WEDNESDAY: We've been hearing statements which almost sound...

WEDNESDAY, APRIL 16, 2025

..."sociopathy adjacent:" Maybe he didn't mean the statement the way it could possibly sound.

We refer to Scott Jennings. He's a "Sensible Republican" now "Gone Wild" on the 10 p.m. weeknight program, CNN NewsNight with Abby Phillip.

Phillip herself is thoroughly capable. Every night, she's forced to frame the program in the manner shown:

"Americans with different perspectives aren't talking to each other. But here, they do."

In fact, Americans with different perspectives are more often talking over each other on this particular program. That has been especially true when the seemingly reinvented Jennings sometimes might almost seem to be inviting disputes on this show.

Last night, the gang was overtalking each other about the bungled rendition of Kilmar Abrego Garcia into a Central American hellhole. More to the point, they were overtalking each other about the administration's refusal to try to get the wrongly rendered Abrego Garcia back.

Abrego Garcia has been sent to a dystopian hellhole—possibly never to be heard from again—through an admitted "administrative error." In the midst of all the wrangling, Jennings came up with this:

JENNINGS (4/15/25): What is the compelling reason to put this person back in the country?

To our ear, that was a remarkable question. Maybe he didn't intend for it to sound the way it almost does.

What would be the compelling reason to try to get Abrego Garcia back? In our view, Judge Paula Xinis taught it flat and taught it round in her initial order concerning this case.

Yesterday, Judge Xinis presided over the latest fruitless court session involving the foot-dragging Trump administration. This morning, in a front-page news report, the New York Times quoted what Judge Xinis said in her initial order about the need to retrieve Abrego Garcia:

Judge Rebukes Administration’s Efforts to Return Wrongly Deported Man

A federal judge scolded the Trump administration on Tuesday for dragging its feet in complying with a Supreme Court order that directed the White House to “facilitate” the release of a Maryland man who was wrongly deported to a prison in El Salvador last month.

“To date nothing has been done,” the judge, Paula Xinis, told a lawyer for the Justice Department. “Nothing.”

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In her initial order directing the White House to bring Mr. Abrego Garcia back from El Salvador, Judge Xinis found that the Trump administration had flown him out of the country “without notice, legal justification or due process.”

Moreover, she chided government officials for having made “a grievous error” by deporting him, adding that the White House, by then refusing to retrieve him from one of the most “inhumane and dangerous prisons in the world,” had exposed him to harm that “shocks the conscience.”

In the absence of anything resembling due process, the Trump administration had sent him to a vicious "prison" from which he might never return. They've admitted that the rendition was done, in violation of a standing court order, through "administrative error."

Since then, the administration has made no attempt to bring Abrego Garcia back. This web of behavior "shocks the conscience," Judge Xinis simply said.

What's the reason to bring this person back? The degree of harm to which he's been exposed "shocks the conscience," this federal judge simply said. 

The whole thing strikes us that way too. That said, it's often said that a certain category of disordered or afflicted human being may perhaps lack a conscience.

As a matter of colloquial shorthand, it's often said that "sociopaths" don't actually have a conscience. With respect to the matter at hand, we'd say a fair number of people have been engaging in conduct on cable TV which can almost seem to be "sociopathy adjacent."

One of our favorites comes to mind. Here was Greg Gutfeld, co-host of The Five, on last evening's show:

GUTFELD (4/15/25): ...Biden opened the border, millions came in, and surely murderers and rapists were part of that. Now we’re deporting hundreds of thousands, and surely one or two might not be criminal. 

However, compare the error. In one of these errors, Americans don’t die. At worst, a guy gets sent to a country he doesn’t want to go to. You know what? I can live with that.

Already, note the way this unusual fellow has finessed the facts. In his construction, Abrego Garcia has merely been "sent to a country he doesn’t want to go to!"

He may have been sent to the south of France! Greg Gutfeld can live with that! 

