WEDNESDAY, APRIL 23, 2025
The Great I-Am rides again: Has it been shown that Kilmar Abrego Garcia is an MS-13 gang member? Should that be regarded as something which is "known?"
Somewhere within the bowels of the Fox News Channel, the answer seems to be no. This very morning, the channel's broadcast day started at 5 o'clock Eastern, as it does every weekday morning.
Fox & Friends First went on the air, with the standard two friends in the saddle. That said, is Abrego Garcia a known gang member? In the program's first few minutes, the chyrons on the screen said this:
Chyrons on today's Fox & Friends First:
DEMS DEMAND SUSPECTED GANG MEMBER'S RETURN TO U.S.
DEMS FIGHT TO RETURN SUSPECTED GANG MBR TO U.S.
He was now a suspected gang member! Indeed, it was still exactly 5:00 a.m. when newsreader Brooke Singman read this:
SINGMAN (4/23/25): Good morning, guys—that's right. The Maryland judge overseeing the case of suspected MS-13 gang member Kilmar Abrego Garcia is accusing the Trump administration of acting in willful bad faith...
Singman continued from there. But the channel's news day had started with this:
"SUSPECTED SUSPECTED SUSPECTED"
The word is first cousin to "alleged." It means that Fox News doesn't know!
Yesterday, the Washington Post published a long, sympathetic portrait of Abrego Garcia and his wife and their three kids—a portrait of his family life before he was renditioned to a foreign prison.
(For the record, we wouldn't say that he was "deported." His delivery to a foreign prison should make us stop using that word.)
At any rate, the lengthy profile in the Post painted a sympathetic portrait. Somewhere inside the bowels at Fox, someone has possibly been instructed to throw "suspected" in.
Somewhere behind the scenes, it looks like someone is being careful at the Fox News Channel. Is the channel tired of shedding hundreds of millions of dollars in defamation suits? Is this just Singman, restricting herself to what is known?
We can't answer that question. We can tell you this:
Any such caution is thrown to the winds when the channel's big stars get going.
Jesse Watters started out as Bill O'Reilly's silly-boy-in-the-street. Now, he's one of this powerful "news channel's" biggest primetime stars.
Last night, on his eponymous 8 p.m. "cable news" show, Watters offered his own assessment of Abrego Garcia's status. During his opening presentation, he mocked the four Democratic Party members of Congress who are currently in El Salvador, seeking Abrego Garcia's return.
The word "suspected" had disappeared. Before long, Watters was offering this:
WATTERS (4/22/25): Democrats are jealous that [President Trump] is doing things that they ran on and never did. That's what's making them crazy.
[...]
Why do you think they're flying to El Salvador to un-deport MS-13? Even though he ended up out of the country, they don't like the process.
The El Salvador Four are still down there, waiting to get margaritas with a gang member. But he's in jail because he's a gang member. So now they're just doing CNN hits from the hotel.
During the 8 o'clock hour last night, the word "suspected" was nowhere to be found. Inevitably, President Bukele's alleged margaritas had even been granted the status of fact.
Inevitably, as this imitation of life continued, the silly star said this:
WATTERS: The funny thing about crazy people is they don't know they're crazy. So Republicans are offering to pay for any Democrat who wants to go to El Salvador...
This never happened when Nancy was in charge. She wouldn't let her members fly to foreign countries for photo ops with MS-13.
The guy has MS-13 tatted on his knuckles! Even Nancy knows better than that.
Behind this silliest of all "cable news" boys—sitting directly over his shoulder—silly cartoon visuals supported his presentation.
DERANGED DEMS, one of these cartoon visuals said. THE END OFAN ERA, another visual said, with a photoshopped photo showing "Nancy" (Nancy Pelosi) wearing a cartoon crown.
Inevitably, also this:
A third visual showed a photo of Abrego Garcia. It sat above these words:
'VERIFIED MEMBER OF MS-13"
Early this morning, he was only "suspected." last night, in prime time, his status was broadcast as VERIFIED.
Beyond that, inevitably, Fox viewers were also told this:
The guy has MS-13 tatted on his knuckles!
So the silly child said.
