The Five were sure it wasn't them!

THURSDAY, JUNE 19, 2024

Also, Greg Gutfeld got something right: On Tuesday afternoon, four members of the cast of The Five were sure it wasn't them. As a matter of fact, they were adamant.

The White House had begun to claim that Red American orgs were airing misleading videotape about President Biden.

Four members of The Five were scandalized. Greg Gutfeld responded first:

GUTFELD (6/18/24): When we see something, we vet it. The media does not. They are the engine behind their hoaxes. They are lucky we don't match their dishonesty. We could. We don't.

We don't have to, because basically we don't have to make up crap. Apparently, though, they hold us to a higher standard than they hold themselves. Only they can cheat. because they believe they have a moral high ground and that moral high ground allows them to do anything immoral they want...

They can say anything. They can lie, because they have the moral high ground. The most dangerous person is one that excuses their bad actions in the name of the good, especially when the good never materializes.

WATTERS (smirkingly): Very well said, Greg.

GUTFELD: Thank you, Jesse.

Several minutes later, Judge Jeanine went off. Harold Ford has said he doesn't like it when either side engages in misleading presentations. 

Ford serves as one of the program's punching bags. Judge Jeanine had a better idea:

PIRRO: You know, when you talk about both sides? I don't think it's both sides. The political correctness started with the Democrats. when they wanted us to say things in certain ways... All the Democrats do is say you've got to shut up. You can't say it that way and you mustn't change that...The only thing that's going on is Joe Biden is losing his mind, stumbling, mumbling and tripping. That's all.

The four panelists were quite sure—nothing misleading is ever said on a program like The Five. Comically, The Five is a program where "fair and balanced" has come to mean four dogmatic Red American pundits beating up one lone Democrat.

Four on one is the definition of "fair and balanced" on this "cable news" program! In the very next segment, Watters was pounding his right fist into his left palm, suggesting that this is what should be done to the demonic Anthony Fauci.

("They're treating this guy like royalty. He should be really [SMACK] put the screws to," the silly fellow scarily said, suggestively pounding his fist.)

The four panelists were adamant—nothing misleading or erroneous has ever emerged from Red America's side of the aisle. But in the midst of all the clowning, Greg Gutfeld broke every rule in the book:

He made a valid point!

He has now been stating his point for several days, on The Five and on the Gutfeld! program. You can see him make the point Tuesday afternoon on The Five, as the segment came to an end.

His presentation started like this. Sadly enough, this overwrought presentation is basically valid:

PIRRO (6/18/24): ...The only thing that's going on is Joe Biden is losing his mind, stumbling, mumbling and tripping. That's all.

GUTFELD: Jesse, can I make one simple point? That Joe Biden ran on one simple fake fact, that Trump called Nazis "fine people." 

When anybody called that out on the media and said it wasn't true, they were putting their careers in danger. There were only a handful of people that said, "Trump didn't say that. Trump didn't say that." And still CNN, and other networks, would run for it. If you called it out, you got harassed. So this is bullsh*t.

As you may recall, the endlessly cited phrase in question was "very fine people on both sides." That said, Gutfeld's overwrought complaint is basically well founded.

Yesterday afternoon, on The Five, he went into more detail, some of which was helpful. Basically, the highlighted statement is accurate:

GUTFELD (6/19/24): ...The fact is, all of the Trump hoaxes have turned out to be false. All of the Biden mishaps are obviously true. 
So I'm going to go back, because I sound like a broken record, to the "fine people" hoax. The was the media / Democrat op that edited Trump's words to make it sound like he said Nazis were fine people...Any journalist could have looked at this transcript and debunked it, but they didn't.

Gutfeld went on and on in overwrought fashion, but the highlighted point is valid. In the transcript in question, Trump clearly said, two or three times, that he wasn't including white nationalists or the like in the "very fine people" comment.

Gutfeld's highlighted statement is accurate! Any journalist could have reviewed the transcript and seen that Trump made those statements. Indeed, journalists should have done that.

We ourselves have done a full presentation of this matter several times. But we the people of Blue America are every bit as unsuited to running "our democracy" as are the people of Red America, the neighbors and friends Over There.

We humans are good at building tall buildings—tall building which rarely fall down. Also, when you hit the light switch on the wall, the lights almost always come on.

We the humans are much less skilled at almost everything else. By temperament and basic wiring, we're poorly suited to the complex task of engineering a serious discourse within what we call "our democracy."

As humans, we instinctively know that our own tribe is intelligent, honest and right. We also know that those found in the other tribe are stupid, dishonest and wrong.

Four of The Five play this game every day. But it isn't just done on Fox.

We humans! We simply aren't built for the tedious task of trying to run "our democracy." We Blues have displayed this shortcoming again and again. It isn't just the four irate folk who strut and fret and expound Over There.


PROPHECY: That trial may have cost Donald Trump a few points!

THURSDAY, JUNE 19, 2024

Helen meets Stormy Daniels: For the record, the current prophecy won't be tested if President Biden wins re-election.

We refer to the prophecy widely advanced across the realm of Blue America—the prophecy according to which Donald J. Trump's return to the White House would produce an end to "our democracy."

Will President Biden win re-election this year? Without question, he certainly might!  In a new poll from Fox News, he's moved ahead of Candidate Trump by two points nationwide. 

That said, riddle us this. In that same detailed survey, substantial majorities of both parties made this declaration:

The future of democracy is "extremely important in deciding [their] vote for president." 

Democrats said it—but so did Republicans! Here are the actual numbers:

Percentage of respondents saying the future of democracy is "extremely important" in deciding their vote this year:
Democrats: 74%
Republicans: 64%

Republicans are saying it too! How about the percentage of voters saying that the future of democracy is "extremely important" or "very important?" Those numbers look like this:

Percentage of respondents saying the future of democracy is "extremely important" or "very important" in deciding their vote this year:
Democrats: 92%
Republicans: 86%

"Time passed, and now it seems, everybody's having that dream!" We're quoting the early Dylan there, but let's be clear:

In this case, that dream, and its attendant prophecies, may of course be accurate. More specifically, if Candidate Trump makes his way to the White House, it may turn out that "our democracy"—such as it is—will indeed be doomed, or at least will be badly impacted.

At any rate, everybody seems to be saying that "our democracy" hangs in the balance. As to what we the people mean by that, this lengthy report by Fox News offers a bit of detail:

Three in 10 voters say debate performance will be extremely important to their vote for president, and by a 5-point margin more think Trump will win next week’s debate. A few more Democrats (9%) think Trump will win than Republicans (6%) say the same about Biden.  

The survey asks voters what comes to mind when they hear about threats to the future of American democracy and, by a wide margin, more think of the threats as the end of certain "rights and freedoms" than the end of "free and fair elections" (53%-30%), and that holds true among Democrats, Republicans and independents.  

By a 23-point margin, more think Hunter Biden’s gun trial (79%) was fair than Trump’s hush-money trial (56%). Four percent say Hunter’s conviction led them to change their support in the presidential race toward Trump or a third-party candidate, while 5% say Trump’s conviction caused a shift in their support to Biden or someone else.

Go figure! We the people believe all kinds of things. We're frequently willing to say those things if someone actually asks.

At any rate, Democrats fear for our democracy, but Republicans fear for it too. That said, the prophecy issued by Blue America's pundit class won't be tested if President Biden wins re-election. 

(If the president wins re-election, the rage of people like Steve Bannon will perhaps be tested instead. The shinola may start to hit the fan when the candidates battle next week.)

For ourselves, we have a greater personal affection for noble Hector's earlier prophecy—for the prophecy issued in Book Six of the Iliad, the western's world's first great work of literature.

The storytelling is brilliant and clear in that "poem of war." So is the nature of human concern at that point in time. 

Famously, that poem starts with "the rage of Achilles." In his introduction to the Robert Fagles 1990 translation, Professor Knox offers a concise account of Achilles' fury—of the rage which drives the fictional events which unfold in the twenty-four books of the poem.

As Professor Knox explains, the poem begins with a different prophecy. We apologize for one choice of words:

The incident that provoked Achilles' rage took place in the tenth and final year of the Achaean attack on Troy...The rage of Achilles—its cause, its course and its disastrous consequences—is the theme of the poem, the mainspring of the plot.

Chryses, a priest of Apollo, whose daughter has been carried off by the Achaeans in one of their raids, comes to the camp to ransom her. But she has been assigned, in the division of the booty, to the king who commands the Achaean army, Agamemnon, and he refuses to give her up. Her father prays for help to Apollo, who sends a plague that devastates the Achaean camp. 

Achilles, leader of the Myrmidons. one of the largest contingents of the Achaean army, summons the chieftains to an assembly. There they are told by the prophet Calchas that the girl must be returned to her father. Agamemnon has to give her up, but demands compensation for his loss. 

Achilles objects: let Agamemnon wait until more booty is taken. A violent quarrel breaks out between the two men, and Agamemnon finally announces that he will take recompense for his loss from Achilles, in the form of the girl Briseis, Achilles' share of the booty. 

For almost ten years, the invading Achaean armies have been waging a siege against the wealthy walled city of Troy. In this brief summary, Professor Knox describes one part of the "toxic masculinity" which lies at the heart of this ancient poem.

The word "booty" strikes us as profoundly unfortunate. More directly, the Achaeans have been raiding area villages, seizing girls and young women to be held as sexual slaves. 

The rage of Achilles is provoked when Agamemnon, lord of men—forced to surrender the young woman he has taken—announces that he is going to seizes Achilles' sexual slave instead.

