The annual schoolwide spelling bee!

THURSDAY, JANUARY 19, 2017

A fascinating post about health care:
We're off on a mission of national import. We're headed south, by Amtrak no less, for the annual schoolwide bee.

Two years ago, when a certain unnamed relative was a mere third grader, we attended the bee for the first time. As we reported in real time, we were very much impressed by the greatness of the event.

Last year, we got blizzarded out. Tomorrow, as other ceremonies occur, we'll be in the public school auditorium, awaiting the word which was under review when we called the young scholar's home last evening:

"Promulgate: P-R-O-M-U-L-G-A-T-E. Promulgate."

(Journalistic definition: "Promulgate: A scandal involving trivial conduct committed by person or persons named Promul.")

We don't expect to post in the next few days. Under the circumstances, we'll have to postpone our final discussion of the scourge of Conwayism.

Upon our return to our sprawling campus, we'll discuss the role played by Anderson Cooper in the lengthy, ridiculous non-discussion we've been assessing this week. Our question:

Do people like Cooper really want to counter the noxious practices of this rhetorical style?

As we leave, we'll recommend two readings about people who voted for Trump:

In last Sunday's New York Times, Susan Chira offered brief interviews with several women who voted for Trump. Because we liberals are often so eager to cartoonize and generalize about Trump voters, it might be worth our time to consider the things these people said.

In a similar vein, we strongly recommend this fascinating post by Kevin Drum. We suggest you read it for what it says, and for what it doesn't.

Drum's post concerns another 50-something woman who has health insurance under Obamacare but can't afford to pay for actual health care. We strongly recommend Drum's post, and the first few ugly comments about the woman in question:

"Hard to feel sorry for someone who never asked for details. Ignored all his racism, misogyny, hate and out right lies and now is upset."

That was the very first comment appended to Drum's post.

Easy to be hard! All too often, that old bromide seems to capture the state of loathing which is so common in our liberal team's self-impressed soul.

For what it says and what it doesn't, we think Drum's post is very important. What makes our health care "system" so clownish, so awful? We'll discuss Drum's fascinating post upon our return.

We'll leave you with an important word:

"Tribalism: T-R-I-B-A-L-I-S-M. Ugly massive dumbness."

It savages our human functions. It blinds us to human concerns. It makes us very, very dumb. We tend to prove this in comments.

73 comments:

  1. "Because we liberals are often so eager to cartoonize and generalize about Trump voters"

    Please, Trump voters know exactly what they love about him. Even if it's something a liberal is surprised to hear, liberals have heard the VILE Trump words for over a year. They can't have it both ways.

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  2. You keep harping on those who can't afford Obamacare, but he did not say it was a panacea or universal affordable care. The GOP saw to it that health reform would be a limited affair, at best.

    Still, this woman could avail herself of the many FREE preventive services mandated by the ACA legislation.

    Better than the nothing she will soon have because of the man she voted for.

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    1. Of course I could be wrong but I believe that you miss the point. Rather than making a tribal response of "Serves you right," perhaps we could listen to "those people" and come up with better solutions.

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    2. "perhaps we could listen to "those people""

      That's all we've been doing for the last 2 months. It seems like every other day the NY Times or the WP or CNN or MSNBC is treating us to another in depth article analyzing the poor misunderstood (it has nothing to do with race, because it never has anything to do with race) rural voters who fucked themselves and us all in the bargain because they're too stupid for words. They like the ACA but they hate Obamacare for instance. They never expected that Trump would attack Planned Parenthood, even though that is precisely what he said he would do, in addition to supporting criminal penalties for women getting constitutionally protected right to an abortion.

      I know many Trump voters. I don't live in a cocoon. Believe me the ones I know have no interesting reasons other pure spite and hate. These people who listen to nothing but FOX NEWZ all day and 24/7 right wing hate radio are so deluded and brainwashed that the number one enemy in their minds are Democrats. They are now willing to rationalize treason with a foreign power if it helps get their goons elected.

      I have yet to hear one coherent intelligent reason given by these frauds for willfully electing to vote for a manifestly unqualified vulgar lying racist pervert over someone who has devoted the majority of her adult life to finding solutions to help the disadvantaged and particularly women and children. Fuck em.

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    3. Hey there @ 11:13. I'm listening.....

      "I remember the precise moment that I realized I regretted voting for Donald Trump.

      It was during his 60 Minutes interview after the election. ....