Let's be fair to Watters, who's only 46 years old. That's what President Trump, "The Great I-Am," told the world last Friday evening in this post on X:
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
This is the hand of the man that the Democrats feel should be brought back to the United States, because he is such “a fine and innocent person.” They said he is not a member of MS-13, even though he’s got MS-13 tattooed onto his knuckles, and two Highly Respected Courts found that he was a member of MS-13, beat up his wife, etc. I was elected to take bad people out of the United States, among other things. I must be allowed to do my job. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
As you can see by clicking this link, the post included an alleged photograph. It seemed to show the knuckles on somebody's hand, allegedly that of Abrego Garcia.
Was it real or was it photoshopped? That's an important question. But the children who people Blue America's major news orgs have refused, to this very day, to address that obvious question.
Nothing to look at, those children have said. Let's just keep moving along. The president's claim has been allowed to stand—and it's being promulgated all over Red America, even as silence has invaded the suburbs of Blue America's floundering world.
So it has gone as the children of the Fox News Channel enjoy the license they've been granted by the finer people at the New York Times (and at NBC News, and at two other news channels).
The players at the New York times largely went to the finest schools. That said, they continue to grant a very wide berth to The Great I-Am.
Tomorrow, we'll return to Mary Trumps' best-selling book to show you her account of where that nickname came from. For today, we'll merely note this:
The finer people at the New York Times refuse to deal with reality.
As The Great I-Am keeps making ludicrous claims, the finer people in Blus America's elites keep saying this, if only implicitly:
Nothing to look at! Just move along!
As they avert their gaze, the former The Great I-Am's very strange statements continue. Checks are being mailed to millions of 140-year-old people. Also, just look at the gang member's hand!
When he stood before a joint session of Congress and made the speech about all those fraudulent checks, a tiny bit of desultory pushback may almost have seemed to occur. But at the heralded New York Times, the finer, better and smarter children are still refusing to come to terms with this:
Something sems to be wrong with the sitting president. He keeps saying the craziest things
Last Friday evening, there he went again. The New York Times, but also the Washington Post, has responded by saying this:
There's nothing to look at here. Try looking at Hegseth over there! Let's just keep moving along!
As of last Friday evening, The Great I-Am had spoken again. According to his niece, Mary Trump, how did this story begin?
Tomorrow: The clinical psychologist's tale
ReplyDelete"Has it been shown that Kilmar Abrego Garcia is an MS-13 gang member? Should that be regarded as something which is "known?""
Yes, Bob, I know. The best minds of the Universe have been trying to answer this fundamental question since time immemorial. Alas, to the modern man it's still a mystery.
It's not at all unusual that someone like yourself, twisted sick in the head Democrat, would be completely consumed by it. Go on, please. We all hope you will feel better eventually.
So Somerby is a mentally sick Democrat paid by Putin to lure other Democrats into supporting Trump. Do I have that right?
DeleteYou sound like one of 'em Democrats too.
DeleteIs Bob inferring something more with the “The Great I-AM” concept than just Trump believing he is God?
ReplyDeleteIf someone is as honest as Mao is saying Somerby is a Democrat, that should be good enough for all of us.
ReplyDeleteLOL.
Mao is dead, long live Mao.
DeleteWatters’ and Trump’s performances are stagecraft. They are performing a scripted drama designed to disempower the public by tricking them into consuming politics as entertainment. The elite media collaborates with them by not challenging them. Left media responds by accepting the theatrical framing of the story rather than exposing it as part of an organized manipulation. This encourages their audience to also follow the story like a serialized show. Readers of both camps are swayed in the same direction: to not act or think, only to watch and consume. Meanwhile the real operations of power continue unobserved, unchallenged, and undisturbed.
ReplyDeleteCan you define "Left media"?
DeleteThanks in advance.
When the right wing was collectively outraged by Hillary’s email server protocols in 2016, it was the left media that pushed back…oh wait, it was the most covered story of f 2016 in the mainstream/“left” media, with endless breathless front page reports.
DeleteAnd it was the same “left” media that pushed back against the right wing “Uranium One”/Clinton foundation innuendo…oh wait, that was a major front page “exposé” in the New York Times.
Yeah, that “left media.”
Bob: "Was it real or was it photoshopped? That's an important question." Indeed it is extremely important.
