FRIDAY, DECEMBER 6, 2024
That very long second list: How did it [ever] get this far? How did we lose to this guy?
More specifically:
How did the Democratic Party go from a 4.5-point win in Campaign 2020 to a 1.5-point loss this time around? Where have all the voters gone, as PP&M might have said?
Where have all the voters gone? Some of the answers lie right there in this year's exit polls, as published here by NBC News.
Exit polling is of course subject to error. But according to this year's exit polls, first-time voters favored Candidate Trump by a substantial margin—by 55% to 44%.
Presumably, some of those voters had become old enough to vote just in the past four years. Presumably, some of those voters had simply never bothered to vote in previous elections.
According to the exit polls, these first-time votes constituted 8% of the total vote. So why did those people favor Trump?
You'd pretty much have to go ask them.
How did we ever lose to this guy? Another set of statistics jumps out from the exit polls. Those statistics involve people who voted in 2020 and 2024 but changed their party preference this time around.
According to the exit polls, 44% of this year's voters said they voted for Candidate Biden in 2020. This year, five percent of those people say they switched over and voted for Candidate Trump.
Why would a voter have made that change? You'd pretty much have to go ask them! Meanwhile, four percent of voters who say they voted for Trump in 2020 say they voted for Harris this year. Our general conclusion would be this:
There may have been "eight million stories in the naked city." But there were something like 155.2 million stories (and counting) floating around inside the heads of this year's (very large) collection of American voters.
Those (imprecise) numbers offer one way to address the question we're asking. But for many of us in Blue America, the larger question is this:
Why did anyone choose to vote for a person like Donld J. Trump? Why would a person like Candidate Trump ever get any votes at all?
Why might someone have voted for Trump? This very morning, we encountered an explanation which is general over Blue America.
We refer to the very first comment to this post by Kevin Drum. A commenter who was fully sincere offered this explanation:
Two words explains all: Racism and Misogyny.
That's the way we frequently score it here in Blue America. We offer that simple explanation. Other observers, Red and Blue alike, may sometimes seek more nuance.
Why might someone have voted for Candidate Trump? On November 8, on the PBS program Washington Week, Tim Alberta—he's anti-Trump—offered three possible reasons.
On Tuesday, we posted Alberta's full statement. We'll offer a paraphrase here:
Tim Alberta's possible reasons
1) Democrats claimed the southern border was secure. That claim was plainly bogus.
2) Democrats claimed the economy was great. Many people disagreed.
3) Democrats claimed that President Biden was sharp as a tack. Many people believed that claim was transparently false.
According to Alberta, many voters believed that those three claims were false. Such voters "might not trust Trump," Alberta said, "but they don't trust Democrats either."
We're inclined to agree with Alberta's assessment. In fact, we'd say it's obvious that some voters cast their votes in response to those three situations.
(Of course, all such people were also "deeply racist." That's a primal religious belief of our Blue Fundamentalists.)
Alberta, who is anti-Trump, ticked off those three possible reasons—three reasons which help explain why some people could have decided to vote for Trump.
He did so on Friday, November 8. One day earlier, Bret Stephens had published an angry and acerbic column in the New York Times—a column which included a lengthy list of other possible reasons.
Stephens has long been anti-Trump too. He's been anti-Trump from the start, and he voted for Candidate Harris.
That said, he generally hails from Red America, as does Tim Alberta. Imaginably, this may allow him to see us Blues as it may be that we actually are.
We humans! We tend to have a hard time seeing ourselves in the way Others do. That doesn't mean that we're bad people. It's just the way we're wired.
In our view, this wiring sometimes seems to leave us Blues swimming in a Blue Lagoon, borne up by the soothing waters of tribal self-regard.
In our view, the tribal delusions are even worse at the Fox News Channel, but the delusions can also be found Over Here. And having said that, dear God:
As we chronicled yesterday, here's the way the Harris voter named Bret Stephens sees us!