At any rate, hat's "the worst" situation that Gutfeld was prepared to imagine. When Jessica Tarlov inserted a reality check, Gutfeld went all adjacent:

TARLOV (continuing directly): Into a prison camp? Not just out into the wild—

GUTFELD: Look! I’m sorry, Jessica. I understand your concern, but I refuse to care about one person who is an illegal alien when the mental shelf space I have is now reserved for victims of crime, which I’ve been talking about for years. 

The fellow went on from there. Meanwhile, alas, poor Gutfeld! He has a finite amount of "mental shelf space." He can't manage the tiny bit of space it would take to say something like this:

Actually, yes! Given their grievous error, the Trump administration should be trying to get this person back.

"One or two" people might be innocent, the TV star acknowledged—but he said he can live with that! Beyond that, he said he currently lacks the mental space to worry about this one person. He said he "refuses to care."

"I refuse to care about one person who is an illegal alien?" No one says he should actually care, or that he has to care a lot. But there he was, saying he chooses not to be concerned about the possibility that one of those people who aren't vicious criminals might have been sent, for life, into a dystopian hellhole.

He isn't even willing to say that Abrego Garcia should be brought back. In fairness, his refusal could simply reflect the fact that he's being paid to avoid such statements.

As you know, a basic question lurks behind the scene of this case. That question goes like this:

It's true that Abrego Garcia entered the country without authorization (illegally). Also, he didn't then seek asylum. 

That said:

Is it true that he was, or that he still is, a member of MS-13? To our ear, dueling observers from the two Americas have had their thumbs on the scale in dueling ways regarding that basic question. 

That brings us back to yesterday's question. Did Pam Bondi shock the world by making an accurate statement? We refer to what she said when she addressed President Trump at that recent cabinet meeting.

In yesterday afternoon's report, we laid out this basic question. Tomorrow, we'll link you to the two court sessions the attorney general cited.

For today, we'll close with this:

It "shocks the conscience," Judge Xinis said. But according to pop psychology, a certain percentage of adult males may not exactly have one—and the press corps has agreed that such questions can't be discussed. 

Does Marco Rubio have a conscience? Given what he said at that recent cabinet meeting, inquiring minds might occasionally want to see such questions discussed.

Tomorrow: Just because two judges said it, that doesn't mean it's true


87 comments:



  1. "He's a "Sensible Republican" ..."

    Ha-ha. Let's just simplify and call those clowns "idiot-Democrats", together with the actual idiot-Democrats. But anyhow: thanks for the laughs.

    "It's true that Abrego Garcia entered the country without authorization (illegally)."

    And now he's out. What else is there to say? Case closed. Moreover, he is actually in his native country, as you would, for some reason, prefer. Everybody's happy. No? Why the fuck not?

    "It "shocks the conscience," Judge Xinis said. [...] Does Marco Rubio have a conscience?"

    Ah, idiot-Democrats speaking like true pious Pharisees. Nice.

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    1. Cope, Soros-bot.

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    2. What else is there to say? There was a court order enjoining the immigration service from returning him to El Salvador. That was violated when they deported him. The govt fucked up and they owe restitution by returning Abrego Garcia to his previous life.

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    3. anon 3:54 - Am I getting your position right? that this guy Garcia entered the country illegally; now he's out (in the CECOT prison in El Salvador); which "moreover is his native country" which you suggest TDH "for some reason" would prefer.
      That an immigration judge had issued an order that he not be deported; that Garcia has not been convicted of a crime; that he wasn't just deported to El Salvador and let go there, but was sent to this hell hole super prison where it appears there is no avenue for him ever to be released; he has never been convicted of a crime, and there appears to be no evidence that he ever committed one; and there is no real evidence he's ever has been a member of a gang; that the administration acknowledges that he was sent to this prison by mistake- all that apparently, to you is irrelevant.
      Anyone who questions his treatment, according to you is an "idiot-Democrat." This would apparently include the entire US Supreme Court, which issue a unanimous decision that Trump should get him back here.
      I'm wasting my time here, I realize - I don't think you have a conscience or a sense of fairness. If I'm wrong, please tell me how.

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    4. The guy who calls people idiot-Democrats is a troll. He has no purpose for being here beyond that. There is usually no substance to his comments other than to provoke, so you probably are wasting your time.

