the bar tab under 50 bucks.

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    14. Bloomberg.com itemized it for you:

      https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2023-inflation-economy-cost-of-living/

      With pictures, for your convenience.

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    15. I didn't see David's itemized lunch in that Bloomberg article.

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  12. Trump will bring higher inflation.

    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/11/trump-has-a-plan-for-massively-increasing-inflation.html

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    1. I could hardly fail to disagree with you any more...

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