BREAKING: What Happened back in 2016?

SATURDAY, APRIL 21, 2018

We outline one possible novel:
What actually happened in 2016, during that year's White House campaign?

More specifically, what explains the conduct of James B. Comey, known then as "Comey the god" within the establishment press?

A person could imagine the story any number of ways. Today, we offer the incomparable outline of one possible novel.

This novel would turn on the idea that Comey is possibly just a bit "wack" in the general area of possible "moral vanity." As an example of what we mean, we offer this photo from Comey's Twitter account—a photo from Gettysburg, to which he appends this pensee:

"Little Round Top, Gettysburg. Good place to think about leadership and values."

(For background, just click here.)

You might expect a post like that from a college kid who's trying to form his identity. By way of contrast, Comey was almost 57 years old when he posted that photo last fall. This novel would suggest that there was some sort of "identity issue" which, even at that age, Comey was still working out.

That identity issue would involve a rather juvenile sense of moral greatness on Comey's part. Novelistically, it would be alleged that he saw himself as a successor to the Jedi, a guild defined as shown below by the leading authority:
The Jedi are...an ancient monastic, academic, meritocratic and paramilitary organization whose origin dates back to c. 25,000 BBY (Before Battle of Yavin; the destruction of the first Death Star).

The Jedi Order mostly consists of polymaths: teachers, philosophers, scientists, engineers, physicians, diplomats and warriors. The Jedi value knowledge and wisdom, and serve others through acts of charity, citizenship, and volunteerism...
Novelistically, Comey would believe, perhaps in somewhat juvenile fashion, that his own modern-day guild—the guild of executive law enforcement, especially male executive law enforcement—was, in effect, our society's equivalent to the Jedi. Within that modern-day guild, he would novelistically see himself as the greatest of the modern-day Jedi—as someone superior even to the other knights around him.

That would be the novel's framework. What Happened would be this:
July 5, 2016: Comey has long since decided that Loretta Lynch, his putative superior, doesn't exhibit the qualities of his "master class" guild. On that basis, he decides to override Justice Department lines of authority so he can denounce Candidate Clinton, who also falls short of the moral greatness on constant display within his fraternal order.

Beyond that, Comey knows that he'll be attacked by a powerful rival guild, The Luddi, for his decision not to charge Clinton with crimes. In Comey's view, the history of the human race depends on his ability to lessen damage to himself from such attacks. This is the second reason for his lusty attacks on Candidate Clinton, which violate DOJ policies but diminish the Luddi attacks.

Late October 2016: By now, Comey believes he's "making decisions in an environment where Hillary Clinton was sure to be the next president." Polling never established any such certainty, of course. But Comey has joined a long list of elites in making this faulty assessment.

Why did he break Justice Department policy by making another announcement about Candidate Clinton, this time late in the campaign? Again, he knew he'd be attacked by the Luddi if he played by DOJ rules—and in his view, the history of the human race depended on his escape from any such opprobrium.

Also this: major liberal "cable news" stars had thoroughly enabled his conduct back in July. Given their history of supine behavior, he assumed they'd do so again.
Within the pages of this particular novel, Comey is a superlative husband, father, neighbor and friend. But at the age of 57, something still hasn't fallen into place regarding his identity issues in the "moral exemplar" realm.

Even at age 57, there's something he hasn't worked out! As a result, Donald J. Trump, who may be stark raving mad, now holds the nuclear codes.

Who offers Twitter posts like that, except when they're maybe 19?

There's always room for one more: Is Comey the only real successor to the masterful Jedi of old?

In this morning's Washington Post, Matt Zapotosky describes the way he's now thrown his trusted assistant, Andrew McCabe, under the DOJ bus.

It's getting crowded under that bus! Loretta Lynch still seems to be there, according to some who've read Comey.

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  2. When Somerby doesn't like someone, he doesn't pull any punches. And he takes these dislikes for odd reasons. I don't see anything wrong with musing about leadership at a famous battleground. I doubt Comey thinks about that all day long, in other contexts, as Somerby implies he may.

    Somerby doesn't Avenatti. He appeared on Bill Maher last night and seemed like a reasonable person. Not at all like the scummy con artist Somerby portrayed him to be. Bill Maher fits that description more closely.

    Somerby doesn't like Stephanie Clifford. Maybe because her lady parts are too big. Hard to tell why since his criticisms don't deal with anything except her lady parts. Way to treat a woman like a person -- if you're going to dislike her and call her a con artist, at least be specific about what she has done, other than choose a profession Somerby can't bring himself to name.