Meanwhile, why have these lunatics spent ten years conducting a siege of Troy in the first place? The events in question lie outside the text of the Iliad, but Professor Knox offers this account of the original offense:

There are in the poem two human beings who are godlike, Achilles and Helen. One of them, Helen, the cause of the war, is so preeminent in her sphere, so far beyond competition in her beauty, her power to enchant men, that she is a sort of human Aphrodite. In her own element she is irresistible. Every king in Greece was ready to fight for her hand in marriage, but she chose Menelaus, king of Sparta. 

When Paris, the prince of Troy, came to visit, she ran off with him, leaving husband and daughter, without a thought of the consequences for others. Her willful action is the cause of all the deaths at Troy, those past and those to come. When she left with Paris she acted like a god, with no thought of anything but the fulfillment of her own desire, the exercise of her own nature. But when the Iliad opens she has already come to realize the meaning for others of her actions, to recognize that she is a human being. She criticizes herself harshly as she speaks to Priam...

Helen had been married to Menelaus—the son of Agamemnon and an Achaean prince. Ten years before the start of the Iliad, she decided to run off with Paris—a prince of Troy, one of King Priam's sons.

The loss of Helen was perceived as a blow to Achaean honor. The legion of lunatics down by the shore have been fighting and dying for almost ten years trying to get her back.

This was the sexual politics which lay at the heart of human striving at the dawn of the west. Moving right along:

In the most recent poll from Fox, Candidate Trump may have lost a few points in the wake of his criminal trial in New York. That trial turned on the claim that he had engaged in consensual sex, on one occasion in 2006, with a woman who wasn't his wife—with our own struggling nation's top "porn star."

If we squint a bit and tilt our head, we think we see a certain similarity between these two stories:

Way back when, the Achaeans were willing to fight and die over control of Helen. Thousands of years later, we Blues were willing to say that we needed to hear Stormy Daniels tell her story—share "her truth"—about that one consensual event before we could know how to vote in the 2016 election.

The fate of our democracy, such as it is, may now turn on that ridiculous claim. Our thought leaders in Blue America, such as they are, have been willing to advance that embarrassing claim, with no apparent sense of embarrassment, again and again and again in the course of the past year.

We think we hear a type of rhyme when we consider these two stories. When we hear the sounds of those rhymes, we almost start to think we see a type of truth behind the idea that we humans aren't mature enough, even now, to conduct a serious "democracy."

Back to Professor Knox:

In 1990, all those millennia later, he was oddly fashioning Helen's decision to run off with Paris as "the cause of all the deaths at Troy." The "willful action" of Paris himself came in for no such appraisal.

How far had our sexual politics come by the time that appraisal was offered? When Greek citizens heard the Iliad sung, they heard Helen herself offering that same appraisal. We start with "the old men of the realm" catching sight of the world's most beautiful woman in Book Three of the poem:

So they waited,
the old chiefs of Troy, as they sat aloft the tower.
And catching sight of Helen moving along the ramparts,
they murmured one to another, gentle, winged words:
"Who on earth could blame them? Ah, no wonder
the men of Troy and Argives under arms have suffered
years of agony all for her
, for such a woman.
Beauty, terrible beauty! 
A deathless goddess—so she strikes our eyes!
But still,
ravishing as she is, let her go home in the long ships
and not be left behind, for us and our children
down the years an irresistible sorrow."

The old men blamed Helen for the years of agony; the noble King Priam did not. Addressing her as "dear child," he tells her he "holds the gods to blame for bringing this war upon me."

This is the kind of conduct which separates Trojan civilization from the toxicity down by the shore. That said, Helen has internalized a type of sexual politics:

And Helen the radiance of women answered Priam.
"I revere you so, dear father, dread you too—
if only death had pleased me then, grim death,
that day I followed your son to Troy, forsaking
my marriage bed, my kinsmen and my child,
my favorite, now full-grown,
and the lovely comradeship of women my own age.
Death never came, so now I can only waste away in tears..."

Helen assails herself, even more sharply, at other points in the poem. Right here, at the dawn of the west, a certain familiar sexual politics seems to be in play.

In our view, a certain "hall of mirrors" connection links our embrace of Stormy Daniels to the ten-year siege of Troy. Today, as then, it almost strikes us this way:

In the end, the only thing we humans actually care about is the question of who gets access to the women. 

We don't need no stinking "issues." In the end, we only care about matters like that. 

So it went in the siege of Troy, but also in the silly, embarrassing criminal charges lodged against Donald J. Trump. So it went in the ludicrous claim that we needed to know if he had engaged in consensual sex, on that one occasion ten years before, before we could know how to vote.

Red America's thought leaders are routinely just this side of insane. But it seems to us, if you know how to squint, that Blue America's vaunted thought leaders are a giant embarrassment too.

How did we ever reach this place? Also, who has been more ridiculous in the past forty years, Red thought leaders or Blue?

Tomorrow: "A [democracy], if you can keep it."


Possibly well worth watching!

WEDNESDAY, JUNE 19, 2024

Willie Mays, in the beginning, playing stickball with the kids: The MLB Network posted the video three years ago, on the occasion of his 90th birthday.

Buck O'Neil provided the recollection. 

It was video of the very young Willie Mays, way back in the very beginning, out in the street with the neighborhood kids, then off to the coffee shop.

"They'd knock on my window at 9 o'clock," the subject of the video said: 

Stickball and Ice Cream with Willie Mays 

Such was the headline placed on it. 

"We didn't have any losers," he said. Video evidence offered.

Greg Gutfeld actually gets something right!

WEDNESDAY, JUNE 19, 2024

And yes, you read that correctly: Is it possible that "our democracy" has already died? 

Is it possible that it has died in the manner of The Sixth Sense? In a way where it's dead and gone, but we are unable to notice?

As a matter of basic theory, everyone knows that a democracy is more than a bunch of elections. Eventually, the leading authority on the system gets around to the familiar highlighted point:

Democracies may use many different decision-making methods, but majority rule is the dominant form. Without compensation, like legal protections of individual or group rights, political minorities can be oppressed by the "tyranny of the majority". Majority rule involves a competitive approach, opposed to consensus democracy, creating the need that elections, and generally deliberation, be substantively and procedurally "fair"," i.e. just and equitable. In some countries, freedom of political expression, freedom of speech, and freedom of the press are considered important to ensure that voters are well informed, enabling them to vote according to their own interests and beliefs.

In some countries, freedom of the press is considered important. Its purpose:

To ensure that the voters in a democracy get to be well informed.

As a matter of basic theory, you may need a competent press to maintain a functioning democracy. In our country, we have a 59-year-old former editor of Stuff offering a joke like this on a primetime weeknight program on our most-watched "cable news" channel:

GUTFELD (6/19/24): Speaking of the Clintons, Bill and Hillary will headline a fund-raiser for Biden later this month in Virgina.

Hillary hopes to raise money, while Bill hopes to raise an erection.

As you can see by clicking this link, the termagant was at it again! For the record, it happened at 10:01 p.m.

That was the termagant's second joke. His first joke had turned on the premise that Hillary Clinton may murder Kamala Harris so Clinton herself can run for VP with President Biden this year. 

In his second joke, he turned to his favorite topic—an imagined state of arousal.  By joke 5, hitting his stride, he was offering this:

GUTFELD: Dr. Fauci bragged in a recent interview about turning down a $7 million a year job in the private sector. 

He thought about taking it, but it didn't offer him the opportunity to kill millions of people. 

So it went last night! One more joke about Governor Hochul's laughable face and the termagant transitioned to the evening's first topic for truncated pseudo-discussion.

In Annie Hall, Alvy Singer owned all the books which had "death" in the title. On this prime time "news" program, the termagant owns all the jokes which turns on death or murder or on accusations of murder; on claims that disfavored women are too fat, too old, or simply too ugly; or on braindead dreams about penises—preferably, Hunter Biden's—in a state of erection.

It would be hard to be dumber or more pathetic. And yes, to borrow from Ezra Pound, and yet this is us.

If our most-watched "news channel" functions that way, is it possible that "our democracy" has already died? Is it possible that the death has already occurred, whether anyone has noticed or not?

We'll let Gutfeld throw that out for discussion by his collection of former VJs and professional wrestlers! Last night, his four-member panel included Tyrus, "a former NWA Worlds Heavyweight Champion," but also Chael Sonnen, "an American submission grappling promoter, mixed martial arts (MMA) analyst, and retired mixed martial artist."

If a primetime program of that type gets peddled as news and no one notices, could that mean that our own version of "sacred Troy" has already died?

For today, we offer a tip of the hat to Mediaite's Colby Hall for his thoughtful, thoroughly sensible essay about the current functioning of MSNBC. His essay appears beneath the headline shown below. We think the essay is nuanced and sensible, sane and thoroughly fair:

The Media Labeled Fox News ‘State Run TV’ Under Trump. Is MSNBC Getting a Pass Under Biden?

That's the headline on Hall's piece, in which—for the record—he has nothing good to say about what takes place at Fox. 

Sadly, we're forced to score the essay as fundamentally sane and balanced. That said, back over to Fox:

The termagant was in his normal zones as he opened last evening's program. That said, he had made an accurate statement five hours earlier, in his other role as co-host of The Five.

Yesterday, that program's panelists took turns saying that only the liberals distort the news. It's simply never done on Fox, and certainly not on The Five!

Tomorrow, we'll transcribe some of those wonderfully comical comments. We'll also show you the text of something the termagant said—and yes! His statement was perfectly accurate, and his criticism was perfectly fair!

