Todd lets Priebus make bogus claim!

TUESDAY, JANUARY 17, 2017

You live in a world without facts:
Why does Rep. John Lewis think Donald Trump isn't legitimate?

It's hard to say! You see, Lewis made his much-discussed statement on Meet the Press, and there his statement just sat. Below, you see the text of Lewis' original statement, along with Chuck Todd's questions:
TODD (1/15/17): You have forged relationships with many presidents. Do you plan on trying to forge a relationship with Donald Trump?

LEWIS: You know, I believe in forgiveness. I believe in trying to work with people. It will be hard. It's going to be very difficult. I don't see this president-elect as a legitimate president.

TODD: You do not consider him a legitimate president? Why is that?

LEWIS: I think the Russians participated in helping this man get elected and they helped destroy the candidacy of Hillary Clinton. I don't plan to attend the inauguration. It will be the first one that I'll miss since I've been at Congress. You cannot be at home with something that you feel that it`s wrong.
In that exchange, Lewis said he doesn't consider Trump to be "a legitimate president" because of actions by the Russians. The Russians helped get Trump elected. This means he isn't legit.

There's always dissembling and disinformation within our election campaigns. To us, this doesn't quite explain why you'd say that Trump isn't legit.

(It does explain why you'd insist on a full investigation of what occurred.)

At that point, Todd asked an additional question. When he did, the plot thickened quite a bit, but Todd didn't seem to notice:
TODD (continuing directly): It's going to send—it's going to send a big message to a lot of people in this country that you don't believe he's a legitimate president.

LEWIS: I think there was a conspiracy on the part of the Russians and others to help him get elected. That's not right. That's not fair. That's not the open, democratic process.
At this point, Lewis seems to have made a much more serious claim. He says there was "a conspiracy" to get Trump elected—a conspiracy "on the part of the Russians and others."

Who else took part in this conspiracy? For some reason, Todd didn't ask. But then, throughout the interview, which he aired in two parts, Todd spoke to Lewis as if Lewis were six years old.

Was Trump himself, or the Trump campaign, involved in the conspiracy Lewis alleged? For whatever reason, Todd never asked.

We have a relentlessly childish discourse. That said, Todd's exchange with Lewis was grown-up stuff compared with what happened when he spoke with Reince Priebus.

In the passage shown below, Priebus makes an inaccurate claim two times. Todd just sits there and takes it:
PRIEBUS: James Clapper, the intelligence community—I don't know if John Lewis knows more than they do, but they have concluded that there's no evidence that anything that was done in the course of this election by Russians, or whoever, changed the course of this election.
Say what? Clapper and the intelligence community "have concluded that there's no evidence that anything that was done in the course of this election by Russians changed the course of this election?"

Obviously, that statement by Priebus was false. When the IC issued its public report about the hacking, they explicitly said that they hadn't attempted to assess whether the Russian conduct affected electoral outcomes.

("We did not make an assessment of the impact that Russian activities had on the outcome of the 2016 election." They said this plain as day, right there on page i.)

Obviously, Priebus' statement was false. Seconds later, he said it again. When he did, Todd jumped in to issue a non-challenge challenge:
PRIEBUS: There is nothing here in regard to this issue and Russia—

TODD: Wait a minute.

PRIEBUS: —and all of the defense intelligence agencies have concluded that.

TODD: I'm just curious. when you say there's nothing here, there's—

PRIEBUS: I mean evidence that changed the outcome of the election.
Priebus' grammar doesn't parse, but in context, his meaning was perfectly clear. Priebus had said it two more times. The intelligence agencies have concluded that Russia's interference didn't change the outcome of the election.

This statement was false every time Priebus said it, but Todd just let it go. Here's where he took things from there:
TODD (continuing directly): You're talking—you're not disputing that there is a lot of evidence of Russia's attempts to interfere in the election?

PRIEBUS: I'm not disputing that the Russian entities hacked the DNC, but I am—I'm not going to go back to our interview of a few weeks ago. I am also going to say that when you don't have any defenses on your computer system and you basically hand over 50,000 emails, obviously, that makes it a whole lot easier...

