THE PROBLEM INCLUDES US: Professor Lilla and one other person!

WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 4, 2017

Part 2—Should he care about her:
Did Professor Lilla actually mean what he seemed to say?

Back in mid-December, he spoke with Sean Illing for Vox. As we noted yesterday, we thought the remarks shown below were strange, but familiar and perhaps instructive.

Within the context of the full discussion, "these people" were, quite plainly, the white working class. For full transcript, click here:
LILLA (12/16/16): The bottom line is that we can't win [elections] without these people...

So if we care about the people we say we care about—African Americans, women, LGBT people, Latinos—if we want to protect them, symbolic victories won't do.
We have to be competitive and we have to win at every level of government, and that means sucking it up and getting the votes of everyone.

[...]

Political work is only about acquiring and using power to protect the people you want to protect.

An election is not a seminar. It is not a therapy session. It is not a chance to rewrite history. An election is only about winning, and you do what you have to do. And yes, that doesn't mean you have to pander to people, but it may mean you have to be silent about certain things and get your apron dirty.

If you want to reform the American soul, become a minister. But if you're serious about politics, you have to go where the people are and find a way to reach them, and not be afraid to get dirty.
Did Lilla actually mean what he seems to have said? He seems to have said that we liberals "care about," and "want to protect," a finite number of groups.

He seems to have said that we have to seek the votes of the white working class so that we can protect other groups. He seems to have said that we don't care about, or want to protect, people in the white working class. He seems to have said that we may dirty ourselves as we seek their votes.

Can that be what the professor meant? We only ask because, rather clearly, that seems to be what he said.

Briefly, let's be fair. In the vast sweep of things, very few people will note or remember the various things Lilla said in this particular exchange. That said, comments like these sound to us like an invitation to the white working class—an invitation to vote for conservatives right down the line, and never to listen to Us.

That may not be what the professor meant. That said, we liberals make remarks of this general type all the time. Once again, let's recall the unfortunate thing Candidate Clinton said:
CLINTON (9/9/16): You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call "the basket of deplorables."

[APPLAUSE AND LAUGHTER]

Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic—you name it. And unfortunately, there are people like that. And he has lifted them up....Now some of those folks—they are irredeemable, but thankfully they are not America.
For transcript and tape, click here.

Bombs away! In fairness, Clinton said that only half of Trump's supporters belong in the "basket of deplorables" and therefore seem to be "irredeemable." In comment threads, we everyday liberals routinely say or suggest that all of Donald J. Trump's supporters should be regarded this way.

In fairness, Candidate Clinton only consigned half Those People to a place in Hell. Still, we'd also describe her remarks as an invitation to vote for the other side and never to listen to Us.

We libs can be highly censorious! On December 29, the New York Times rang out the old year with a letter from Woodbury, Minnesota—and from an all-too-familiar Salem Village of the liberal/progressive mind.

The letter writer went out of her way to say that Trump voters "may not believe they themselves are bigoted." "Every Trump voter claims to have voted for the right reasons," she also mordantly said.

Still, this writer was willing to consider no framework, experience or point of view other than her own. As with the parsons and goodies of old, she made Trump voters complicit in, and responsible for, every imaginable evil event from this moment forward—and as with the parsons and goodies of old, she was willing to imagine quite a few such events.

The Others would be fully responsible. No possible error was hers.

"Easy to be hard," the poet once thoughtfully said. We liberals frequently choose such roads, inviting The Others out.

Did Professor Lilla mean to do some such thing in his remarks to Vox? Did he really mean that we "care about" and "want to protect" African Americans, women, LGBT people and Latinos, but that we don't care about members of the white working class, in the pursuit of whom we're likely to get ourselves dirty?

On their face, we thought his remarks were unfortunate. That made us think of a person we've heard about—a woman Professor Lilla should probably want to protect.

This woman lives in Kentucky; on the downside, she seems to be from the white working class. Still, she can't afford to go to the doctor. She doesn't avail herself of free diagnostic services because she knows she couldn't afford to pay for treatment if a medical problem was found.

Sarah Kliff described that woman's plight in a different report for Vox. In his remarks to Illing, it almost sounded like the professor might be cuffing this person to the curb.

The woman in question voted for Trump; she's from the white working class. Should liberals "care about" and "want to protect" her, even in spite of that?

Tomorrow, we'll show you why we think the answer is plainly yes. We'll also discuss the ridiculous way our multimillionaire corporate liberals—and even our highest ranking professors!—keep us liberals barefoot and clueless about the powerful interests at play in matters like this.

In part because of our corporate liberals, we liberals can be amazingly dense. Once again, we suggest a theme:

Our political culture lies in ruins. The problems, in part, lie with Us.

Tomorrow: Revisiting Michael Moore's film

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  1. For shame!!! Somerby quotes only the first half of Clinton's statement about deplorables and not the second half. Here he behaves like Trump himself, like the press and everyone who wanted to crucify Clinton for calling those racists and xenophobes exactly what they are -- deplorable. She goes on to talk about the other Trump supporters, the real people with concerns that need to be addressed, in much the way Somerby would like those people to be addressed. THAT part of her statement has been disappeared here just as it was during the campaign. Lets pretend Clinton was only about hating the other and lets ignore her impulse to reach out to the very people Somerby urges us to reach out to now.

    For shame!!!

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    1. Your indignation is misplaced. You iterated Bob's point yourself: "THAT part of her statement has been disappeared here just as it was during the campaign." That is the part of her remarks that got repeated. You can justify her remarks also by saying that when people say "half" it is just a casual, and not exact number. That still misses the point.

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    2. I agree with Hillary that racists, al-Right white supremacists, xenophobes, hoodlums who want to beat up on others at rallies, sexist pussy grabbers, are all deplorable. If we do not exclude them, we condone and normalize their actions. That should not happen in either party. THAT point has been lost in all this focus on "Hillary called Trump's supporters deplorable." The problem here is that Trump didn't call them deplorable when he should have.

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    3. Because @10:51 AM couldn't be bothered, just as he can't be bothered to come up with an identifier when he comments, here's a link to Clinton's statement in fuller context. [LINK]

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    4. If there's no need for a link because everyone here knows what Clinton said, why you'd get upset at for Somerby leaving it out?

      As to the other matter, though it belongs to somebody else who never actually existed let me suggest to you as your identifier "24601." (It may help you conceal your neo-liberalism from the reader for a sentence or two as you carry the Clinton banner forward.)

      HillaryBro was a play on BernieBro and implied nothing about the gender of whoever the Clinton acolyte in that thread was- but were I to get the gender of an "Anonymous" wrong, so what? In fact, it should have been of great relief to any commenter who fears stalking from someone among the Howler commentariet that their gender was misidentified. But you're just trolling and don't even know it.

