CHARADES: The program airs at 7 p.m.!

MONDAY, FEBRUARY 24, 2025

At Variety, that's now called "late night:" In fairness, Variety's Tatiana Sigel isn't a political journalist.

That isn't what she is! For the record, Variety describes itself as "the most authoritative and trusted source of entertainment business news, recognized and respected throughout the world." 

According to Variety, Variety's journalism seems to be stunningly good. As for Siegel herself, this is the way Variety describes her role at the org:

Tatiana Siegel

Tatiana Siegel is Executive Editor Film & Media at Variety, where she covers the business of the entertainment industry, ranging from deeply reported investigative pieces to incisive cover profiles...

In 2019, she was named print journalist of the year at the National Arts & Entertainment Journalism Awards for work that included an abuse-of-power bombshell that led to Warner Bros. chief Kevin Tsujihara resigning. She has written nearly 100 cover stories for Variety, The Hollywood Reporter and Billboard that span both people (Mick Jagger, Drake and Scarlett Johansson) and scandals (the Sony hack and the career implosion of NBCUniversal CEO Jeff Shell). 

The profile continues from there. To peruse the full profile, click here.

Tatiana Siegel isn't a political writer. That said, she's a ranking, highly experienced journalist at a well-known publication.

In the current edition of Variety, Siegel offers a profile of someone she may believe to be part of "the entertainment industry." It's the type of profile which would normally be described as a puff piece. 

Her profile concerns the Fox News Channel's Greg Gutfeld and his rather peculiar Gutfeld! program. Headline included, Siegel's lengthy puff piece starts as shown, with no paywall to hold you at bay:

How Greg Gutfeld Became the Bill Maher of Fox News—And Toppled Fallon and Colbert in the Ratings

On a Tuesday in February, Hollywood is in the throes of a “Bonfire of the Vanities” moment. Karla Sofía Gascón’s old social media posts, with shocking takes on George Floyd (“a drug addict swindler”) and Islam (“an infection for humanity that urgently needs to be cured”), are roiling awards season and have turned the actress into a pariah. But the “Emilia Pérez” star, the first openly trans person nominated for an acting Oscar, is also a tricky subject to satirize.

Jimmy Fallon, Jimmy Kimmel and Stephen Colbert have ignored the conflagration that has engulfed this year’s standard-bearing #Resistance film. The task is left to Greg Gutfeld, whose eponymous Fox News show has made him the most-watched man in late night.

That's the way the profile begins at this "most authoritative and trusted source of entertainment business news." 

The profile starts by comparing Gutfeld to three men who are generally thought of as "late night comedians." It then declares that Gutfeld—in this case, the person, not the program—is "the most-watched man in late night."

It's a very familiar claim—a claim which is endlessly pushed by Gutfeld himself. 

At his own official site, Gutfeld describes himself as "the king of late night." Indeed, that was the title of the collection of essays he published in 2023.

According to Siegel, Gutfeld is "the most-watched man" in late night. It's a familiar type of claim, especially at the start of a major puff piece. But coming right at the start of her profile, is the claim actually true?

For ourselves, we'd be inclined to say that it pretty much isn't. As a basic point of logic, to be "the most-watched man in late night," a person would pretty much have to be the host of a TV show which actually airs in late night.

Gutfeld's program doesn't. Much later in her profile, the former print journalist of the year offers a sad and journalistically silly bit of instruction:

What is indisputable is [Gutfeld's] ratings prowess. The former print journalist...helms the only late-night program that averages more than 3 million viewers, according to the most recent Nielsen Media Research data....His critics say his numbers should come with an asterisk because he benefits from the earlier start time of 10 p.m., and that it airs even earlier on the West Coast. But in August 2022, he became the first late-night host to overtake Colbert in the ratings since 2017, and he accomplished that feat when “Gutfeld!” aired at 11 p.m. Like it or not, the nasal-voiced shit-stirrer who sees no topic as off-limits is leading the pack—and expanding his audience.

Interesting! According to that, Gutfeld is "leading the pack" when compared to other "late-night hosts."

For the record, there is no doubt that the Gutfeld! program boasts strong viewership numbers, as does every primetime program on the Fox News Channel. But is the fellow who was willing to give the program his name really a "late-night host?" 