TODD: OK, but Mr. Priebus, does that excuse a foreign government from attempting to interfere in the United States election?
Sad! Priebus agreed that Russians did hack the DNC. He agreed that this behavior was wrong.

But he had also repeatedly said that the IC has concluded that this didn't change the outcome of the election. That repeated statement was false, but Todd just let it go.

In fairness, Todd is hardly alone. Last night, Don Lemon and two of CNN's liberal hacks let the same statement by a Trump hack go unchallenged. Last week, Jon Meacham let the statement go unchallenged when it was made by Joe Scarborough on Morning Joe.

It's an RNC/Trump talking point. The stars are letting it go.

What does John Lewis actually think? Todd didn't bother to ask. Subsequently, he let a glaring repeated misstatement by Priebus go unchallenged.

The world of our public discourse is an extremely childish world. On the bright side, many stars are receiving millions of bucks for their roles in this silly charade.

38 comments:

  1. Lewis falsely claimed this is the first Presidential inauguration he's skipping. In fact, he skipped Bush's, giving the same reason, claiming that Bush wasn't a legitimate President.

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    1. Todd and Bob lets Lewis make bogus claim?

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    2. Lewis was right, Bush wasn't.

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    3. Republicans to skip Obama inaugural, head out of town


      January 19, 2013 | by KEN THOMAS


      For many Republicans, this is a good weekend to get away from it all.




      With hundreds of thousands of Democrats traveling to nation’s capital for President Barack Obama’s swearing-in ceremonies, Republicans and supporters of last fall’s GOP presidential candidate, Mitt Romney, are leaving town for sunny vacation destinations and company conferences or staying indoors and avoiding the crowds.




      After failing to recapture the White House for a second straight presidential election, many are not exactly in a partying mood.




      “It’s a good time to lay low,” said John Feehery, the president of Quinn Gillespie Communications and a former top congressional aide.

      ...




      As Democrats prepare to mark Obama’s second inauguration on Monday by bundling up along the parade route or donning party gowns or tuxedos, Republicans are spending the long Martin Luther King Jr. holiday weekend with quick vacation getaways, quiet time at home or trips to the movie theater.

      ...




      “Invitations must have gotten lost in the mail!” former Romney adviser Ed Gillespie wrote in an email saying he had no major plans for the weekend...

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    4. So you are saying David in Cal is right?

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    5. We know Bush didn't beat Gore. Lewis was incorrect about attending in 2001 but that doesn't make Trump legitimate.

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    6. That said, you are saying David in Cal is right.

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    7. I'm saying he is irrelevant.

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    8. You are the "liberal world" Bob aspeaks so fondly about.

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    9. Lewis' error doesn't make Trump legitimate but Trump's legal election does.

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  2. "Obviously, that statement by Priebus was false. When the IC issued its public report about the hacking, they explicitly said that they hadn't attempted to assess whether the Russian conduct affected electoral outcomes. "

    Which is exactly what Priebus said. "they have concluded that there's no evidence that anything that was done in the course of this election by Russians, or whoever, changed the course of this election."

    If they acknowledge there is no evidence the outcome was changed, then they "concluded" there is no evidence the outcome was changed. It doesn't matter whether their acknowledgement also notes there was no effort to determine the answer to this question. Intelligent people know there would be no way of determining it, and also know that Wikileaks is not mentioned by any voters as their reason for voting for Trump. If they had, the blame would still not rest with "The Russians" but those whose emails were hacked whose comments offended those voters.

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    1. you make no sense

      if they did not attempt to assess, then you cannot then say "they have concluded that there's no evidence that anything that was done in the course of this election by Russians, or whoever, changed the course of this election."

      They concluded no such thing. Take a course in English and logic while you're at it.

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    2. "There's no evidence" means we have no evidence. They never will because there are no voting machines hacked, only Americans deciding who to vote for. If any voter decided on the basis of the leaked emails, that isn't Russians or Wikileaks changing the course it's DNC changing the course. Voters knew the emails were illegally hacked and if Russians did it it would have no effect on anything including Trump's legitimacy regardless of their motive. We already know they hack. If Trump benefited, he benefited from the words of the DNC in the same way Obama benefitted from an illegally recorded and leaked 47% tape.