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    5. Somerby knew about it too. That's why I'm upset that he would mischaracterize her that way.

      Only a male person can say that the word "Bro" conveys nothing about gender. You show your privilege (to borrow a phrase) when you say "so what?" As an experiment, try going to a website of your choice and posting using a female name. Just post your usual disagreement and see how people respond to your remarks. It might be a learning experience for you.

      You might be a little more cautious when equating any Hillary supporter with neo-liberalism. Lots of conservatives voted for her to stop Trump. Many Sanders sympathizers were put off by him for various reasons. Many women admire Hillary on a personal level irrespective of her politics and many remember her many contributions to their causes over the years. Her supporters are a more mixed group than you are recognizing.

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    6. 24601 -- Typical of a Sanders supporter to romanticize poverty.

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    7. The life of the 24601 character is a romanticized example of the power of Christian grace, not poverty. The book in which he is the central character is entitled The Wretched. It does not romanticize poverty in any sense to which you are referring. (But nice try at faking it @2:51 PM.)

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    9. C mike, what policies were Bernie going to get passed as President?

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    10. Before the midterms? I'm not sure what he would have managed. I know what he would have put on the table from the bully pulpit day after day after day to pressure Congress and build a movement: Medicare for All, a $15 an hour minimum wage, tuition free undergraduate education at state schools, the need for aggressive corporate trust busting beginning with the major commercial banks, the urgency of preparing for the consequences of climate change (including trying to slow it).

      Here's what you don't want in an administration [LINK], a variation of which we would have seen with a four year triangulating Hillary administration before things got worse for Democrats in 2018 and 2020.

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      [QUOTE] Clinton's campaign message [wasn't] just for Bernie voters; it's for everyone. Expect little, deserve less, ask for nothing. When the leading candidate of the more left of the two parties is saying that -- and getting the majority of its voters to embrace that message -- the work of the American ruling class is done. [END QUOTE]

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  2. "Did Professor Lilla mean to do some such thing in his remarks to Vox? Did he really mean that we "care about" and "want to protect" African Americans, women, LGBT people and Latinos, but that we don't care about members of the white working class, in the pursuit of whom we're likely to get ourselves dirty?"

    Why do liberals care about these specific groups? Because they are being left out in our American democracy. These are the groups experiencing discrimination and unfairness, the groups without a level playing field, the groups suffering in our land of plenty (yes, women too, when you consider domestic violence, wage discrimination, lack of political representation, stereotyping and sexual assault).

    Do white working men need "protection"? That depends on whether you think they are experiencing injustice in our society. Yes, they are having problems finding jobs and earning a good wage, but are they being discriminated against as a class? Are white working men being prevented from becoming educated, are they paid less, are they underrepresented in Congress, is their vote suppressed?

    I agree that capitalism results in a system where workers are exploited and where many deserving people cannot meet their needs through gainful employment. I believe the Democrats have tried to approach this as a party. I do not believe any of these efforts should be targeted specifically at white workers, nor do I see why being a poor white worker should be a protected class.

    I have no idea what Lilla means when he talks about getting dirty. When he says: "And yes, that doesn't mean you have to pander to people, but it may mean you have to be silent about certain things and get your apron dirty." it sounds like he is saying you speak to the interests of whichever group you are speaking to at the time.

    Obama didn't come clean with white working class voters about NAFTA. You perhaps don't talk about sexual identity or BLM issues when speaking to Boston Southies. That does feel dirty. People called Hillary phony simply for reverting to her Arkansas accent when speaking to crowds in the South. Somerby goes to the darkest place and proposed that Lilla means that hatred for the despised white worker must be suppressed to court their votes. I doubt Lilla means that.

    Should we extend that same tolerance to conservatives in order to court their votes, or would that be actual pandering? I think it would be a conflict between what our party stands for and what they believe in. I don't think blurring that line is a good idea, nor do I think it is necessary.

    If Somerby wishes to become a conservative, I doubt they will accept him with open arms. He may find himself admiring their views lately, but the admiration won't be mutual.

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    1. This comment pretty much reflects the poisonous sentiment of a large number of Democrats, that the function of government is to serve those who can make the case that they belong to a group that is at a relative disadvantage in society but that government has no obligation to serve the general population. Democrats who think this way are for the Democratic wing of the neo-liberal project the most useful of all political dullards.

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    2. When everyone is protected, no one is protected. When did I ever say government shouldn't do its job?

      You seem to want to call someone a neo-liberal so that you don't have to deal further with anything said. That's an evasion.

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    3. Obama/Clintonism, "When everyone is protected, no one is protected" (alternatively, in the matter of neo-liberal Democratic coalition building, "Protection is for the rich and the poor- all others, you're on your own.")

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    4. That's a nice liberal response. You don't care about the white working class, because ... reasons. If a low income white person cannot afford health care, so what? It's not like they are being denied health care because of their race.

      Meanwhile, here's another article about microagressions and white privilege that we can praise to the skies.

      You do not seem to get it. We always say that low income white people are voting against their self interest by voting for Republicans. Then we turn around and say "we don't care about them or their interests."

      So which is it?

      It's NOT about making white working people into a "protected class", whatever that is supposed to mean. Instead a Democratic Party that lived up to the Kennedy speech of 1980 would be able to say to white working people "if you vote for us, we will make your lives better, we will work for you TOO" Instead of "if you vote for us we will improve the lives of Black people, immigrants, LGBTQIRVOBAFGKMRNS, and women, and we will work for THEM."

      Insofar as we present the latter message, we don't deserve their vote or support. (Or mine either, really).

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    5. Dr. T, I agree with my whole heart.

      My heart goes out to those who are oppressed systematically according to their skin, their sexuality, or -- yes -- their class.

      We have almost begun to realize, as a society, that we are a society with built-in oppression of humanity. We are still just at the beginning stages of incorporating the reality of race, sexual and gender oppression into our politics.

      This makes it Even Sadder when we see people who are correctly so strongly committed to waging those important struggles nevertheless dedicate themselves to the foolish proposition that America doesn't also systematically oppress people according to class.

      Recognize class intersectionality or your supposedly woke politics are worthless!

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    6. I don't believe anyone who supports protection of minorities is against addressing the opposition by class.

      I see this as Bernie Sanders dressing up old ideas about class for the adolescents who have never encountered Marxism and calling it a new movement. The focus on identity politics is seen as a distraction fomented by the plutocracy to divide the people who have only one cause -- class, and if they become Sandernista's we will work toward the emergence of a classless society. But we all saw how that worked out (not just in Russia).