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    5. anon 5:29, note that I myself said "I'm wasting my time here." Still, I wanted him to get this type of response.

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    6. Anonymouse 5:29pm, what purpose do anonymices have in being here other than to oppose Bob in every way? To the point of calling the blogger a pedophile. Anonymices aren’t a wit different from the guy you’re criticizing, you just write longer posts.

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    7. No one has called Somerby a pedophile except you trolls.

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    8. Cecelia, you aren't doing Somerby any favors by repeating that claim.

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    9. Anonymouse 8:06pm, oh, you’ve written reams on Bob and young girks.

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    10. Anonymouse 8:08pm, I’m not going to pretend that you haven’t said he goes for young girls.

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    11. I said that calling Anne Frank's photo "worth the price of the book" and gushing over her beauty when she is an ordinary gawky 12 year old is creepy and weird. I believe I said it was like White Supremacist gloating too. You are the one calling him a pedophile and you've done it several times now. I also said he gushed over Malala and defended Roy Moore. Those are simple facts.

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    12. Anonymouse 8:23pm, you’ve written reams on Bob and young girls as opposed to of-age females. You sole intention is to smear him as a perv, and no Anne Frank was never just a gawky girl. You’re creepy and horrifyingly malevolent.

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    13. "That an immigration judge had issued an order that he not be deported"

      And was that judge's name Jehovah, to make you so slavishly servile that you regard any different opinion as sacrilege?

      I don't remember you pearl-clutching when this happened: "The Supreme Court tried to block me from relieving student debt. But they didn’t stop me." And it was just last year.

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    14. Anons accused Somerby of being a Republican, and Cecelia immediately accuses them of calling Bob a pedophile.
      Cecelia's correct. It's a distinction without a difference.

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  2. "In fact, Americans with different perspectives are more often talking over each other on this particular program."

    This is how you identify a Republican. They have two interview/debate tactics. They talk over other people and they engage in the "Gish gallop" where they spew a string of misstatements quickly moving from one to the next so that no interviewer or debater can address them all, much less get them to focus on one.

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  3. Imagine believing that bringing a violent, wife beating illegal immigrant MS-13 terrorist back into your country demonstrates anything but a complete lack of conscience and morality.

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    1. Yeah! Fuck due process and the rule of law! We're America, the land of the (formerly) free!

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    2. Garcia is being accused of a lot of unproven things. Why? Does smearing someone enable the govt to do whatever they want to them? If so, we are all vulnerable to mistreatment.

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    3. Anon@4:38: Exactly! This is straight out of Kafka. A mere specter of accusation is enough to ruin someone's life and to disappear them. I will ignore the incoherent babble of the initial poster, for it fails to stand up to the most basic scrutiny. Anon@4:04 is either severely intellectually deficient or they are so deep in the cultist thinking that they are loath to ask the most basic questions.

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  4. A couple of mistakes in Bob's presentation right off the bat. It's not just Garcia, who was unlawfully renditioned. The Venezuelans sent to that prison were also unlawfully renditioned.
    Furthermore, those people were not deported. They were kidnapped and sent off to a black hole.
    Yes, Jenning's question was mind-bending. The public good served by brining Garcia (and others) back is to emphasize that we follow the law in this country.

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  5. " That said, it's often said that a certain category of disordered or afflicted human being may perhaps lack a conscience."

    A conscience is what allows us to know right from wrong. It is a moral compass. The awareness of grievous harm to another person comes not from conscience but from a sense of empathy, the ability to understand and feel what another person is experiencing. Sociopaths understand what is right and wrong, they know they are doing wrong when they do it, but they choose to do wrong out of self interest. They lack the compass to the extent that they will do right or wrong as it suits them, not constrained by social norms. It is empathy that they lack. Sometimes they actively enjoy cruelty for the sake of cruelty, because they enjoy inflicting pain on others.