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    3. This assumes the leaked documents were not modified or fabricated. Since they have never been compared with the DNC or Podesta's files, we do not know whether they were real or not.

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    4. They said there was no attempt to assess the impact. Whether or not the votes were hacked is not the point. The objective of the slow continuous leaks of the DNC hacked emails was to enrage the Sanders supporters to the point of not voting or voting 3rd party.

      To take one example, in MI Trump won by around 9500 votes. The combined total of Stein and Mr. Allepo was nearly a quarter of million.

      In the last month of the campaign the orange pussygrapper traitor brought up the hacked emails hundreds of times on the stump. He did that for a reason.

      It is absurd to say they did not change the outcome of the election. There's no way anyone can make that assertion and the CIA or FBI certainly never made that false statement.

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    5. @11:10 if there was so much as a comma in the Wikileaks that didn't match the Podesta or DNC files we would already know about it.

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    6. There is no way to prove whether they changed the outcome but even if a sophisticated brain scan existed that could prove they did, it would be useless information. Illegal hacks and leaks and tapes can potentially change votes but if voters rely on their contents it is the voters that change the outcome. It's useful to know where hacks and leaks come from and we knew during the campaign that the Wikileaks possibly came from Russia but you're never going to delegitimize an elected president based on what legitimate voters decided to do with illegally obtained information. Obama ran on illegally obtained information in 2012. Are you going to argue an election's legitimacy depends on whether the outcome resulted from the product of American or foreign criminals and leakers?

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    7. Dave the Guitar PlayerJanuary 18, 2017 at 12:28 PM

      Anon 12:10 - It is troubling that you consider hacking into your opponents system and releasing selected unverified emails a legitimate campaign tactic, but even more troubling is your apparent unconcern that foreign powers are using this tactic to affect the outcome of our elections. I would guess that your level of concern is highly dependent on the outcome of the election and not on the corrosion of the democratic process.

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    8. If you don't mind, I'll decide for myself who is legitimate and who is not. Sorry, the orange pussygrabber pervert liar fraud conman traitor is not legitimate.

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    9. You don't decide who is legitimate, American law decides. Your emotions don't matter in the question.

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    10. 12:28 It's up to the voter how much credibility he will give to leaked content, claims, or anything else that happens in campaigns. It's up to the voter whether he will strike from his mental record material hacked and leaked by foreign sources or biased media or any kind of source, or include it in his consideration. I'm concerned about the potential for foreign hacking of voting machines but not tactics that include lying to our public. Our media does the same. Voters proved they have the ability to disregard both sources of propaganda.

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    11. He can be legally the elected president, that doesn't make him legitimate in my book. Sorry, he is a Bastard President, selling us out to Putin. slurp it up sucker

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    12. What should be most troubling given recent history is a lack of skepticism about claims by the CIA and FBI.

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    13. Anon @ 1:30, luckily for us, you are not in charge of the IC looking into this.

      But Putin says thank you for being a useful idiot.

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  3. Intelligence agencies gather information, and they analyze information.
    Not analyzing information at hand is NOT the same as concluding there was no information of a particular nature gathered.

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    1. We could speculate that even if we can't prove it the hacking influenced the outcome. We could speculate that even if we can't prove it 3 million illegals voted for Hillary or foreign illegals influenced 3 million legitimate voters.

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    2. Actually no dipshit, you can prove if 3 million illegals voted. Your affirmative action education for RWNJs had let you down. You cannot tell fact from fiction.

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    3. You could if you looked. But they won't look. When they looked at Detroit, they found 5,000 more votes than registered voters. So, lesson learned.

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    4. Anon 1:29, just keep pumping out that right wing propaganda bullshit. I'm sure it makes you feel so good.

      Are you suggesting or claiming the GOP doesn't want to look. You do know MI has a republican governor, right dipshit? And a republican Secretary of State. Are you implying the she is not doing her job in order to protect illegals?


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