      And if you think the white working class is going to respond to class-based arguments, you are as deluded as the intellectuals of the 1930s.

      People are not oppressed because of their class. Their class oppresses them because it does not permit them to participate in our society in the same ways as people with more advantages. Otherwise, class is just another form of identity politics, one that permits white workers to escape the stigma of being white supremacists and instead use class membership to assert their needs. Class must be about what you do, not who you are.

      I've never met a liberal (or neo-liberal)
      Democrat who denied the intersectionality of class. It is the primacy of class over identity that is being argued today. Such arguments are easy to refute by looking at the stats for poor white people compared to black people with the same income.

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    7. Strawman. Hillary didn't talk to white voters about the needs of black people. She talked to them about jobs and education and health care and stuff that was relevant to them. They didn't believe her because she was called a crook and a tricky person, pandering to them instead of caring about them. Who portrayed her that way? Sanders and the conservatives. Every email revealed on WikiLeaks showed Hillary's campaign and Podesta talking about how to manipulate the voters most efficiently. It fed the idea that Hillary would say anything to get votes. Once that idea was established it didn't matter what she said to anyone. People chose to believe Trump because he was "real".

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    8. Low income white people get subsidies for their health care. If they are middle income, they don't need such subsidies. The problem is that health used to be a free benefit from employers but it isn't any more. Workers don't want to pay for something that used to be free, and that they continue to believe should be free. It isn't that they cannot afford it. They would rather spend their money on luxuries because today everyone believes they should live like the rich (e.g., those who don't have to think about how they spend their money).

      The idea of frugality, saving, budgeting, that lingered with the children of depression era parents, is gone now. It must be relearned by the middle class the hard way. When you buy something, you need to find the money somewhere else (or increase your income somehow). Health care is important but it does mean you must sacrifice something else to pay for it. Our government decided to stop people from using the emergency room for their health care by forcing them to buy insurance. It has shifted the cost from the public onto the consumer of services. It is responsible for middle income people, white or not, to pay for their health care. If they truly cannot afford it, it is subsidized. Beyond that, no one really thinks they can afford it because they just don't want to pay for it. It is hard to think about the value of paying for something you don't currently use just because you will probably need it in the future. It isn't an abuse of middle income people to expect them to be responsible about this.

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    9. The promise of capitalism is that it can deliver broad based prosperity to the society in the present or near term, not just the opportunity for some individuals to become prosperous. When a particular form of capitalism fails to deliver on its promise it needs to be modified or abandoned. But what we hear now is not that capitalism can deliver broad based prosperity but that it is "fair" or a system which is owed religious homage and therefore must be kept in place.

      Healthcare is not a service that can best be delivered in a market system. There are no substitutes for best practices that anybody would want, catastrophic expenses must be borne through insurance which leads to a self-selection "market for lemons" problem that requires insurance companies to charge a healthy individual far higher premiums than his/her true Actuarial Cost would suggest, the industry is so fast changing and complicated the "consumer" can not make informed judgments, the consumer is often faced with a "your money or your life" choice when purchasing that service in the market, service and equipment providers will always have the political clout to extort high rents through licensing and patent protections in a market based healthcare system.

      Single payer and socialized medicine systems flat out deliver better society wide benefits than a market based healthcare system. The experiment has been run every which way from Sunday and that's the result.

      The same can be said for the superiority of a universal Old Age, Survivor, and Disability insurance program for the general population of wage earners. Theoretical capitalists will try to tell you otherwise but there's no empirical evidence they can cite to show that their position is correct.

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  4. In terms of politics and policy, I fit into none of Hillary's "basket" characterizations (although I did oppose a couple of Obama's policies, which I suppose makes me a racist).

    Her instinct to say those ugly and simpleminded words in a moment less scripted than her official campaign appearances revealed something new about her to me that I'd not assumed before. She had always seemed reasonable and intelligent, so not prone to that kind of broad-brush bigotry. To his credit, her husband always resisted it. Looking back, her cookie baking remarks and others might have been a clue about her own attitudes.

    I realized she was actually all in with those in her party who conducted the Stalinist witch hunts over the last several years, most often in the form of false rape and police "murder" accusations. No liberal can get behind that disgusting cultural development, and she didn't get my vote.

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  5. Somerby and some commenters here seem to not want to talk about racists and misogynists. Are there such people in the world? And if there are, is there a significant number? Is it worth trying to quantify the problem? And finally, if there are such people, should we talk about them or do we avoid doing so because we might offend others who don't fit that profile? Somerby seems to be in the camp of never talking about "those people" and yet "those people" actually exist. So how do you talk about them?

    At the time HRC made her comments the press was really trying very hard NOT to talk about some of Trump's supporters in those terms. The press labeled many of Trump's remarks as "offensive" and they tacitly mentioned that many of Trump's supporters appreciated that rhetoric, but they never really shined a light on the true ugliness of many of Trump's supporters. So, if the press wasn’t going to actually expose what was behind a lot of Trump’s support, is it such a bad idea for HRC to at least try to start a conversation highlighting the fact a lot of Trump’s support was coming from deplorable people?
    In contrast, during the civil rights movement of the 1960's the press was very effective at pointing the cameras at average white citizens and exposing their hatred for blacks. It was the fact the press shined a light on their vitriolic bigotry that caused other Americans to be repulsed and effectively brought about significant change. In 2016 the press didn't actually do that. They occasionally showed ugly scenes from Trump rallies, but mostly they took a neutral point of view toward Trump supporters. There was no real effort to expose the worst of Trump's supporters to the world. Late night comedy shows made a much greater effort to do so than the press. To highlight how far the press's civil sensibilities has fallen since the 1960's, after the election the public editor of the NYT actually said one of the big mistakes the press made was they weren't as sympathetic to Trump supporters as they should have been. A mostly sanitized view of Trump supporters wasn't enough. The press should have been more sympathetic. Somerby seems to agree with this view.

    If there are still racists and misogynists in this world, is there any way we can make THOSE people a topic of conversation? Is there any reason we should actually try to expose their ugliness? Yes, calling people "racists" should require a difficult threshold to overcome. Unfortunately, many on our side have made it seem easier than it really is which amounts to crying "wolf" too often and hurts our cause, but there really are such people still around and I believe we do need to effectively expose them. The 60's proved that's important. Somerby wants to get our side to stop crying wolf but he doesn't seem to want to talk about the fact there still are racist and misogynistic wolves that need to be exposed. Following Somerby's lead will only be a half measure. We need to confront the entire problem.

