LANGUAGE: How do you describe a problem...

MONDAY, APRIL 14, 2025

A problem like Elon Musk: "How do you solve a problem like Maria?"

The question is asked, in musical form, near the start of the 1965 film, The Sound of Music. According to the leading authority on the film and the original musical, the song is performed by the nuns at Nonnberg Abbey.

They're exasperated with Maria for being a "flibbertigibbet."  The nuns further allege that Maria is too "frolicsome for the decorous and austere life at the Abbey."

How do you solve a problem like that? A similar question might arise concerning Elon Musk—even concerning Donald J. Trump, the president who has designated Musk as the reigning despot of DOGE. 

Similar questions may arise! But in the case of the rather frolicsome Musk, the question might go like this:

How do you describe a problem like Elon Musk? What sort of language should American journalists decide to use?

For the record, many people say they see no problem with Musk at all. More specifically, they approve of the work he has done as the reigning satrap of supposed federal savings. 

That said, it seems to us that an obvious problem does at least seem to exist. Consider last Friday's news report from USA Today.

The report, which carries no paywall, concerns something Musk excitedly announced at last Thursday's cabinet meeting. Was some sort of "problem" lurking there? Headline included, the report begins as shown:

Elon Musk lowers DOGE's projected savings from $1 trillion to $150 billion

Elon Musk said he anticipates the Department of Government Efficiency's efforts to slash "waste and fraud" from the federal government will cut $150 billion in spending over the next fiscal year, appearing to dramatically lower much-loftier projections he previously touted.

Musk, the billionaire tech entrepreneur who oversees DOGE, provided the update during an April 10 Cabinet meeting convened by President Donald Trump.

"I'm excited to announce that we anticipate savings in FY 26 from reduction of waste and fraud by $150 billion," Musk, seated at a table with Cabinet secretaries, told Trump. "And I mean, some of it is just absurd—like people getting unemployment insurance who haven't been born yet."

The 2026 fiscal year runs from Oct. 1, 2025 to Sept. 30, 2026.

While campaigning for Trump during the 2024 presidential race, Musk talked about cutting $2 trillion from the government. He lowered the goal to $1 trillion after Trump assumed office. And as recently as a March 27 interview on Fox News, Musk said he was on pace to eliminate $1 trillion in federal spending by the end of May.

That's how the next-day report began. In our view, the factual assertions in that passage are basically fair and accurate.

Having said that, Say what? 

According to this report, Musk had seemed to say, during last year's White House race, that he could cut $2 trillion from the budget of the federal government. That claim had always seemed to be crazy, but Musk did seem to make that claim during last year's campaign. 

(Full fairness: It wasn't always entirely clear that he meant that he could produce such savings on a one-year basis—in just one fiscal year. Arguably, though, the gentleman's endless imprecision is part of the gentleman's problem.)

At any rate, the first number Musk disgorged was in fact $2 trillion! After President Trump re-entered the White House, Musk did in fact lower the goal to a mere $1 trillion in cuts.

In all honesty, that goal had also seemed to be nuts! But there's absolutely no doubt that the gentleman made it.

At that point, the richest person on earth had reduced his initial projection by half! But last Thursday, there be stood, addressing the cabinet, and he said he was "excited to announce" another downsized digit.

Last Thursday, the genius seemed to say that he was only going to produce cuts of $150 billion during this fiscal year! That constitutes a "7.5 percent solution"—savings which total a mere 7.5% of his original proffer

Having started at $2 trillion, he was now excited to say that his number had fallen that far!  And sure enough:

At this point, no one in the cabinet said, What the f**k are you talking about? It isn't done that way in (televised) cabinet meetings—or perhaps within our high-end mainstream / legacy press.

For the record, we know of no obvious reason to believe that the bros of DOGE will ever achieve even that new goal. Consider what happened when the New York Times followed up on USA Today's initial report.

To its credit, USA Today had been first out of the gate. After several days of further research, a more detailed report in this morning's New York Times starts as shown, dual headline included:

DOGE Is Far Short of Its Goal, and Still Overstating Its Progress
Elon Musk now says his group will produce only 15 percent of the savings it promised. But even that estimate is inflated with errors and guesswork.

Last week, Elon Musk indicated for the first time that his Department of Government Efficiency was falling short of its goal.

He previously said his powerful budget-cutting team could reduce the next fiscal year’s federal budget by $1 trillion, and do it by Sept. 30, the end of the current fiscal year. Instead, in a cabinet meeting on Thursday, Mr. Musk said that he anticipated the group would save about $150 billion, 85 percent less than its objective.

Even that figure may be too high, according to a New York Times analysis of DOGE’s claims.

That’s because, when Mr. Musk’s group tallies up its savings so far, it inflates its progress by including billion-dollar errors, by counting spending that will not happen in the next fiscal year—and by making guesses about spending that might not happen at all.

One of the group’s largest claims, in fact, involves canceling a contract that did not exist...

Say what? Musk's minions "canceled a contract that did not exist?" The high-flying fellows "inflate [their] progress by including billion-dollar errors?" "By making guesses about spending that might not happen at all?"

So say Fahrenthold and Singer-Vine, a pair of Times reporters. And as their lengthy report continues, the pair of reporters go on and on from there.

Musk routinely screeches about the "crazy" things he and his team say they've found within the functioning of the federal government. But when it comes to the poobah's work, here's part of what the New York Times says that it has found:

Mr. Musk’s group has provided an online ledger of its budget cuts, which it calls the “Wall of Receipts.” The site was last updated on Tuesday, to show an “estimated savings” of $150 billion.

