FRIDAY: Maybe yes, but maybe no!

FRIDAY, APRIL 18, 2025

One part of what Wilkinson said: A certain highly regarded judge spoke for a unanimous court. 

Time magazine posted the full text of his written opinion. As you can see, his statement started as shown:

Conservative Judge’s Full Opinion Rebuking Trump Administration Over Abrego Garcia Case

Upon review of the government’s motion, the court denies the motion for an emergency stay pending appeal and for a writ of mandamus. The relief the government is requesting is both extraordinary and premature. While we fully respect the Executive’s robust assertion of its Article II powers, we shall not micromanage the efforts of a fine district judge attempting to implement the Supreme Court’s recent decision.

It is difficult in some cases to get to the very heart of the matter. But in this case, it is not hard at all. The government is asserting a right to stash away residents of this country in foreign prisons without the semblance of due process that is the foundation of our constitutional order. Further, it claims in essence that because it has rid itself of custody that there is nothing that can be done.

This should be shocking not only to judges, but to the intuitive sense of liberty that Americans far removed from courthouses still hold dear.

So wrote J. Harvie Wilkinson, a highly regarded appointee of President Reagan.

The conduct of the Trump administration "should be shocking," Judge Wilkinson said. That echoed the earlier statement by Judge Paula Xinis—the statement cited on Wednesday in this New York Times report:

Judge Rebukes Administration’s Efforts to Return Wrongly Deported Man

A federal judge scolded the Trump administration on Tuesday for dragging its feet in complying with a Supreme Court order that directed the White House to “facilitate” the release of a Maryland man who was wrongly deported to a prison in El Salvador last month.

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In her initial order directing the White House to bring Mr. Abrego Garcia back from El Salvador, Judge Xinis found that the Trump administration had flown [Abrego Garcia] out of the country “without notice, legal justification or due process.”

Moreover, she chided government officials for having made “a grievous error” by deporting him, adding that the White House, by then refusing to retrieve him from one of the most “inhumane and dangerous prisons in the world,” had exposed him to harm that “shocks the conscience.” 

Judge Xinis said the administration has exposed Kilmar Abrego Garcia to a level of harm that "shocks the conscience." 

No one is required to agree with that assessment; at this site, we do. But based on Judge Wilkinson's written opinion, it sounds like the unanimous district court formed a similar view.

With that, we offer a warning. This matter has become highly partisan—heavily tribalized. In our view, thumbs are being placed on the scales by the Red and by the Blue.

We've lost a chunk of time this afternoon; we'll have to continue this important topic tomorrow. But for now, we caution those in our own Blue America to consider what Wilkinson wrote next. We highlight one new passage:

Conservative Judge’s Full Opinion Rebuking Trump Administration Over Abrego Garcia Case

Upon review of the government’s motion, the court denies the motion for an emergency stay pending appeal and for a writ of mandamus. The relief the government is requesting is both extraordinary and premature. While we fully respect the Executive’s robust assertion of its Article II powers, we shall not micromanage the efforts of a fine district judge attempting to implement the Supreme Court’s recent decision.

It is difficult in some cases to get to the very heart of the matter. But in this case, it is not hard at all. The government is asserting a right to stash away residents of this country in foreign prisons without the semblance of due process that is the foundation of our constitutional order. Further, it claims in essence that because it has rid itself of custody that there is nothing that can be done.

This should be shocking not only to judges, but to the intuitive sense of liberty that Americans far removed from courthouses still hold dear.

The government asserts that Abrego Garcia is a terrorist and a member of MS-13. Perhaps, but perhaps not. Regardless, he is still entitled to due process. If the government is confident of its position, it should be assured that position will prevail in proceedings to terminate the withholding of removal order. 

The written opinion continues from there. For today, at a highly tribalized time, we call your attention to that one short statement:

Perhaps, but perhaps not.

Forget about the "terrorist" claim. Is it possible that Abrego Garcia was, or possibly even still is, a member of MS-13?