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    1. I am white working class. Every day I work with racist and misogynistic white men. They supported Trump, despite benefitting from the social programs promoted by Democrats and Hillary Clinton. Some whispered at armed insurrection should the election not go their way, have openly hoped for political assasination. Seriously, in what way could the Democratic party, at any point on its spectrum, even hope to attract the votes of these guys, having been awash in Limbaugh and Beck and Hannity for decades? They're gone.

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  6. "Somerby and some commenters here seem to not want to talk about racists and misogynists. Are there such people in the world? And if there are, is there a significant number? "

    No one says they don't exist. It's not that people don't want to talk about them, it's that they are ALL the progressive left talks about and their excessive focus does nothing except make whatever is left of those problems worse. Racism and misogyny that actually affects an individual's chances for advancement is nearly nonexistent in America in 2016. It's time to move on from blaming racism or sexism for the problems of individuals. Every person in America has access to opportunity to pursue anything, and when they fail to do that the culprit is not failures of government, it is their parents, themselves, or cultural forces (the progressive left) that convince them to believe the lie that they are victims.

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    1. " Somerby wants to get our side to stop crying wolf but he doesn't seem to want to talk about the fact there still are racist and misogynistic wolves that need to be exposed. "

      It's not working anymore. When lynchings and other grave injustices are an accepted part of the culture, serious people take the problem seriously. When every person who opposes Obama on any point is said to have been motivated by his race, or any rape accuser's word is expected to be believed until proven false, serious people see that the greater problem is a modern McCarthyism rather than the nominal remaining level of consequential racism in this country. The progressives enjoyed blind acceptance of accusations of racism or sexism, decided they enjoyed leveling them even when they were unfounded or even proven false, and it has caught up with them.

      Real victims are the ones who will pay the price. In large cities thousands will die as a result of these tactics, not by the hand of a racist cop but by the hand of another black man who isn't stopped by the cop who would have intervened before even at the risk of his life, but has been forced to let it happen in order to avoid becoming the subject of the next progressive witch hunt.

      Everyone else in those neighborhoods are also victims and are losing whatever freedom they have because they can no longer rely on police to stand between them and violent thugs. The wealthy white instigators in the media remain safe and sound.

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    2. "Racism and misogyny that actually affects an individual's chances for advancement is nearly nonexistent in America"

      So it's just a coincidence that the U.S. is one of the few democracies in the world that has never elected a female President and for only the first time had a female nominee on a major party ticket? Congressional, Senate, and state government has slightly more female representation but still well under 50% (in case you don't get the point: Women make up 50% of the population but make up nowhere near 50% of government). We've only had one person of color as President and that happened for the first time only 8 years ago. Minorities have been elected to lower offices but, in percentage terms, have lower representation compared to their make-up in society.

      We've made some improvement with regard to racism and misogyny and certainly a lot of that can be characterized as "significant" improvement, but your characterization of "every person in America has access to opportunity" is false because every person in America doesn't have the SAME opportunities as others. It is much easier for some to find opportunities and a big part of that is, as you admit, the fact racists and misogynists still exist. How significant are they in numbers? How significant are they in their effect for opportunities? I don't know for sure but neither do you, and again, the fact that women and people of color are still vastly under-represented in government shows there is still a big problem, which means that talking about how much racism and misogyny plays a part in that reality is very important. It certainly shouldn't be swept under the rug because you believe everyone has the same opportunities as everyone else. That's simply not true.

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  7. Dear friends, How can I explain this to the world again that there is
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  9. My Name is david howard am from USA..my people Join me as i share the wonderful work of Dr EKADOLA how he cured my HIV AIDS Disease, that almost took my life, i have lived with this disease and did all i could be cured but no way.i have been searching out on a cure to terminate my HIV AIDS and on my search i found Dr EKIADOLA help on the lives of many people . and after i wrote to him on how to get a cure, he directed me on the steps and he prepared my herbal medicine and after he sent it to me that after using it, i will be cured, and that was how he sent me my medicine and after using it for some days i was found negative by my test result. why not contact him today on his email: ekiadolaherbalhome@gmail.com and he can still cured..HERPES,HEPATITIS B,CANCER,DIABETICS, his email via ekiadolaherbalhome@gmail.com whatsapp number +2349057915075

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  10. My Name is david howard am from USA..my people Join me as i share the wonderful work of Dr EKADOLA how he cured my HIV AIDS Disease, that almost took my life, i have lived with this disease and did all i could be cured but no way.i have been searching out on a cure to terminate my HIV AIDS and on my search i found Dr EKIADOLA help on the lives of many people . and after i wrote to him on how to get a cure, he directed me on the steps and he prepared my herbal medicine and after he sent it to me that after using it, i will be cured, and that was how he sent me my medicine and after using it for some days i was found negative by my test result. why not contact him today on his email: ekiadolaherbalhome@gmail.com and he can still cured..HERPES,HEPATITIS B,CANCER,DIABETICS, his email via ekiadolaherbalhome@gmail.com whatsapp number +2349057915075

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  11. My Name is david howard am from USA..my people Join me as i share the wonderful work of Dr EKADOLA how he cured my HIV AIDS Disease, that almost took my life, i have lived with this disease and did all i could be cured but no way.i have been searching out on a cure to terminate my HIV AIDS and on my search i found Dr EKIADOLA help on the lives of many people . and after i wrote to him on how to get a cure, he directed me on the steps and he prepared my herbal medicine and after he sent it to me that after using it, i will be cured, and that was how he sent me my medicine and after using it for some days i was found negative by my test result. why not contact him today on his email: ekiadolaherbalhome@gmail.com and he can still cured..HERPES,HEPATITIS B,CANCER,DIABETICS, his email via ekiadolaherbalhome@gmail.com whatsapp number +2349057915075.