ReplyDeleteIf it's real, then the controversy over Garcia's MS 13 membership was ugly, anti-American nonsense. If it's fake, this is a new level of dishonesty from the Trump Administration, far beyond the usual exaggeration. Trump blames FoxNews for failing to question whether it was real. But, where's the blame for the mainstream and liberal media for failing to adequately cover this crucial information? Where's the blame for commenters here who said there was not evidence or said it was based on a shirt?
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
DeleteThose are his fucking tattoos, without a doubt, with marijuana leaf, smiley face, cross, and skull spelling "MS13". It's clearly visible on his photo with idiot Democrat Van Hollen, taken this months.
If it's real, then the controversy over Garcia's MS 13 membership was ugly, anti-American nonsense.
DeleteHuh? You mean concern over due process and habeas corpus -- a new-fangled 13th century invention -- is anti-American. We are truly visiting the upside down land.
DeleteEverything TDS-infected zombies do is ugly.
12:32 Nope.
DeleteD in C - you ask a reasonable question about the tattoo - is it real or photoshopped. As I understand it - the tattoo doesn't say the term "MS 13" on the fingers allegedly those of Garcia. The fingers show tattoos of a marijuana leaf, a smiley face, a cross, and a skull. I looked online to see if Trump's claim had been fact checked. I couldn't find any fact checks in my short search. Obviously, there is a difference between tattoos showing these symbols and the actual letters/numbers "MS13." If you are honest, which I think you basically try to be (as opposed to being quite biased), I'm sure you would admit that Trump is hardly a credible source of facts. I'm very skeptical about the claim that the tattoo means Garcia is an MS13 member. It's not even clear that the photo shows Garcia's actual hand. If this tattoo was such strong evidence, why wouldn't the administration have raised this in the court proceedings? I don't think it has been raised there, and as far as I know the first time it was raised was by Trump within the past couple of days.
DeleteAs far as other issues with Garcia - the initial hearing before an immigration judge was based on the judge's determination that information from a confidential informant appeared "trustworthy." Garcia appeals, and an appellate immigration judge upheld the hearing judge's decision. I posted about these hearings a few days ago.
In 2019, Garcia had another hearing before an immigration judge. (I'm not clear how this came about). This judge found that Garcia's responses to questions were "credible" - claiming that if he was sent back to El Salvador, there was a threat of attack by members of a gang. the judge issued an order "withholding removal" which meant he couldn't be deported (I'm not clear if it meant he couldn't be deported at all, or only prohibiting deportation to El Salvador. It might be, though, that there is a requirement that deportation be made to the deportee's home country). The government didn't appeal this decision.
Another point - apparently, Garcia is not eligible to claim asylum. That claim must be made within one year of the date of entry into the country - Garcia was in the US for 7 years at the time of his first hearing.
D in C - you come up short on another issue. Assume for the sake of argument that Garcia is a "member" of MS 13. Does that mean he should be imprisoned in this harsh super-prison in and of itself, without a trial or hearing to determine whether he committed any crimes, or without evidence that he committed a crime, given the second judge's decision? I would think if the government wanted to revoke the second judge's order, Garcia is entitled to due process, to the extent there must be real evidence of his membership in MS 13. The administration, from Trump on down, has dehumanized this guy as a terrorist. (They are big on dehumanizing undocumented immigrants. The law is the law, but why these vicious claims that they are mostly terrorists, criminals, etc?)). The administration claims it doesn't have to present real evidence because of "national security" concerns, which is classic government bullshit when it wants to cover its behind.
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Then, of course, there's a simple fact that Garcia has been in this country for about 15 years and never been accused of any criminal activity. But, sure, let's indict him based on his tattoos.
DeleteHey, Hegseth has white supremacists tattoos. Does anyone care?
We also know this, from the BBC:
Delete“ Since 2019, when he was released with the protective order, Mr Abrego Garcia's lawyers say he has had yearly check-ins with immigration officials, which he has attended "without fail and without incident".”
1:42 Politifact
DeleteIt was photoshopped, crickets from DiC.
DeleteAC/MA: "The fingers show tattoos of a marijuana leaf, a smiley face, a cross, and a skull. I looked online to see if Trump's claim had been fact checked."
DeleteIf it's not MS13 tattoo, then why would your bots were ordered to lie that it was photoshopped, genius?