The ledger is riddled with omissions and flaws.

While Mr. Musk said on Thursday that his group would save $150 billion in fiscal 2026 alone, the website does not say explicitly when its savings would be realized. The site also gives no identifying details about $92 billion of its claimed savings, which is more than 60 percent of the total. 

The rest of the savings are itemized, attributed to cancellations of specific federal grants, contracts or office leases. But these detailed listings have been plagued with data errors, which have inflated the group’s savings by billions.

Mr. Musk’s group has deleted some of its original errors, like entries that triple-counted the same savings, a claim that confused “billion” with “million,” and items that claimed credit for canceling contracts that ended when George W. Bush was president.

Still, some expensive mistakes remain.

The second-largest savings that the group lists on its site comes from a canceled I.R.S. contract that DOGE says saved $1.9 billion. But the contract it cites was actually canceled when Joseph R. Biden Jr. was president. The third-largest savings that the group claims comes from a canceled grant to a vaccine nonprofit. Mr. Musk’s group says that saved $1.75 billion. But the nonprofit said it had actually been paid in full, so the savings was $0.

And so on from there, at considerable length. If you can believe the Times report, the "expensive mistakes" go on and on, accompanied by an array of "errors and flaws," with a tip of the hat to the "guesswork."

Eventually, Fahrenthold and Singer-Vine mention Musk's original goal of $2 trillion in savings. To appearances, they extended a bit of deference to the imprecision concerning the time frame of Musk's original claim. 

That said, their report describes Musk's work as something from a slough of incompetence and DOGE adjacent despond—or from something even worse, from a place of simple dishonesty.

Briefly, let's be fair:

According to the Times report, the DOGE bros have deleted some of their triple-counting. So too with the original blunders in which they claimed "billions" of dollars in savings when they should have said "millions."

(In such instances, the error increased their claimed savings by a factor of a thousand. In fairness, the two words in question rhyme.)

That said, the Times reports that DOGE is still claiming that it canceled a contract which was actually canceled under President Biden. They're still claiming $1.75 billion in savings from a situation where there will be no savings at all—and yes, the mayhem continues from there in the Times' very lengthy report.

The Times report goes on and on. So have the misstatements and the excited presentations by the richest person on earth.

History teaches that a certain group of nuns were trying to solve a problem. In the current circumstance, Musk's performance has been so astoundingly awful that many major news orgs seem to be having trouble finding the language with which to describe the scope of the societal problem.

For now, let's forget about solving that problem. How should we even describe this problem? How do we use our words?

How do you describe a problem like the current version of Elon Musk? Along the way this week, we'll suggest some possible language, including the journalistic language of product placement.

(For whatever reason, the lengthy report in today's New York Times appears on page A14.)

We'll also discuss a similar problem regarding the way our major news orgs describe the work product of President Trump. Also, how do you describe a problem like the Fox News Channel?

(If, that is, you're willing to discuss the Fox News Channel at all.)

How do you describe a problem like the current version of Musk? Here on our own sprawling campus, various types of language come to mind.

The same is true with respect to President Trump, and with respect to the conduct which routinely prevails on the aforementioned "cable news" channel.

That said, our major American journalists and news orgs may sometimes tend to defer to power. They may sometimes tend to defer to the pleasures of "playing it safe." 

Full fairness! Due to long-standing journalistic traditions, certain forms of language may not even occur to our scriveners in the present circumstance. There's no history of such use of journalistic language. Creating new language may be scary and hard.

There's no history of using such language! In fairness, it isn't clear that we the people have ever encountered a problem quite like this.

USA Today got there first. Today, in astounding detail, up jumps the New York times—on page 14, no less!

Tomorrow: New language from David Brooks


132 comments:

  1. The federal government cannot afford its level of spending. It needs to cut a lot of valuable programs. To get a balanced budget, federal spending would have to be cut in half! That’s what the numbers show. Or everyone’s taxes would have to be doubled.

    Bob seems happy that Musk won’t achieve his spending cuts. But the smaller these spending cuts are, the bigger the cuts will be in spending that Bob approves of, like education and health care.

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    1. Complete neglect of the other side of the coin, the intake of money by the federal government, isn't enough for MAGAs like DiC. That is not enough. We need actively worsen the problem by renewing tax cuts that favor the 1% and fire IRS enforcement so that tax frauds can flourish.

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    2. Dickhead in Cal sez: the smaller the spending cuts are, the bigger the spending cuts will be.

      This is why we have elected representatives and a Congress which is constitutionally empowered to tax and spend, Dickhead. Not unelected billionaire drug addicts. Go fuck yourself.

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    3. The article is about the press and what kind of language they should use to describe Musk's inflated claims that full of errors and guesswork.

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    4. This is incorrect. The govt can afford its level of spending but it cannot do that and also give the wealthy more tax cuts (by extending the Trump cuts from his first term).

      If someone were to deliberately plan to deliver the most pain to the most people, they would do what Musk has done. Not only have people lost their jobs, but the very lives of people are being threatened by cuts to disaster relief, extreme weather forecasting, medical services and cancer research, foreign aid, and of course social security. No one would choose such cuts in congress, so Musk and Trump have gone outside the law to eviscerate govt functions that people rely upon. That isn't waste or fraud, unless you want to call what Musk has done fraud of a different kind.

      Musk's cuts are like a person who wants to lose weight so he cuts off his hands and feet.