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  12. I know people will be complaining about their marriage, and their relationship, especially the women, they usually complain about their husband does not love them anymore, their husband is cheating on them and even their husband left them, but my case was similar to theirs, my name is sonia Walker, I am from Texas, USA, I had a very similar case with theirs, my husband, Walker left me with my two kids, for no reason, he said he does not love me anymore, he left for about 5 years, he never called me even my kids, I had a friend, Anita, she had a case similar to mine but her husband is now with her, I told her my problems I was facing, she told me about a great man that helped her to solve her problems, she introduced me to the great Baba ubeji, a man with great powers and kindness, he told me that my problems will be solved, so I believed, then after one week, it was unbelievable my husband came to me asking me for forgiveness, I accepted him, he has changed some much since when he came back, I just want to thank, the great Baba ubeji for his understanding and love, my friends if you are facing similar problems with me and even some other problems, he introduced me to some people he has helped, he can also help with solutions to some problems, like;
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    if you have a similar case to these problems and you want solutions, and even some problems you may have and you need solutions, you can email him at: greatbabaubeji@gmail.com

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  13. I have been suffering from (HERPES SIMPLEX VIRUS) disease for the past two years and had constant pain, especially in my knees. During the first year,I had faith in God that i would be healed someday.This disease started circulating all over my body and i have been taking treatment from my doctor, few weeks ago i came on search on the internet if i could get any information concerning the prevention of this disease, on my search i saw a testimony of someone who has been healed from (HERPES SIMPLEX VIRUS) by this Man Dr Ero and she also gave the email address: dreroherbaltreatment@gmail.com of this man and advise we should contact him for any sickness that he would be of help, so i wrote to Dr.Ero telling him about my (HERPES Virus) he told me not to worry that i was going to be cured!! hmm i never believed it,, well after all the procedures and remedy given to me by this man few weeks later i started experiencing changes all over me as the Dr Ero assured me that i have cured,after some time i went to my doctor to confirmed if i have be finally healed behold it was TRUE, So friends my advise is if you have such sickness or any other at all you can email:: dreroherbaltreatment@gmail.com.

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  14. I was cured of HIV with the used of natural herbs. My name is Sarah and am from US. I love herbs so much. Most times, injection and drugs are just a waste of time. I was cured 8months ago, i suffered from HIV for 13yrs but with the help of DR. Baba Ogu herbal medicine, i was cured within few weeks of drinking the herbs he sent to me through courier delivery service. This same doctor also cured my Aunty from herpes, as soon as i heard she had herpes, i quickly refer her to Dr. Baba Ogu and she was cured too after drinking his herbs.I have referred more than 15 persons to Dr. Baba Ogu and they were all cured from their various illness. Have you taken herbs before?. You have spent so much money on drugs,injections,surgeries etc and yet you have no good result to show for it. Contact Dr. Baba Ogu now, he is a herbalist doctor, i assured you of a cure if you drink his natural herbs. Dr Baba Ogu have herbs that cures Hiv, Herpes, diabetics, asthma, hepatitis,HBP, STD, cancer, chronic, etc. He is also a spell caster, he can cast a spell to bring back your EX lover. Contact Dr. Baba Ogu through his Email address on: drbabaogu@gmail.com or WHATSAP/CALL him on +2348137291215. Share the good news to others once you are cured. Thank you

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  15. I found out that I am HIV positive when I was 4 months pregnant. I had been waiting to fall pregnant for 11 years and I was so hurt because I had been so excited. I felt so bad but fortunately I had a friend who was a social worker. I first disclosed to her and I ask her to help me to find a way of telling my mother. But my main problem was how to disclose to my partner because I knew he had a negative attitude about HIV.
    My friend told me to disclose when I felt ready to do so. After three weeks of counseling I decided to tell my partner about my status. He felt so sorry for me and was worried that maybe I would be depressed and have complications and lose our unborn baby. He asked me to accompany him to go and do his HIV test, Unfortunately he was also HIV positive.
    I started herbal medicine because my CD4 count cells were 129. I told him that I would feel much better if I could disclose to my mother. My mother was very supportive and also helped me to take my herbal medicine at the correct times.
    I gave birth to my baby boy who was 4.1kg at birth and was HIV negative. At home everybody, even my little boy, knows that his mother is taking herbal medicine at 8 pm. He reminds me to take my herbal medicine when Generation starts. My son doesn’t know that know what the treatment is for. Only my partner and I at home know that I am on herbal medicine. Consult a herbal doctor on hiv cure : homeofnaturalremedy@gmail.com or call +2349050606649 because i am now negative as well as my husband after two more months of taking this herbal product

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  16. Thanks to my friend that lead me to Great Dr Bude,I’m so grateful to Great Dr Bude for healing me, My name is Adam Erick from Spain. I was diagnose with HIV/AIDS in FEB 2014 and ever since then i have done a lot of treatments that have not helped issues, but only damaged my immune system and frustrated me. I came across Great Dr Bude through several testimonies of his spiritual power and herbs cure and I was able to contact him at:(drbudeherbalhome@gmail.com). I’m here to let every one know that am no longer a HIV/AIDS patient, I have experience a total change in my health, with Great Dr Bude spiritual power and herbs cure, I have experience a total transformation in my health after Great Dr Bude cast healing spell on me. for all HIV/AIDS patient that live in the America region and Europe at large, Great Dr Bude can also offer any types of help like Reuniting of marriage and relationship, Curing of all types of Diseaseslike Herpes.. protection and lot’s more. contact him on his E-mail: (drbudeherbalhome@gmail.com) and phone number :+2349035820114.

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  17. Thanks to my friend that lead me to Great Dr Bude,I’m so grateful to Great Dr Bude for healing me, My name is Adam Erick from Spain. I was diagnose with HIV/AIDS in FEB 2014 and ever since then i have done a lot of treatments that have not helped issues, but only damaged my immune system and frustrated me. I came across Great Dr Bude through several testimonies of his spiritual power and herbs cure and I was able to contact him at:(drbudeherbalhome@gmail.com). I’m here to let every one know that am no longer a HIV/AIDS patient, I have experience a total change in my health, with Great Dr Bude spiritual power and herbs cure, I have experience a total transformation in my health after Great Dr Bude cast healing spell on me. for all HIV/AIDS patient that live in the America region and Europe at large, Great Dr Bude can also offer any types of help like Reuniting of marriage and relationship, Curing of all types of Diseaseslike Herpes.. protection and lot’s more. contact him on his E-mail: (drbudeherbalhome@gmail.com) and phone number :+2349035820114.

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  18. Hello everyone, I was infected with the herpes virus and I got cured of the herpes virus few months ago after i contacted Dr Ekpiku. I saw a post on the internet after i have seek healing for several years from different doctors in California. I sent the Doctor a request for help, just a few email i followed his instruction and he sent me the medication after i paid him. Now i am negative and i referred him to all my friend who had this same sickness and they have gotten their cure too. You can contact him via his email.Ekpikuspellhomeofgrace@hotmail.com or Ekpikuspellhomeofgrace@gmail.com or Phone call: 2348073673757. While i was on his medication i understood that he can also cure HERPES, HIV/AIDS, CANCER, Male/female menopause, Miscarriage, Menstruation problems, PREGNANCY PROBLEM, EPILEPSY, GONORRHEA, LASSA FEVER, OBESITY, KIDNEY FAILURE, HYPERTENSION, FIBROID TUMOR and many more.