    Somerby imagines that sociopaths entirely lack knowledge of right and wrong and feel no empathy. It isn't that, so much as that they don't care about conforming to law or norms, and they don't care about the pain of other people. They only care about their own feelings and needs. That is certainly Trump. It is also many Republicans, because the reactions and beliefs and policies held by Republicans are less dictated by empathy and adherence to group interests than Republicans, who are individualistic, not concerned about common good, and not concerned about the opinions of others except to avoid punishment for misdeeds. Republicans have different personalities than Democrats, which dictate their membership in their party, not vice versa.

    Today Somerby dabbles in psychology, then refers to the scientific findings about sociopathy as "pop psychology," a term reserved for pseudo science as psychologists use it. Somerby perhaps thinks that all psychology is pop psychology. He clearly doesn't understand much about how people's minds work and how human behavior works. That makes it distressing when Somerby tries to use psychological concepts to justify one of the ideas he has pulled from his ass.

    Before he does more of this pop analysis of political figures, Somerby should perhaps read Jonathan Haidt's (2013) book: "The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion".

    Trump may be a sociopath, but he has not been diagnosed as such. It would be better to say that he is not a good person, has behaved as a criminal and traitor to our country, assaults women and is grifter and conman, since all of that is obvious from his behavior and his court convictions. It does not matter why he does such things and no actual psychologist would go around using labels the way Somerby throws them around, when there are more descriptive things to call the man.

    Somerby's next step is usually to conclude that because Trump was mistreated in youth or born a sociopath, then he deserves pity. Conscience doesn't work that way. Neither does empathy. We constrain bad people and keep them out of power in order to protect society, not to punish someone like Trump (assuming we could). The innocents of our country do not deserve what Trump is doing to them. Our laws and norms protect us all. It is time for Somerby to stop trying to use psychology to excuse Trump and urge our people to defend themselves from this predator and the hyenas who follow him around to feast on his scraps.

    Somerby's profound lack of understanding of human relationships shows in today's essay. I do not feel sorry for anyone who is a Trump-enabler, but rather for Trump's victims.

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    1. Typo correction: "because the reactions and beliefs and policies held by Republicans are less dictated by empathy and adherence to group interests than Republicans" should say "...adherence to group interests than Democrats". Apologies for any confusion.

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    2. New sentence, Republicans views are less dictated by empathy... The "who" is confusing. Should have read through for clarity before posting comment.

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  6. The point of Gutfeld's argument was to support Trump and the govt, not to fully consider the moral implications of what happened to Garcia. There is no shelf space because Gutfeld is only concerned with defending what the govt did, not with thinking about any of the details of the case. It is probably not fair to call Gutfeld sociopath-adjacent when he is ONLY thinking about defending the govt, which is kowtowing to authority, not a moral question at all. Gutfeld is just following orders, as people do in an authoritarian society. That is what we are becoming.

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  7. Somerby could be saying even though Trump is disordered, not all Republicans are.
    That he doesn't, is why I think Somerby might not be a Right-winger.

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    1. Sociopaths tend to think that the way they are is good, smart, clever, not bad. Somerby may believe that too.

      Remember Trump's pride over not paying his taxes and his bragging about how he gets women to Billy Bush. Trump is a Pick Up Artist type of bro in the manosphere. Somerby is MGTOW (men going their own way). Neither thinks there is anything wrong with themselves. Republicans think they are smart for being Republicans.

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    2. You assert that "sociopaths tend to think the way they are is good, smart and clever" and that TDH "may believe that too.' It's ambiguous - are you saying that TDH may believe that sociopaths tend to think they are good smart and clever? or are you saying that TDH "may" think that he is "good, smart and clever." Are you suggesting that TDH is like a sociopath? You then state, categorically, that TDH is a "MGTOW (men going their own way)" Is that a thing? is it bad? other than your speculation that TDH may think he's "good, smart and clever," what leads to assert that TDH is a "MGTOW?"

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    3. Sorry, that was unclear. I don't think TDH knows anything about sociopaths. I am not suggesting that Somerby is a sociopath because reasoning from symptoms back to a syndrome is the logical fallacy of affirming the consequent. You diagnose a syndrome by observing a pattern that consists of multipe symptoms and ruling out alternative possibilities. I meant that Somerby thinks he is good, smart and clever, like many Republicans and probably a lot of Democrats too.