In his column, Stephens cited the trio of reasons Alberta would cite the following night. But as he went on and on and on, he cited quite few more:
A Party of Prigs and Pontificators Suffers a Humiliating Defeat
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Why did Harris lose? There were many tactical missteps: her choice of a progressive running mate who would not help deliver a must-win state like Pennsylvania or Michigan; her inability to separate herself from President Biden; her foolish designation of Trump as a fascist, which, by implication, suggested his supporters were themselves quasi-fascist; her overreliance on celebrity surrogates as she struggled to articulate a compelling rationale for her candidacy; her failure to forthrightly repudiate some of the more radical positions she took as a candidate in 2019, other than by relying on stock expressions like “My values haven’t changed.”
There was also the larger error of anointing Harris without political competition—an insult to the democratic process that handed the nomination to a candidate who, as some of us warned at the time, was exceptionally weak. That, in turn, came about because Democrats failed to take Biden’s obvious mental decline seriously until June’s debate debacle (and then allowed him to cling to the nomination for a few weeks more), making it difficult to hold even a truncated mini-primary.
But these mistakes of calculation lived within three larger mistakes of worldview. First, the conviction among many liberals that things were pretty much fine, if not downright great, in Biden’s America—and that anyone who didn’t think that way was either a right-wing misinformer or a dupe. Second, the refusal to see how profoundly distasteful so much of modern liberalism has become to so much of America. Third, the insistence that the only appropriate form of politics when it comes to Trump is the politics of Resistance—capital R.
Regarding the first, I’ve lost track of the number of times liberal pundits have attempted to steer readers to arcane data from the St. Louis Federal Reserve to explain why Americans should stop freaking out over sharply higher prices of consumer goods or the rising financing costs on their homes and cars. Or insisted there was no migration crisis at the southern border. Or averred that Biden was sharp as a tack and that anyone who suggested otherwise was a jerk.
Yet when Americans saw and experienced things otherwise (as extensive survey data showed they did) the characteristic liberal response was to treat the complaints not only as baseless but also as immoral. The effect was to insult voters while leaving Democrats blind to the legitimacy of the issues...
The dismissiveness with which liberals treated these concerns was part of something else: dismissiveness toward the moral objections many Americans have to various progressive causes. Concerned about gender transitions for children or about biological males playing on girls’ sports teams? You’re a transphobe. Dismayed by tedious, mandatory and frequently counterproductive D.E.I. seminars that treat white skin as almost inherently problematic? You’re racist. Irritated by new terminology that is supposed to be more inclusive but feels as if it’s borrowing a page from “1984”? That’s doubleplusungood.
What could have led some people to vote for Candidate Trump, or perhaps to vote against Candidate Harris? When Stephens began to count the ways, his suggestions went on and on:
According to Stephens, Candidate Harris made the wrong choice for VP. She herself was an "exceptionally weak" candidate.
She unwisely referred to Trump as a fascist. She failed to (adequately) separate herself from (the unpopular) President Biden.
She failed to forthrightly repudiate some of the more radical positions she took in 2019. Also, she was undermined by the way her party ignored President Biden's "obvious mental decline" until it was very late.
Those were the alleged shortcomings of Candidate Harris herself. But then there were the other possible reasons why people may have voted for Trump—reasons this Harris voter attributed to Democrats and liberals more generally:
We're constantly calling the Others names—"racist" and "transphobe" and such. According to Stephens, we're inclined to call those names as a way of underlining our support for positions which take us far out of the American mainstream as it exists at this time.
Stephens cited the trio of reasons Alberta would cite—the insistence that President Biden was OK, the insistence that his policies at the southern border made perfect sense.
That said, Stephens added liberally to that list, calling is "prigs" as he did so. He also offered this passage—a passage we didn't post in yesterday's report:
The Democratic Party at its best stands for fairness and freedom. But the politics of today’s left is heavy on social engineering according to group identity. It also, increasingly, stands for the forcible imposition of bizarre cultural norms on hundreds of millions of Americans who want to live and let live but don’t like being told how to speak or what to think. Too many liberals forgot this, which explains how a figure like Trump, with his boisterous and transgressive disdain for liberal pieties, could be re-elected to the presidency.
Last, liberals thought that the best way to stop Trump was to treat him not as a normal, if obnoxious, political figure with bad policy ideas but as a mortal threat to democracy itself. Whether or not he is such a threat, this style of opposition led Democrats astray. It goaded them into their own form of antidemocratic politics—using the courts to try to get Trump’s name struck from the ballot in Colorado or trying to put him in prison on hard-to-follow charges. It distracted them from the task of developing and articulating superior policy responses to the valid public concerns he was addressing. And it made liberals seem hyperbolic, if not hysterical, particularly since the country had already survived one Trump presidency more or less intact.