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  19. i want to inform the public how i was cured from (HERPES SIMPLEX VIRUS) by Dr Osifo,i visited different hospital but they gave me list of drugs like Famvir, Zovirax, and Valtrex which is very expensive to treat the symptoms and never cured me. I was browsing through the Internet searching for remedy on herpes and i saw comment of people talking about how Dr Osifo cured them. when i contacted him he gave me hope and send a Herbal medicine to me that i took and it seriously worked for me, am a free person now without problem, my herpes result came out negative. I pray for you Dr Osifo, am cured you can also get your self cured my friends if you really need Dr Osifo help, you can reach him now on this Email: drosifoherbalcenter@gmail.com OR WhatsAPP him on his mobile number +2348074876448.

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  20. Hello everyone my name is kenry cybil from usa and I’m here to testify to the general public on how my HIV/AID was cure by Dr bello, Thanks goes to Dr. bello who finally save my life with his herbal medication at no cost, May God continue to support you for the good work you are doing, i decided to share This contact to the general public for those that need his help. if you are out their suffering in pains looking for solution for any spiritual problem or affection of any kinds. Via him through this Email : bellosolutionhome@gmail.com, he his out there to help you out and put a smile in your face again. also he can cure any kinds of deadly disease, Herpes, HIV/Aids, Stroke, Herbs and Cancer. Truly 100% sure treatment for just 7days as instructed on how to use his herbal medication all the pains are gone also contact him on bellospelltemple@gmail.com or whatsApp him +2348147271779 good luck.

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  21. HOW I WAS CURE FROM HERPES WITHIN 8 DAYS WITH THE HELP OF DR MAZIK
    HERBAL HOME OF MEDICINE CONTACT (DR DR MAZIK NOW FOR YOUR CURE(drmazikpowers@gmail.com)
    My name is DORIS KINS I am from USA, I am here to give my testimony about a
    doctor who helped me in my life. I was infected with HERPES in 2016, i went
    to many hospitals for cure but there was no solution, so I was thinking how
    can I get a solution out so that my body can be okay. One day I was in the
    river side thinking where I can go to get solution. so a lady walked to me
    her name is kutrila telling me why am I so sad and i open up all to her
    telling her my problem,that i have herpes genital she told me that she can
    help me out, she introduce me to a doctor who uses herbal medication to
    cure HERPES and gave me his email, so i mail him. He told me all the things
    I need to do and also give me instructions to take, which I followed
    properly. Before I knew what is happening after two weeks the HERPES that
    was in my body got vanished . so if you are you are having herpes or any
    kind of disease listed below and you also want cure, you can also email him
    at:(drmazikpowers@gmail.com). OR add him up on whatsapp ;
    +2348067530744)
    if you are having any type of this disease or infection kindly email doctor
    (drmazikpowers@gmail.com) OR add him up on whatsapp ; +2348067530744) for cure

    1. GETTING YOUR EX LOVER BACK.
    2. HERPES SIMPLEX VIRUS
    3. CHILD BEARING.
    4. BREAKING OF GENERATION COURSE.
    5. GETTING OF JOB.
    6. JOB PROMOTION.
    7. MONEY SPELL.
    8. SPIRITUAL PROTECTION.
    9. HERBAL CARE.
    10. BEAUTY SPELL.
    11. WINNING LOTTERIES
    12. Lost Love Spells
    13. Divorce Spells
    14. Marriage Spells
    15. Binding Spells
    16. Breakup Spells
    17. Banish a past Lover.
    18. You want to be promoted in your office.
    19. Fertility Spells/Pregnancy Spells

    I promise him i will always share his good news on-line for those that are
    having different problem to be able to reach him mostly if you want to be
    free from disease.

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  22. Good day everyone my name is Grace Anna from U.S.A, I have this great opportunity to share this testimony about how I get cure from my HIV,three years ago I was HIV positive so I was suffering from it I was doing one thing or the order to get a cure there was know way for it so I was on my research on the internet I saw a testimony of a young man, about how dr.agbebaku help him get a cured for HIV with his herbal medicine I was surprise and I do not believe I said okay let me try him I contact him on his email address and he gave me instructions and I follow it he told me what to do and I did it, after a week he sent to me the medicine true DHL he told me how to use it and I did exactly how he instructed me to use it, after two weeks he told me that I should go for test, indeed I did it, and behold I was HIV "negative" am so grateful Doctor, now am happy with my Husband and two kids I want to use this opportunity to say this, please if you have this kind of disease called HIV, I want you to contact him on is email; dragbebakuspellsolutiontemple@gmail.com call or whatsapp him on +2349053099479 and he can also help you get a cure for HPV, HERPES, CANCER,disease and he can cure you from any kind of diseases with his herbal medicine. all you have to do is to believe him. thank you my Dr may god bless you,see more at:dragbebakuherbalho.wixsite.com/solutioncenter

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  23. My name is ALEX JENNY, and i want to thank Dr. Osagie for the herbal remedy he gave to me, i was suffering from HIV/ADS for so many years, but to God be the glory that i am healed with the herbal medicine that Dr. Osagie gave to me when i contacted him. i want to use this medium to tell everyone that the solution to our sickness has come, so i will like you to contact this great healer on his email address:(drosagiesolutiontemple@gmail.com OR
    DROSAGIESOULTIONTEMPLE@YAHOO.COM
    ) or whatsapp: +2347030465649, with him all your pains will be gone, i am really happy today that i am cured of HIV/ADS, i am now free from HIV/ADS VIRUS after the use of his herbal medicine. Once more i say a big thank you Dr. Osagie for healing me, i say may God continue to bless you abundantly and give you more power to keep helping those that want your help in their lives. contact him now on his email: (drosagiesolutiontemple@gmail.com OR
    DROSAGIESOULTIONTEMPLE@YAHOO.COM
    ) or His Whatsapp number: +2347030465649... Dr osagie has also cured my friend Vivan from HERPES DISEASE, so if you are infected with HERPES DISEASE kindly contact Dr osagie right now..