In our view, Colby Hall was tough but fair in his critique of Blue America's dreary, declining "cable news" dreamscape. One day before Hall's piece appeared, Greg Gutfeld lodged a stone-cold accurate complaint, right there on The Five!

On The Five, he had no wrestlers to back up his claim. We'll do that right here, on the morrow.


PROPHECY: Has "our democracy" already died?

WEDNESDAY, JUNE 19, 2024

The Iliad meets The Sixth Sense: Once again, we're prepared to admit it:

We awoke on Saturday thinking of a set of immortal lines.

As of yesterday, we were regretting the fact that we did! But as we first admitted on Monday, the lines in question came from Book Six of the Iliad, with Hector telling Andromache, "his generous wife," why he had to return to the battle which was raging on the plains outside Troy:

And tall Hector nodded, his helmet flashing:
All this weighs on my mind too, dear woman.
But I would die of shame to face the men of Troy
and the Trojan women trailing their long robes
if I would shrink from battle now, a coward.
Nor does the spirit urge me on that way.
I've learned it all too well. To stand up bravely,
always to fight in the front ranks of Trojan soldiers.
winning my father great glory, glory for myself.
For in my heart and soul I also know this well:
the day will come when sacred Troy must die,
Priam must die and all his people with him
...

As November's election approached—as next week's debate approached—we awoke on Saturday morning thinking of Hector's prophecy. Also, we thought of a corresponding prophecy, one widely heard in today's Blue America:

If Candidate Trump returns to the White House, "our democracy" itself may die.

("Our democracy," such as it is—such as it ever has been.)

By yesterday, we were sorry that we had decided to focus on those rhyming prophecies. 

What may be coming to our own Blue America is hard to discuss. As we noted on Monday, here's what happened to sacred Troy after Hector was slain by Achilles, with his body dragged through the dust behind the rage-filled warrior's chariot:

The whole poem has been moving toward this duel between the two champions, but there has never been any doubt about the outcome. The husband and father, the beloved protector of his people, the man who stands for the civilized values of the rich city, its social and religious institutions, will go down to defeat at the hands of this man who has no family, who in a private quarrel has caused the death of many of his own fellow soldiers, who now in a private quarrel thinks only of revenge...

The images of that night assault—the blazing palaces, the blood running in the streets, old Priam butchered at the altar, Cassandra raped in the temple, Hector's baby son thrown from the battlements, his wife Andromache dragged off to slavery—all this, foreshadowed in the Iliad, will be stamped indelibly on the consciousness of the Greeks throughout their history, immortalized in lyric poetry, in tragedy, on temple pediments and painted vases, to reinforce the stern lesson of Homer's presentation of the war: that no civilization, no matter how rich, no matter how refined, can long survive once it loses the power to meet force with equal or superior force.

According to legend, so it went when sacred Troy died—when the more civilized Hector fell to the powerful, rage-filled warrior who had only revenge on his mind.

As every later Greek citizen knew, Hector's prophecy in Book Six turned out to be accurate. Our current, rhyming prophecy starts to be tested on CNN next Thursday night.

Here in Blue America, we perceive ourselves to be the more "refined" of our nation's dueling civilizations. We picture ourselves as the ones who embody the "civilized values" of the Iliad's Troy, while our fellow citizens in Red America are the ones who have aligned themselves with a man who (in effect) has no family, has caused the death of many of his own fellow soldiers, who now in a private quarrel thinks only of revenge.

T our ear, a lot of rhyming is going on in the present circumstance. Also, we'll admit it! We're fascinate by the varied "sexual politics" on display in that first "poem of war."

In modern parlance, Troy's civilization is portrayed as the civilization of "family values." By way of contrast, the invading Achaean armies embody a civilization of "toxic masculinity."

In his lengthy introduction to the 1990 Robert Fagles translation, Professor Knox sketches the contrast. In this passage, he's discussing Hector's speech to Andromache, the speech we've briefly excerpted above:

[Andromache] begs him to cease fighting in the forefront of the hand-to-hand battle on the plain, to adopt a defensive strategy and command from the walls. Hector's sad reply reveals his tragic dilemma. His feeling for her prompts him to accept her suggestion but he cannot do it. He is the leader, the commander, as his name suggests: Hector means "Holder." He is the one who holds the Trojan defense steady by his example and he must fight in the front ranks. In any case, the standards of martial valor by which he has always lived will not permit it.

[...]

But deep in his heart he knows that the effort is futile, that Troy is doomed. He realizes what that will mean for her and hopes that he will not live to hear her cries as she is led off to slavery. He is distracted from this dark vision of the future by the terrified cries of his own baby son, who recoils screaming from the bronze-clad man who moves to embrace him. Forebodings of the future, no matter how well-founded, have to be brushed aside if life is to go on, and Hector now speaks in more hopeful terms as he prays that his son will grow up to be a greater man than his father and then comforts his sorrowing wife. This scene reveals the greatness of Hector as a complete man; we see not only the devotion of the warrior who does his duty and fights for his people, even though he knows that they are doomed, but also his greatness as a husband and fathera striking contrast with the atmosphere of the armed camp on the shore.

The scenes in question must be among the greatest ever hatched by the western world's collective intelligence. But in that account by Professor Knox, we see the clash of civilizations in the Iliad applied to the realm of sexual politics, with Hector portrayed as a loving husband and father, Achilles as a rage-filled, highly toxic killing machine.

For ourselves, we think that Professor Knox overstated the greatness of Hector's sexual politics—his greatness "as a complete man." More on that before the week is done. For now, we'll leave it at this:

Here in Blue America, we tend to portray our nation's current culture clash in terms which resemble those lodged in the quoted passage. 

Good God! How we've been inclined, down through the years, to flatter ourselves for our stances in our nation's culture wars, and to flatter no one but ourselves!

Meanwhile, without providing a spoiler alert, we've given away the outcome! After sacred Troy dies, noble Hector's generous wife is dragged away in slavery. Nor does the horror end there:

Their baby son—"the darling of his eyes and radiant as a star"—is thrown to his death from the high walls of the defeated city.

Hector's sister is raped in the temple. Priam is butchered at the altar, in line with his noble son's prophecy. 

The more refined, more civilized society dies at the hands of the angrier, more primitive gang of lunatics who have been gathered at the shore, demanding that they get Helen back.

What will happen if President Bidne can't hold his own next Thursday night? Within the context of modern framing, Blue America's rhyming prophecy foresees a similar end for "our democracy," such as it ever has been.

We still want to show you the lines in which Hector and Andromache converse in Book Six, in the several famous scenes which occur before Hector rejoins the battle. (He returns home safely that day.)

We still want to suggest that the sexual politics of that scene brilliantly echoes our own today—our own sexual politics, to the extent that we in Blue America have ever had any such creature.

We Blues! Persistently, we flatter ourselves with the idea that we possess such civilized values. For today, we'll leave it at this:

"Our democracy," such as it ever has been, has already died!  It died in the pages of our childish journalism over the course of the past forty years, as we denizens of Blue America persistently failed to see what was occurring.

The woods are lovely, dark and deep, but those of us in Blue America are "people people" too. We aren't the brilliant, superior, civilized beings of our fertile imaginations

There's nothing wrong with that! But as in The Sixth Sense, so too here:

"Our democracy" is already dead! It's been dead for quite a while. We just aren't able to see this!

Tomorrow: We soldier on


Everyone loves what the Chief Justice said!

TUESDAY, JUNE 18, 2024

"Truth pirate" stymied by Roberts: As a general matter, we have an unfavorable view of Lauren Windsor and her surreptitious audiotapes.

Windsor may be completely sincere in her self-celebrated role as a "relentless truth pirate." That said, our general view would be this:

God save our floundering Blue America from the (well-intentioned) efforts of people like Windsor! 

In fairness, we'll also say this:

Everyone liked what Chief Justice Roberts said when he was surreptitiously taped by Windsor this year. As has been widely noted, he took the appropriately judicious view. 

The Chief Justice didn't know he was being taped—but that didn't seem to matter! As you can see from the (amazingly brief) tape which Windsor has released, her first question went like this:

WINDSOR: I just want to ask something. I want to be totally appropriate with the, you know, jurisprudence of it all. 

But you know, just to be totally candid, like how do we get America back to a place of like, really, like less polarization? Because I feel like the Court is undergoing this period of turmoil. Like, people don't trust in, I think—just the, like this is like the last bastion of, I think, like public trust, and how do we get back to that?

The trap had been set for Roberts! By now, almost everyone has agreed that he adopted the appropriate stance.

In what follows, we'll drop a brief comment regarding press coverage of the Court. Here's the rest of the exchange, as recorded by Windsor:

ROBERTS (continuing directly): I wish I knew. I don’t know...I really don’t know. 

I mean, ordinary people—"ordinary" isn't the right word. American citizens in general need to work on this, to try to heal this polarization, because it’s very dangerous. I do believe it's very dangerous.

WINDSOR: I think it's taking us to the brink of, you know, very serious and perhaps, like non-repairable rifts in the country. I for one am someone like, I support your ruling on Dobbs. I support like— 

I am very pro-life. But like, you know, I don't know how we bridge that gap. You know, like how do we get people

ROBERTS: I wish I knew. I wish I knew. I don't know. It's not—I don't think it's something we can do.  

WINDSOR: But the Court can't do anything [unintelligible]?

ROBERTS: We have a very defined role, and we need to do what we're supposed to do. But this is a bigger problem. This is way above us. So, I wish I knew the answer, I do.