Along with everything we showed you yesterday, Stephens made those additional claims:
He said we liberals are (way too) heavy on "group identity." In his view, this "explains [or may help explain] how a figure like Trump...could be re-elected to the presidency."
He also says this! He says we helped Trump get re-elected by the way we tried to get him locked up—even by "trying to put him in prison on hard-to-follow charges."
Could any of those perceptions possibly be accurate? is it possible that some voters decided to vote for Trump on the basis of such unwise, unattractive behaviors?
Nationwide, we lost by less than 1.5 points—and we lost by even less than that in the three Blue Wall states. Is it possible that votes were lost because of the things we did?
Over Here in our Blue Lagoon, the waters are always warm and soothing. Over There where Stephens lives, the potential disaster of this election seems to have many possible mothers and fathers.
Will Trump's election produce a disaster? In our view, that's completely possible.
Keeping that potential disaster in mind, is it even dimly possible that we ourselves—we denizens of Blue America—have somehow managed to earn our way out? Is it possible that this year's (narrow) defeat could conceivably track back to something we have done? Perhaps to a form of doubleplusungood as practiced by our tribe?
Well-intentioned commenters will stick to our tribe's simplest tory. Next week, we'll suggest that we Blues should work hard to find a way to emerge, sopping wet, from our Blue Lagoon. We'll even suggest that the story in question tracks back at least sixty years!
The woods are lovely, dark and deep. Is there a way we Blues could improve? Are we likely to buy some such story?
Yes. Stop listening to Right-wingers. Other than the bigotry, they don't believe anything they say.
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ReplyDelete"How did we lose to this guy?"
Because you're losers. The worst kind of losers.
Agree, Somerby is a loser, well said.
DeleteSomerby does like the reasons Dems say Harris lost, instead he prefers the way Republicans say Harris lost.
ReplyDeleteBwaaaaahahahahahaha
Ok, stooge, good to know where you stand politically.
I mean, is Somerby back to doing comedy bits?
*Somerby does NOT like the reasons Dems say Harris lost*
DeleteSomerby endorses reasons Republicans say Harris lost, yet Biden won in 2020 with essentially the identical campaign, and Trump barely got the same level of support in 2024 that he hit in 2020, when he badly lost.
DeleteClinton also lost, to the same candidate, while also running basically the same campaign.
This circumstance makes it relatively trivial to spot the main significant reasons Harris lost in a low turnout election: lack of universal mail in ballots, sexism - and racism to a lesser degree, and increasingly sophisticated Republican dirty tricks/voter suppression.
I do not find Somerby humorous in any way, it’s not so much comedy he’s doing, it’s propaganda.
So when dealing with something as fucked up as the electoral college where a swing of 150,000 votes in three to five states can mean electoral victory even after losing the popular vote, what is it again Somerby is talking about? And why does he quote a right wing nut job like Stephens on the daily?
DeleteYou don’t abandon your principles to win an election. Go ahead, call me a prig and pontificator. At least I don’t traffick in underage girls.
ReplyDeleteWas Trump abandoning his principles when he raped/sexually assaulted all those times?
DeleteOr was Trump just leaning into his principles?
Because Trump’s rape-y vibe seems to have enhanced his electoral chances with his voters.
I will sue him for refusing to rape me, the best soros-monkey here.
DeleteYes blog-killa, do it! Kill off this lazy, nasty right wing blog. Your efforts are much appreciated.
DeleteBut what about the underage boys? Notice you have nothing to say about that!!!
DeleteBiden won due to universal mail-in balloting during the covid lockdown. Somerby thinks we should ignore white racism (and misogyny?) but it was very hard for Harris to remake herself into a good ole boy or bro. I blame modern medicine.
ReplyDeleteTrump to Palestinians: there will be hell to pay
ReplyDeleteTrump to Netanyahu: finish the job
We support the Palestinians in their effort to defend against Israelis committing genocide.