Writing for the unanimous court, Wilkinson says this: 

Maybe yes, maybe no.  

According to what Wilkinson wrote, what shocks the conscience is the degree of harm to which Abrego Garcia was exposed at a time when President Trump was groaningly saying this:

REPORTER (4/17/25): “If the court holds you in contempt, will you take steps to return Kilmar Abrego Garcia to the United States and put him in front of a judge?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well, I’m not involved in it. I’m going to respond by saying you’ll have to speak to the lawyers—the DOJ. 

I’ve heard many things about him, and, uh— We’ll have to find out what the truth is. 

Gulag truth, search for truth later! Welcome to a shocking trip into Alice's world.

(For what it's worth, we wouldn't frog-march anyone, even someone who had committed a crime, into the "prison" in question. We have prisons right here in this country for people convicted of serious crimes.)

We've seen many thumbs on many scales in the past two days. In a fully intelligent world, Joe Scarborough's ridiculous conduct this very morning might also "shock the conscience!"

Is it possible, even now, that the detainee in question actually was an affiliate of MS-13 back in 2019?Does some such possibility still exist? 

For the record, rightly or wrongly, Judge Wilkinson didn't say no. 

Tomorrow, we'll walk you through a complex field, dating back to what we were told in the original report on this topic in the Atlantic. We also think it's time to revisit what Bill Maher recently said.

We'll show you what the first report in the Atlantic said. Along the way since then, we've seen awful behavior on the Fox News Channel—and this morning, we watched Morning Joe.

Under current arrangements, Red is Red and Blue is Blue and never the twain shall meet! Tomorrow, we'll lay out some of the reasons why a respected figure like Judge Wilkinson might have made the statement he did. 

This takes us back to the dawn of the West—to the "all too human" refusal to let ourselves be told that we may not yet actually know.

Maybe yes, but maybe no! That's one part of what this unanimous court has said.


28 comments:

  1. Quaker in a BasementApril 18, 2025 at 6:54 PM

    If one side insists the sky is orange, that's not a 'both sided" problem.

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    1. Sometimes the sky is orange. Like when the early morning or late afternoon sun lights up a cloud deck.

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    2. If the sky happens to be orange somewhere, it is not orange in most other places. It’s likely blue, gray, or black.

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  2. The judge was not saying perhaps yes, perhaps no, but saying that the details of his case have no bearing on his right to due process.

    Somerby is obsessing over those details. The right is trying to portray Garcia as so awful that no one will care about his rights. The left is pushing back against the lies and trying to humanize Garcia. Somerby equates these as equally “thumb on scales” but that is incorrect. There are far more lies on the right and there is no basis for setting aside due process.

    When Somerby does this, ignoring the due process concern, it appears he is defending the right and unfairly maligning the left.

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    1. Jesus. The judge literally said, "Perhaps, but perhaps not" to the question of whether Garcia is a terrorist and a member of MS-13.

      Somerby has also said, more than once, that Garcia's treatment shocks the conscience.

      How is he ignoring the due process concerns when he says that? Why is his conscience shocked? Quick, make something up.

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    2. “Shocks the conscience” is a legal phrase used primarily in U.S. constitutional law. It originates from the case Rochin v. California (1952), where the Supreme Court held that government conduct that is so egregious or outrageous that it violates due process under the Fourteenth Amendment “shocks the conscience.”

      It isn’t a phrase invented to describe the violent, terrorist MS-13 gang banger wifebeater human trafficker Democrats are trying to bring back to our country to harm our families. It’s just a tired phrase overused by corrupt Democrat judges.

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    3. The judge in this case, Wilkinson, was appointed by Reagan.

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  3. “ refusal to let ourselves be told that we may not yet actually know.”

    The point isn’t whether he is or was in a gang.

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  4. Fox is now calling Garcia a criminal.