Chief Justice Roberts is pro-life too—but he skillfully slid past the bait! He bemoaned the nation's polarization, even concerning abortion rights, but he said it isn't the role of the Supreme Court to fix situations like that. 

(Or like, you know, something like that. The exchanges on these tapes are so brief that it's hard to say exactly what has been said.)

"We have a very defined role," the Chief Justice said, "and we need to do what we're supposed to do."

"This is way above us," he added. He said polarization is a problem, but solving that problem isn't a task which falls within the Court's purview.

Everyone loves what Roberts said when he was taped by Windsor! But as you may already know, that isn't a transcript of Windsor's (very brief) Q-and-A with Chief Justice Roberts.

In fact, that's the transcript of her (very brief) exchange with Justice Alito back in 2023. His statements were so anodyne that she didn't release the tape or transcript at the time. For unknown reasons, she stuck this year-old transcript on the end of the tape of her extremely brief recent exchange with Alito—their extremely brief Q-and-A from 2024.

Did Alito make crazy statements this time around? On balance, we'd have to say no. But at times like these—at times of tribal polarization and fear of defeat—members of warring tribes are prepared to believe whatever negative thing they're told about whatever some targeted figure has said. 

So it has gone with this bombshell report from this high profile "truth pirate." 

The woods are lovely dark and deep, but our flailing nation has been playing this type of game for a very long time now. On balance, it has worked poorly for Blue America's interests. That said, our behavior isn't likely to change.

In our view, this has been the latest unhelpful "creative paraphrase" show. On balance, these endless shows have worked very poorly for progressive and liberal interests. Your mileage, of course, may differ. 

You can watch Windsor's amazingly brief chunks of tape, from 2023 and 2024, just by clicking here.

Warning! You'll be hearing a lot of verbiage from Windsor, much less from Alito himself!

We know, we know—you disagree! So these episodes tend to go. Do we need to find ways to do better?


PROPHECY: Bannon's supporters are outside the gates!

TUESDAY, JUNE 18, 2024

How did it get this far? Will President Biden get re-elected this year? No one can say at this point.

If he loses—is Donald J. Trump returns to the White House—what happens after that? Routinely, prophets here in Blue America say "our democracy" would be destined to die, not unlike sacred Troy.

They say our democracy will cease to exist. We can't swear that that's wrong.

When it finally came, the fall of Troy moved well past violent toward vicious. Recently, we posted an excerpt in which the late Bernard Knox summarized those events. 

The excerpt comes from Professor Knox's lengthy introduction to Robert Fagles' 1990 translation of the Iliad.  As the excerpt begins, Hector has been slain by Achilles—and sacred Troy is thus destined to die. 

Hector, the more noble warrior, has been slain by a brute. Knox's portrait of the two civilizations at war in that day mirrors the way we in Blue America tend to picture our two Americas today:

The whole poem has been moving toward this duel between the two champions, but there has never been any doubt about the outcome. The husband and father, the beloved protector of his people, the man who stands for the civilized values of the rich city, its social and religious institutions, will go down to defeat at the hands of this man who has no family, who in a private quarrel has caused the death of many of his own fellow soldiers, who now in a private quarrel thinks only of revenge...And the death of Hector seals the fate of Troy; it will fall to the Achaeans, to become the pattern for all time of the death of a city. 

The images of that night assault—the blazing palaces, the blood running in the streets, old Priam butchered at the altar, Cassandra raped in the temple, Hector's baby son thrown from the battlements, his wife Andromache dragged off to slavery—all this, foreshadowed in the Iliad, will be stamped indelibly on the consciousness of the Greeks throughout their history, immortalized in lyric poetry, in tragedy, on temple pediments and painted vases, to reinforce the stern lesson of Homer's presentation of the war: that no civilization, no matter how rich, no matter how refined, can long survive once it loses the power to meet force with equal or superior force.

In the tenth year of their siege, the barbarians finally burst through the gates. Foreshadowing themes from this very year, they exact their revenge on the more civilized society which has been holding them off.

In Blue America, we tend to picture ourselves as the ones with the civilized values. Certain behaviors by certain others will inevitably tend to suggest that this flattering self-portrait may be justified.

Last night, Rachel Maddow played fairly extensive videotape of a modern-day barbarian who is loudly and aggressively perched at the current-day gates.

The person in question is Steve Bannon. Briefly, the tape of Bannon was joined by videotape of Marjorie Taylor Greene, telling Dr. Anthony Fauci that he should be arrested and charged with a giant number of deaths.

As for Bannon, he was shown, in excerpts from various presentations, calling for arrests and deaths after Trump returns to the White House. The videotape includes a speech by Bannon at last weekend's Turning Point Action conference.

Bannon doesn't directly speak for Donald J. Trump at this point. Perhaps for that reason, last weekend's speech largely went unreported.

CNN did publish a full report on Bannon's address. Headline included, the CNN report starts like this:

Bannon vows Trump’s opponents will be prosecuted in a second term

Steve Bannon, a longtime ally of Donald Trump, vowed investigations and prosecutions of those who have probed the former president and his political allies, declaring at a conservative gathering Saturday that Inauguration Day in 2025 will be “accountability day.”

Pointing to Trump’s recent conviction in New York, Bannon told a crowd at Turning Point Action’s “The People’s Convention” in Detroit, hours before Trump was scheduled to speak, that the former president’s allies are going to “get every single receipt.”

“You are going to be investigated, prosecuted and incarcerated,” he said. “This has nothing to do with retribution. It has nothing to do with revenge. Because retribution and revenge might be another order of magnitude. This has to do with justice.”

Bannon was referring to recent comments by Trump vowing to be his supporters’ “retribution” and saying that “sometimes revenge can be justified.”

According to CNN's report, Bannon told the crowd they are the “vanguard of this revolution." "We are not prepared to be governed by criminals,” the former Trump adviser said.

Media Matters posted tape of the way Bannon ended his speech. You can see the video here. That said, here is the gentleman's text:

BANNON (6/15/24): Between now and Election Day they're going to try to take out so many people and that's where it's next man up, its next woman up. Are you prepared to fight? Are you prepared to give it all? Are you prepared to leave it all on the battlefield?

[AUDIENCE ROARS]

I can't hear you! And they can't hear you!

AUDIENCE: USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!

BANNON: Ladies and gentlemen, it's very simple. Victory or death!!

The Achaean invaders exacted revenge. So, it might seem, would Bannon. For ourselves, we'll go with the famous question famously posed in The Godfather:

How did it get this far?

Maddow played extensive tape of this particular "barbarian at the gates." For the record, we don't know what a President Trump will do if he returns to the White House.

That said, an enormous division has come to exist within the realm we call "our democracy." How did it ever get this far? 

The answer takes us back at least forty years. In part, it involves the competence, or lack of same, possessed by our journalistic and academic minders, by our corporate "guardians."

Just how sharp are Blue America's "thought leaders"—for example, the ones we see on TV? 

Almost everyone will look good compared to a player like Bannon. For now, we're going to leave it right there, with Bannon screaming at the gates and a widespread prophecy producing a bit of an historical rhyme.

Will President Biden get re-elected this year? We may get a clearer reading on that question next Thursday night.

That said, those of us in Blue America are inclined to picture ourselves as the ones who are refined, civilized, like the population which died along with sacred Troy.

In truth, we may be a bit less impressive than we're inclined to think. Tomorrow, we'll try to get our own current rumination back on track.

For today, we'll leave Steve Bannon screaming at the gates. In Blue America, thought leaders continue to say that "our democracy" may be destined to die.

How did it ever get this far? What can we do to stave off defeat?

Those are extremely good questions. Whoever wins the election this year, we'll guess that hard times lie ahead.

Tomorrow: Sexual politics, then and now


We don't believe in terrible people?

MONDAY, JUNE 17, 2024

We may have to rethink that stance: For the record, Rachel Manteuffel isn't (exactly) a columnist at the Washington Post.

Her (very occasional) opinion columns are few and quite far between. She is described the following way on what seems to be her official bio page:

Rachel Manteuffel

Washington, D.C.
Op-ed administrator

Rachel Manteuffel works in the Editorial department and writes op-eds and features.

Officially, Manteuffel seems to be an "op-ed administrator," whatever that means. Her recent, whimsical column appeared under this dual headline:

How one delightful channel soothed my election-year angst
The perfect opposite of our rage-frothing politics? Watching a cheetah who is best friends with a dog.

In the whimsical column, Manteuffel did indeed write about "a cheetah who is best friends with a dog." 

More on that below. For now, let's take our exploration just a bit further:

Based on the listings shown on that official page, the column about election-year angst and the friendly cheetah seems to have been Manteuffel's second column of this calendar year. 

It seems to have been her fourth column in the past two years. Fuller disclosure:

In October 2022, she also authored a Washington Post Magazine essay which appeared beneath this headline:

Why are so many shopping carts missing from my grocery store? An investigation.

In short, aside from her regular work as an "op-ed administrator," Manteuffel is a verry occasional writer for the Post. When she does publish a piece, her work is often, though not always, whimsical or tongue in cheek.

Her column about the friendly cheetah appeared on-line last Wednesday. In the column, she described a delightful cable channel she recently discovered—a channel from the San Diego Zoo.

She discovered the channel when she recently spent a day and a night in the hospital for some undisclosed medical reason. Manifestly, she didn't say that she was being treated for some sort of "lefty" nervous breakdown related to election angst.

Last night, four terrible people at the Fox News Channel decided to add that grimy claim into the mix as part of their Red Nation fun. Simply put, there's nothing people like these won't do to keep those cable checks coming.