      How do you reduce education funding any more than by eliminating the entire Dept of Education? Those disabled kids don't need special ed, do they David? We don't need a cure for cancer either, right? And who will stop the measles epidemic now spreading from its foothold in TX to adjacent states, resulting in deaths from a disease that should still be extinct? Musk is directly responsible for that one, by defunding the CDC and public health efforts.

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    5. I agree with @10:16. The tax cuts in the House bill are worth around $.5 trillion per year, making the deficit a lot worse.

      If @10:19 were drowning, would s/he reject a rescue because the rescuer was not an official lifeguard?

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    6. I understand, Dickhead in Cal, you're totally cool with tyranny as long as it is your side doing the tyrannizing. Unfortunately for you, we have a Constitution which was designed to prevent tyranny whether of the majority or the minority. You're in the fucking minority now, Dickhead.

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    7. David, lifeguards are "official" because they have the training to actually save someone, not contribute to their drowning faster.

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    8. I agree with @10:16. The tax cuts in the House bill are worth around $.5 trillion per year, making the deficit a lot worse.

      Can you explain how republicans will be able to do thru reconciliation and avoid the Senate filibuster? I am really really curious.

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    9. The fiscally responsible cut their food bills in half, if they can't afford to feed their children.

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    10. During the Great Depression, fathers killed their wives and children because they could not feed them at all. Parents routinely went hungry so that children could eat, but babies still starved because breast-feeding mothers had no milk for them. These are facts. Today we talk about food insecurity (where will the next meal come from), but what if there is no food?

      Why would a president put his people into such a situation, on purpose? Just to make the rich wealthier.

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    11. Running a government is nothing like running a household or business.

      Duh.

      Republicans speak the truth when they are in power, they say deficits do not matter, and then waste that truth by blowing up our debt with tax cuts for the rich.

      The size of government relative to gdp has been roughly the same since the 50s.

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    12. @11:03 - I'm not sure, but I think certain budget bills cannot be filibustered. Is anyone more clear on this matter?

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    13. Bills via budget reconciliation can not be filibustered, Civics 101 every American high school student learns.

      David is a troll in some foreign land, thus his ignorance of basic stuff.

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  2. How do you describe a problem like the current version of Elon Musk? There are two parts:
    1) He is a liar.
    2) There are people who believe him.
    You couldn't run a successful business, let alone several, by being this inaccurate, so it can be assumed that his shtick for the Trump administration is purposely in keeping with their propagandist agenda.

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  3. The NY Times reported
    “It was unclear if Mr. Musk meant to say that the $150 billion was merely what his team had found so far — meaning that $1 trillion in savings was still possible — or if that $150 billion was all it expected to find.
    A White House official said $1 trillion in savings remained “the goal.””

    I think reporters should have asked Musk what he meant before reporting their interpretation of an ambiguous statement.

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    1. Musk stated that 150 billion is his goal for the year.

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    2. I think the media, and everybody else, should ignore everything Musk and Trump say.
      For the good of the country/ world.

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    3. Forewarned is forearmed, they say. I think we should listen carefully to what these guys say, because they reveal their intentions and planning via their words.

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    4. Musk was unambiguous, he stated clearly that he hoped for a $150 billion cut in total by late 2026.

      This aligns with the Trump admin increase in spending of about $150 billion so far over the Biden admin.

      The Biden admin was more efficient.

      Musk wants to return to Biden's level of efficiency but Musk has little agency other than to cut things like foreign aid, medical research, SS administration, and food for poor kids - hardly "savings" to tout.

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  4. Maria wanted to help others. Musk is not a frolicsome flibbertigibbet but has destroyed lives with his random cuts and lies. This is the weirdest false equivalence Somerby has ever proposed. Musk is a Nazi whereas Maria fled Nazis in Austria.

    Somerby seems to be working overtime to be offensive these days. The problem with Musk is not that he is mismatched to his vocation (as Maria was) but that he is an evil son-of-a-bitch using his money to harm people, oblivious to the pain he causes (assuming he is not enjoying himself).

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    1. Noticed the same, Somerby seems to be having fun exploring his mean-spiritedness, but all we readers experience is second hand embarrassment since Somerby is unable to grasp that Dems/Blues have fundamentally different personality traits than Repubs - we are not snowflakes, so Somerby's goofy nastiness can find no purchase among us.

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    2. What's weird is that you think Somerby is equating Musk and Maria.

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    3. While you claim that TDH is "working overtime to be offensive" you fail miserably with your comment here - you yourself are hardly working overtime in taking righteous offense. First, your post is only 2 paragraphs long. This is woefully short, and fails miserably to express the magnitude of how everyone should be offended by TDH's post. Plus, what's with this being merely "offended" by his right wing claim that Maria and Musk are indistinguishable? Where's the outrage? Instead, this puny, weak "offense." Please shape up,;you provide an important function in exposing TDH's perfidious duplicity, in his efforts to convert impressionable liberals to MAGAism

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    4. How many times do we have to explain that Somerby doesn't agree with the Right-wing grievances he repeats on his blog every day?

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    5. 2:14 is on the nose.

      1:39/1:44 are triggered trolls.

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    6. I guess "Musk continually makes crazy misstatements about the results of his DOGE project!" must be a "Right-wing grievance" that Somerby is repeating today. And anybody who thinks that it is flat-out bonkers to think this is a right-wing grievance must be a "triggered troll."

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    7. Dogface George,
      Don't bother. These fools think David in Cal and Mao are Right-wingers, too.