Is Gutfeld really a late-night host? Sadly, the journalist leaves it to "Gutfeld's critics" to raise this obvious point:

His critics say his numbers should come with an asterisk because he benefits from the earlier start time of 10 p.m., and that it airs even earlier on the West Coast. 

Gutfeld's critics tell us that? Why wouldn't an experienced journalist at an "authoritative source of news" be stating that blindingly obvious point in her own journalistic voice, then moving on from there? 

In truth, Siegel's puffery is nowhere dumber than in that fuzzy passage. Consider what readers are (and aren't) told in that mumble-mouthed presentation:

The Gutfeld! program starts at 10 p.m., Siegel says. (She's referring to Eastern time, without specifically stating that point.) That said, the program "airs even earlier on the West Coast," the scribe then murkily says.

In fact, the program airs three hours earlier than 10 p.m. out there in Tinseltown, the village Siegel calls home. Because Gutfeld! airs simultaneously all across the fruited plain, it actually airs at 7 p.m. all through the Pacific Time Zone!

Also, the program airs at 9 p.m. in Chicago and at 8 p.m. in Denver. Whatever its merits and its ratings successes may be, Gutfeld! isn't a "late night" program, if we're all still speaking the English language, Sam Ervin's native tongue.

Citizens, please! By tradition, a program airing at 7 p.m. isn't a "late night" program. Indeed, a program airing at 7 p.m. isn't even a prime time program, though the boundaries of prime time have been changing in recent years within the realm of "cable news."

Gutfeld! airs at 7 p.m. all up and down the west coast! Does this mean that it "benefits from an earlier start time" as compared to the nation's traditional "late night" comedy shows, which air at 11:35 p.m. Eastern? 

Few claims could seem more obvious. Indeed, if we're all still speaking English, Gutfeld! isn't a "late night" show at all. 

While we're at it, is Gutfeld! really a "comedy show," as Siegel suggests all through her authoritative profile? For ourselves, we'd also say "no" to that implied claim. It's a very important point—an important point which we'll discuss as the week proceeds.

Briefly, let's be fair. Compared with other prime time shows on other "cable news" channels, Gutfeld! does have a very large viewership—of that there can be no doubt. 

To execute the most obvious comparison, Gutfeld! blows away the viewership numbers on the 10 p.m. Eastern programs on CNN and MSNBC, its most obvious competitors. 

Meanwhile, consider the way the numbers work for the shows with which Siegel, puffing hard, agree to perform a comparison:

Average viewers, final quarter, 2024:
Gutfeld! (Fox News Channel): 3.18 million
Jimmy Kimmel Live (ABC): 1.96 million
The Late Show with Stephen Colbert (CBS): 2.59 million
The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon (NBC): 1.32 million

Those numbers come from this report by Jed Rosenzweig at LateNighter

With respect to Gutfeld's show, Rosenzweig was sufficiently straightforward to note this obvious point:

Here Are Final Late Night Ratings for Q4 2024

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Moving over to the cable side of the dial, Gutfeld! scored its highest ratings in the program’s history, up nearly +9% in total viewers vs an already record-breaking Q3. Greg Gutfeld‘s average audience now exceeds the top-rated network late-night shows by half a million viewers, although he benefits from an earlier airtime when more people are watching TV across the board (10pm ET/7pm PT).

It's an obvious point, and Rosenzweig was willing to state it in his own voice. He didn't pretend it was some sort of debatable claim muttered by "Gutfeld's critics."

Once again, let's be clear:

Gutfeld!, which isn't a late night show, does in fact attract more viewers than any of the traditional late night comedy shows aired by the three major networks. But please note:

Those other programs start at 11:35 Eastern—and they air in late time slots all across the nation. Even so, the Big Three programs, as a group, attract roughly twice as many total viewers as Gutfeld's earlier program does. 

Gutfeld! does, in fact, do very well in the "cable news" rating wars. But its viewership is roughly doubled by the trio of actual "late night" comedy shows which go on the air much later—which go on the air more than four hours later out there on the coast.

Does any of this foolishness matter? Only if life on this planet actually matters—and it isn't clear that human life really does matter within the wide array of journalistic charades currently being performed by our failing nation's wide assortment of authoritative journalists.