      ...I saw with my own eyes who Trump really was as a person. He backtracked on one of his signature campaign promises: pursuing an investigation into the Clinton email scandal."

      The subject of Drum's Post

      "I’m super excited about Trump. I believe he knows how to build things. My dad worked at a coal power plant for 39 years and they’re freaked out about energy changing too quickly.

      I’m also concerned about immigration. I went to Minnesota and I had a Somali cabdriver who lectured me for 35 minutes to the airport about how women in America have too much freedom."

      Trump Voter in MI

      "I helped campaign for Obama and I was a die-hard Bernie supporter. When he backed Hillary Clinton, I couldn’t get behind it."

      Trump Voter in CT

      "I felt he had what it would take to get the country back on track. Being P.C. was going to kill the country. He speaks his mind and because of that, he’s not going to lie to you. I don’t want immigrants, accepting them without doing the background checks....

      My great-grandparents came here, they had to learn English. This is a Christian country."

      Trump Voter in MI

      "I voted for Trump because I wanted change. I feel like our economy has totally tanked. People do not have disposable income. I feel the last eight years have been a joke. Obama was out for himself. I don’t think he really respected the office. I think it was more about him being a celebrity than a president."

      Trump Voter in TN

      "And it’s like Hillary has the right to talk about Trump when she stayed with a guy who was in the White House and took advantage of a young intern? Why would you stay with him?

      Benghazi. The emails. The I.R.S. She’s a liar. The Clintons got wealthy because of their position. I’d rather have someone there who doesn’t need the money."

      Trump Voter in MI

      "I had major issues with Hillary as far as ethics was concerned. It seems she feels that she is above the law and nothing ever seems to stick. ....

      But there are allegations about killing people who get in her way — Vince Foster, people like that. Someone who has a big bravado is not as concerning to me as someone who might kill people who get in her way."

      Trump Voter in GA

      Got some solutions for them?

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    4. A lifelong friend lost his job last spring - first time since he was 16. Had some bad breaks, 2008 housing collapse destroyed his finances. Wife makes little at part time jobs, and occasionally finds herself in jail for self medicating what I assume are mental health issues. Living paycheck to paycheck. So he goes on the ACA. Diabetes hit him before lost job, but with the huge deductible and no money, was afraid to visit the Dr. as could not afford the visit or meds. Couple days ago he ended up in intensive care, probably be there for a couple weeks. Probably damaged for life and going on SS disability. And of course he and his wife were Trump supporters, as everyone where they live in rural TX knows that Hillary is a lying bitch. Lot of people resent the ACA, need to get it or be penalized, but can't access healthcare with it as too damn expensive.

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    5. Diabetes screening is part of preventative care, which is free. If you cannot afford the meds, there are ways low income people can get them at reduced cost or free. If you see the doctor and he or she prescribes meds you cannot afford, you tell the doctor about it and he or she will suggest workarounds. If you participate in something like Kaiser, they refer you to a social worker for help.

      I get it that a middle class person falling on hard times may not know how to be poor, but this theme of not seeing the doctor because you cannot afford the meds just makes no sense at all.

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    6. Easy for you to say, but what if you are in a downward financial spiral, just lost your job, trying to get wife out of jail, you are in fear for the future of your home (and cars), and you have no idea how the system work arounds work. Also all your rural Texas neighbors know the ACA is a useless piece of shit that doe no one any good. I just learned about his descent when he was hospitalized. If he had called me I would have given him the deductible money in a second. But there is also stubborn pride. I do not need no hand outs, I can work through this. I get your point but do not see how it squares with his individual reality. Also too, they did not accept Obamacare at the closest hospital, and shipped him another 15 miles to one where he could get admitted. ACA rural access is an issue too.

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    7. Pride is a luxury. The humiliations endured by the poor are as bad as the deprivation. A person with experience of poverty wouldn't trade his life to save face. Many of the people described are making poor choices, just as the newly unemployed tend to do. Voting for Trump is one of them.

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    8. Mitch,my recommendation is he should vote for a Democrat next time rather than committing suicide. Just a thought.

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    9. ". . . perhaps we could listen to "those people" and come up with better solutions."

      OK, I'll bite 11:13. What would be a "better solution" for the lady in Trump's post? Health insurance that doesn't cost her a thing, yet covers everything?

      I'm on board. Unfortunately, you won't find a single Republican in Congress who is. So her solutions . . . vote for Trump?

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    10. Make that Kevin Drum's post rather than "Trump's post."