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    8. "the Right-wing grievances he repeats on his blog every day?"

      He doesn't repeat it, he critiques it. Can you wrap your tiny brain around that distinction?

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    9. 5:14,
      It's my side's famous squalor.

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    10. There is no critique without rebuttal.

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  5. Up to $2 trillion total, $150 billion in one FY, it's perfect.

    Keep draining the swamp, Mr. President. And you're doing a great job eliminating waste, fraud and abuse.

    And watching idiot-Democrats squeal is a nice bonus.

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    1. Squeal refers to pigs, greedy pigs snuffling for truffles. The people hurt by Trump/Musk are wailing and groaning in pain. We are not the greedy pigs squealing because they don't like to share.

      These ignorant assholes don't understand that the mission of DOGE is to destroy the proper functioning of the govt so that Trump can shut it down in favor of privatization and oligarchy while he declares himself El Jefe while declaring war on his own people and appointing himself dictator on 4/20 (Hitler's birthday and the deadline Trump has given for activating the Insurrection Act against his own people).

      Why are all these right wing trolls here, at a supposedly liberal blog with very little actual traffic? Why is Somerby still touting Trump after the election is over? What purpose is he serving when he suggests that we do not have the language to fight against tyranny?

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    2. Trump squealing, You're the puppet!", when Clinton exposed him as a Russian asset was awesome, and anyone who doesn't think so is a clown.

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    3. "Why is Somerby still touting Trump after the election is over?"

      ???

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    4. Somerby is very bitter, or on somebody's payroll, or both.

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    5. “Somerby is . . . on somebody’s payroll.”

      A casual, drive-by, evidence-free smear. I have no respect at all for cowards who slander others under cover of anonymity.

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    6. Is Somerby not on Putin's payroll?
      As the resident blogger on TDH writes, "Anything is possible."

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    7. Somerby appears to be on the same payroll as NY Times, CNN, WaPo, and all the rest of the scummy deep-state media.

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    8. 6:55,
      Karl Marx tried to warn us about corporations over a century ago, but morons thought they knew better.

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  6. Many years ago I recall some pundit writing the Ted Williams should have swung at more pitches. The comment was mocked by observing that this pundit was telling this all-time great hitter how to hit.

    @10:04 reminded me of this anecdote when s/he told Musk how to run a business.

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    1. Who exactly is Ted Williams in this story? Musk has all swings and misses, no hits at all. No fraud, no waste, just pain.

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    2. They're both wild long shots, but I can see Musk providing the proof of $5 being wasted by the government, long before I could see anyone providing proof of the Republican voter who isn't a bigot.

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    3. Musk has a terrible record as far as running a business goes.

      Where Musk excels is in selling a con, in grifting. He and Trump are the best the world has ever seen, at selling snake oil.

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    4. DIC now I know what your problem is. You can’t read for comprehension. 10:04 said nothing about how Musk should run his business.

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  7. Beyond Musk's actions, there is the question of the legality of what he has been doing. There are pending lawsuits accusing Musk of having no authority for his actions. That is as if Maria had kidnapped the Baron's children in order to make them cute outfits out of curtains. The question isn't whether she sewed well but whether she had the right to grab children from their home in order to enact her own form of perverted pleasure on them. The nuns solved their Maria problem in a win-win decision that benefitted everyone. That is not what Musk has done. If Trump is planning to declare himself dictator on 4/20 (Hitler's birthday), then Musk is a traitor to our Constitution and the American people. If Trump is merely demented, then Musk has done incalculable damage to our system of govt and is an accomplice to a madman. There is no scenario where Musk has done good because Musk has acted illegally to destroy the efforts of many talented people. That is like burning down the Baron's mansion, with the kids inside.

    Somerby should be ashamed to have foisted this allusion onto his readers this morning. The worse the situation for our nation, the more bizarre it gets. Somerby doesn't seem entirely well himself, this morning.

    Somerby suggests that we have never encountered a problem like this before. That shows his deep ignorance of American history. And yes, there is language to discuss what is happening. I suggest he begin with Heather Cox Richardson and Thom Hartmann, and yes, Rachel Maddow's book Prequel: An American Fight Against Fascism. There is the language and the facts about previous attempts by bad people to take over our democratic govt. But that would involve actual reading and Somerby seems to have given that up for lent.

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    1. “The question [is] . . . whether [Maria] had the right to grab children from their home in order to enact her own form of perverted pleasure on them.”

      Now that’s a take you won’t see anywhere else!

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    2. Trump and Musk are un American, and so are their supporters. They are all traitors to our great nation. Our founding fathers are rolling over in their graves.

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    3. It's weird that the traitors won a fair and free election, isn't it?

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    4. I wouldn't call it free and fair with all the voter suppression going on. Take a look at the NC race for a spot on their SC. We're watching in real time as the democratic winner has it stolen from her, fair and square by the republican majority on the NC SC.

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    5. 1:57 -- OK. So the secretaries of state (whether Dem or Repub) of every state certified their elections as free and fair, but you, a rando anon, think they're wrong.

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    6. Is it wrong to accuse the winners of elections of cheating?
      Asking for 75 million members of a cult.

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    7. Trump's gambit with the fake 2020 stolen election nonsense was to set up the circumstance where many are inclined to obey in advance, and not question all the votes removed and voter suppression.

      That said, with you being a troll, you are ignoring that Trump only got 30% of the electorate, that he could not even get 50% of those that voted, and that more people vote for someone other than Trump. And all this in a very low turnout for Dems.