    None of these folks are cable media people, journalists, writers or even pundits. They are just people in the news. What justifies Somerby's dislike of them in a media criticism context? Nothing that I can see.

    I have to tell you, I dislike Somerby intensely these days. He doesn't play fair and he has revealed some retrogressive attitudes toward mistreatment of women that don't belong in the Democratic party and certainly don't belong in anyone calling himself liberal (or progressive). And worst of all, he defends Trump and the miscreants surrounding Trump. I wouldn't have come to a blog supporting willingly, but was attracted by the critical thinking issues he raised. But something happened to him and he isn't fun to read any more. He is a drag.

    Today's post is a waste of time. People are better off reading Comey's book themselves (something Somerby won't do) and forming their own opinions. Any man or woman has the right to think about whatever they want as they gaze out onto Gettysburg battleground. Mocking his feelings just makes Somerby sound stupid, not Comey. Somerby probably thinks things like "Why aren't more black children brought to these graveyards on school field trips?" or "Why didn't Rachel mention Gettysburg on her last show, insteading of mentioning herself so much?" Monuments and graveyards are supposed to evoke serious thoughts. That's why we create them.

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    2. Sibling at 2:15 PM,

      Take a moment to realize how out of control your preoccupation with Somerby is at this point. Assuming you're not going to to be willing to take a break from the web for a few days, get some sun, and converse with people face to face, how about giving the following a try?

      Find a blog where you can make yourself post a series of positive comments for several days running about the topics under discussion or the commentary there. For sure, you're not doing yourself any favors here in comment thread after comment thread by wallowing in what it is that ails you.

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    3. Anonymous April 21 @ 2:15 PM

      Spot on! Keep up the good work.

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    4. CMike,not sure you'd recognize a positive comment, but how are you so sure I don't write any?

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    5. Can't help it, I'm trolling. Or is it lurking? I'm not sure.

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      Hitchens was good when he was good.

      Leroy

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    6. "Today's post is a waste of time."

      Look who's talking.

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    8. In answer to your question 8:39 PM,

      I guess I don't know if you're out writing positive comments elsewhere. I do know you don't post any of those types of comments here because, whenever I read a submission by an "anonymous" in a thread at the Howler, I always check the time stamp in the byline and none of those which are followed by something positive were posted when you, yourself, clicked "Publish."

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    9. Anonymous on 4/21/18 @2:15P: Somerby doesn't like Stephanie Clifford. Maybe because her lady parts are too big. Hard to tell why since his criticisms don't deal with anything except her lady parts. Way to treat a woman like a person -- if you're going to dislike her and call her a con artist, at least be specific about what she has done, other than choose a profession Somerby can't bring himself to name.

      I’ve gone back and read TDH’s entries about Clifford. Maybe you should do the same. TDH doesn’t like Clifford because she’s a grifter. It’s hard to argue with that characterization, but his real scorn is reserved for the journalists (or “journalists”, if you prefer) who have embraced her as an honest woman who just wants to get an important story out. (It’s those journalists who he says are fascinated by her “lady parts.”)

      Liberals didn’t like it when the various media types hyped Gennifer Flowers’ concocted tales about Clinton. Liberals didn’t like it when John Edwards was indicted on violations of campaign finance laws because he covered up his own adultery. Shouldn’t we have learned by now to treat Clifford’s self-serving stories with some skepticism? Shouldn’t we be opposed to stretching campaign finance laws even if the target is Trump? If we thought that Clinton’s sex life as President was his and his family’s business, why don’t we think the same about Trump’s sex life ten years before he became President?

      These are the questions TDH poses. I can’t find any mention of Clifford's profession or any “retrogressive attitudes” toward women in any of this. Perhaps you can correct my oversights.

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    10. If you went back and read TDH on Clifford you also had the chance to read the comments explaining why Somerby is retrogressive in his attitudes toward women.

      We are in a time when even famous, talented women were being solicited for sex as a precondition for employment as actresses. Trump did the same but Clifford is the grifter? Trump bribed her and extorted a NDA but Clifford is the grifter? And how cute is it of Somerby to keep referring to her huge body parts, as if that makes her incapable of telling the truth.