But for those that withheld their vote for Harris in supposed support of Palestinians, contributing to the election of someone who actively supports the genocide, and are now whining about the consequences, we are out of fucks to give.
The blue lagoon in Iceland has been closed due to volcanic activity. Why does Somerby keep referring to it when it has no meaning?
ReplyDeleteExit polls cannot explain anything about those who didn’t vote.
ReplyDeleteSomerby asks about things we did. He is not part of blue America, so “we” is the wrong word. No one thinks Somerby believes for a minute that HE did anything to help Trump win, but he certainly didn’t help Harris. Where is his introspection on that?
ReplyDeleteHis use of "we" is an egocentric affectation.
DeleteAnonymouse 10:58am: “You don’t abandon your principles to win an election”
DeleteThat’s exactly what Biden did when he told staff that he intended to promise the public that he’d never pardon Hunter, but would actually keep the privilege on the table if he needed to do it later (if Trump won).
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/joe-biden-issue-pardon-son-hunter-biden-rcna182369
Oooh triggered, and with fake outrage no less.
DeleteSpicy!
Anonymouse 11:14am, Somerby has bemoaned Trump night and day. He was taking up for Harris as being a viable candidate when anonymices were pulling their hair out at the possibility that Biden might have to step down and Comma La would run. Anonymices had ZERO faith in her. Literally ZERO. You wouldn’t even admit to the fact that Biden had declined.
DeleteAnonymices championed Biden to the death. Bob supportered her. Ironically, Pelosi said the DNC leadership plan had been to have a primary-like forum as to Democrats who were qualified to run, but that Biden stabbed them in the back by announcing to everyone that Harris was running and he was behind her.
I know your job is to go after Bob, but you have a ridiculously juvenile and cartoonish notion of recent events.
Why are you so triggered that you have to resort to fairy tales 12:29?
DeleteSeems unhealthy to be that unhinged.
How will you be triggered next, what silly comment will you post next? We will have to wait as you do your ~20 min cycle, but we will tune in, eyes glued.
Merely fairy tales as reported by NBC News and from Nancy Pelosi’s mouth.
DeleteThose aspects, the NBC story, Pelosi, are complete nothingburgers, but the goofy narrative you attempt to tease out from that thin gruel is the fairy tale. Duh.
DeleteAnonymouse 12:48pm, Biden’s duplicitous announcement when he lied and said he would never pardon Hunter,got this wildly glowing and overwrought response in the media. We know now from NBC News that he was lying thru his teeth.
Deletehttps://x.com/mazemoore/status/1863563615858577505?s=42&t=oYvKLjVc8YzJIvwKoQTYBQ
Here’s the nothing burger Pelosi story as to how Biden brilliantly turned the tables on her via the NYT.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/08/us/politics/pelosi-harris-biden-open-primary.html
You’re a clown.
Biden should have fired Weiss as soon as he took office in 2021. He wasn't lying, just really naive to believe republiCONS would act honorably.
DeleteNo, you’re the clown, Cecelia. But not a funny clown, a sad, vindictive clown. And you can’t even see it.
DeleteAnonymouse 1:22pm, you’re on a blogger’s blog in order to vindictively insult him night and day. I’m here because I admire him.
DeleteIf there was a CPR version of a “reality check”, you’d be candidate #1.
Anonymouse 1:18pm, on the contrary, Weiss should have never trusted Biden.
DeleteThat don't make any fucking sense, Cecelia. Weiss serves at the pleasure of the president. President Biden had every right to kick that partisan hack out on day 1.
DeleteAnonymouse 2:07pm, then he should have done it on Day1. Instead he let the process go forth and then overturned it.
Deletethen he should have done it on Day1.
DeleteYes, that is what I said.
Cecilia, seems to me that there was only one anonymouse (the deranged ex-psychology professor who thinks TDH's is a Trump lover) who went on and on about how Biden was treated so unfairly when he was pushed out. Not a slew , or even a plural number, of anonymice. And the vast majority of dems wanted Biden to drop out after he botched the debate. I appreciate that you admire TDH, though.
DeleteAC/MA, it may have been the case that the majority of Democrats wanted Biden to bow out, but that was NOT the stance that the anonymices took. They remained in complete denial as to Biden’s faculties and had long been waging a war against Bob’s observations of Biden’s decline.