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  5. Confidence in Democratic congressional leadership plummeted to an all-time low of 25%, according to a new poll.

    The Gallup poll conducted between April 1-14 and released Thursday found that the confidence rating sunk nine points below the previous low-water mark for Democrats – 34% – which was recorded in 2023.

    The current rating is also well below the 45% average confidence level that Americans have had in Democratic congressional leadership since 2001.

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    1. The people want the Democratic Party to put more 2nd Amendment solutions to the country's Right-wing problem.

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  6. Should each individual have due process? When you look at a single individual, of course s/he should. However, when you consider that there are millions of illegal immigrants in the country, we don't have the resources to provide due process to most of them. I don't know how to deal with this contradiction.

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    1. i sure as hell know how NOT to deal with it: send them all to one of the worst prisons in the world for the rest of their lives, utterly cut off from the outside world with no chance of ever getting out

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    2. Decisions about the disposition of these people are much more easily made when you realize that your position grants you moral authority over them. Once you've come to terms with that , DiC, the answer to the question that you coyly pose here is as predictable as choosing to bomb Palestinian women and children.

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    3. Trump's plan with regard to migrants is as sharply defined and surgical as his tariff policy, the firing of government workers, withdrawal of science funding, and other DOGE activities. That is, it is collosally bungling and careless. Now the list of demands placed on Harvard have been reported by the White House to have never been meant to be sent to them, with the blame going to Harvard for not recognizing the White House's "mistake". It would be utterly comical if the dumbasses running this show weren't capable of alienating trade partners and allies, destroying people's lives capriciously, and disappearing 6 trillion dollars of wealth in a week. Nice job, and nice golf trophy.

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    4. David in Cal,
      I thought the Right-wing solution was to move to a better country, if the USA is too big of a shit hole for you.
      Are Right-wingers wrong, or is not practicing what they preach still THE mantra of the Right?

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    5. I keep telling Dave to make aliyah, and he ignores me.

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    6. Was Trump lying when he called the USA a shit hole country?

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  7. Jeez, idiot-Democrats.

    If endlessly bitching and moaning about a deportation of one illegal gangbanger is the best you got against Donald Trump, then Donald Trump really is the best fucking American president in history.

    Why didn't you, contemptible pharisees, haven't spent a fraction of your bitching-moaning time here to complain about Saint Obama actually killing thousands of innocent people with his appropriately named "predator" drones?

    What a comedy.

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    1. Where is Dr Logic when you need him?

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    2. ".....thousands of innocent people...."

      https://www.cfr.org/blog/obamas-final-drone-strike-data

      Nice try, troll. These numbers are corroborated by independent observation, as noted in the article. Trump increased drone strike activity after taking office in 2016 and decreased transparency and accountability. No one should be casual about civilian deaths nor should they grossly exaggerate them and pretend that the practice of drone strikes didn't occur before and after Obama took office.

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    3. 1:52,
      Glenn Greenwald, is that you?

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    4. One fallacy in 1:52's argument is to suppose a single complaint against President Trump now being voiced must be the 'best' or most 'significant' complaint to be made against him.

      But this is not necessarily true. To name just a few others, he has managed to bring about simultaneous selloffs in both the stock and bond markets, alienated long standing allies and befriended thuggish dictators, gutted necessary functions of the federal government while giving plum assignments to incompetent and often mentally unstable toadies, and generally has a displeasing, oddly orange, oleaginous appearance.

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    5. This whole Bob Somerby's post is about one thing only: the Trump Admin' evilly deporting one illegal gangbanger. You haven't noticed that, Soros-bot? Yes, it is.

      If this wasn't poster's best shot, surely it would've been only mentioned in passing (if at all), among other idiotic claims of you TDS-afflicted idiots. But no, this is the most prominent one, front and center.

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    6. Cope, Soros-bot.

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  8. Let's just agree that if you aren't telling a Right-winger to go fuck themselves, you're doing life wrong.

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