      Somerby wants all men to be innocent or all to be guilty, all female accusers to be truthful or all lying. These situations are not all the same. Edwards was guilty. Clinton didn't bribe anyone or coverup, and none of his accusers were truthful (Monica never accused him). These are different cases with different facts, involving men and women who behaved differently. Somerby won't see that. He says that if Willey lied, Clifford must be a grifter.

      He didn't mention Clifford's profession because (1), she isn't a player but a collection of huge body parts to Somerby, (2) she is a producer and director of 80+ films with a mansion in the Hollywood hills, not a bimbo, (3) he cannot think of her as a person much less a serious businesswoman. Those are retrogressive attitudes, much like Trump's.

      Extortion, bribery, sexual harassment and assault are not the same as a consensual blowjob among consenting adults. I shouldn't have to explain that to you.

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    11. @deadrat. I'm not Anon 2:15...but aside from there being significant differences between the Flowers and Clifford situations, why should the press suppress information? Should they make common cause with Cohen and Trump to shut Clifford up? Why should they? People should hear the info and judge for themselves.

      Also, there is more here than a potential campaign finance violation.
      And you say the Feds shouldn't "stretch" a campaign finance law. The law is either followed or broken. No in-between. Else it's pointless to have the law.

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    12. CMike will probably consider this not a positive comment, since it is only arguing for fair treatment of women who accuse powerful men of sexual misconduct and other crimes. Probably I'd have to link to Chomsky to be saying anything positive in his mind.

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    13. Did Clifford accuse Trump of sexual misconduct? Who was extorted and bribed?

      Only respond with sources that verify these claims.

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    14. Oh I see. Extorted and bribed are your words to describe the NDA and payment. Lol. You would make a great cable news writer.

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    15. Was she extoring the tabloid she sold the story to for 15k years before? How does that work?

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    16. Can you really not tell the difference between selling and extorting? It would be extortion if she went to the tabloid then told Trump she would sell her story if he didn't pay her. That is not at all what she did. It is however what Trump did to her. He went to her and said, I will pay you if you don't sell your story anywhere and if you don't agree, something bad might happen to you.

      Are you aware that she was offered much more than $130,000 to sell her story to tabloids right before the election? Why would she take the lesser offer if she was such a con artist and was only interested in money?

      How much do you think her house is worth (think millions)? How much does she make for producing, directing or acting in films? Why would she care about $15,000 except as a way to recoup that bad evening when Trump demanded sex and reneged on the business opportunities he was dangling before her (celebrity apprentice)?

      But here's the thing. The story was hers to tell. It was about her experience. Men do not get to tell women what they can and cannot say to people after sex. Just like they don't get to say whether sex occurs at all. That's why this lawsuit is important -- because it is about efforts to control women's behavior, coercion to have sex in the first place and coercion afterward.

      On Trump's side, this is about his modus operandi with women. Stormy isn't the only woman this has happened to. His entire staff has NDA's, which are most likely illegal. Beyond that, he has a permanent fixer on staff to deal with the aftermaths of his sexual encounters. The public should care about that.

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    17. Please provide sources for these claims:

      1. Trump told Daniels if you don't agree, something bad might happen to you.

      2.She was offered much more than $130,000 to sell her story to tabloids right before the election? (I have read articles that claim the exact opposite. Remember at that point, no one thought that Trump would win.)

      3. She owns a house worth over 2 million dollars.

      4. Daniel's accused Trump of sexual misconduct.

      5. Trump extorted Daniels .

      6. Trump's entire staff has NDA's

      Why would she take the lesser offer if she was such a con artist and was only interested in money? Because there were no other offers.

      I would be glad to discuss this with you further, but only with sources.

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    18. ...and so the rich-whore vote is owned by the Ds this year. Hallelujah! I wouldn't expect much in contributions from that constituency, though. Or high turnout...

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    19. Daniels could say whatever she wanted after she banged Trump.

      She has always said it was a consensual. But now you say it was something that was demanded of her. She has admitted that she banged him after he dangled business opportunities in front of her. What kind of person does that? A hustler. A hooker.

      You have no credibility. You never backup your while claims with sources. You don't seem to be sharp or reasonable.

      Daniels could say whatever she wanted after she banged Trump.

      She has always said it was a consensual. But now you say it was something that was demanded of her. She has admitted that she banged him after he dangled business opportunities in front of her. What kind of person does that? A hustler. A hooker.

      You have no credibility. You never backup your while claims with sources. You don't seem to be sharp or reasonable.