DeleteYou should know this if only by being fully aware that anonymices never agree with Bob about anything.
Biden should have dropped out when he claimed, during the debate there was an epidemic of post-birth abortions.
DeleteIt makes sense that white racist red voters wouldn’t like being called racist, but where is the evidence they would switch to Harris under any circumstance, being both red and racist as they are? That part makes no sense.
ReplyDeleteBut do they refuse to rape me, the best soros-trained monkey here?
DeleteBlog-killa is back, doing their thang. Thanks blog-killa for helping this goofy right wing blog die.
Delete"But do they refuse to rape me,"
DeleteWeird. Because rape is about power, not your hideous looks.
As a Republican, I own lots of guns, but do not fear, I only use bullet ballots for ammo.
ReplyDeleteRepublicans are shocked, shocked, at the way Americans are reacting to the assassination of the United Health CEO ghoul.
ReplyDeleteIt’s a new morning in America Republicans are waking up to, they are now starting to find out.
Anonymouse 11:24am, it’s not a surprise that leftists are applauding this murder. You guys have always applauded all sorts of violence and mayhem on the streets, in the name of protest. You would have applauded the J6 folks had it been Trump who had won and it was something you could point to as being the righteous anger of minorities, the poor, ect. In that scenario, you’d have also been fine if your sort of protesters had guns at the Capitol. You’d have exulted in that, just as you are exulting over execution via gunshot in the back of this man outside a hotel.
DeleteWhy shouldn't the leftists tour Washington, DC?
DeleteYou aren't making any sense.
You’re going to looksilly Cecelia when no lefties have an insurrection on Jan 6.
DeleteAnonymouse 10:58pm, that would be unlikely simply because it would undermine the moral authority they claim for going after Trump for another four years.
DeleteRemember the feds wiretapped Carter Page before Trump had even won the office of president. This meant that they were allowed to listen in on everyone who spoke with Page and also listen in on the communications that these people had with others. Potentially hundreds of people, including Trump, Bannon, etc.
Anonymouse 10:58pm, also remember that you did have your people in the streets and busting up DC along the route of the inaugural procession.
DeleteWhat's your problem wth tourists?
DeleteRepublicans polled the day before the election: the economy is in ruin, society is in decline
ReplyDeleteRepublicans polled the day after the election: the economy is booming, everything is fine
Typical of Republicans, lacking integrity is a feature, not a bug.
They pull the same reverse on the deficit.
ReplyDeleteSo Biden and then Harris have to provide perfect policy positions that all Americans can agree with or the press tears them apart. Trump can go off on any idiotic topic, make absolutely no sense, call it the weave and the press says Trump is just being Trump. Whatever.
ReplyDeleteRepublicans are already gearing up to try to cut Social Security, guided by Musk, Trump’s “guru”.
ReplyDeleteFaux populist Trump is filling his admin with neocons (“kill all Muslims” Hegseth), neoliberals, unqualified clowns, corrupt corporatist cronies, and sexual predators.
Thank god for the filibuster and the 2026 mid term election.
I am a soros-trained monkey and the best neocon neoliberal unqualified clown corrupt corporatist crony and sexual predator in the world.
DeleteWhy isn't populist Trump filling his admin with me? Why?
Thank you blog-killa! Your comments are like bullets assassinating Somerby’s asinine right wing blog. More please.
Delete“Today, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported that the American economy added 227,000 jobs in November, confirming what we know to be true: that this is a strong, stable economy and workers are benefiting. After accounting for 56,000 upward revisions to September and October data, the three-month average of payroll employment gains stands at 173,000, indicating a healthy labor market with low unemployment, delivering opportunities for millions of workers.
Delete“Wage growth continues to outpace inflation, with nominal wages increasing by 0.4 percent in November and annual growth of 4.0 percent over the past 12 months. This means that most working Americans have more money in their pockets, across industries and occupations. And the unemployment rate remains at the lowest range we have seen in 50 years.
https://www.dol.gov/
I am wondering how long it will take President Muskaswarmy to fuck things up real good.
I'd give them 3 months to fuckity it up real good.
DeleteI'm not surprised, since Biden is the best President of the US in the last 6 decades.