We've often said that, as a general matter, we don't believe in terrible people and don't think you should either. (We do believe in terrible conduct.) We're prepared to consider making a change with respect to last night's work by these four stunningly egregious Fox News Channel hacks:

Tom Shillue, Fox News Contributor
Tammy Bruce, Fox News Contributor
Julie Banderas, Fox News anchor
David Webb, Fox News contributor

If there were such a thing as terrible people, we'd have four right there.

The four appeared as panelists for the full hour on last night's routinely braindead Big Weekend Show. In a garbage can segment which started at 7:38 p.m., the group made mincemeat out of Manteuffel and out of her recent column, which they had quite likely never read.

It's hard to believe what people will do to keep receiving those cable news checks. 

We'll grade Shillue as the most egregious, given the fact that he's a regular on the gruesome Gutfeld! primetime program. Bruce has been hacking it out on Fox for decades, initially distinguishing herself as the now-conservative former president of Los Angeles NOW.

We won't stoop to the level of describing the contents of last night's segment. If you want to watch a group of seals turn tricks for their fish, you can start by clicking here.

It's stunning, though highly instructive, to see what people will do to keep those checks rolling in. Is the work really better on our Blue Tribe channels?

We'll say perhaps yes, by a hair.  

Manteuffel wrote a whimsical column. No, the column wasn't "political" or partisan in any particular sense.

One commenter after another said how much they'd enjoyed the column. Commenters always like her (very occasional) columns.

At that point, the hacks arrived. We humans have always been like this!


PROPHECY: Sacred Troy must die, he said!

MONDAY, JUNE 17, 2024

Is history rhyming this year? It's one of western literature's first great scenes. It's part of a wider collection of scenes, involving an array of memorable characters.

We refer to the scene, in the Iliad's Book Six, where "Hector of the flashing helmet" issues an accurate prophecy.

Hector was a prince of Troy. His father, Priam, was the king of that wealthy walled city, which has been under siege for more than nine years as the famous "poem of war" begins.

By most assessments, Hector is the most upstanding character in the Iliad. According to Greek mythology, the gods had given his sister the gift of prophecy, but only with an attendant curse—her prophecies, though accurate, would never be believed. 

That said, Cassandra is barely mentioned in the Iliad. It's Hector who serves as a prophet, right there in Book Six, still early in the poem.

Heading off to a fight from which he wouldn't necessarily return, Hector rejects the plea by Andromache, "his warm, generous wife," that he remain safely behind magnificent Troy's high walls.

In his reply, Hector gives voice to the ancient warrior ethic—an ancient ethic which is bred deep in our species' bones. Also this:

As he rejects the plea of his generous wife, he issues an accurate prophecy. What follows is a small but telling part of what he says:

I would die of shame to face the men of Troy
and the Trojan women trailing their long robes
if I would shrink from battle now, a coward.
Nor does the spirit urge me on that way.
I've learned it all too well. To stand up bravely,
always to fight in the front ranks of Trojan soldiers.
winning my father great glory, glory for myself.
For in my heart and soul I also know this well:
the day will come when sacred Troy must die,
Priam must die and all his people with him...

The day will come when sacred Troy must die! So says Hector to his wife, as part of a much longer, brutal prophecy.

As every future Greek citizen knew, Hector had issued an accurate prophecy. His prophecy included the fate of his own father "and all his people with him." 

(He also prophesied what would happen to his wife after sacred Troy had died. We'll show you that startling part of his prophecy before the week is through.)

At any rate, The day will come when sacred Troy must die! We'll admit it:

We awoke, this past Saturday morning, recalling that sacred line. In the current staging of this ancient story, the role of Priam is being played by President Biden, who either will, or possibly won't, get re-elected this year.

Can President Biden get re-elected? We often find it hard to believe that he will—but then too, he certainly might. 

That said, also this:

We've long been told, in Blue America, that if President Biden falls, "our democracy" will likely fall with him. According to that ubiquitous prophecy, our democracy, such as it is, is likely to die.

That prophecy has been widely issued within our own Blue America. As such, a basic question arises:

Might Blue America, along with its professed ideals, start to meet the fate of Troy before the year is through?

Back to the ancient text:

By the end of the Iliad, it's clear that Hector's prophecy will turn out to be accurate. Hector has been killed in combat by Achilles. His body has been dragged through the dust before the walls of Troy as his father looks on.

It's clear that Hector's aim was true. How about the corresponding prophecy we hear on Morning Joe?

At this site, we continue to shrink from the pain of watching Blue America's "thought leaders" as they attempt to discuss the current election campaign. Beyond that, we hold to our own deathless bromide: 

Everything we ever needed to know we learned from reading the Iliad.

The Iliad is full of brilliant storytelling. It's full of brilliantly shaped dramatic scenes—narrations engineered through hundreds of years of the familiar folk process. 

By way of contrast:

Here in Blue America, our attempts at conducting a discourse have become an embarrassing mess. Our discourse has long since come to resemble a clown show, in ways which we, the people of Blue America, may not be equipped to notice.

It's been that way for at least forty years. We just keep coming back for more, more from the usual suspects. 

Can President Biden get re-elected? If not—indeed, even if so—what will happen next? 

Concerning the first of those questions, we'll get the start of an answer next week, when the president is scheduled to engage in a debate with Candidate Donald J. Trump.

Assuming the event takes place, can President Biden emerge in viable form as a candidate? 

We were encouraged by video clips from yesterday's event in Hollywood. In the larger sense, we'll all start to find out next week. 

Meanwhile, Blue America's "thought leaders" continue to offer a master class in the limits of human capability. A relentless gong show is offered on Fox. By this point, our own nation's "favorite reporters and friends" are almost as bad.

Here in Blue America, we've descended to the point where we're surreptitiously taping utterly pointless conversations with public figures' wives. Where we're claiming that we need to know who may have zoomed who, on one alleged occasion ten years before, before we can know how to vote.

How the gods on Olympus must laugh at these imitations of life!

Is our Blue America—is our Blue American civilization, as least as we imagine it—destined to meet the fate of sacred Troy by the end of this year? Also, how did we get to the place where that seems like a real possibility?

We'll examine those questions this week, drawing upon western literature's first great surviving text. 

History doesn't repeat itself, we're often told. History doesn't repeat itself, but it frequently rhymes.

At present, we think we might be hearing a bit of rhyming as we consider an ancient text.

In the Iliad, a great and wealthy, civilized city is destined to fall after ten years of a brutal siege—a brutal siege conducted by a brutal invading force. In his lengthy introduction to Robert Fagles' 1990 translation, the late Bernard Knox offered this overview of the contrast between those civilizations:

The first city we hear of in Greek literature is Troy. It is characteristic of the Iliad's tragic viewpoint that this city, the literary prototype of all Greek cities. is to be destroyed. The poem ends before Troy falls, but we are left in no doubt about its fate. 

One of the deep sources of the tragic force of the Iliad is that the city of Troy is doomed, doomed go down in fire and slaughter under the assault of the Achaeans, whose cities are far away and half-forgotten in the long siege, whose home for ten years has been the raw world of tent shelters and beached ships.

[...]

Inside Troy the manners of civilized life are preserved; there are restraints on anger, there is courtesy to opponents, kindness to the weak—things that have no place in the armed camp on the shore. 

[...]

But Troy is not at peace: it is under siege, and by men who mean to raze it from the face of the earth. The arts of peace are useless now. Troy will not be saved by the magnanimity and tender-heartedness of Priam...If it is to survive it will do so because of the devotion, courage and incessant efforts of one man, Priam's son Hector. 

Back then, this fight was all about access to "Helen, radiance of woman." In Blue America, we recently conducted a criminal trial about one candidate's reported access to Stormy Daniels. 

More on sexual politics to follow. For now, we'll offer this:

When Hector falls, it's clear that Troy itself is going to fall. Troy is a magnificent, civilized city, but it's been under siege, for almost ten years, by a gang of lunatics who want to get Helen back.

We've shown you only one small part of Professor Knox's portrait. That said, has history started to rhyme?

At substantial length, Professor Knox creates a portrait of the civilizations which are at war in the Iliad. His portrait rhymes with the way we Blue Americans tend to portray our failing nation's current political dispute.

Over here in Blue America, we portray ourselves as civilized, nuanced, intelligent, decent. We persistently see ourselves as under siege by a group of modern-day Achaeans—by a gang of deplorables, "barbarians at the gates."

You can assess that portrait of Red America as you will. But is history possibly starting to rhyme, in a way which might be instructive?

Hector knew that Troy would die. Over here in Blue America, is "our democracy" destined to die if President Biden loses to the invaders this year?

On Morning Joe (and everywhere else), they keep repeating that prophecy. Depending on what happens this year, that prophecy could of course turn out to be painfully accurate.

Is there something we can learn from the western world's first great poem? At the very least, can we elevate our frame of reference as we wait to see what happens next week, and in the years to come? 

Tomorrow: As told to Hector's wife


SATURDAY: Has our nation's crime rate been decreasing?

SATURDAY, JUNE 15, 2024

Also, Wallace baffled: Have crime rates been dropping in this country?

On our own, we can't say! Late yesterday, in this report, we presented a dueling pair of approaches to that significant question:

We excerpted a detailed report by Kevin Drum about the way the FBI assembles its crime data. 

Also, we showed you excerpts from a recent interview in which TV's silliest child chuckled his way through a segment in which a guest assured the nation that no such thing is occurring. And certainly not under Biden!