      Trump "winning" in this manner does not make it "weird". Most Americans, even in this honeymoon phase disapprove of Trump, he is polling worse than his first term.

      All you have on offer is bad faith nonsense, troll-style. Sorry, no one is buying it.

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    8. Trump got 30% of the electorate, 49+% of the voters, and a solid majority of the Electoral College votes certified by the secretaries of state of the fifty states. We can agree on these facts, right?

      I think that means Trump won the election, fair and square. You disagree, believing that vote suppression swung the election for Trump, and you call me names for disagreeing with you. That sums it all up, right?

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    9. Reminds me of the time Republican voters threw a childish temper tantrum at the United States Capitol, because they thought counting the votes of black people was cheating.

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    10. Dogface, we can agree that those figures show he won, but they don’t bear upon whether it was fair and square. Is it right for Musk to give Trump $280 million then be made co-president in exchange?

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    11. Look, 12:28 said 77 million Americans are “all” traitors. I thought that might be a tad bit of an exaggeration—don’t you?

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    12. Ask David in Cal to explain "exaggerating for effect" to you.

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    13. DiC is your moral compass now?

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    14. DG,
      You want me to dismiss Republican voters as arbiters of morality?
      Great, I'll start during the Reagan Presidency.

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    15. Somerby stopped asking us to listen to Republican voters, once we reported back to him how much they love bigotry.

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  8. Somerby helped put Trump into office. He doesn't get to pretend now that Trump just materialized out of nowhere.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rgHC9P7FjI

    "And if you're saying wait a minute
    who we got to stop this?
    We had one but you didn't want that
    lady in office!"

    This is on you Somerby. Don't blame the press for lacking the language -- you didn't want to praise Harris for anything except her smile (bright and happy like Maria's).

    Somerby was happy to let Trump off the hook when they found piles of classified documents in the bathrooms of Mar a Lago. This is what ignoring that bizarre treason has led to, and Somerby owns it.

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    1. "Somerby was happy to let Trump off the hook when they found piles of classified documents in the bathrooms of Mar a Lago."

      A truly idiotic statement.

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    2. Somerby has never wanted to see Trump prosecuted for any of his crimes. No, I will not look up quotes for you. You can go to the archives yourself and see what he said about this: "jail, jail, jail" Somerby said, deriding Democrats for wanting to prosecute Trump. It would have worked if Trump hadn't won reelection with the help of Putin and billionaire money (from Musk and others).

      Musk is referred to as the richest man in the world except perhaps for Putin (no one knows how rich he is, but it is suspected he is richer than Musk). But I'm being idiotic? Somerby claims he doesn't want to see anyone go to jail, except for that immigrant who killed Laken Riley -- he does apparently have his limits in terms of crimes he will not tolerate.

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    3. '"jail, jail, jail" Somerby said, deriding Democrats for wanting to prosecute Trump.'

      Somerby derided blue media for its excessive focus on Trump's legal problems to the exclusion of all else.

      "Musk is referred to as the richest man in the world except perhaps for Putin...But I'm being idiotic?"

      Your being an idiot has nothing to do with either Musk's or Putin's wealth.

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    4. What Somerby said was that screaming “Jail, jail, jail!” may not prove to be politically advantageous, a view that seems to have been vindicated by the fact of Trump’s electoral victory.

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    5. Did Somerby know that the corrupt SC6 would give total immunity to a criminal? I sure didn't see that coming. Or did Somerby predict the corrupt judge in Florida would throw out an open and shut case on the flimsiest of pretexts? I don't recall reading him say that.

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    6. Somerby's claim that "blue media" focused excessively on Trump's criminality to the exclusion of all else, is a laughably false claim - and unsurprisingly Somerby never bothered to credibly substantiate his claim.

      There is zero evidence that focusing on Trump's criminality had any negative effect on Dem voters.

      12:03/12:09 are not merely poor thinkers, they are here often spreading misinformation and bad faith arguments - they are trolls.

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    7. 12:33 -- Opportunity cost, 12:33. Screaming "Jail, jail, jail" crowded out substantive arguments like "The economy is actually doing quite well!"

      But, of course, you can prove what a good thinker you are by defaulting to your usual name-calling. That seems to be your intellectual forte.

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    8. Somerby thinks the corporate-owned media is liberal. Or he's pretending it is.
      Maybe one of his fanboys can tell us which.

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    9. I think Somerby thinks the mainstream media (which he continually reminds us is corporate-owned and pays big salaries to its prominent pundits) is liberal relative to what he considers to be the cesspool of Fox, Newsmax, etc. And you probably think that, too.

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    10. The leading corporate media is Fox News, and by a mile.

      Corporate media pushes a neoliberal agenda, including Fox News, with a difference being that Fox News is explicitly pro Republican, whereas other outlets try to provide some cover for their pro business agenda.

      Corporate media did not crowd out coverage of other issues by an over focus on Trump's criminality, there is no evidence for that nor for corporate media coverage having a negative impact on Dem voters.

      In fact, a majority of those that closely or even moderately follow news media, voted for Harris.

      "The economy doing well" is one of the things Harris ran on, it did not hit well with most Americans because their lives have not been transformed yet by Biden's policies, since most of his policies were geared toward long term improvements.

      You trolls default to your blind defense of Somerby (because he runs a right wing blog), without any coherent points, and completely ignore that Somerby provides no substantiation for his nonsensical claims, yet y'all have the gall to point fingers at others, Brother please.

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    11. You'd hire illegal immigrants, too, if your only other options were white people.