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  24. I never new there is power in ROOTS an HERBS until i met Dr AKIN MOMOH, a powerful Herbalist who gave me live again. My name is Harry Mark, i reside in Florida USA. After 7 years of Broken marriage, my Wife left me with one kid Ella. All because i was HEPATITIS B, I felt like my life was about to end and i almost committed suicide, i was emotionally down for a very long time. Thanks to a Great DR, Akin Momoh who i met online on one faithful day when I was browsing through the internet, i came across a lot of testimonies about this particular Great Haberlist, how he has helped so many people. He has helped people to bring back their EX and cure so many disease, some testified that he restores womb, cure cancer and other sickness, and so on. I also came across a testimony, it was about a woman called Michele Paul, she testified about how Dr Akin, Root an HERBS, made her to be pregnant after so many years of bareness and at the end of her testimony she dropped Dr Akin Momoh email address via:drakinmomoh@gmail.com. After reading all these, i decided to give it a try and i contacted him and explained my problem to him and he assured me that in less than 2 months, i will get cure an my Wife will call me and beg for forgiveness but i thought it will not work.He told me the items that will be used to prepared the Roots an Herbs, When he had finished the preparation of the Roots the next 4 days he sent it to my door step an follow the directive in the next 2 months i start seeing changings an behold i went for test i was negative feel of Hepatitis B an my Wife called me and she was begging for forgiveness just as Dr Akin Momoh has said, on this note i said there is every reason to share this testimony. Dr Akin Momoh, is a really gifted man and i will not stop publishing him because he is a wonderful man. If you have a problem and you are looking for a real and a genuine Dr to solve all your problems contact Dr Akin Okoh Momoh, through his mail: drakinmomoh@gmail.com or call His mobile number +2348154989405. He will help you solve all your problems. Once again thanks Dr Akin Momoh, for your good work.

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  25. Happiness is all i see now I never thought that I will be cured from HERPES virus again. I have been suffering from a deadly disease (HERPES) for the past 3 years now, I had spent a lot of money going from one places to another, from churches to churches, hospitals have been my home every day residence. Constant checks up have been my hobby not until this faithful day, I was searching through the internet, I saw a testimony on how DR Aba helped someone in curing his HERPES disease, quickly I copied his email which is dr.abaherbalhome@gmail.com just to give him a test I spoke to him, he asked me to do some certain things which I did, he told me that he is going to provide the herbal cure to me, which he did, then he asked me to go for medical checkup after some days after using the herbal cure, behold I was free from the deadly disease, he only asked me to post the testimony through the whole world, faithfully am doing it now, please brothers and sisters, he is great, I owe him in return. if you are having a similar problem just email him on ( dr.abaherbalhome@gmail.com ) or you can whatsApp his mobile number on +2348107155060

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  26. I am Melissa Donald am from the united state and i live in Pennsylvania all thanks to Dr. OROROGUN I am here to share a good testimony of my self on how i came in contact with a real herbalist who helped me. i appreciate everyone for taken their precious time to read my testimony, 6 months ago i was diagnosed of GENITAL HERPES, this means that 6 months ago i was HERPES positive when i told one of my good friend about this, she sympathized with me and then she said that she was going to help me out, she told me that we should do some research on the Internet, we came across Dr OROROGUN and my friend said that she has come across a lot about him and said that he is a real herbalist remedy to all illness, i was really surprised on this and confused as well, I was so speechless and quickly i contact him to help me and he prepared some herbs for me and send it across to me and he told me the way i was going to be taken the medicine which i did, and in the next 2 weeks i went to the hospital and the doctor look at my face in surprise and ask me what medication did i used and he congratulared me and said i was negative, i am very happy about this, when i contacted Dr OROROGUN again to tell him the good result , i asked him how he was able to help me, and he said that he was gifted with it that he can all sort of diseases in as far is in the human body. also reach him to because health is better than wealth Email him ororogunherbalhome@gmail.com.or you whatsApp him with is number +2349033470441.

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  27. attention you all,i don't just know the reason why some people is finding it difficult to believe that there is a cure for HIV, i have been HIV+ since last three years with my boyfriend but today i am happy that i am HIV_ with herbal medicine of Dr EKADOLA the great healer,i was browsing the Internet searching for help when i came across a testimony shared by someone on how Dr EKADOLA cure his HIV i was so much in need of getting his treatment but after all Dr EKADOLA brought a smile to my face with his herbal medicine. i am so much happy today that we have someone like this great healer out there, so my people out there kindly contact this great healer on his email address: ekiadolaherbalhome@gmail.com please sir keep your good work cause there are people out there who is in need of your healing medicine.once more contact him now: ekiadolaherbalhome@gmail.com or call him at+2349057915075 once you get inturch with him tell him that i mabel inform you about is ambition work.good lucky

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  28. I'm from United State and i live in CALIFONIA am here to give my testimony about Dr .OROROGUN who helped me cure my HERPES (HSV), i want to inform the public how i was cured from (HERPES SIMPLEX VIRUS) by Dr OROROGUN, i visited different hospital but they gave me list of drugs like Famvir, Zovirax, and Valtrex which is very expensive to treat the symptoms and never cured me. Three months ago a friend suggested that I try herbal medicine; from a very powerful herbal doctor called Dr.OROROGUN. I looked up his blog on the internet site and indeed he have had immense success with his product. There were lot of persons posting their testimony about how he cured them. when i contacted him he gave me hope and send a Herbal medicine to me that i took and it seriously worked for me, my HERPES result just came out negative. My doctor was shocked how i got cured. I am so happy as i am sharing this testimony. My advice to you all who thinks that their is no cure for herpes that is Not true just contact him and get cure from Dr.OROROGUN. Herbal Center. He can cure of all kinds of STD you may have. Remember your health is precious email him with his email as; (ororogunherbalhome@gmail.com),or you what App HIM WITH HIS NUMBER WHICH I ALWAYS USE TO REACH HIM TO TELL HIM ABOUT MY HEALTH +2349033470441 THANKS FOR READING.

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  29. I was cured of HIV with the used of natural herbs. My name is Sarah and am from US. I love herbs so much. Most times, injection and drugs are just a waste of time. I was cured 8months ago, i suffered from HIV for 13yrs but with the help of DR. Baba Ogu herbal medicine, i was cured within few weeks of drinking the herbs he sent to me through courier delivery service. This same doctor also cured my Aunty from herpes, as soon as i heard she had herpes, i quickly refer her to Dr. Baba Ogu and she was cured too after drinking his herbs.I have referred more than 15 persons to Dr. Baba Ogu and they were all cured from their various illness. Have you taken herbs before?. You have spent so much money on drugs,injections,surgeries etc and yet you have no good result to show for it. Contact Dr. Baba Ogu now, he is a herbalist doctor, i assured you of a cure if you drink his natural herbs. Dr Baba Ogu have herbs that cures Hiv, Herpes, diabetics, asthma, hepatitis,HBP, STD, cancer, chronic, etc. He is also a spell caster, he can cast a spell to bring back your EX lover, he cast a good luck spell and so many other spell. Contact him on: drbabaogu@gmail.com or WHATSAP/CALL him on +2348137291215.Please Share the good news to others people once you are cured. Thank you.