      MGTOW is a real thing in the manosphere, a place on the internet (consisting of multiple websites) where men sharing attitudes about women gather to discuss their views. Here is what AI says about it:

      "While MGTOW isn't spearheaded by a single individual, Milo Yiannopoulos is often credited with helping popularize it through his 2014 Breitbart article, "The Sexodus". Yiannopoulos described men who were rejecting women, love, sex, and marriage due to feminism. He was a prominent voice in the manosphere, which is a community of men who share similar beliefs and concerns about women and relationships.
      Other key figures associated with MGTOW and the broader men's rights movement include:
      Paul Elam: He is known for his website, A Voice for Men (AVFM), which functions as a central discussion platform for men's rights issues.
      MGTOW.com: This website is another prominent online hub for MGTOW followers.
      Various Reddit forums: Forums like /r/MensRights and /r/TheRedPill are also used for discussions and organization within the movement.
      The red pill/blue pill metaphor is also commonly used to identify those who identify with men's rights and MGTOW ideologies, further highlighting the influence of these online communities. "

      Men's rights movement - Wikipedia

      If Somerby considered his attitudes towards his mother and toward women a bad thing, he could seek therapy. It depends on whether he is happy or unhappy with his life. My reasons for classifying him include: (1) he is not and has never been married but doesn't seem to be gay either, (2) he has self-admitted issues concerning his relationship with his mother, (3) he expresses distrust of women especially concerning relationships with men, as evidenced by his own statements about women in the news such as Stormy Daniels, Chanel Miller, Trump's accusers (4) he has expressed negative views about feminists from time to time, (5) he defended Roy Moore in various ways related to repressive laws and social attitudes, (6) he has been critical of Harris, Clinton, a variety of female journalists, Maddow, (7) he is generally not supportive of women's rights or women's issues, (8) he defended Brock Turner and Trump, both rapists, (9) he is fascinated by the "sexual politics" in Homer's Iliad in which men dominate women and treat them like property, often returning to the topic.

      The second segment of the manosphere are the Pick Up Artists who seek to manipulate women using techniques they share with each other. They admire people like Andrew Tate, who is their guru. The third are the incels (involuntarily celibate) who have an elaborate theory about men being divided into alphas (Chads) and betas (cucks) based on manliness and looks. Incels tend to dislike women and tend to idolize men, including those who have committed mass shootings of women as revenge for sexual rejection. They admire Jordan Peterson and think the govt should assign women to single men for sexual use. They think women are in their prime at age 17 and that women with a sexual history are damaged goods.

      Yes, this is a real thing and there are dysfunctional men participating at these websites. I do not know that Somerby does, but I see some congruence between his attitudes expressed on this blog and what men are writing there. All three groups are misogynists and blame women for bad things in their lives.

      David Futrelle has been documenting the manosphere for a long time, took a break but is now back again:

      https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/

      https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wtf-is-a-mgtow-a-glossary/

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  8. "Senator Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) accused the Trump administration of blatantly lying about the whereabouts of wrongfully deported immigrant Kilmar Ábrego García on Wednesday.

    After touching down in El Salvador to inquire about García's whereabouts, Van Hollen said that he was not able to see García nor even to have a phone call with him.

    Per CBS News' Scott MacFarlane, Van Hollen explicitly said that "the Trump administration is lying" about García." [Rawstory]

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    1. Sen. Van Hollen demanded to meet with Kilmar Abrego Garcia. He was told by the VP of El Salvador that such a meeting would have to be arranged through the Trump administration.

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    2. Cecilia, what's your take on how the Trump administration sent Garcia to this prison and it's response to critics and to the courts' orders? You saw mine above.

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    3. My take is that the Trump Admin has said that they made a mistake in deporting him. All nine SCOTUS justices have said García needs to be brought back. Bring him back. If only to cut your losses.

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    4. Van Hollen is the senator from Maryland, the state where Garcia lives. He has standing to inquire about him and verify his health and safety.