      And boy, do I get tired of reading these BS stories from people who claim they are spending hundreds of dollars a month on ACA health insurance premiums for policies that cover absolutely nothing.

      It would behoove people who spread such baloney to do a bit more checking and research before passing it along as if it were true.

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  3. "Love Trumps Hate" is an anti-Trump slogan. Yet, the anti-Trumpers seem to be motivated mostly by Hate. Lewis C's comments above are typical examples. They express hatred for Trump and anyone connected with Trump.

    I think this is Bob's point about the damage done by tribalism.

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    1. You make it very hard not to hate you, David.

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    2. The hate is strong against Trump. He will benefit from it because he is likable as a person, and the influence of the media caricature will fade as people notice it doesn't match the reality. The only purpose it will serve is to deepen and expand his portion of the electorate in states he won for 2020.

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    3. Better trolling please.

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    4. Here's another example of Hate: There’s a Petition to Bar Melania Trump From the Girls Scouts Because She Modeled Nude http://heatst.com/culture-wars/theres-a-petition-to-bar-melania-trump-from-the-girls-scouts-because-she-modeled-nude/?mod=sm_fb_post

      Bob calls it "tribalism", which is accurate. Conservatives, less kindly, call TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome)

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    5. Trump adviser and regular rally speaker Al Baldasaro was investigated by the Secret Service this summer after saying in an interview, “Hillary Clinton should be put in the firing line and shot for treason.”

      In August, the Secret Service reportedly spoke to the Trump campaign multiple times about the Republican nominee’s suggestion that “Second Amendment people” could prevent Clinton from stocking the federal bench with her appointments should she be elected.

      On Wednesday, a Trump supporter brought an effigy of Clinton with a noose around her neck to a campaign rally in North Carolina.

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      In an arena normally reserved for ice hockey, the Donald Trump crowd was on edge.

      Some wore shirts with slogans like “[Expletive] Your Feelings” or, in reference to the female Democratic nominee, “Trump that Bitch.” Others had buckets of popcorn, ready for the show. When the media entourage entered, thousands erupted in boos.
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      I've heard them Bob, believe me, I have heard them.


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      “If she’s in office, I hope we can start a coup. She should be in prison or shot. That’s how I feel about it,” Dan Bowman, a 50-year-old contractor, said of Hillary Clinton, the Democratic nominee. “We’re going to have a revolution and take them out of office if that’s what it takes. There’s going to be a lot of bloodshed. But that’s what it’s going to take. . . . I would do whatever I can for my country.”


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    6. DinC knows a hater when he sees one.

      http://sharmagaponoff.com/aboutsharma.html

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    7. https://www.change.org/u/2789572

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    8. mm -- what's your point? That some obscure Trump supporters also have said hateful things? I would agree with that.

      But, mainstream Dems are saying hateful things. E.g., CNN had a discussion about the possibility of Trump and Pence being killed just as the transfer of power was underway. https://sputniknews.com/us/201701191049784915-shoddy-cnn-reporting-trump-inauguration/

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    9. No, David, the orange pervert said hateful things. fuck you, his entire campaign was one long hatefest. and you cheerfully voted for him you goddamned hypocrite and now come onto a progressive blog to speak of love versus hate. how dare you!

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    10. One way that the intellectually challenged run away from their own character flaws is to project them on those they despise.

      And yes, it is quite ironic to listen to a hardcore Trump supporter lecture other about hatred.

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    11. 6:32 - It seems ironic because you believe your own party's propaganda. Trump pointed out some illegal Mexican immigrant criminals, but did so in a way that seemed to insult Mexicans in general. He pointed out the large number of terrorist attacks by Muslims, which is unfortunately true. But, he never said anything negative about other minority groups: blacks, gays Jews, Asians, Mormons, etc. Democrats jumped on his unfair criticism of Mexicans and his fair criticism of Islamic terrorists to pretend that he was blatantly bigoted against all minority groups and so were his supporters.

      P.S. I don't despise liberals. My whole family and many close friends are liberals. They're all fine people. You're probably a fine person, too, 6:32.

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    12. "Trump pointed out some illegal Mexican immigrant criminals..."

      If there was a god in heaven your hands would have ignited in flames when you wrote that. You're just a liar David, a fucking troll to boot.

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    13. Here's someone else who sees the Hate:

      I really don't give a damn whether you voted for Donald Trump or agree with his positions, that simply isn't the point. Each president should be afforded the respect that naturally comes with a consideration of the office's gravity. And for some of my friends, here's a warning: Don't contact me about the many Black people out there protesting! Why? Because the only Black people I saw protesting were offering "Free Hugs."