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  30. I'm from United State and i live in CALIFONIA am here to give my testimony about Dr .OROROGUN who helped me cure my HERPES (HSV), i want to inform the public how i was cured from (HERPES SIMPLEX VIRUS) by Dr OROROGUN, i visited different hospital but they gave me list of drugs like Famvir, Zovirax, and Valtrex which is very expensive to treat the symptoms and never cured me. Three months ago a friend suggested that I try herbal medicine; from a very powerful herbal doctor called Dr.OROROGUN. I looked up his blog on the internet site and indeed he have had immense success with his product. There were lot of persons posting their testimony about how he cured them. when i contacted him he gave me hope and send a Herbal medicine to me that i took and it seriously worked for me, my HERPES result just came out negative. My doctor was shocked how i got cured. I am so happy as i am sharing this testimony. My advice to you all who thinks that their is no cure for herpes that is Not true just contact him and get cure from Dr.OROROGUN. Herbal Center. He can cure of all kinds of STD you may have. Remember your health is precious email him with his email as; (ororogunherbalhome@gmail.com),or you what App HIM WITH HIS NUMBER WHICH I ALWAYS USE TO REACH HIM TO TELL HIM ABOUT MY HEALTH +2349033470441 THANKS FOR READING.

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  31. Happiness is all i see now I never thought that I will be cured from HIV virus again. I have been suffering from a deadly disease (HIV) for the past 3 years now, I had spent a lot of money going from one place to another, from churches to churches, hospitals have been my home every day residence. Constant checks up have been my hobby not until this faithful day, I was searching through the internet, I saw a testimony on how DR AGBEBAKU helped someone in curing his HIV disease, quickly I copied his email which is dragbebakuspellsolutiontemple@gmail.com just to give him a test I spoke to him, he asked me to do some certain things which I did, he told me that he is going to provide the herbal cure to me, which he did, then he asked me to go for medical checkup after some days, after using the herbal cure, behold I was free from the deadly disease, he only asked me to post the testimony through the whole world, faithfully am doing it now, please BROTHER and SISTER, MOTHER and FATHER he is great, I owe him in return. if you are having a similar problem just email him on dragbebakuspellsolutiontemple@gmail.com or you can whatsApp his mobile number on +2349053099479 He can also cure this diseases like HIVand AIDS,DIABETICES,HEPATITIS B ABC,CANCER,GONORRHEA,LASSA FEVER,GONORRHEA,MENOPAUSE DISEASE, PARKISON DISEASE,Many more HE CAN ALSO CAST A SPELL FOR YOU TO BRING BACK YOUR EX LOVER.see more at;https://dragbebakuherbalho.wixsite.com/solutioncenter

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  32. I was cured of HIV with the used of natural herbs. My name is Sarah and am from US. I love herbs so much. Most times, injection and drugs are just a waste of time. I was cured 8months ago, i suffered from HIV for 13yrs but with the help of DR. Baba Ogu herbal medicine, i was cured within few weeks of drinking the herbs he sent to me through courier delivery service. This same doctor also cured my Aunty from herpes, as soon as i heard she had herpes, i quickly refer her to Dr. Baba Ogu and she was cured too after drinking his herbs.I have referred more than 15 persons to Dr. Baba Ogu and they were all cured from their various illness. Have you taken herbs before?. You have spent so much money on drugs,injections,surgeries etc and yet you have no good result to show for it. Contact Dr. Baba Ogu now, he is a herbalist doctor, i assured you of a cure if you drink his natural herbs. Dr Baba Ogu have herbs that cures Hiv, Herpes, diabetics, asthma, hepatitis,HBP, STD, cancer, chronic, etc. He is also a spell caster, he can cast a spell to bring back your EX lover. Contact him on: drbabaogu@gmail.com or WHATSAP/CALL him on +2348137291215. Pls also Share the news to others people once you are cured.

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  33. Hello everybody,
    I don't just know the reason why some people is finding it difficult to believe that there is a cure for herpes, I have been suffering from herpes since last three years with my boyfriend but today I am happy that am cure from it with the herbal medicine of Dr Aba the great healer,I was browsing the internet searching for help when I came across a testimony shared by someone on how Dr Aba cure his herpes I was so much in need of getting his treatment but after all Dr Aba brought a smile to my face with his herbal medicine. I am so much happy today that we have someone like this great healer out there, so my people out there kindly contact this great healer on his email address: dr.abaherbalhome@gmail.com please sir keep your good work cause there are people out there who is in need of your healing medicine.once more contact him now: dr.abaherbalhome@gmail.com you can call him or whatsApp his number +2348107155060

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  34. BE CAREFUL HERE MANY OF THE DOCTORS HERE ARE SCAM,MOST TESTIMONIES OF MOST SPELL CASTER HERE MUST BE IGNORE.BECAUSE THEY ARE SCAM I MEAN REAL SCAM WHICH I WAS A VICTIM.I GOT RIPPED OF THREE THOUSANDS DOLLARS BY 4 CASTERS BECAUSE I WAS SO ANXIOUS TO GET MY WIFE BACK AFTER SHE LEFT ME FOR ALMOST 2 YEARS WITH OUR 4 YEARS OLD SON JERRY,, I HAVE PAID OVER $3000 ON SPELL CASTING AND COURIER AND NOTHING HAVE WORK FOR ME UNTIL ONE FAITHFUL DAY I GOT IN CONTACT WITH MADAM SOLUTION WHO DID WHAT I CALLED MAGIC BECAUSE I CONTACTED HER ON FRIDAY AND AFTER GIVEN HER MY DETAILS AND $245 FOR THE SPELL CASTING MY WIFE CALLED ME ON SUNDAY AND NOW WE ARE BACK TOGETHER AGAIN IF YOU NEED SIMILAR HELP THEN CONTACT HER NOW VIA EMAIL AT (magic.lovespel@reincarnate.com).or (mama.anitaspellcraft@hotmail.com) or (mamaanita.lovespellsolution@gmail.com)

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  35. Life is good when you have your love ones around you, I am saying this because when i had issues with my lover i never seen life as a good thing but thanks to Dr. OGUDUGU OF OGUDUGU SOLUTION TEMPLE, for helping me to cast a spell that brought my lover back to me within the space of 48hours. My husband left me for another woman after 7YEARS of marriage,but Dr.OGUDUGU help me cast a spell that brought him back to me within 48hours. I am not going to tell you more details about myself rather i will only advise those who are having issues in there relationship or marriages to contact Dr.OGUDUGU SOLUTION TEMPLE through these details via; (GREATOGUDUGU@GMAIL.COM Website: http://greatdrogudugusolutiontemple.webs.com/) or call him on WHATSAPP: +2348055304321?


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