DeleteI not so smart I vote for trump now I regret.
ReplyDeleteWhat I do?
Trump voters, in a fit of rage, are abandoning their old health insurance and signing up for United Health, the company that relies on an AI with a 90% error rate in order to deny more care, so they can own the libs.
ReplyDeleteFucking hilarious.
Anonymouse 12:44pm, please an article or something that backs that up. I ask because the majority of Americans do not own their health insurance policies. Unfortunately, they are provided by employers. Employers are not going to suddenly cancel their insurance providers and go to United Health.
DeleteLink an article
DeleteAren't the feelings of people who think it's true enough for you?
DeleteOr are you still looking down at the common voter, like you're the Republican Party?
“You'd pretty much have to go ask them!” Says Bob regarding vote switchers. That’s a good idea to understand why anyone voted for Trump. Ask them why they voted for him.
ReplyDeleteBut, Bob focuses on the advice of two people who voted against Trump. Why aren’t Trump voters the centerpiece of his analysis?
I have seen plenty of people ask Trump voters why they support Trump. The Trump voters all fucking lie. Just like you, Dickhead.
Delete“Wage growth continues to outpace inflation, with nominal wages increasing by 0.4 percent in November and annual growth of 4.0 percent over the past 12 months. This means that most working Americans have more money in their pockets, across industries and occupations. And the unemployment rate remains at the lowest range we have seen in 50 years.
https://www.dol.gov/
I am wondering how long it will take President Muskaswarmy to fuck things up real good.
100 percent of idiot-moonbats have zero percent of functioning brains.
DeleteAnd us moonbats are responsible for the consumption of 100% of eggs for the past 4 years.
DeleteDavid, people don’t answer truthfully. Some don’t understand their own motives. Few people tell survey takers they voted for Trump out of bigotry or ignorance yet that is surely true for some of them.
DeleteSome years back, Joe Simitian, a local Dem politician who I admire, visited three communities that had supported Obama in 2021 and supported Trump in 2016. He spent time talking to residents and getting to know them. His findings of why their vote switched were valuable and informative.
DeleteA couple of weeks ago, Maureen Dowd let her conservative brother write her column. It's behind a paywall, but I'll quote a bit of it. It gives a Trump voter's POV:
DeleteBiden and Harris have left a huge mess. Trump is the right choice to fix it. There are things he can do right away to make a difference: close the border, eliminate regulations, end the war on fossil fuels and cancel E.V. mandates.
No matter how maddening Trump can be, the country needs him. The wind is truly at his back. The election was decided not just by MAGA rallygoers but also by millions of voters who’d simply had enough.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/28/opinion/donald-trump-presidency.html?searchResultPosition=3
People may believe this, but how is the country a mess? The facts don’t support such views. So why do we care about the views of people who are so objectively wrong?
Delete"I'll quote a bit of it."
DeleteBWAHAHAHA
I don't see Dowd,s brother ever forgiving Joe Biden for the lowest Unemployment Rate in over half a century.
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ReplyDeleteMy uncle was eaten by cannibals.
My aunt never pays her taxes which is perfectly legal because she's always high.
I am Corby. It's pronounced Comma-la-la.
At the very least, Republicans have made rape great again. And by rape is meant simply the youthful indiscretion of a high-spirited boy, for definitions of youthful and boy including any age from zero to the day before filing for candidacy or being nominated for office.
ReplyDeleteIt serves two purposes: it puts women on notice that they should quit being so mad at the youthful indiscretions of men in the form of rape, and it makes liberals and women cry to realize that their notion that rape is an affront to decent society is the delusion of a Soros-bot.
Good work, GOP.
i love how some of the comments in here just prove the point somerby is making...
ReplyDeletewhich point?
DeleteThe point that you’re dumb and unpleasant and nobody likes you.
DeleteThe points about moral condescension and hyperbolic opposition to Trump. For starters.
DeleteHow does Somerby prove that moral condescension is unjustified or that Trump isn’t every bit as bad as his opposition claims? He never presents any evidence.
DeleteThe raping by Republican politicians is a distraction from the bigotry they give to Republican voters to get themselves elected.
Delete2:13 & 8:58: looks like PP's gone anonymous ...again.
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