      Were you raped? Have you been sexually assualted?

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    21. If you aren't going to watch (or read) any of the interviews, you have no basis for demanding sources from people who have been following this issue.

      Daniels doesn't make the laws about what is consensual and what is coerced. She (and many assault victims) consider what happened to them to be consensual because it is a way of maintaining a sense of control, a way of coping with what happened. If she couldn't decline without making a scene, it isn't affirmative consent.

      She said she met with him to discuss business. He dangled the quid pro quo, not her. She didn't say, "If I sleep with you will you put me on TV?" She came out of the bathroom and he was sitting on the bed unclothed. What kind of person does that? A sexual predator.

      Daniels didn't take money from Trump. She was not a hooker.

      You have the same access to her interviews as I do. Don't make me do your homework.

      And then you add the finishing touch by asking whether this is personal to me? It is personal to ALL women, you jerk. Should I ask you, "Are you a rapist, have you committed assault yourself?" Did I do that?

      I don't need credibility. The courts are going to decide this. Trump coerces women using power and money because he cannot relate to any other human being, being a sociopath utterly lacking in empathy and uninterested in anyone but himself. Those characteristics don't appeal to women. I wouldn't use him as your role model.

      Her name is Stephanie Clifford, by the way.

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    22. Anonymous on 4/22/18 @10:00A,

      Anonymous on 4/21/18 @2:15P said that TDH wasn’t specific about Clifford’s actions except for choosing a profession that TDH won’t name. But I can’t find any reference by TDH to Clifford’s profession. Perhaps I missed i, but you seem to have come to the same conclusion.
      But you have also concluded that you know Somerby’s interiority: He wants all men to be innocent or guilty, he wants all women to be truthful or liars, Clifford is a collection of body parts to him, he cannot think of Clifford as a businesswoman. You can’t know any of that, so why not stick to what he actually writes as TDH?

      There’s no evidence that Trump made sex a precondition for Clifford’s employment. Clifford didn’t need Trump, and she was in no way beholden to him. So much for sexual harassment. There is no evidence that Trump (or Cohen, if you believe his story) “extorted” an NDA from Clifford. An NDA is not bribery, which is a crime involving public officials. There’s no evidence of assault, just a claim of a threat (and a sketch!) from seven years ago. Was Clifford threatened? I, like you and TDH, don’t know.

      So it doesn’t seem that I’m the one who needs a lesson on extortion, bribery, sexual harassment and assault. But thanks for the condescension.

      Edwards wasn’t guilty of anything. He was acquitted of one of four felony counts. The jury couldn’t agree on the other three, and the gov declined to retry him.

      Clifford took a private and by her own account consensual sexual encounter and played a tabloid story about the incident to get a hush payment from her partner (or her partner’s lawyer, if you’re extremely gullible). This is practically a textbook example of a grift. That Trump is also a grifter doesn’t change that.

      TDH doesn’t say that if Willey lied, Clifford must have lied. He says that Willey is an object lesson in being careful about the claims of grifters.

      I think that about covers it.
      You are a very confused person.

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    23. You made all the following claims. I have read the interviews. I have researched it and you cannot back any of them up.

      Therefore, you're full of shit .

      You're overstating, misreading and projecting. You're boring.and stupid.

      This issue is most certainly not personal to all women. You are acting like an idiotic teenage girl.

      1. Trump told Daniels if you don't agree, something bad might happen to you.

      Show me the proof.

      2.She was offered much more than $130,000 to sell her story to tabloids right before the election.

      You cannot back up this claim.

      3. She owns a house worth over 2 million dollars.

      Show me.

      4. Daniel's accused Trump of sexual misconduct.

      They mutually fucked. They both got something out of the deal.

      5. Trump extorted Daniels .

      Please show me where this accusation has been made and proven.




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    24. There are facts in this case that will come to light if there is a trial. Meanwhile, you, deadrat and Somerby are assuming Clifford is a grifter. There is no basis for that. You are siding with a known liar with numerous accusers. That is bias. So do the things you have said about Clifford. You have no proof whatsoever of Trump or Cohen's innocence either. You just prefer their ugly company. Ask yourselves why.

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    25. Anonymous on 4/22/18 @10:01A,

      You say, “The law is either followed or broken. No in-between. Else it's pointless to have the law.” Assuming you’re serious, I’ll chalk this up to a bad case of the idiopathic dumbs. Don’t worry; it happens to everyone, not least of all me. While you’re considering disowning your statement, I’ll prompt you with a few questions.