      The Trump administration has walked back its admission that it deported Garcia in error. It is now saying that the deportation was legal because Garcia violated his status by being an MS-13 gang member. There is no evidence that he has ever belonged to that gang, so that appears to be a pretext to justify their actions violating the court order not to send him to El Salvador. It is unclear whether Trump actually wants to challenge the Supreme Court ruling by defying it, or not.

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    5. Anonymouse 7:06pm, there have been years old documents recently released by the DoJ that associate García with gang activity. He entered the U.S. illegally and his wife had a restraining order against him at one point. Now she says he’s the perfect husband. It doesn’t matter. The best thing the admin could do is to have this one over.

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    6. The so-called gang association consists of a statement that he was wearing a Chicago Bulls hoody and a statement that he was a high up member of MS-13 in Long Island NY, a place he has never lived. That was not considered evidence by the courts sufficient to deport him in 2019, when he received the order preventing his deportation to El Salvador. Given that his father was a police officer in El Salvador and his family was being persecuted there as part of extortion of their family business, it seems unlikely he would be part of any gang. He entered the US illegally at age 16 fleeing gang violence against his family, without parents. He later applied for asylum and was granted it, so he was here legally after that (2019). His wife filed a temporary protection order that was never finalized and he was never charged with domestic violence or arrested for that or anything else. That was over 5 years ago, they have multiple children together and they were living together as man and wife when he was kidnapped. The way the govt has distorted these facts to make him appear dangerous is an abuse of power that smears a person who was married to a citizen, himself here legally, breaking no laws, and working at a trade after completing an apprenticeship. People living solid, respectable lives shouldn't be subject to govt terrorism.

      There was no advance notice, no deportation letter or hearing, no evidence presented that he had broken any rule or law, and his family was not told where he was or why he had been taken. She saw a news photo and recognized him. We are not the kind of place where people just disappear off the streets like that, mistake or not. Every one of the people deported deserved a chance to present evidence and be told why they were being deported. The whisking away of people without recourse is the lack of due process. Due process is guaranteed by our Constitution and it applies to everyone, not just citizens. Even illegals. This idea that certain people deserve to be treated without any respect for their rights is a blot on our country.

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    7. Correction: married, not just living together

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    8. Anonymouse 7:58pm, the ONLY way Trump “wins” this is in the court of public opinion. What matters first of all is that Garcia doesn’t get dead and there’s the chance that he might. What matters after that is how the public views all the breast-beating over this man. That’s what the Admin is working on now.

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    9. What matters is that people in America not be disappeared.

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    10. This reminds me of the time the GOP tried to sway public opinion, by pretending there was a Republican voter who isn't a bigot.
      I wouldn't expect to see Garcia or that voter anytime this decade.

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  9. I don't think this is an issue of right or wrong for conservatives. I think it is a partisan battle in which the left cannot be allowed to win -- with the sides fighting over this poor man's life. Who cares more about winning than doing what's right? Trump of course.

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  10. You don't diagnose sociopathy (or sociopathy adjacent) by statements people make, especially on TV.

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  11. Thom Hartmann analyzes support for the idea that great depressions lead to widespread wars approximately every 80 years, caused by Republican policies and greed:

    "In three weeks, on my birthday May 7th, it’ll be exactly 80 years since Germany signed terms of surrender at the headquarters of US General Dwight D. Eisenhower in Reims, France.

    That year, 1945, also signaled the official end of the Republican Great Depression. And May 7 of this year may well signal the beginning of the Second Republican Great Depression, the fourth major economic crash in our history. Troublingly, every one of the prior three financial crises also tripped off a major war.

    As Neal Howe points out in his book The Fourth Turning Is Here, it was roughly 80 years or four generations from the Credit Crisis of 1772 which provoked the American Revolutionary War until the Panic of 1857, which set the stage for the Civil War.

    Another 80 years passed between the end of the Civil War in 1865 and the end of the Republican Great Depression (which triggered WWII) and May 7, 1945. And here we are, exactly 80 years later, on the verge of another depression and possibly a third world war.

    Howe posits that 80 years is how long it takes for the generation that made the mistakes that produced the last depression to die off and thus not be available to warn about those same errors being repeated. And depressions almost always lead to wars.