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    12. 2:20 -- I'm curious: Why is it you always default to ad hominems? The dispute here boils down to this: Somerby feels that "Jail, jail, jail!" did not serve liberals well because it crowded out substantive arguments. The fact that Trump won bolsters his argument. But you disagree that there was crowding out of substantive arguments.

      OK, so what? You disagree. But for some reason you conclude that the fact that you disagree somehow proves that Somerby is right-wing, and that anybody who agrees with Somerby on this point is a troll. That doesn't seem persuasive to me.

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    13. News flash, nobody cares about your nonsense, no one cares whether you are persuaded or not. Get over yourself.

      There are no "ad hominems", you repeatedly misuse that term.

      Somerby failed to substantiate his claim that attacking Trump for his criminality crowded out other attacks on Trump, or that it had any electoral impact. Indeed, the evidence points to just the opposite of his claims.

      Somerby never says he is not right wing (many "liberals" are right wing), and he routinely endorses right wing notions.

      You came to troll, you got beat up because your comments are weak, ineffective, and ignorant. You'll just have to find a way to cope with not winning here. Sorry.

      womp womp

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    14. You have persuaded me of one thing: It's utterly pointless to discuss anything with you. Since you hide behind anonymity, perhaps you could remind me of this fact if I ever mistakenly respond to you again.

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    15. Cope, Soros-bot.

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    16. Eat it, trumptard.

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    17. Dogface, post your real life name and address here, then we can discuss anonymity.

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  9. Oddly, Jeff Tiedrich cheers me up. He has the language to describe a problem, like this:

    "...to paraphrase Mark Twain, “suppose that you were an idiot, and suppose that you were one of Donny Convict’s ace team of economic advisors. but I repeat myself.”

    we keep being told that these are the finest financial minds in the world, but all that ever comes out of their mouths is incoherent twaddle — and none of these chickenfuckers can keep their stories straight for five consecutive minutes.

    tariffs are on. no wait, they’re off. they back on again. oops, they’re back on. ok, they’re off again — but this time it’s only temporary."

    Somehow this impresses David. That's what makes it so unlikely he is sincere in his admiration for Trump. There is so little to admire, that he must have some other motive. Ditto for all others still supporting our demented leader.

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    1. Don't overthink it.
      David is a huge racist, and Trump promised to keep black people in their place.

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    2. Somerby says we have no language and no historical context to deal with what is happening now, but that is wrong:

      "The Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act, enacted in 1930, is widely considered to have exacerbated the Great Depression. By raising tariffs on over 20,000 imported goods, it triggered retaliatory tariffs from other countries, leading to a sharp decline in global trade and U.S. exports. This further deepened the economic downturn, as exports fell from $7 billion in 1929 to $2.5 billion in 1932. "

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoot%E2%80%93Hawley_Tariff_Act

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    3. The social safety net that Trump is dismantling was put into place by FDR to help the American people cope with the devastation of the Great Depression. If Trump causes another Depression while doing away with the safety net, we will return to desperate times in the USA. And yes, we have been through that before and we do have language to talk about it.

      The question is whether Republicans will join with Democrats to stop Trump before history repeats itself. That takes political courage, not better language.

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    4. 11:33 is largely correct, Republicans will not join Dems because Republicans are driven by their racism, sexism, and xenophobia.

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  10. The normals don't solve Elon, we respect and delight in this great figure of our time in all his idiosyncrasies and brilliant success.

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    1. You spelled Colin Kaepernick wrong.

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    2. It seems like only yesterday that assholes were giving Kaepernick shit for not respecting the National Anthem of a corrupt and wasteful nation, which needed to be made great again.

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    3. Musk isn't the problem because Musk is leaving DOGE. That DOGE is continuing is the problem. The DOGE is continuing suggests it wasn't Musk's idea or creation, but that of the billionaires and right wing oligarchs, the plotters behind Project 2025. This is their doing. Musk was just the figurehead.

      Just like Trump isn't the problem with our presidency. It is Putin and the puppetmasters who have always controlled Trump. Now that Trump is failing cognitively, those manipulating him can be seen as shadowy figures while Trump spouts nonsense.

      Somerby's unwillingness to acknowledge what is happening is consistent with his inability to say anything directly, but using musical nuns to represent Musk is pretty low. It is almost as if Somerby and his handlers think we Americans are children. They will find out we are not.

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    4. DOGE track record:

      Decimals three places off

      3 vendors in one contract counted 3 times

      Cancelling contracts that had been cancelled long ago.

      Krugman: “Imagine how a private business would react if it hired a supposed efficiency expert who quickly fired crucial employees while making grandiose claims about the money he’s saving, and kept releasing progress reports that were full of ludicrous errors.”

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    5. Trump doesn't care about patriotism. Neither does Somerby.

      "Flag code violation: Man uses American flag as a drape covering for Trump art, then wads it up in front of Trump who doesn’t seem to mind.

      Later, the man places the wadded up American flag in a chair behind him."

      https://meidasnews.com/news/trump-watches-as-american-flag-is-wadded-up-and-set-aside

      This is the same president who blew off the ceremony receiving our military dead in order to play golf.

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    6. 11:44: My point at 10:04, which DiC weirdly misinterpreted. Musk has run successful businesses. He has run DOGE as if he is completely incompetent and out of his league. The latter is because he is dishonest and disreputable.

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    7. @12:50 - I apologize. I did misinterpret your comment. I disagree about the quality of Musk's efforts in government. But, your comment made perfect sense.