      We (as a nation) are better than the visual displays of hatred and vitriol that I witnessed today!

      https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=807167582754375&set=a.261003980704074.1073741824.100003834235567&type=3&theater

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    14. Thanks,you goddamned hypocrite.

      Dr. Dierdre Paul was a 2014 Republican candidate who sought election to the U.S. House to represent the 9th Congressional District of New Jersey.[1] She ran uncontested for the Republican nomination in the primary on June 3, 2014.[2] Paul was defeated by incumbent Bill Pascrell (D) in the general election on November 4, 2014.[3]

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    15. mm, Dierdre Paul, a black woman, is a Facebook friend of my cousin, who is a Democratic Assemblyman in NJ.

      Here's an observation from Iowahawk I wish I had thought of:
      "We're protesting fascism" - people dressed in all-black uniforms smashing windows and starting fires

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    16. Correction: my cousin is a city councilman.

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    17. The BLM people were engaged in nonviolent protest, such as chaining themselves to barriers. The people dressed in black with masks came specifically to engage in property destruction and violent protest. They are more likely anarchists, since that is who typically arrives at protests to do that stuff. One of the masked people punched the alt-right guy in the face while BLM people (without masks or concealment, with signs) asked him questions and shouted at him.

      A protest (or inauguration ceremony) attracts all kinds of people with different motives. You cannot lump them all together. It is also wrong to focus on one unidentifiable group (deliberately so) and blame a group you dislike for their actions, such as BLM. That is what Dierdre Paul does, and it sounds like you are doing it too, under cover of other people's quotes.

      No one cares who your cousins are. Most of us believe you are a paid troll from someplace nowhere near NJ or CA.

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    18. 6:15 I agree that BLM shouldn't be blamed for the violent group. I don't see where Dr. Paul even mentioned BLM. Since you brought up BLM, for a group to chain themselves so as to block the police isn't violent, but it isn't right. There police are there to protect everyone.

      IANAL but BLM may have been breaking the law by their blocking tactics. Here's a quote from a lawyer at QUORA
      Therefore, the right to assemble for a public purpose is permitted provided that the group assembled abides by any applicable laws against things such as traffic congestion, blocking the sidewalks, littering, excessive noise, and generally speaking, any other local laws or ordinances such as creating a public disturbance which might be forbidden by law.
      https://www.quora.com/Why-are-protesters-legally-allowed-to-block-busy-streets-and-highways

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    19. I followed the link you provided.

      Of course blocking tactics are illegal. Do you not understand the difference between civil disobedience and violence? You should not conflate them.

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    20. Dierdre Paul, a black woman, is a Facebook friend of my cousin, who is a Democratic Assemblyman in NJ

      What is that supposed to mean David? Are you denying that she is a republican?
      You say your cousin is a Democrat but
      Your cousin's facebook friend said something you like. congratulations jacksass, you voted for a hateful, lying scumbag piece of shit pervert fraud con man vulgar narcissistic maniac. But Dierdre said we should be nice to him so OK.

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  4. People tend to lack empathy when they believe a person has caused their own problems. In this case, the woman has not only contributed to her own health problems but has caused difficulties for the rest of us too by voting for Trump.

    1. Fibromyalgia is widely perceived (even by some doctors) as not a "real" health condition. Even if it has psychogenic causes and mental health has parity with physical health, many people regard it as malingering or an excuse to seek pain medication.

    2. She quit her job which had paid health care instead of toughing it out. Continuing to work would have kept her active, which helps these kinds of pain syndromes. It would have benefitted her family too. Instead, she reduced her family income and imposed an additional cost on it.

    3. Even so, her family makes too much money to qualify for much subsidy. There is no explanation of why she cannot be included on her husband's health insurance from his employer or why he cannot seek a job with paid health care.

    This woman has dependency issues so it is no surprise she complains about not being sufficiently supported by Obamacare and seeks a big daddy Trump who will solve all her problems.

    Somerby chides liberals for lacking empathy when it is conservatives who wish to dismantle programs and cut funding to help others. There may be a problem affecting higher income older workers who do not wish to pay for lower deductible plans. There is also a problem with the examples put forward of people in that situation. I doubt a person with MS or cancer would have voted for Trump, despite the large deductible. It is these people with mental health challenges doing it. It may be wrong to call them stupid, but it is also mistaken to consider them normal -- they have impaired decision making or psychological problems contributing to their choice of Trump as a solution to their difficulties in life.