The old tattoos are faded and curl with the hand. The "MS13" is the stupidest looking Photoshop I have seen in a long time. With all the money the Dogees are "saving" spend more money on your bullshit Photoshop lies. Even a magat moran could look at the blown up pictures taken of his hand tattoos and compare to the bullshit Felon team picture and see with their own eyes how fucking lame this claim is. Another day another 1,000 lies. Also too, the question is mute, try him in court, you know - due process, you fascist loving pigs.
DeleteAnother thing that Bob and the mainstream media underplay is the level of threat from immigrant gangs. I think this story should be big news, not just in the conservative New York Post. Trump’s mass deportation raids result in 655% spike in arrests of terrorists roaming US — including one of India’s ‘most wanted’
ReplyDeleteanother thing the liberal mainstream media has vastly underplayed - the sun has risen in the east every single day since trump has been inaugurated
DeleteIs it the same India that sent assassins to Canada to kill a dissident?
DeleteThey didn't send a Predator drone, did they? Too civilized for that, perhaps.
DeleteThe retired actuary who is fearful of being killed by MS13 must be sleeping better at night.
Delete1:58 - How does the fate of a bunch of future, unknown people compare with the fate of a single known person? Many innocent lives are probably being saved by excluding these bad people. But, we can't point to any specific person. Also, our hypothesis might be wrong. Maybe leaving these bad people in the country would not have caused more murders.
DeleteThis is a challenging philosophical question. We seem to deal with it when it applies to the environment. We can't point to any specific individual who will be harmed by global warming. Yet we do accept the idea that many unknown people will be harmed by global warming.
"This is a challenging philosophical question."
DeleteIf only the founders of our country had provided us with some set of rules, like a guiding document to help us handle such challenges...
"Many innocent lives are probably being saved by excluding these bad people."
DeleteWe can generalize this insight, right? If someone is accused of murder, why have a trial? Getting this murderer off the street will save lives, and if the murderer goes to trial, maybe the murderer somehow beats the rap. So a trial is counter-productive, if our goal is to save innocent lives, right?
So, let's just rescind the due process and jury trial protections of the Constitution so we can protect innocent victims!
@David
DeleteYesterday, you wrote that you don't know how to find relevent numbers about issues in the news. So you just made some up.
Today, I will demonstrate how to find reliable data.
In the address bar of your browser (any browser will do) type the following:
google.com
When the Google website loads, type a question in plain English into the search field, like this:
How many immigration judges does the United States have?
And presto! You'll magically get an answer!
"The United States has approximately 700 immigration judges. These judges are stationed in 71 immigration courts and adjudication centers across the country."
If you use the method regularly, you'll avoid embarrassing mistakes like assuming that there are only 50 immigration judges to handle the nationwide caseload.
And I'm sure we can trust a Dear Leader to make the right decisions on who should be jailed without trial and who should be transported to a torture gulag in a foreign land, right?
Delete"The United States has approximately 700 immigration judges. These judges are stationed in 71 immigration courts and adjudication centers across the country."
DeleteKeep in mind that the Immigration Bill that Trump took a shit on before the election provided funding for a significant hiring increase of immigration judges.
Additional Immigration Judges. The bill provides $440 million for the Department of Justice (DOJ) to hire additional immigration judge teams to increase the capacity of the immigration courts..
Alas, we don't want to solve the problem, we prefer to demagogue the problem
The retired actuary numbers guy has said he fears tha MS13 will kill him. He comes here with inuenda, speculation and no data to support his paranoia. So let’s speculate about how many future lives will be saved, presenting no data about the present.
DeleteCut DiC some slack, he is not a "retired actuary", or any of the other things he claims, he is a troll chained to a computer in some windowless bunker, lonely and desperate for attention.
DeleteThe odds that one will get run over by a MAGA idiot in his giant truck are about five orders of magnitude greater than being harmed by any of the mythologized gangs.
DeletePS: Fiver orders of magnitude is 10000 times.
PPS: I am probably understating it, but I am very conservative when I pull out stats out of thin air.
DiC breathlessly quotes the NY Post's headline, but the story's lede adds an important qualifier:
Delete"The Trump administration’s mass deportation raids have nabbed more than 200 known or suspected terrorists since January..."
