BREAKING: Imagine all the information!

TUESDAY, APRIL 17, 2018

Kevin Drum passes it on:
Kevin Drum, our favorite fraught blogger, has passed some information along.

The information in question concerns public schools. More specifically, Drum follows up on yesterday's post, right here at this site, about Naep reading scores.

Drum notes the fact that these scores have improved in the past twenty years. He provides data for all U.S. schools, public as well as private. We don't care that much about Hotchkiss and Choate, so the data we posted covered public schools only.

That said, Drum notes the gains in reading scores over the past twenty years. Beyond that, he even poses a highly sensible set of questions:
DRUM (4/16/18): [H]ere’s my question: how fast should reading scores be improving? For that matter, is there any special reason that reading scores should be improving at all? Poverty hasn’t changed much. Average incomes haven’t changed much. The phonics wars have been raging for decades, but I’m not sure that reading pedagogy has really changed very much down on the ground.

So why do we expect reading scores to be skyrocketing in the first place? Why do we almost universally refuse to acknowledge that scores are up at all, let alone up a fair amount? Why are we so determined to believe that kids in the past were better educated than kids today, even though the evidence says nothing of the sort?
He's asking some very good questions there, concerning some deeply irrational conduct. We'd even go so far as to say that he's asking some anthropological questions about the deeply irrational way our species' weak minds tend to work.

It's an anthropological question! Our public discourse is heavily built on the rejection and disappearance of extremely basic data. This is true in all sorts of areas. But nowhere is it more true than on the topic of public schools, where our journalistic culture is heavily built around the promulgation of gloomy misinformation.

Why would a species behave that way? We don't know, but it's very much the way Homo pseudojournalisticus works, with a major assist from the complete indifference displayed by the kinds of corporate liberals you see snorkeling up Pulitzer prizes or making undisclosed millions of dollars on corporate "cable news" programs.

(How much money are they paid? You aren't allowed to know!)

Yesterday, we posted some very basic data. Drum then posted a similar set of data.

If our culture actually worked the way the civics textbooks describe, other people would pass this information along, and it would become common knowledge.

But our culture doesn't work that way. Anthropologically speaking, our journalistic culture is a joke, and our species is a clown show.

Final point:

No one gives a fig about black kids. That's especially true Over Here. Few things are quite so clear.

The place to go for data: Are you interested in public schools? Are you interested in all U.S. schools, public and private included?

All the data can be found here, thanks to the federal government.

It's never been easier to acquire reams of basic information. On the other hand, it's never been harder to get "journalists" to report basic matters of fact.

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  1. My only point of contention with Bob's thesis here is that I don't know that journalism now is any worse than it ever was. My guess is that things were plenty bad throughout history, and this is just a continuation of how things have always been.

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    1. "...and this is just a continuation of how things have always been."

      Agreed.

      Incidentally, this, on Bob's part, might be the same (not really all that mysterious) psychological phenomenon as believing "that kids in the past were better educated than kids today"...

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  2. "If our culture actually worked the way the civics textbooks describe, other people would pass this information along, and it would become common knowledge.

    But our culture doesn't work that way. Anthropologically speaking, our journalistic culture is a joke, and our species is a clown show."

    "Our culture" isn't identical with "our journalistic culture." People can know things, especially today, and don't have to rely on the "approved" media.

    Somerby has provided a very small amount of information regarding education, mostly consisting of the link to the NAEP web site, although he has provided that, over and over, for years now. Because of this, I now can find the test scores quickly. So, that's good.

    The problem I have with Somerby is twofold, however. First, he complains that his blog posts won't be shared and thus the very important test score info won't spread to our culture. I read his blog. But I find his tone and presentation so offputting that it's hard for me to recommend his blog to others. Second, Somerby seldom goes further with his posts about education than the repetitive listing of test scores. Yes, it's good information, but it's just a small beginning to a much larger discussion that he won't entertain at his blog. Some of his commenters seem to know some things about education and make some interesting points that Somerby never explores or even acknowledges. This stands in contrast to Drum, who often seeks and acknowledges input from his readers. On the contrary, Somerby's deeply negative or mocking tone tends to produce either angry rebuttals from commenters or serves to drive many readers away who might otherwise agree with some of his points.

    Finally, the endless trashing of journalists as a whole and the mocking of their "Pulitzer prizes" and their salaries and the mind-reading of their motives, along with Somerby's whining yesterday that "blogs, op-eds, letters to the editor" do no good, strikes me as a a bit of a cop-out, and can seem like sour grapes.

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    1. Anon. @ 2:58: When you write "Somerby seldom goes further..." I believe you are making the fundamental mistake of misunderstanding the purpose of Somerby's blog, which is to comment "on the mainstream 'press corps' and the American discourse.
      As Bob has indicated again, and again, and again the problem is that, as written by Herman and Chomsky in their book Manufacturing Consent we are being fed propaganda, as well as being deprived of accurate representations of fact by a fatuous crop of "journalists."
      Why so many commenters can't seem to grasp that fact is curious. Some would believe, for example, that Somerby "threw Hillary under the bus," rather than appreciate his purpose here. Learn how to read and comprehend.

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    2. Maybe it is because Somerby spends so much time attacking liberals and calling us names. Maybe it is because he blames outcomes on us, not the press.