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  5. That article must be fake. None of those women said they were influenced by Wikileaks.

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    1. They were asked why they voted for Trump, not why they disliked Clinton.

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    2. Another Howler reader who doesn't read the linked material.

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    3. @1:38 Since you read the NY Times article, you know that dislike of Clinton is based on the kind of stuff from WikiLeaks that Trump harped on hundreds of times at his rallies (broadcast on cable). It is fatuous to believe they would have cited WikiLeaks for their animosity when Trump was yelling about it himself. They believed Trump -- bottom line -- and that was stupid of them when his lies were being exposed daily.

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    4. Actually only three expressed dislike of Clinton. None of those three mentioned anything related to content in Wikileaks documents.

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    5. You mean none of them said it was Podesta's email from Clinton on May 23, WikiLeaks Document #1052, that really turned the tables?

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    6. One mentioned emails, but she might have been reacting to Comey's two unethical letters.

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    7. None of them mentioned anything: A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G related to the content in Wikileaks documents.

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    8. WikiLeaks contributed to overall dislike of Clinton because it furthered the view of her as someone who would lie to further her own interests, who was changing her views to suit her audience, manipulative and not genuine. WikiLeaks supposedly provided proof of that view of her. They didn't have to mention anything about WikiLeaks for WikiLeaks to have hurt her with voters.

      You are being too literal. Once again, that is either a gotcha troll game or excessive literalness reflects brain injury or mental illness, a frontal lobe problem of some sort. We don't know you, so you can decide what your problem is (or maybe you cannot, if your problem is brain-related).

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    9. You can't handle the truth. When confronted with it you launch a personal attack. Get help.

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    10. Troll somewhere else.

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  6. Very cute the way Somerby spells out tribalism, as if we were all 3rd graders.

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    1. Bob is woking on his Maddow impression for when he re-enters the comedy arena.

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    2. Maddow is the worst. Unoriginal and insecure. Who could watch that retched dickhead?

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    3. Or read the transcripts. What horrible situation in which to find oneself.

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  7. Meanwhile, the conspiracy theorists are predicting a major terrorist event at some inaugural activity blamed on protestors that will justify Trump imposing sanctions on liberals (or his perceived enemies), just as occurred in Russia when Putin took power (blamed on Chechnyians), and in Germany under Hitler. We already had O'Keefe trying to set up something like that, but he was outed.

    Maybe suppression of the women's march on Saturday justified by some false flag action, or maybe the anarchists will help him out.

    I just don't think Tribalism is our biggest worry right now.

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    1. You savaged our human functions. You blinds us to human concerns. You makes us very, very dumb. You prove this in this comment.

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  9. My ex and I were together for 5 years. We lived together and were engaged. We went on a trip with friends and his family and had a nasty fight and broke up. We both moved out of our home and with our parents. We decided to go no contact for a month and 2 weeks in he started dating a girl and took her on a trip to California ( where we’ve gone the last 2 years on my bday) on my birthday weekend! After battling it out thru emails and a few meetings we finally came to see each other all of last week, i love him so much and i was so desperate to have him back coz i new that girl was not the right person for him so i have to save my relationship and reunite with me ex again so i try all i could to bring him back but all to avail i have be in contact with so many spell caster who only too my money and still nothing good work out of it, i ws so confuse and devastated one day trying to search on facebook, i come across a wonderful testimony of a lady on how a spell caster who she contacted also for love spell help her and bring her husband back to her with-in less day 2 days after the spell i was so fill with joy coz this lady meant my day and i regain my hope back so i directly and desperately email http://happyspelltemple.webs.com/ coz i love my ex so much and i want him back all to my self so with-in 5 min,Dr happy email me back with hope and told me that i have found solution in him that i should worried no more so i did all he ask of me and he gave me assured and guarantee that my ex will come back so i believed and was so gifted all to my surprise after the spell my ex call, come to my working beg and apology for his mistake,and he said sorry for the nasty break up that he was inconsiderate of my feelings nt in tend to hurt me. i can testify with the power love spell of Dr happy me and my ex are happily married now thank you Dr happy i will for ever be grateful to you and keep sharing your testimony if you need help or love spell fine it difficult to get back with your ex, email happylovespell2@gmail.com or call his mobile number on +2348133873774

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  10. An entire class of human beings, a million a year, are killed by their mothers. A few are cases mitigated by tragedies that enable ethical people to view the act as merciful first. Finances and career interests are not reasons that mitigate a mother killing of her son or daughter.