If you didn't see the hook lurking inside that juicy clickbait the first time round, I have helpfully pointed it out.
QiB: It's interesting how the suspects are being described as "terrorists". Do we know of any acts of terror that they have perpetrated and planned? This is all part of the transparent fear-mongering scheme, where the immigrants are given a scary moniker to justify their inhumane treatment. Everything that Trump administration has done is predicated on a lie.
Delete2:58 DiC is unrestricted by facts. His kinship with Trump rests upon it. Trump is the king of trolls, DiC A mere minion.
DeleteD in C - you seem to have gullibly fallen for the propaganda that Trump has spewed out from day one - and that his MAGA followers lap up - that the undocumented immigrants are dangerous, they are criminals, murderers, terrorists for the most part. When one of them commits a horrendous crime, Fox and the right-wing websites play it up bigtime but in reality, most of them are people trying to escape poverty, or for better opportunities in the U.S., and are not terrorists or criminals. (In my view some libs have gone to an extreme, essentially seeming to advocate open borders. Libertarians seem to espouse this as well. Biden did deport a lot of undocumented migrants also, as did Obama). But Trump demonizes migrants, dehumanizing them, similar to the way Hitler did with the Jews. You might want to consider what is really going on before swallowing the MAGA propaganda.
Delete*It's interesting how the suspects are being described as "terrorists"." They are terrorists! They said Bibi should stop indiscriminately bombing the shit out of Gaza!! The horror!!! They are trying to kill all good Americans!!!!
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Delete"But Trump demonizes migrants, dehumanizing them, similar to the way Hitler did with the Jews."
This is truly idiotic. "Jew", according to Nazi laws, was a innate, inherent characteristic of the person. "Illegal migrant" is something the person does, something he chooses to do.
Capish? Don't commit the crime of unauthorized border crossing, and -- voila -- you're not demonized. Don't do it, AC/MA. Just don't do it, and you'll be fine.
So if this guy is not a gang member, what does he do for a living?
ReplyDeleteHe's been in the living illegally in this country for at least 5 or more years, so how does he support himself, his lady and his 3 kids? What is his occupation? Is he doing the jobs that us Americans won't do? Where are the testimonials from his friends and neighbors about his upright and moral character and that the suggestion that he is a gang member is absurd?
This guy has been the eye of a media hurricane for the last week and the fact that we don't know the answers to these questions is because the liberal media knows that the answers to these questions would not advance the narrative and destroy his use in attacking Trump and his policies.
I can't stand these people, who come to my country, and pull themselves up by their bootstraps.
DeleteWhere did they get the idea that kind of thing is American?
"... the fact that we don't know the answers to these questions is because the liberal media knows that the answers to these questions would not advance the narrative and destroy his use in attacking Trump and his policies."
DeleteKarl Marx warned us about corporations owning the (liberal) media, over a century ago, but stupid people thought they knew better.
It's no wonder we can't afford to vet immigrants.
Anon@ 1:18:
DeletePulled up his bootstraps how exactly? By non-gang related activities?
You don't know, which is exactly the point that Anon@ 1:11 was making.
...we don't know the answers to these questions...
DeleteOne of the first questions you can ask him when he is returned per the Supreme Court ruling, maggot breath.
"So if this guy is not a gang member, what does he do for a living?"
DeleteSheet-metal worker. Look it up.
QiB - I feel your pain. There is one group of commenters who try to say things accurately, and will look up facts before stating them here, and there is another group who like to just make shit up.
Delete3:21 -- A case in point.
DeleteAnon@1:11: knock yourself out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-UZUjX8AcQ
DeleteGarcia was in this country legally and working.
Regardless, Garcia and everyone kidnapped was still entitled to due process.
DeleteThe objective of Fox programming is to create an alternate reality. In that reality, Garcia -- a metal worker, husband, father to an autistic child -- is one of the greatest threats that the United States has ever faced. It is important for Fox viewers to understand that based on his tattoos and some vague accusations Garcia had to be kidnapped and disappeared into a prison in El Salvador. Due process? Don't be ridiculous! How can one even contemplate that in face of mortal danger that we are all facing from Garcia.
ReplyDeleteCertainly, there are posters on this site who breathe a little easier knowing that they won't stumble into Garcia in some dark alley.