All in all, Tatiana Siegel was puffing hard as she profiled the Fox News Channel's ascendant "shit-stirrer." In an assortment of ways, her work was what we'd call an "imitation of life"—a parody of competent journalism, a dangerous type of charade.

No, Virginia! If we're still speaking conventional English, Gutfeld! isn't a late night show. That leads us toward our second question:

Is Gutfeld! a comedy dhow?

Plainly, that's the impression a reader might take from Siegel's pastiche of puffery. But if we were asked to shorthand Gutfeld's show, we would offer a different assortment of descriptions:

We'd call it a propaganda show—a propaganda show which airs on an imitation of a "cable news" channel. We'd be inclined to call the Gutfeld! program a destructive imitation of life—a charade in and of itself.

Siegel is silent about the matters we have in mind. That said, a wide array of journalistic silences surround the ongoing operations of the Fox News Channel. 

That's true at an "entertainment" publication like Variety, but also at weightier sites such as the New York Times. (To read the Times' mush-mouthed profile of Gutfeld from 2023, you can just click here.)

As our nation slides toward the sea, can anyone here play this game? Is anyone willing to try? 

We'll be exploring those questions all week with respect to the Gutfeld! program. For ourselves, we regard the (nightly, prime time) Gutfeld! show as an exercise in moral and intellectual squalor. 

We regard it as an imitation of life—as an imitation of adult human behavior. We regard it as a charade, like a great deal of our flailing nation's modern high-end journalism.

Alas! Our journalists lack a pre-existing, established language for describing programs like Gutfeld! Deprived of that linguistic road map, Siegel resorted to familiar puffery in the poverty of the time.

Tomorrow: Siegel is able to spot "misogyny"—but only from Howard Stern!


24 comments:

  1. I imagine if you have a career selling advertising space, this post could be at least a little interesting.

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    1. Or if you have a Website so starving for meaningful content that you declare it to be Gutfeld! week.

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    2. In roughly 90 seconds the thing that calls itself Cecelia will remind us that this is a media blog. To which it can be safely argued that it is a cable channel and print media blog. You will hear nothing about Joe Rogan dropping 4th in the Podcast space, with a liberal podcast taking #1, for example.

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  2. Rosenzweig, writing in a publication called LateNighter, still manages to include Gutfeld and contradicts his own headline, and one would argue, his whole publication.

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  3. NEW Harvard-Harris Poll 2/21-23:

    🟢 Trump approval: 52% (+9)
    🔴 Trump disapproval: 43%

    58% say he is doing better than Biden
    81% support deporting criminal aliens
    76% support eliminating fraud, waste
    76% support closing the U.S. border
    70% support merit-based hiring
    61% support reciprocal tariffs
    60% think DOGE is helping

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    1. Propaganda is still working, one month in.

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  4. I wish Bob would also talk about Gutfeld’s positives. He must have some. Bob has convinced me that Gutfeld is disgusting, repulsive, and not funny. Yet he must have something that makes him so popular.

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    1. “ he must have something that makes him so popular.”

      He is disgusting and repulsive.

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    2. David, don't be silly. Trump is popular too and he has nothing positive either.

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    3. Yes @10:22 I was also thinking of Trump as a possible analogy to Gutfeld. Many liberals’ ignorance of Trump’s positives are a chasm, an abyss.

      Here’s a non-political example. My Trump-hating friend Bill denied that Trump was funny! Nor did Bill seem interested in finding out what he was missing.

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    4. Trump is not funny. You cannot find humor in a person who has done so much damage to others.

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    5. "Bob has convinced me that Gutfeld is disgusting, repulsive, and not funny. Yet he must have something that makes him so popular."

      He does. It's that he's disgusting and repulsive. That makes him popular within MAGA.

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    6. @10:43 there is a similar debate over Richard Wagner and Leni Riefenstahl. IMO they were objectively great artists, despite their awful views. And Trump is a skilled stand-up comedian.

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    7. Wagner didn't write his music for or under Hitler. He was merely someone Hitler likes, as do many people who enjoy classical music. Wagner's works were written in the mid-1800s.

      Riefenstahl created propaganda films for the Nazis, thereby supporting their work. Do you see the difference, David?