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    8. Dude, how many times have you , yourself, linked to internet content that discredits your narratives? I have lost count. You are beyond remedy. Maybe time for some self-reflection here. You are constantly needing to be being reminded of facts (your post below at 1:30 is a prime example). You should seriously consider hanging it up to avoid continuned embarrassment.

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  11. I am a sad retard, mad as a hatter. My stockpiles of loony word-salads are endless.

    What an ass Somerby is.

    I am Corby.

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  12. Somerby's buyer's remorse over Trump is...TASTY!

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  13. US POWERLESS BEFORE THE MIGHT OF EL SALVADOR

    AG Bondi, sitting near Trump, said it is up to El Salvador to decide if they want to return him (Abrego Garcia). “That’s not up to us,” she said. “If they wanted to return him, we would facilitate it, meaning provide a plane.”

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    1. She might as well have dropped her knickers and mooned the Supreme Court while she made this absurd statement. We are no longer living in a democracy. We have passed the "constitutional crisis" marker long ago.

      This is not going to end well.

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    2. If AG Bondi hinders implelentation of the Supreme Court decision she should be disbarred.

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  14. BUKELE POINTS OUT ABSURDITY OF RULE OF LAW

    “How can I return him (Abrego Garcia) to the United States? Am I going to smuggle him? Of course I’m not going to do it,” Bukele said while sitting beside President Donald Trump. “The question is preposterous.”

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    1. Who will bring the illegal terrorists back to save democracy?

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    2. Not the lawless dictator.

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    3. Interesting discussion of this matter from Stephen Miller. He claims that if Garcia returned he would be immediately deported again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-BhC0QHDfY&ab_channel=ForbesBreakingNews

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    4. On what basis would he be deported?
      Also, I heard an interview that said if he was returned, he'd be a U.S. Senator within two years.

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    5. Did Miller say whether he would be deported again based on the incompetence, or the fascism, of the Trump Administration?

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    6. Miller is a turd.

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  15. Biden's Chips Act is working, Trump will try to take credit.

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  16. Musk is doing an outstanding job of accomplishing his goal, namely cutting wasteful spending. . Biden, Obama, Bush, Clinton etc. had the same goal but accomplished much less.

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    1. It is time for you to get a family member to drive you in for the Montreal dementia test. Clinton did much less? Idiot. Trump has a long way to go to take a significant chunk out of his record breaking contribution to the deficit and tax cuts will not be doing it.

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    2. More "Defund the Police" calls, from the thug in California.

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    3. David in Cal,
      If you don't believe that, why should anyone else?

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    4. DiC is not here for honest discourse. Divert, deflect, distract are his goals.

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    5. Musk is trying to cut useful spending.

      Musk is un American, his agenda is to harm working Americans to benefit himself and his wealthy cronies.

      Supporting Musk is unpatriotic and un American.

      DiC is a traitor to America, assuming he is American, which is, frankly, unlikely.

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    6. David in CaliforniaApril 14, 2025 at 4:00 PM

      In the dream world where resources are unlimited and free, Musk is cutting useful programs. In the real world Biden cut a lot of useful programs by committing money to useless programs, The money Biden wasted is then not available for useful programs.

      This principle is obvious: if you waste more money gambling, you’ll have less money to feed your family. How can people overlook this principle. One reason is that there’s a big constituency against cutting waste. That’s because the wasteful spending is money going to them.

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    7. I liked David in Cal better when he wasn't on a one-man crusade to defund the police.

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    8. David, your idea of something useless or wasteful is something Democrats like, that helps people. You need to define your terms or this is just a disagreement about priorities, not waste.

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    9. @5:59 - There are too many examples of inappropriate spending to list here. A larger list of examples is at https://cbn.com/news/politics/white-house-releases-list-usaid-waste-and-abuse-everything-al-qaeda-trans-operas
      Here are a few examples that I think you will agree are wasteful:

      $1.5 million to advance DEI in Serbia's workplaces.
      $70,000 for a production of a DEI musical in Ireland.
      $47,000 for a transgender opera in Colombia.
      $32,000 for a transgender comic book in Peru.
      "A whopping $20 million to create a Sesame Street in Iraq
      $2 million for Moroccan pottery classes and promotion
      $2 million promoting tourism to Lebanon
      More than $9 million of USAID's 'humanitarian aid' intended to feed civilians in Syria ended up in the hands of violent terrorists, including an affiliate of Al Qaeda in Iraq."

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    10. Defense contractors should have been cut off on Day One, but fatass was too busy cheating at golf to do his job.

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    11. @6:40 - Yes, there's probably more dollars of waste in the military than any other department. People speculate that Musk may have started with USAID because their waste was so blatant.

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    12. For those who want to better understand inappropriate government spending, this article about NGOs is eye-opening.
      https://nypost.com/2025/04/14/opinion/how-democrats-used-ngos-to-end-run-voters-and-democracy/

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    13. Most people in the know believe Musk started with USAID, because that's where Putin wanted him to start.

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    14. 6:21,

      that list is from the White House. Can't be trusted. Don't you know anything?

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    15. David, that's an opinion piece in the NY Post. That's not helpful for anyone who wants to understand anything.

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    16. As for your list of USAID "waste", you might check out this:

      https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2025/02/07/claims-about-usaid-funding-are-spreading-online-many-are-not-based-on-facts/78340829007/

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    17. Let's take a look at the "eye-opening" NY Post report David recommends.

      For starters, the report is an opinion piece written by Glenn Reynolds, long-time conservative activist who was an original generation blogger called Instapundit.