Furthermore, this is then conflated with: "we can't give every 'illegal' a hearing; there are millions and millions of them". This is a bit of mindless sophistry, but propaganda doesn't have to be particularly sophisticated. it's just a mantra that can be incanted again and again.
"propaganda doesn't have to be particularly sophisticated -- it's just a mantra"
DeleteThis insight deserves emphasis.
We are witnessing it in real time. We are also witnessing how people, e.g. David In Cal, are willing to repeat verbatim the simple-minded propaganda that they get on Fox.
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DeleteSoros-bots despise simple-minded propaganda!
Thanks for the laughs.
DiC has called our attention to the NY Post today. Lately, I have noticed a peculiar habit of theirs. The hyperlinks in the text of their news stories often link to earlier stories that have nothing to do with the hyperlink.
DeleteHere's an example from today's NY Post:
"Singh is one of his home country’s 'most wanted men'”
The embedded link contains this address:
https://nypost.com/2025/02/27/us-news/suspected-russian-terrorist-bit-ice-officers-finger-during-arrest/
And that link takes you to a story with this headline:
"Suspected Russian terrorist bit ICE officer’s finger during arrest in downtown LA, cops say"
There's nothing at all in the story about Harpreet Singh or India. The Post is giving readers the false impression that assertions of fact are supported by evidence--but then they don't provide any evidence at all.
Slippery and shoddy.
Oh, and before anyone suggests that this was a one-off mistake--no, it isn't.
DeleteIlya - You pricked my ego. First of all, I do not watch FoxNews, so I wasn't parroting them. I do my own mathematical analyses. I believe I'm a lot better at it than the people on FoxNews or pretty much any of the media.
DeleteYou may disagree with my analysis of why we can't give nearly hearings to illegal immigrants. But at least you could have seen it right here a couple of days ago. BTW I have yet to see any analysis of how we CAN give hearings to all the illegal immigrants who deserve them.
DeleteWhat's the point of this "hearing", David? What's there to "hear"?
Anyone who is not a citizen or legal resident needs to be deported. That's the law. It's plain obvious.
The only possible issue is when someone is claiming to be a citizen or legal resident, but can't produce any document of affidavit to prove it. But I don't think it happens too often.
"I don't think." Well you got that part right.
DeleteDavid -- First of all, we can't give everyone -- between 10-30mil -- a hearing is a strawman. If you're doing your own analysis, you should be able to recognize it as such. as I've mentioned before, these millions of people are not going to magically materialize in a single courtroom. By far, most of them cannot be easily discovered. Some have been here for a generation of more. So, here's a question for you, David: how come you can't realize that your argument is a strawman?
DeleteCorporate media for once did not fall for Trump's distraction, and Somerby has a meltdown.
ReplyDeleteSomething sems to be wrong with the sitting president. He keeps saying the craziest things
ReplyDeleteHe says crazy things and then the stock market or bond market blows up. His handlers explain to him that he made that happen with his crazy talk. And then they get him to walk it all back.
"Tariffs! Um, well, maybe later. Firings! Oh, never said that. Shut down the agencies! Or not."
Constant uncertainty isn't good for a country or its economy.
QiB - But "constant uncertainty" has to be great, financially, for those insiders with even a few minutes of advance notice of these wild policy gyrations.
DeleteTrump is running a pump and dump scheme with our entire economy, laughing all the way to the bank, with a cadre of lackeys to carry his water for him, like our local hero, whose slyness is so unsophisticated it causes second hand embarrassment.
DeleteTrump is running a pump and dump scheme with our entire economy
DeleteThis! It's as clear as day.
DfG: It's possible. For certain.
DeleteThere is no such thing as a pump and dump scheme as applied to an entire economy. There is no market for entire economies. Even if Trump fraudulently boosted the US economy, he can't turn around and sell the entire US economy to someone.
DeleteDump - I declare we are at war and require the highest tariffs in history. Pump - never mind, I is stoopid. Fuck off Nazi David.
DeleteSomerby once again seems hell bent on proving he is a dumbass that couldn't think his way out of a box, because, you know, its a day of a week.
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ReplyDeleteIllegal gangbangers of the World unite! Unite with idiot-Democrats of the World!
What's with men and their violent streaks?
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