    The vast majority of these human beings are healthy and so are their mothers. They are killed for financial reasons or because of disabilities like Downs Syndrome. Some of us make ourselves aware of them, some of us find it easy to ignore them because they are not seen and not yet known or loved in a personal way by anyone. They have not reached their potential for speaking and are located in a place where they cannot be heard, so they cannot speak for themselves.

    We will vote for those who give them a voice. No self-righteous posture you take about other issues outweighs this one. If you are not talking about this reality with the same emphasis you bring to racism, sexism, income disparities, or any other social ills, you can't be taken as seriously as someone who does.

    For the moment, the Republicans are the only ones who publicly recognize this most disenfranchised and voiceless class. The Democrats are busy trying to create a mindset that regards these killings as acceptable and criticism of them as a breach of etiquette.

    That is indistinguishable from the mindset behind the worst horrors the world has ever seen in which one group is valued and the killings of innocent members of another are sanctioned as moral.

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    1. If you were to take a biology course you would learn that your merciful god kills more human beings through spontaneous abortion than medicine does. You would also learn the difference between a fetus and embryo and a human being. If you were to take a philosophy course you would learn how to explore morality without sophistry.

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    2. I am agnostic and the question of god is not important in the abortion question. If you would take a logic course, you wouldn't understand it because you just equated a death from a disease or accident with a murder. If you believe an embryo and a fetus are not also human beings don't bother taking a biology course because you'll never catch up. You're too ignorant to discuss the issue, but you're not alone among those who are not troubled by the killing of these individuals. When your objective is to promote a relatively minor issue, best not to let yourself notice the elephant in the room.

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    3. From your tone, it is a near certainty you are male. The elephant in this room is the power trip by men, who cannot have a child themselves so they try to control women's bodies. Men, who in their struggle for control wind up killing more women than ever aborted a fetus. You have nothing to say here. Go away.

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    4. Half of those killed are females. Men are not prohibited from speaking on behalf of those who can't speak for themselves because their mothers are killing them without a reason any ethical person can accept as legitimate. More have died from legal and unnecessary abortion in the US than in all US wars combined. And those who died in US wars were men who were defending you. Noteworthy that you don't address the substance of the arguments, only imagined motives.

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    5. Most of those who died in US wars that is.

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  12. Hello Every One Out Here
    I'm DANIEL CRAIG. I'm From UNITED KINGDOM. I really want to tell the whole world what Dr. Iyaryi greatest spell caster done for me this is tears of joy. My wife left to USA last eight months and there after she refused to come home i called and i called and she persisted then instantly i knew something was wrong somewhere i searched for helped from the vertical to horizontal and yet to no avail. I cried and cried but she was not going to come back to me, i keep a search on internet to get suggestions from anywhere that i can then contact and i came across a testimony relating to my case with this email (driayaryi2012@hotmail.com) but to say the fact though i wanted to do anything to have my wife back i still have doubt that this couldn't work cause i don't believe in superstition but i just put a trial by emailing the (driayaryi2012@hotmail.com) The reply i got was striking that my wife had been spellbound by another man, i screamed help but he said not worry and instruct me what to do and i did exactly as i was instructed. to my greatest surprise two days later my wife called and she was crying to me and not knowing what to do i bust into tears too but it was a tears of joy. so i will use this medium to urge every single soul with problem of any kind to try and contact this email. (driayaryi2012@hotmail.com) Dr. Iyaryi is a solution provider.

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  13. Hey! I’m going through hell right now or from the past one month.One month ago,i broke up with my bf.We both were completely in love.But i started having some issues with myself.My mood swings were a lot to handle for him an that point i just felt the need to break up and so i did.And i hurt him to the core which i never wanted to.He kept on begging me but i didn’t hear.Later on he started avoiding me and kind of did everything as you said in your video.it felt bad.I always loved him but i had to break up.I regret breaking up so much.But after that he said no to me.He said he’ll never come back as he cannot put faith in me.I have tried my level best but he is adamant that he cannot trust me.Even though after i realised what i did.I changed myself completely.I dealt with my mood swings and now i don’t get any.He cannot trust me.what should i do?I love himand he does too but he says he don’t have that much courage to come back. one day in my office going through the internet i saw a post of a lady giving testimony on how she got her husband back,i also come across a blog site on how to reunite and get your ex back with a love spell it was really amazing to see this so i copy his email id on http://happyspelltemple.webs.com/ i explain my situation to him and gave him all the details he requested from me, he give me 3 days assurance that my boyfriend will come back after the spell i was so overwal to hear that so i just keep calm and follow up his order coz i really love my boyfriend and want him back. on the third day after the spell as he promise me, my ex call me also show up in my office begging me to forgive him and accept him back with out no delay, i lift him up with a kiss and was so very happy to have him back all my happiness was from Dr happy he is indeed a true man a father and a god sent. plz contact Dr happy on his email id direct at happylovespell2@gmail.com or call his mobile number on +2348133873774