      Reynolds begins by claiming the term "non-governmental organization" is an oxymoron like "jumbo shrimp." He asserts that NGOs are, in fact, mere fronts for government funding and action and he cites the alleged finding s of waste by DOGE as evidence.

      But he doesn't actually call out any of DOGE's findings. He jumps directly to an assertion that the "border crisis was funded in large part by Joe Biden's government." This claim is linked to another Post story, one titled, "Kristi Noem stops taxpayer money from funding illegal migrant flood."

      This article, penned by a senior fellow at the anti-migrant Center for Immigration Studies also fails to deliver on its promises. The article quotes DHS secretary Kristi Noem praising President Trump's order to halt "all grant funding that’s being abused by NGOs to facilitate illegal immigration into this country." Noem made her claim in an appearance on Fox News where she said "hundreds of millions of dollars" of US taxpayer money were being used to advance "the destruction of our country." She did not identify any specific government agency or NGO in her announcement.

      Returning to the Reynolds opinion piece, he further links to a second story to provide evidence of Biden administration of providing grants to NGOs that assist migrants, this one titled, "How faith-based charities are complicit with migrant traffickers."

      The linked story fails to mention Biden, the US government, taxpayer money, or grants.

      Reynolds immediately leaps to claim that the NGOs "helped the illegal migrants with expenses on their way, and then provided more than $22 billion worth of assistance for them."

      To his credit, the $22 billion figure does have some basis in reality. It reflects the amount HHS provided in grants to assist migrants between 2020 and 2024. However, the figure includes money spent on a wide variety of programs, the largest being assistance for unaccompanied minors entering the country as well as programs for Cubans, Haitians, Ukrainians, and special immigrant visa holders from Iraq and Afghanistan--people who risked their lives to assist the US military.

      The CIS senior fellow lays much of the responsibility for migrant funding at the feet of two agencies, writing: "The enterprise’s kingpins, I frequently reported, were the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) and the UN International Organization for Migration (IOM), both of which receive billions annually from the United States, the majority of their budgets."

      These organizations spend very little on migrants entering the US. The vast bulk of their activities concern those fleeing war, famine, and disasters in all parts of the world.

      So, is the article David recommended "eye-opening"?

      I'd say it is. Just maybe not in the way he thought.

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    18. Thanks for the link, Quaker. I have two complaints.
      They buried the lede. The important thing is that US gave money for a whole bunch of stupid and embarrassing purposes. It's much less important that some of the claims circulating on social media are inaccurate or dubious.

      Some of the "corrections" are insignificant quibbles. E.g., the grant for a transgender opera in Colombia came from the State Dept. rather than from USAID. Either way, it's a waste of taxpayer money.

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    19. But USAID is the outfit that Musk "put through the woodchipper" leaving the foreign aid field to China on its own.

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    20. Tell you what Musk and his Musketeers did a remarkable job at: cutting science funding. Work in progress under the auspices of difficult- to- acquire peer reviewed grant money that was capriciously revoked, was stopped in is tracks, leaving, amongst other things, hard working and aspiring young scientists without funding needed for their graduate work. The criminal war on academics and science in particular that is being waged by these clowns is abetted by poorly researched anecdotal claims lodged by Luddites like DiC. The big picture here is a war on academia and the institutions they perceive as bastions of the enemy. The generation coming up through secondary education now see them as the enemy of their aspirations, especially in STEM, and will have a long memory of their being targeted by Trump, Musk and their Republican enablers.

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    21. 10:59 Sorry, dude, you have once again failed miserably here and in so doing underscored the problem. If I say that I am no longer donating to the American Red Cross because some clown has posted all over the internet that they use this money to fund gay pride parades and the republican party, it matters whether they do. So this reference provided by QIB shows clearly that USAID money did not go to a variety of causes Musk, the clown here, would have you believe, in order justify to gutting them. Your fallback is that, some agency funded these activities, so it is justifiable to target USAID. That some activities which you deem frivolous and a waste of money occurred without the support of USAID does not justify the targeting of this agency. It's that simple.

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  17. "More than $9 million of USAID's 'humanitarian aid' intended to feed civilians in Syria ended up in the hands of violent terrorists, including an affiliate of Al Qaeda in Iraq."

    Between 2015 and 2018. Remind me. Who was running the show for the last two years of that stretch? And the indictment of the fraudster was announced in 2024. Whose watch was that? Finally, what was DOGE's role in uncovering this waste and bringing criminal charges?

    (Hint: It's starts with B and rhymes with ubkis.)

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  18. Foreign aid is not ended. Foreign aid has come from both USAID and the State Department. I do not know how much came from each of them.

    USAID has been moved so it’s now part of the State Department. USAID’s work is not completely ended. Part of what USAID used to do will be continued by the State Department.

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    1. Found a news report from NPR
      “ The Trump administration officially canceled 83% of USAID foreign aid contracts on Monday.

      "The 5200 contracts that are now cancelled spent tens of billions of dollars in ways that did not serve, (and in some cases even harmed), the core national interests of the United States," Secretary of State Marco Rubio wrote on X early Monday morning.

      The total number of contracts is about 6,200, representing programs that were appropriated by Congress in the last budget approval.

      Rubio said that the remaining 1,000 or so contracts would be administered by the State Department, which absorbed the U.S. Agency for international Development (USAID) last month”

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    2. David Duke in Cal knows that all politicians lie, so he just believes the ones who do it in service to bigotry and white supremacy.

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