The silliest child to whom we refer is the Fox News Channel's Jesse Watters. To make matters a bit more clear, Watters and a guest were articulating the official position, or positions, of Red America's pundit class:

The FBI says that crime rates are down. But the FBI is simply lying on Biden's behalf, and/or it's really the reports of crime which are currently down. (Crime victims no longer bother.)

At present, those are the things you're being told if you live in Red America. Viewers who watch the Fox News Channel have been told such things again and again.

On their own, they aren't positioned to say that such claims are untrue.

At present, we live in two Americas—Red America and Blue. On this, as on an array of major topics, you'll hear vastly different claims, depending on which of those two nations you inhabit.

It's hard to run a large modern nation that way. Also, it's hard to run a country with "thought leaders" like Nicolle Wallace scripting our own Blue America's troops.

Nothing much will ever turn on Wallace's recent befuddlement. That said, it helps illustrate a basic point:

If you live in Blue America, you shouldn't assume that "our favorite reporters friends"—the people we're repeatedly told to trust—possess even the simplest levels of basic competence.

Quickly, let's run through this dreck:

Last weekend, Candidate Trump engaged in a rather strange digression during a speech at a Las Vegas campaign event.

He was making a larger claim in opposition to the spread of electric vehicles.  Along the way, for a couple of minutes, he rambled off with one of his weird digressions:

In this digression, he imagined a boat sinking beneath the weight of an electric motor, with at least one shark nearby. Along the way, he praised himself for the brilliance of his rumination.

Trump has engaged in this weird digression before. Rightly or wrongly—wrongly, we will guess—Wallace presented it as evidence that Trump is mentally impaired in a way which will, or at least should, bring him down as a candidate.

You can judge that one as you will. Today, ponder this about Wallace:

In each of the week's first three days, Wallace lamented the fact that she couldn't find a full tape of Trump's Las Vegas speech. To see her saying this on Wednesday (Day 3!), you can start by clicking here.

No, it doesn't exactly "matter"—but good God! 

At this site, we had long since looked at the fuller context of Trump's digression by turning to the obvious source. Through no particular act of brilliance, we had accessed the videotape of the full Las Vegas speech as provided by C-Span

JUNE 9, 2024

Campaign 2024
Former President Trump Holds Rally in Las Vegas

Former President Trump held a campaign rally in Las Vegas, where he spoke for about an hour about his 2024 campaign for president and contrasted his policy agenda with that of President Biden.

How hard is that to do? It isn't hard at all! But judging from three days of whining, neither Wallace, nor any of her overpaid staffers, knew enough to go to C-Span to find the tape of the speech. 

Nor was she told by her favorite friends! After all these years of hapless conduct, this is the best our imported right-wing "cable news" stars can do! 

These are the people we're told to trust—so told by our corporate minders. As we noted in Friday morning's report, these people have failed us again and again, then again and again, over at least the past four decades.

They've failed us again and again and again, and we keep coming back for more!

The woods are lovely, dark and deep. Will President Biden get re-elected?

We expect to examine that question in the coming week. As for Wallace, neither she, nor her staff, knew how to access the full Trump speech. 

Our assessment:

Some of our favorite reporters and friends should stop their incessant reading of script. We know the money is very good, but as an alternate way of life, perhaps they should enter adult life through the purchase of their first clue.


The crime rate is up, the crime rate is down!

FRIDAY, JUNE 14, 2024

Two stories for two Americas: Is the crime rate going up as an ongoing part of our "American carnage?"

If your neighbors and friends watch the Fox News Channel, that's what they're frequently told.

Below, we'll link you to one example. For now, we'll recommend the detailed report by Kevin Drum which appears beneath this headline:

Crime is really and truly down in 2024

"Crime is really and truly down." To the extent that anyone's listening, that's what we're told in Blue America—and no, we aren't saying that statement is wrong.

Kevin's report is quite detailed. He starts with a tweet which voices "the current meme on the right." The tweet in question says this:

"Crime is not down. Crime reporting is."

That actually is a current meme on the right, as we'll show you below. For now, we recommend Kevin's report about the way the FBI gathers crime statistics. Among other things, you'll read this:

Crime is really and truly down in 2024

[...]

For many years the FBI used a crime-reporting system called SRS. But in 2016, after years of testing, they finally announced that they would switch to a substantially improved system called NIBRS by 2021. And they did. Not every police department was ready on time, but the participation level has been rising every year:

About 71% of all police department now submit crime data via NIBRS. Among the 15 largest cities, all are up and running—including New York City—except for Los Angeles and Jacksonville. Both will complete the transition later this year.

In addition, the FBI allows non-NIBRS agencies to report old-school SRS data, which is reformatted and then used to estimate crime in nonreporting cities. So the total agency coverage of the FBI's dataset is actually about 84%.

Now, the old SRS system had about 95% agency coverage, so the coverage of the current system is still lower than it used to be. However, as you might expect, the statisticians in the Department of Justice are keenly aware of this and spent years developing a set of sophisticated methods to estimate the full total...

As he continues, Kevin explains how those sophisticated methods work. Here is his final assessment:

DRUM (6/14/24): The upshot of all this is (a) participation is growing and nearly all big cities are now on board, and (b) the FBI's model accounts for missing cities and makes up for it. The NIBRS transition in 2021 was pretty messy, but since then the kinks have mostly been worked out and the current data is very reliable. Not perfect, but pretty good. If they say crime is down, then crime is down.

That's what you might hear in Blue America. In Red America, several million citizens watched Jesse Watters Primetime on the Fox News Channel this Wednesday night. 

The silly boy's report on crime came midway through his program. After video slips of urban mayhem, TV's silliest child said this:

WATTERS (6/12/24): Crime is so out of control, looters are back and there's not even a reason to riot...In New York, maniacs with knives are now lunging at cops.

So said TV's silliest boy, speaking to millions of viewers. To watch the entire segment, you can start by clicking here.

At 8:37 p.m., the silly child introduced someone who sounded like a reasonably credentialed guest. The first Q-and-A went like this:

WATTERS: Blatant and outrageous crimes occurring on a daily basis, coast to coast. But Biden is running for re-election, so the FBI is telling you crime is down.

Attorney and retired NYPD Inspector Paul Mauro. Paul, the FBI comes out and says crime is waaaaaay down. Is that true?

MAURO: No. All right, so let's just break it out in a very simple way, just from the get-go.

Mauro proceeded to "break it out" in the manner shown:

MAURO (continuing directly): Forty percent of the nation's police departments don't report up to the FBI with their crime numbers. 

WATTERS: Oh! Ha ha ha.

MAURO: And what a coincidence! Let's do the roll call—New York, L.A., Chicago, Baltimore. Washington, D.C., which is federal itself, they don't report to the FBI.

WATTERS: Ha ha ha ha ha.

MAURO: Consequently, what do they have in common? These are all big, blue cities that have high crime rates, and those numbers are not going into the UCR—that's what they're called—the UCR crime reports.

The segment proceeded from there. Already, we seem to have bumped into several gross contradictions.

We'll have more on this topic tomorrow. Kevin offered a detailed report, Watters brought on the juice.

This is the face of a major American problem. We aren't referring to our nation's crime rate. We're referring to a type of information war Blue America's corporate-paid thought leaders generally choose to ignore.

More on this problem tomorrow. At present, it qualifies as "the problem we all live with."


CONSENSUS: What if the guardians walk off their posts?

FRIDAY, JUNE 14, 2024

What if they never existed? As we watched Sunday's Washington Journal, a type of consensus took form.

Amazing! Callers from our own Blue America agreed with callers from the Red America of our neighbors and friends! They agreed on this proposition about November's election:

Our nation's survival is at stake—but only if The Other Guy wins!

If President Biden wins re-election, we'll be losing our republic. If Candidate Trump returns to the White House, our democracy will cease to exist.

We aren't saying that any particular claim is wrong. We're simply noting the unhelpful consensus which now prevails across the fruited plain.

 "Both [sides] read the same Bible and pray to the same God..."

That's what President Lincoln said in his second inaugural address. Six weeks later, he was murdered by a nutcase from one of those sides.

Both sides "pray to the same God, and each invokes his aid against the other?" In a nation which is less religious and more diverse, it's a bit like that today.

If you're watching American "cable news," each side now has its favorite "convicted felon."

(A word of warning: In the political sense, the more dangerous trial of Hunter Biden is the one which is scheduled to start in September. You hear that said on the Fox News Channel, perhaps not on MSNBC.)

Each side has its favorite convicted felon. Also:

As of this morning, their side has President Biden wandering off at the G-7 conference, with Giorgia Miloni rushing to shepherd him back to the fold. Our side has Candidate Trump calling Milwaukee a [BLEEP]hole city and talking about those sharks.

(We're told that the Milwaukee remark may finish him off. Our tribe's thought leaders have been making such predictions ever since Trump made that early remark about the POW status of the late John McCain.)

Plus, we have the surreptitiously taped, carefully curated remarks by Alito. Not just by Justice Alito; but also by his wife. 

(Carefully curated, then helpfully paraphrased. This is the level to which our own failing tribe has now stooped. More on this topic next week.)

On Washington Journal, another type of consensus quickly emerged. Neither side had the slightest idea what the other side could be thinking! 

The first two callers said this:

MODERATOR (6/9/24): So what do you think? Is 2024 the most important election in our history, or in our lifetimes? 

Jim in Washington State, Democrat. What do you think?