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  14. Hello,
    My Name is Paul Roche. Am from UK, I love to share my testimony to all the people in the forum cos i never thought i will have my girlfriend back and she means so much to me..The girl i want to get marry to left me 4 weeks to our weeding for another man..,When i called her she never picked my calls,She deleted me on her Face book and she changed her Face book status from married to Single...when i went to her place of work she told her boss she never want to see me..i lost my job as a result of this cos i cant get myself any more,my life was upside down and everything did not go smooth with my life...I tried all i could do to have her back to all did not work out until a friend of my told me about a great spell caster, I told him my problem and all have passed through in getting her back and how i lost my job...he told me he going to help me...i don't believe that in the first place.but he swore he will help me out and he told me the reason why my girlfriend left me and also told me some hidden secrets.i was amazed when i heard that from him..he said he will cast a spell for me and i will see the results in the next couple of days. I called him when i got home and he said he's busy casting those spells and he has bought all the materials needed for the spells,he said am going to see positive results in the next 2 days My girlfriend called me and apologies for all she had done ..she said,she never knew what she's doing and her sudden behaviour was not intentional and she promised not to do that again.it was like am dreaming when i heard that from her and when we ended the call,i called the man and told him my wife called and he said i haven't seen anything yet... he said i will also get my job back in 2 days time..and they called me at my place of work that i should resume work and they going to compensate me for the time limit have spent at home without working..My life is back into shape,i have my girlfriend back and we are happily married now with kids and i have my job back too,This man is really powerful.. he has also helped many of my friends to solve many problems and they are all happy now..Am posting this to the forum for anybody that is interested in meeting the man for help.you can mail him on this e-mail;driayaryi2012@hotmail.com good luck his email; driayaryi2012@hotmail.com

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  15. It was hilarious hearing the commentators on cable saying that Obama would be on the golf course an hour after landing in Palm Springs. We have had solid rain and flooding all week, even in Palm Springs. No one can read a weather report in DC, apparently. They had to land his plane at March AFB in Moreno Valley because Palm Springs was closed due to weather.

    But once the media grabs hold of a narrative, facts be damned.

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  16. Hi, My name is Becky Nolan i'm from USA California i was hurt and heart broken when a very big problem occurred in my marriage Two months ago, between me and my husband . so terrible that he took the case to court for a divorce. he said that he never wanted to stay with me again,and that he didn't love me anymore. So he packed out of the house and made me and my children passed through severe pain. I tried all my possible means to get him back,after much begging, but all to no avail. that he has made his decision,and he never wanted to see me again. So on one evening,surfing the internet for an advice on how to my husband back i came across a comment about a love spell caster, i never believed in spell, but i had no other choice,i took the email address,: driayaryi2012@hotmail.com i sent a mail to the address, the spell caster assured me that i will get my husband back within 48 hours. What an amazing statement!! I never believed, so he spoke with me, and told me everything that i need to do. i obeyed he and make the payment for some items he told me to get for he to cast the love spell, So surprisingly, my husband who didn't call me for the past Two months, gave me a call told me that he is coming back home. So Amazing!! that was how he came back that same day, with lots of love and joy, and he apologized for his mistake,and for the pain he caused me and my children. from that day,our marriage is stronger than how it were before, by the help of a spell caster. Am so grateful to you Dr Iyaryi. i will advice you out there if you have any problem contact Dr Iyaryi, i give you 100% guarantee that he will help you.. Email him at: driayaryi2012@hotmail.com

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  17. Here is what Kevin Drum said on Friday (above the cat picture):

    "That's it for the day. I plan to spend the rest of the weekend in deep contemplation."

    It might have been nice if he had acknowledged the women's march, which includes men and is now happening worldwide, not just in DC. It is a massive protest and expression of opinion about Trump's presidency.