      And yes, Somerby threw Hillary under the bus. Then he pretended she lost because of something we did -- even though many of us here worked our hearts out for Hillary.

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    3. Hillary was unelectable from the beginning. We all should have gotten behind Bernie who would have beaten Trump. Hillary actually lost to Trump. That's how horrible she was!

      Anyway, let's save it for another day.

      I'm glad you worked your heart out for her and believed in her. It's not your fault. Not exactly.

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    4. No candidate is "electable" if Russians hack and sabotage an election and the opposition party engages in voter suppression and the head of the FBI makes a statement about that candidate a few days before the election. Hillary didn't cause any of that and Bernie would have been just as damaged by all of it.

      As it happens, the Russians helped fund Bernie's campaign, Tad Devine (his campaign manager) was as closely tied into Russia and Trump's people were, and his own honeymoon in Moscow and similar youthful indiscretions would have made him more flawed than Hillary -- we never had a chance to find out because he couldn't beat Hillary in the primaries. Hard to see how he could have beaten Trump when he couldn't even beat that horrible Hillary.

      There will not be another day, thanks to you and people like you. Hope you are enjoying the new President you helped put into office.

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    5. No "like" button, but you are right.

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    6. mm - you're in denial. Just like she is. Kind of.

      But let's just leave it at that. What's done is done. Her political life is over. We can only hope that she has a diminished influence behind the scenes lest we continue to lose.

      What makes you like her so much?

      Some people can't be self-critical. Some people can't see it. Even when it's something they love, they can't look past the love and see the faults and deficiencies. That's what's happening to you here. It's interesting. I would hate to be that way although I suppose we all are in some degrees. Jesus, I'm probably that way about my wife now that I think about it. That's why people hate this blog so much. It forces them to be self-critical, to take responsibility for themselves and not outside events. Some people, well some people obviously just can't do that.

      You're right, time will pass, there will be another day. The history will be written about her and her campaign.

      Funny, I held my nose and voted for her. I watched her as she made the deplorables comment and hardly even campaigned in battleground states thinking the whole process was now somehow data-driven. And it's my fault. You say it's my fault. I got him elected.

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    7. I wonder if Horace's rose-colored glasses are readers or prescription.

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    8. I agree with mm. Hillary bears no responisbility for her loss. It was other's fault.

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    9. "Hillary actually lost to Trump. That's how horrible she was!"

      And Sanders lost to "horrible" Hillary.
      BTW, I hear winning the party nomination is the best bet to winning the general election.

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    10. "Funny, I held my nose and voted for her." reminds me of the old riposte: "Whoever smelt it, dealt it."

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  3. "We don't care that much about Hotchkiss and Choate"

    Private schools are different in different parts of the country. They are not all prep schools, as in the East. In the South they may be legacy schools created by desegregation. In the West they are largely religious schools. In PA or in Upstate NY they may be schools established by religious minorities. Hollywood Professional School (attended by child actors) is very different than Choate. In large cities with known problem schools, children are sent to alternative private schools that are not prep schools or elite in any sense except that they are not terrible. And then there are all the charter schools, which are considered private schools but are not Choate either.

    Somerby is wrong to avoid the evaluation of such schools.

    The people who tend to know the most about the performance of public schools in our society are real estate agents. Their clients routinely ask about the quality of the local public schools and listings of property nearly always include not just the names of the schools but their ratings. Parents do care about this and they look into it before buying a home. Renters may have fewer options but they certainly know about the quality of their kids' schools and try to get their kids into the best schools they can.

    Somerby says no one cares about black kids. Their parents usually do. When they do not, as when parents are addicts or absent or have some serious life difficulties, that is a tragedy but it is not the norm. Assuming that it is the norm is demeaning to the majority of parents who are trying to do the best for their kids, black or white or other. I am tired of Somerby ignoring or minimizing their efforts.

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  4. I am reading Hillary Clinton's book, What Happened. She describes one of her activities after losing to Barack Obama in 2008. She joined the Clinton Global Initiative board and worked on a project to get parents to read, sing and talk to their young children. But Bob thought Bernie was a better candidate. It sounds like he is projecting his lack of caring about minority kids onto the rest of us. I love Hillary and I enthusiastically support her and voted for her in several elections because she did stuff like this, even after being defeated in a close primary.

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    1. Somerby doesn't care at all about minority kids. When the media covers minority kids, Somerby ignores it or bitches about everything else.

      Somerby only cares about attacking liberals and defending Trump.

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    2. Is your logic Bernie was not a better candidate because he didn't work on a project to get parents to read, sing and talk to their young children?

      You make a connection between there that isn't clear.

      Thanks,

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    3. Yes, exactly. Somerby claims to care about minority kids but when a candidate works on a project to help them attain higher literacy and do better in school, he ignores that and votes for the guy who says nothing about education instead.

      My logic is that Somerby is a major hypocrite and doesn't make any effort to make his actions conform to his words.

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    4. Thanks for explaining your logic. Wishing you the best.

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  5. ' a major assist from the complete indifference displayed by the kinds of corporate liberals you see snorkeling up Pulitzer prizes '

    Those 'corporate liberals' did excellent reporting on the Moore scandal and on Russiagate. Whereas Somerby spent all his time defending Trump and Moore and trashing these journalists.

    Somerby is an utter moron and Trumptard.

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