JIM FROM WASHINGTON STATE: It definitely is. Why do so many Republicans support a convicted rapist, a convicted fraud, a convicted felon with no shame? I mean, what's wrong with the Republican Party? And that's terrible. Yeah. What—yeah.

MODERATOR: Danny is in Louisville, Kentucky, Republican.  Danny, is this the most important election in history?

DANNY FROM KENTUCKY: Yes. I tell you, I don't know how anybody can't see this has got to be the most important, because if things keep going the way they're going, we ain't gonna have a republic.

You know, just like the other guy said, you know, he's wondering what's wrong with the Republicans. I'm wondering what's wrong with Democrats.

It was "just like the other guy said!" We'd call it a type of consensus! 

(Similar statements of incomprehension punctuated the hour.)

Out of the growing consensus, one dissenter emerged. He didn't want to discuss which candidate is a pedophile, as opposed to which of the candidates can't satisfy his many wives.

The fourth caller was in California, where it was just after 4 a.m. It's as we showed you yesterday. Weirdly, the caller said this:

MODERATOR: This is Gregory, Sherman Oaks, California, Democrat.  Gregory, good morning to you.

GREGORY IN CALIFORNIA: And good morning to you. And this is the most important election, at least in six elections. 

I've heard a bunch of Republicans talk about how we're going to lose our republic, or our Second Amendment rights, or jobs or some other stuff. 

What we're going to lose is our planet. If we don't get behind doing something serious about climate destruction and global heating, all the other issues are going to be dying out, on a planet that is dying out.

It's up to us, in this generation—and this part of this generation now running the show, has the choice whether or not we're going to save the planet from the worst possible effects of climate change and climate destruction and whether we're going to save it by finally cutting back on such things as  fossil fuels subsidies and turning that money to energy efficiency, green energy, climate mitigation and resilience and other environmental and climate remediation. 

We are the generation that gets to save the planet. I would say that one other election really was, like this one, the most important election, and that was the election of the millennial year 2000.

We could have started the third millennium with a president who was going to at least put a foundation on saving the planet by attacking climate change. Of course, that was Al Gore—Albert Gore Jr., the vice president. And instead, we wasted the first decade of this new century and new millennium on a president who gave us climate betrayal, two stupid wars and a financial meltdown, among many other failures.

MODERATOR: That's Gregory in Sherman Oaks, California.  Thank you.

This caller authored a bit of a throwback discussion. He talked about a serious topic, and he recalled an earlier time.

What would a President Gore have done with respect to climate? No one will ever find out.

(In our estimation, his presidency would have been an ongoing nightmare. He would have spent the next four years dealing with claims that he had said that he invented the Internet, and with poisonous claims about the way he hired a woman to teach him how to be a man.)

No one will ever find out. That said, we were struck by this caller's reference to that earlier "most important" campaign. Our reason would go like this:

The caller made no reference to way that earlier "most important election" was covered in the mainstream press. That said, the disintegration of our national discourse was already well underway at that point--not that the thought leaders of Blue America are ever going to say that.

(We refer to Blue America's academics as well as to our journalists.)

In fact, the disintegration of the discourse was driven by the mainstream press corps during that fateful campaign. In the main, it was driven by the MSM—not by the RNC!

(It was an extension of the mainstream press corps' peculiar war against Bill Clinton--a war which began with the New York Times' bungled Whitewater reporting. That initial story was told by Gene Lyons in Fools for Scandal—How the Media Invented Whitewater. The book was published by Harper's magazine and was quickly disappeared.)

Back to Campaign 2000. They had their fun with Al Gore's clothes. They kept inventing crazy statements they would pretend he had made.

Working from within their lack of a sexual politics, they kept insulting Gore as a girly-man—as "today's man/woman." (We're quoting Chris Matthews, who was very influential within the mainstream press at the time.)

On the Sunday before the nation voted, Maureen Dowd published her seventh column focused on Gore's bald spot. She pictured him singing "I Feel Pretty" he stood before a mirror.

This is the way these stars behaved as "our democracy's" most sacred day approached during that fateful year.

In a single report, there is no way to capture the way these idiots behaved in the twenty months leading up to that fateful election. Simply put, the children were angry at President Clinton, who had just escaped removal from office in his impeachment trial 

The vice president hadn't denounced the president to a degree which met their guild's approval. And so they fell to work, for the next twenty months, transferring their enmity over to him.

Everyone knows that this is what happened, but no careerist is ever going to tell you! When we heard that California caller focus on the climate, we thought of one of the craziest manifestations of this twenty-month mainstream press corps war:

We thought of the front-page report in the New York Times in which Michiko Kakutani took a trip to the funny farm as she summarized Candidate Gore's widely praised 1992 book, Earth in the Balance.

The Crazy leaped from the clown car and ran wild that particular day. Of all the crazy moments in the mainstream press corps' "war against Gore," that report by Kakutani—Maureen Dowd's friend—was arguably the weirdest of them all.

Eight years later, Gore would receive the Nobel Peace Prize for his work on climate. (The honor was so great that it even caused the gruesome Frank Rich to reverse his ceaseless trashing of Gore and of Gore's devious motives.)

In 2007, Gore was awarded the Nobel Prize. In November of 1999, the New York Times, on its front page, was way off in the crazy zone in its treatment of the original book.

None of the careerists our tribe is told to trust—none of "our favorite reporters and friends"—are ever going to tell you what happened in that earlier "most important" campaign. 

Our journalists aren't going to tell you. Neither will our tribe's vaunted academics.

(Nor will they tell you the fuller story. The war to which we refer was later extended through the 2016 campaign, helping send Donald J. Trump to the White House. All in all, Maureen Dowd plainly seemed to favor Candidate Trump in that important campaign.)

The Wallaces, the Maddows and the O'Donnells will never tell you such things. That said, we thought of Kakutani's bizarre report as Gregory from Sherman Oaks recalled the possibilities which were lost in the course of that earlier campaign.

Today, stars like Wallace lead you to think that you can trust her "favorites." Her favorites are pictured as our guardians, to steal a term from "a very old book."

Today, Wallace's favorites are Blue America's guardians—or so we're urged to believe. 

That said, who will guard us against the guardians? The question has lingered for thousands of years. We thought of that ancient question as watched Washington Journal this Sunday morning.

In fairness to Plato, successful societies really do need their guardians! We direct you to two scenes from the Best Picture winner, The Godfather:

In one scene, Sonny is killed at a Jersey toll booth when the collectors have all agreed to walk off their posts. 

In another scene, Michael has to scramble to save his father's life in a hospital where he lies unconscious. Once again, the guardians—in this case, the police officer assigned to protect this unconscious patient—have been paid to abandon their posts.

Why did that narrative structure appear two times in that award-winning film? We can't tell you that.

But the people we're told to trust today were never capable players. Beyond that, they were never acting as guardians in the first place.

Today, their general cluelessness remains—and a smiling figure tells you, each day, that these people should be regarded as our tribe's "favorite reporters and friends."

What if our guardians walk off their posts? That is a very good question.

Then too, what if they never existed at all? That's more like the situation we modern Americans face.

The caller from sunny California was pretty much off in the clouds. He was discussing a serious topic in some detail—and our modern journalistic "imitation of life" doesn't function like that. 

(Nor is it clear that our journalists could perform some such task, even if they decided to try.)

We humans are good at building tall buildings. As the later Wittgenstein incoherently noted, we're skilled at little else. 

The people our tribe is told to trust worked to send Candidate Bush (and then Candidate Trump) to the White House. Gregory from Sherman Oaks didn't mention that aspect of that earlier campaign. 

That said, Pepperidge Farm remembers what actually happened.

What if the guardians walk off their posts? Fellow blue tribe citizens, please!

What if the guardians "walk off their posts?" Why can't we turn to the serious question:

 What if they never existed?


Surreptitious taping v. the vulgar and crass!

THURSDAY, JUNE 13, 2024

Where segregation takes us: Is it possible? In our tribal desperation, have we really reached the point where we're surreptitiously taping the spouses of those we oppose? 

Where we're surreptitiously taping their wives—then refusing to release the full audiotape of what was actually said?

(Have we reached the point where we don't understand the likely meaning of the refusal to release the full audiotape? Have we really become that desperate to see our tribal preconceptions fully affirmed?)

We expect to discuss The Alito Wars during next week's posts. But good God! Are we really so desperate thar we now thrill to the surreptitious taping of Supreme Court Justices' wives?

That's part now of our own Blue America. In Red America, Candidate Trump has been criticized this week, by Nicolle Wallace, for his "crass" and "vulgar" public speech.

We're not sure if Wallace knows this, but crass and vulgar are increasingly big in Red America's discourse. Consider last evening's Gutfeld! program.

On the typical evening, the program starts with a "comedy monologue" by its host, followed by an angry "issues monologue." After that, a group of highly unqualified people are invited to recite a selection of scripts.

Increasingly, crass and vulgar are the lingua franca on this weeknight primetime program. For example, this was the very first joke in last night's comedy monologue:

GUTFELD (6/12/24): Happy Wednesday, everyone!

So, Hunter Biden is now a convicted felon. 

[SMATTERING OF APPLAUSE]

Family members say he's upbeat and is already looking forward to the cavity search.

That was the alleged joke. 

All in all, few people laughed. As you can see by clicking here, the second joke did somewhat better:

GUTFELD: Democrat donors will be holding events in swing states to court young voters where they'll offer free beer and emergency birth control.

Guess they're hoping to increase Joe's already substantial lead among drunken whores.