    I have to assume that it is not on Drum's radar because he is generally clueless about things originating with and affecting women. A huge gap in his perspective, in my opinion. In this case it leads him to overlook an important current event.

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    1. Another example of why Hillary lost. Some so-called liberal men just don't seem to get behind what women do, politically speaking.

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  18. My life is devastated! I’m going through hell right now or from the past one month.One month ago,i broke up with my bf.We both were completely in love.But i started having some issues with myself.My mood swings were a lot to handle for him an that point i just felt the need to break up and so i did.And i hurt him to the core which i never wanted to.He kept on begging me but i didn’t hear.Later on he started avoiding me and kind of did everything as you said in your video.it felt bad.I always loved him but i had to break up.I regret breaking up so much.But after that he said no to me.He said he’ll never come back as he cannot put faith in me.I have tried my level best but he is adamant that he cannot trust me.Even though after i realised what i did.I changed myself completely.I dealt with my mood swings and now i don’t get any.He cannot trust me.what should i do?I love himand he does too but he says he don’t have that much courage to come back. one day in my office going through the internet i saw a post of a lady giving testimony on how she got her husband back,i also come across a blog site on how to reunite and get your ex back with a love spell it was really amazing to see this so i copy his email id on http://happyspelltemple.webs.com/ i explain my situation to him and gave him all the details he requested from me, he give me 3 days assurance that my boyfriend will come back after the spell i was so overwal to hear that so i just keep calm and follow up his order coz i really love my boyfriend and want him back. on the third day after the spell as he promise me, my ex call me also show up in my office begging me to forgive him and accept him back with out no delay, i lift him up with a kiss and was so very happy to have him back all my happiness was from Dr happy he is indeed a true man a father and a god sent. plz contact Dr happy on his email id direct at happylovespell2@gmail.com or call his mobile number on +2348133873774

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  19. My life is devastated! I’m going through hell right now or from the past one month.One month ago,i broke up with my bf.We both were completely in love.But i started having some issues with myself.My mood swings were a lot to handle for him an that point i just felt the need to break up and so i did.And i hurt him to the core which i never wanted to.He kept on begging me but i didn’t hear.Later on he started avoiding me and kind of did everything as you said in your video.it felt bad.I always loved him but i had to break up.I regret breaking up so much.But after that he said no to me.He said he’ll never come back as he cannot put faith in me.I have tried my level best but he is adamant that he cannot trust me.Even though after i realised what i did.I changed myself completely.I dealt with my mood swings and now i don’t get any.He cannot trust me.what should i do?I love himand he does too but he says he don’t have that much courage to come back. one day in my office going through the internet i saw a post of a lady giving testimony on how she got her husband back,i also come across a blog site on how to reunite and get your ex back with a love spell it was really amazing to see this so i copy his email id on http://happyspelltemple.webs.com/ i explain my situation to him and gave him all the details he requested from me, he give me 3 days assurance that my boyfriend will come back after the spell i was so overwal to hear that so i just keep calm and follow up his order coz i really love my boyfriend and want him back. on the third day after the spell as he promise me, my ex call me also show up in my office begging me to forgive him and accept him back with out no delay, i lift him up with a kiss and was so very happy to have him back all my happiness was from Dr happy he is indeed a true man a father and a god sent. plz contact Dr happy on his email id direct at happylovespell2@gmail.com or call his mobile number on +2348133873774

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  20. So, is it funny or sad that Trump cannot spell honor?

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  21. My husband has been in jail since 2014 for possession of drugs they gave him 25 years and we had two daughters, I love my husband because he mean everything to me and also good caring man, surprisingly he just came out from the jail with the help of dr yangan who help me to cast spell and my husband was released out from jail after 7 days spell without judging any case and everything about the drugs case has be canceled. dr yangan has brought back my happiness his email to contact him. dryangansolutioncentre@gmail.com

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  22. Hello, i am Jessica Wayne from TX, USA. Life without my husband was a real mess for me and my children I am so happy to get my Ex back through the help of Dr Noble the spell caster . My greatest surprise was that 48 hours after the Doctor prepared the spell for me, my husband who has abandoned me for 4 years suddenly called me unexpectedly and am so happy that we have come to become one again through the help of Dr Noble and am so happy to be with my husband once again. Dr Noble is a very wonderful spell caster, you can contact him if you need his assistant because i know he can also help you. contact him through his email: templeofjoyandprosperity@gmail.com +2349039520524 immediately

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