    (While recessions typically last months to a year and involve modest declines in stocks and increases in unemployment, depressions typically last years and cause massive losses with unemployment as high as a third of all Americans.)

    But it’s not just the passage of eight decades that indicates the Second Republican Great Depression — and possibly America’s next Great War — is upon us. For that, we find the same conservative greed and corruption that provoked the Credit Crisis of 1772, the Panic of 1857, and the Republican Great Depression of the 1930s.

    All three were caused by wealthy speculators interacting with a corrupt administration (in 1772 it was the Brits), which is exactly what we’re seeing again today in the most corrupt administration in US history."

    He goes into more detail about how this happened.

    https://hartmannreport.com/p/is-the-second-republican-great-depression-b0c

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  12. You’ve got to love how Trump waited until Van Hollen was on the ground in El Salvador making a complete fool of himself—just to drop the motherlode of irrefutable evidence exposing just how much of a scumbag the MS-13 gangbanger really is.

    It’s called we do a little trolling.

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    1. The man deserves due process. It isn’t acceptable to let Trump simply decide what the evidence shows.

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    2. Trump declared moral bankruptcy years ago.

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    3. "Irrefutable evidence" does not exist against Garcia. There has been a bunch of propaganda and lies.

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  13. We don’t need the rule of law. We have the rule of Trump.

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  14. Jennifer Vasquez, the wife of Kilmar Abrego Garcia, testified that her husband beat her multiple times between 2019 and 2021.

    'I have multiple photos/videos of how violent he can be and all the bruises he has left me,' she told authorities.

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    1. please cite a source for this

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    2. Why do you suppose he would have stopped after 2021? This is 2025.

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    3. Why would the authorities not grant her a final protection order with all that evidence?

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    4. https://x.com/dhsgov/status/1912567112733753563?s=46&t=oYvKLjVc8YzJIvwKoQTYBQ

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    5. https://tennesseestar.com/justice/bidens-fbi-ordered-tn-highway-patrol-to-release-maryland-man-recently-deported-to-el-salvador-after-he-was-detained-in-2022-traffic-stop-on-suspicion-of-human-trafficking/tpappert/2025/04/16/

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    6. https://x.com/billmelugin_/status/1912654921196843357?s=46&t=oYvKLjVc8YzJIvwKoQTYBQ

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    7. anyone can be accused of something but it isn’t true unless they are convicted because that requires evidence. I see a pattern of persecution because he was a “usual suspect” and looks hispanic but nothing ever sticks because he isn’t guilty. It is wrong to smear someone like this.

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    8. detained in a traffic stop gimme a break

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    9. Anonymouse 9:07pm, so you have no interest in any info that’s out there- good, bad, or indifferent.

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    10. Anonymices, don’t open any links. You’ll feel better.

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    11. https://x.com/liccapets/status/1902186346246238307?s=46&t=oYvKLjVc8YzJIvwKoQTYBQ

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    12. If he is guilty of any offenses, that needs to be decided in a court of law, in the United states, and not decided by Fox News or Donald Trump. It’s a simple matter of following the constitution and the courts. The Trump administration is doubling down and risking being held in contempt of court. All of your links, Cecelia, are irrelevant to the fundamental principle.

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    13. "THP subsequently called the FBI, which was then led by former Director Christopher Wray under the Biden administration."

      Yeah. Why did Biden pick THAT guy to lead the FBI?

      Oh. Wait.

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    14. Anonymouse 10:29pm, I’ve already said that it’s not a court of law that can help the Trump Admin.

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    15. Do you really think public opinion can overrule multiple court rulings, all the way up to 9-0 rulings of the Supreme Court? So you're ok with dictatorship? As long as you're the dictator?

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  15. Won’t we have deep conscience help this illegal gangbanger to come back to our country? The poor man is not finished brutalizing his wife. Have you no decency?

    FoxNews has obtained the written domestic violence allegations from Kilmar Abrego Garcia’s wife in 2021, in which she alleges he is a repeat wife beater & writes “At this point, I am afraid to be close to him. I have multiple photos/videos of how violent he can be and all the bruises he bas left me.”