Yes, that was the joke. The third joke went like this:

GUTFELD: The governing body, World Aquatics, upheld its ban on transgender women who have been through male puberty from competing in women's races, which means that Leah Thomas will not be competing in the Olympics.

Leah responded by saying, "Fine. I'll just take my balls and go home."

The appreciative audience laughed. 

The fourth joke involved the termagant's nightly claim (sometimes, his nightly claims) about how fat and ugly the women are on The View. Last evening, the joke went like this:

GUTFELD: Whoopi Goldberg suggested that Congress make a law to stop men from masturbating, prompting men who've seen The View—

[PHOTO OF THE VIEW's COHOSTS APPEARS]

—to say, "You've already done enough."

There are few specific animal species to which they haven't been compared.

The termagant opens this misogynist garbage can every night of the week. We're so old that we can remember when Blue America's news orgs were still pretending that something called #MeToo was in effect and wasn't simply performative.

(At present, such orgs avert their gaze from what's being shoveled at Fox.)

At any rate, so the "comedy" monologue started. As you can see, this small, stunted man—he's 59 years old!—possesses a stunningly limited frame of reference.

For the record, a handful of jokes remained in this opening monologue. According to the seventh joke, Seth Myers is planning to replace his program's band with "a bucket of diarrhea." 

It was hard to tell how that was even supposed to qualify as a joke. The next joke concerned Larry Kudlow's supposed inflatable doll. 

This small, stunted fellow—he's 59!—shovels this dreck in primetime every weeknight. In terms of ratings, he's the biggest star at Fox—in all cable news, in fact.

Also this:

Yesterday afternoon, on The Five, he said that climate change "doesn't exist." For increasingly obvious reasons, this claim has largely disappeared from Red America's propaganda mills, but the termagant is still happy to shovel it out.

Fox has worked with this manifest weirdo for many years now. Way back when, they aired his first experimental nightly program at 3 o'clock in the morning! 

Just a guess! We'll guess they've found that his "humor"-laced presentations constitute a new, even more effective propaganda delivery system. At any rate, his rumination on how fat and ugly liberal women are is doing very big business.

We tape spouses, they shovel dreck! This is the way the world ends when corporate entities, seeking profits, divide the world of "news" into a thoroughly segregated land of Blue and Red—Us and Them.

It will be hard to find our way back out of this dumb, squalid mess. ("Back out of all this now too much for us.") All in all, tribal separation is amazingly easy. Reunification is hard!

"Crass and vulgar," Wallace said. It may be even worse than she knows!


CONSENSUS: President Biden has sent out the clowns!

THURSDAY, JUNE 13, 2024

So said one C-Span caller: A type of consensus quickly emerged as we listened to Sunday's morning's first hour of Washington Journal.

The first four callers quickly agreed. This year's presidential election is the most important election in history—or at least, the most important within our lifetimes.

Callers formed a second type of consensus. They agreed that the nation was facing an existential crisis—but only if the other guy wins: 

If President Biden's win re-election, we'll likely be losing the republic, several callers quickly said. Then again, if Candidate Trump wins a second term, our democracy will soon be gone.

That was perhaps a slightly deformed type of consensus. Borrowing from the early Dylan, we turned to the disillusioned analysts and thoughtfully offered this:

But oh, what kind of consensus is this, which goes from bad to worse?

Along the way, as the hour unfolded, we heard America singing. At some point, each citizen has to answer this question:

Do you actually like "us the people?" Do you actually like "the American people," given the imperfect way we the people so frequently seem to be?

Peculiar phone calls poured in to C-Span—peculiar phone calls from Red America, but from Bue America too. In what was just the morning's third call, C-Span's moderator had already accepted, without a word of comment, the claim that President Biden isn't just senile and a moron, but is a pedophile too. 

That last assertion flew by without comment. At 7:24 a.m., Dennis from Toledo, Iowa countered the claim in this manner:

MODERATOR (6/9/24): Dennis is in Toledo, Iowa—Democrat.

DENNIS FROM IOWA: Well, they're both too old, but I'm for Biden. You had a Trump caller call in and said Biden was a pedophile. Well, it is Trump who is twenty-four years older than his present wife, and he's had many wives.  If he's so great, how come he can't satisfy them? 

And he's been divorced multiple times. They just—they're idiots, these people!

MODERATOR: All right, Dennis in Toledo, Iowa. We appreciate your calling in.

So ran this rebuttal. At 7:37 a.m., Kevin from Illinois offered an alternate view of the nation. He was calling on the Red America line:

MODERATOR: Kevin, Illinois, Republican. 

Kevin, 2024? The most important in history?

KEVIN FROM ILLINOIS: Absolutely. Good morning, sir and thank you for your program and for the people's opinions. It's nice for people to actually, you know, give their opinions.

It's the most important—one of the reasons is financially. The food, the gas—all the nonsense. I'm all about God, and I'm all about Trump...

For the record, the caller is allowed to be "all about God." With the food and the gas, he had actually gotten off to a fairly conventional start.

That said, before too long, he was offering a slightly off-beat observation. President Biden has sent out the clowns!

KEVIN FROM ILLINOIS: ...They're wanting our country to be their country. Now you say, "What is our country?" 

I went to a circus last week, and when I went, it was a foreign circus. I have nothing against foreigners, but there was no clowns. A little boy had a red nose, wanting to go in. The world is changed, and it's changed because of Biden's policies...

According to this C-Span caller, President Biden has sent out the clowns! For the record: In Blue America, we all know which of our bombs to drop on the head of this caller. 

During the hour, callers wandered the countryside, dissecting the coming election. These callers are "us the people" too.

"No people are uninteresting," Yevtushenko inscrutably said. Along the way, each citizen has to decide, at some point, if he or she actually likes "us the people," given the ways we are.

(We often think of President Lincoln when we listen, on weekend mornings, to C-Span's various callers. We think of the way Lincoln is praised for one manifestation of his moral and intellectual genius—for his ability to speak the language of "average people," who were often extremely average on the Illinois frontier.)

A certain type of consensus formed as we listened this past Sunday morning. Quite a few callers agreed—this is the most important election ever, especially if The Other Guy wins.

Very few callers took the discussion in a traditional, "issue"-laden direction. One caller who did was the program's fourth caller. He said this was the most important election in our lifetimes, except for that other campaign.

Gregory form Sherman Oaks, California called on the Democrats' line. He was the fourth caller of the morning, and he seemed to call in from a time warp. 

He followed the call from Dennis in Indiana, who had trashed President Biden in the vilest possible ways. He said this is the most important election—though only in the past six.

This caller walked a loftier road. Like Pepperidge Farm, he remembered:

MODERATOR (6/9/24): That's Dennis in Hudson, Indiana. And this is Gregory, Sherman Oaks, California, Democrat. 

Gregory, good morning to you.

GREGORY IN SHERMAN OAKS: And good morning to you. And this is the most important election, at least in six elections. 

I've heard a bunch of Republicans talk about how we're going to lose our republic, or our Second Amendment rights, or jobs or some other stuff. 

What we're going to lose is our planet. If we don't get behind doing something serious about climate destruction and global heating, all the other issues are going to be dying out, on a planet that is dying out.

It's up to us, in this generation—and this part of this generation now running the show, has the choice whether or not we're going to save the planet from the worst possible effects of climate change and climate destruction and whether we're going to save it by finally cutting back on such things as  fossil fuels subsidies and turning that money to energy efficiency, green energy, climate mitigation and resilience and other environmental and climate remediation. 

We are the generation that gets to save the planet. I would say that one other election really was, like this one, the most important election, and that was the election of the millennial year 2000.

We could have started the third millennium with a president who was going to at least put a foundation on saving the planet by attacking climate change. Of course, that was Al Gore—Albert Gore Jr., the vice president. And instead, we wasted the first decade of this new century and new millennium on a president who gave us climate betrayal, two stupid wars and a financial meltdown, among many other failures.

MODERATOR: That's Gregory in Sherman Oaks, California.  Thank you.

This caller took us all the way back to Campaign 2000. 

According to this fourth caller, we could have elected a climate visionary that year. "That was Al Gore—Albert Gore Jr., the vice president."

Instead, this caller said, "we wasted the first decade of this new century and new millennium." We wasted that decade on a different president—"on a president who gave us climate betrayal, two stupid wars and a financial meltdown, among many other failures."

This caller may have seemed a bit out of touch. A quarter century has passed since coverage of that campaign began in March 1999. During that time, our discourse has disintegrated in a way which was reflected in this particular morning's phone calls.

In Campaign 2000, a certain pretense still prevailed—the pretense that discussion of our campaign was built upon the discussion of important issues. 

Behind that pretense, there lurked the devolution which has brought us to our present place, in which our two Americas compete on the basis of "convicted felons," and our callers wonder about why The Other Guy can't satisfy his various wives.

We liberals! We needed to know about Stormy Daniels! We needed to hear her tell her ridiculous, buckraking story! 

By way of contrast, this throwback caller from Sherman Oaks wanted to discuss the destruction of the planet. They don't discuss that, or pretty much anything else, on our own Blue America's present-day "cable news" channel. 

How did we ever get to this place? Tomorrow, not unlike Pepperidge Fram, we'll try to help you remember. As of last Sunday, this:

Some of the callers talked circuses, wives. They too are "us the people." We may not regard them as neighbors and friends, but they're plainly our fellow citizens.

We leave you today with a basic question. How much sharper than these callers are "our favorite reporters and friends"—the vastly overpaid corporate employees who script our own Blue America?

President Biden has sent out the clowns! So said one C-Span caller!

Tomorrow: Some of the ways we got here