      There is no evidence Wagner held "awful views." That's why Wagner's major works are still performed to enthusiastic audiences. Hitler liked dogs too, does that mean those dogs held "awful views"? Wagner's work was about German folklore.

      Trump is not a skilled stand-up comedian because there is no evidence he understands that he is telling "jokes". He believes what he tells his audiences. That makes him a laughing stock, not a comedian.

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    8. I thought it was hilarious when Trump mocked that disabled reporter. Could not stop laughing. So this once I agree with DiC.

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    9. @11:02 - Wagner wrote vicious antisemitic essays. Yet many Jewish artists perform his music because the music itself is marvelous.

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    10. I wish you’d tell us DiC how you know when Trump is joking and when if ever he is serious. Also, how do you know when he’s lying vs telling the truth vs bullshitting? It must be a special skill only MAGAs have acquired.

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    11. How can anyone think Trump is funny, when no one listens to what he says?

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  5. More important things are happening today, than arguing about whether Gutfeld is a late-night or prime-time performer.

    For example, the amateurs trying to fire federal workers have now managed to compromise more undercover CIA agents by publishing their names in an email on an unsecure server. These guys couldn't do more damage to the US if they were trying to undermine our country.

    "The Central Intelligence Agency is conducting an assessment of their own security after a White House email about civil service layoffs appeared to compromise the names of certain undercover officers, reported CNN on Monday.

    This damage control, reported CNN, is "just one of multiple aftershocks from President Donald Trump’s push to take a jackhammer to the federal government — including the CIA. The administration’s efforts to cut the workforce and audit spending at the CIA and elsewhere threaten to jeopardize some of the government’s most sensitive work, current and former U.S. officials familiar with internal deliberations say."

    The CIA first began discussing layoffs amid tech billionaire Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) task force and its rampage through agencies across the executive branch, originally billed as a mass buyout that would infuse "renewed energy" into intelligence operations.

    However, chaos erupted after the White House sent an email over an unclassified server suggesting the layoffs of a number of CIA employees who were on probationary status due to being recent hires — which may have included the first and last names of some undercover agents."

    But all Somerby cares about is some puff piece about Gutfeld! Somerby is as senile as Trump.

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  6. Somerby is missing the point. It is not to build up Gutfeld or fluff him. It is to attack and tear down Colbert, Meyers and Kimmel, all reliable Trump critics who have caused Trump to write peevish Truth Social posts against them. This is Trump's agenda and his way of tearing down his own attackers, using Gutfeld as a tool (which he clearly is).

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  7. Rude Pundit lauds Judge Reyes who took on the administration's ban of transgender people in the military. He and Judge Reyes rightly point out that this is not just about who can serve but also about the need to live in the same reality, not a contorted lies told by con artists like Trump and Musk. The judge upheld reality because reality matters:

    https://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2025/02/judge-ana-reyess-reaming-of-trump.html

    "As a defense of the rights of transgender Americans, Reyes was an absolute pit bull getting her teeth into the supple legs of the shitty men who dared to leap the fence into her yard. But just as important was Judge Reyes refusing to buy into the cruel fantasy world that Trump and most of the right in this country demand we all live in. There are immutable facts, to use the administration's word, about what sex actually is, about what actually affects the readiness of the military, about the honorable records of the plaintiffs who served their nation more than Trump and his garbage children ever have or ever could. And the same goes for so many other issues, like immigration and crime and election integrity and abortion and race and taxation and, really, every fucking thing that is being used to justify the insanity going on at the White House that's forced on the nation.

    At some point, Reyes is saying, it matters that we agree that reality is real, whether you like it or not, and it doesn't shift with whatever a cadre of evil motherf*ckers want it to be. And real people live in reality and have to deal with its real effects. This shit matters, as Reyes asserted forcefully, because you can't just hate someone and then try to create a reason to justify harming the people you hate. Which is essentially the entire ethos of the MAGA movement."

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  8. Unneeded federal employees are being fired.

    https://wtop.com/virginia/2025/02/this-civil-servant-and-veteran-voted-for-trump-now-hes-out-of-a-job/

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  9. "Dan Bongino has been appointed deputy director of the FBI. He reportedly was offered the position after Krusty the Clown declined."

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