    In her own handwriting, she alleges that Abrego Garcia punched and scratched her on her eye, leaving her bleeding after throwing her laptop on the floor. She writes that on another day, he got angry again, started yelling, and ripped her shirt and shorts off, then grabbed her arm, leaving marks. 

    She also writes that in two times in 2020, he hit her. 

    "In November 2020, he hit me with his work boot".

    "In August 2020, hit me in the eye leaving a purple eye."

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    1. How does this justify what has been done to him? Note that he was never charged much less convicted of anything. No final protection order. No divorce. Do you wonder why?

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    2. “Fox news has obtained…” And he is not here to defend himself.

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    3. Garcia's behavior to his wife has no legal significance. But, there is a PR battle going on. Dems paint Garcia positively, calling him a father. Now, the Trump Administration is painting Garcia negatively by quoting his wife's compliant of wife-beating.

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    4. What the fuck is wrong with you, Dickhead in Cal? A "PR" battle? The fucking Supreme Court ruled 9-0 to bring him back and King Orange Chickenshit is not complying. Two other Federal courts are threatening criminal contempt of this fascist regime. And you're picking your nose looking at this constitutional crisis as a fucking PR battle. This is how democracies die. This will not end well. I am sure you will be happy to know that the fucking DOJ is now wasting their fucking time suing the state of Maine while Trump is breaking laws every fucking day.

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    5. 8:59,
      You're being too harsh on David.
      David is only saying that sucking up to the bigotry of Republican voters is the best (some say the only) strategy the Trump Administration has left.
      Think of the old saying, "when you have a hammer, all your problems look like nails".

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  16. These never-ending partisan debates are a kind of false reality, a distraction posing as engagement. They are ultimately a tool of control. They are a manifestation of the divide and conquer strategy. It is simply consumption, not participation. Commenters want to feel right, validated and smart. They want to feel a “win”, even if it’s illusory and preserves the system. It's a pseudo-activity that helps ensure our continued suppression. It's masturbation.

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    1. You mean there is a Republican voter who isn't a bigot?
      Cool. Do they have a name.

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    2. If they find one, they should put them in a museum.

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    3. So you like watching people masturbate. Nice.

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  17. Look how Cecelia is taking pont on the anti-Garcia troll campaign. You go girl!

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    1. I’ve never taken a pont. Not ever.

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    2. Nor make a good faith argument. Never.

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  18. The Trump administration stated that he was rendered to a Central American hellhole by mistake, and there was a judicial ruling that had previously mandated against his return to that country. Case closed. The trolls here can fuck off. We are watching the Swift Boating of this guy, a well perfected maneuver over at Fox and their right wing echo chamber, and it's not gonna work this time because it smells of the stench that Trump is surrounded by 24/7.

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  19. Will no one bring the illegal MS-13 murder gang drug dealer wifebeater back to our country?

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    1. We elected him President. What more do you want?

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    2. Republicans are too busy beating off over pictures of Hunter Biden's penis to do anything about it.

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    3. 12:37, unfortunately Garcia probably doesn't have millions in crypto currency with which to bribe President Donald J Chickenshit. So I guess he is in that gulag for life.

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  20. In 2022, Kilmar Abrego Garcia was detained in Tennessee on suspicion of human trafficking. The TN Highway Patrol was instructed to release him and the seven other people in the car by Biden’s FBI. Garcia was transporting them from Texas to Maryland.

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    1. There it is.
      Garcia was accused of being an immigrant, who is taking jobs Republicans believe they are entitled to.
      That's all this was ever about.

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  21. The Republican Party is now claiming that Garcia is harder to find than that Republican voter who isn't a bigot.

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  22. Slaughter a white kid like a pig, get a new crib and Escalade from Democrat donations.

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    1. Sell drugs for Bitcoin on the internet, killing at least 6 people in the process, and using your website to put contracts on 6 people (3 of whom were innocent bystanders) and get a pardon from Donald J Trump the day after his inauguration. Fucking evil.

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