      One of the talking points of the rightards in the House was that Comey was wrong about not indicting Clinton for mishandling national security info because she lacked criminal intent. The rightards are correct that the statute in question doesn’t require intent. Are you in favor of indicting Clinton?

      Are you disappointed that legal resident aliens can no longer be deported for committing crimes that involve a substantial risk of physical force?

      Do you think that Bill Clinton should have been tried for perjury?

      Remember the St Louis mother who helped her daughter bully online another girl, who subsequently committed suicide? Are you disappointed that the mother’s conviction for federal computer crime was reversed on appeal?

      After all, the law’s the law, right? No grey areas, no in-between.

      Would you like a lecture on legal vagueness and due process? How about a talk about prosecutorial over-reach? You know how I love the sound of my own voice. Just let me know.

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    26. Anonymous on April 22, 2018 at 6:10 PM, You say, “Daniels doesn't make the laws about what is consensual and what is coerced.” This is a rather odd statement. Of course, she doesn’t. Legislatures make the laws. I assume you mean something like “the law recognizes circumstances in which stated consent may be ignored or retracted.” Minors and those who have been denied legal autonomy cannot give legal consent, no matter what they say or do. Those who are incapacitated or coerced may retract their nominal consent. But I know of no circumstances in which the state independently overrides the claim of consent by someone possessed of legal agency. If I misunderstood what you’re saying, I apologize. I’m not a lawyer, so you may have information to show I’m incorrect.

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    27. Sorry deadrat, I live in CA where the law requires affirmative consent, not sumply Trump's assumption that there would be sex and Clifford's disinclination to argue with him about it. She may consider that consensual but the law wiuldn't necessarily. It is akin to "I shouldn't have gone to his room..." which is also not considered consent. In any case Clifford's belief doesn't define whether consent existed under the law. People may not know what the law is. If she didn't want to have sex but felt she had no choice, that is not consent under CA law.

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    28. Anonymous on April 22, 2018 at 7:34 PM:

      There are facts in this case that will come to light if there is a trial.
      Possibly. If you mean Clifford’s action to cancel her NDA, then those facts won’t likely concern anything other than the enforceability of the terms of the NDA. In any case, you can’t use these “facts” to bolster your claims until they’re known.

      Meanwhile, you, deadrat and Somerby are assuming Clifford is a grifter. There is no basis for that.
      I’m not assuming she’s a grifter. Her actions make her a grifter. By definition. She used a private, consensual (by her own description) sexual encounter to make money from her sex partner. I don’t think she did anything illegal, and I’d say she earned her money. But that’s a grift.

      You are siding with a known liar with numerous accusers. That is bias.
      Not “siding” with Clifford isn’t siding with Trump.

      So do the things you have said about Clifford. You have no proof whatsoever of Trump or Cohen's innocence either.
      What have I said about Clifford other than the obvious fact that she’s a grifter.? I don’t take grifters at their word. Was she threatened by the man she sketched? Maybe so; maybe not. For what it’s worth, I don’t believe Trump’s claim that he didn’t know about the NDA. But Trump’s guilt or innocence doesn’t matter for my judgment about Clifford’s claims. Those stand or fall based on evidence independent of Trump’s character.

      You just prefer their ugly company.
      I don’t run in Trump’s crowd, so I’m not likely to be saddled with their company. I don’t run in Clifford’s either, although I’m sure I’d enjoy her presence more than Trump’s. At least she’s not a traitor.

      Ask yourselves why.
      Ask yourself why you can’t understand that Trump’s venality doesn’t exclude Clifford’s.

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    29. 7:34 you're an idiot. Thise are not " facts" *until* they come to light. Until then, they're unfounded speculations and you're totally irresponsible and wayward in presentating them as factual claims.

      You hurt your case and look like a fool doing so. You should reign in your emotion and hold back on making those bold claims until they're proven! You make yourself look really bad by jumping the gun like that.


      I don't have proof of Trump's innocence no. But that's why I haven't made any claims about it dummy! Do you see how this works?

      As far as I have seen, Somerby has suggested that we liberals consider that she may be a grifter. I'm not saying she is. But I'm saying she may be. It's something that should be considered. You have stupidly made her into some feminist hero based on speculation and not facts. It's your business if you don't want to consider it and present speculations as facts. That's your business. To me, it shows why it's important that Somerby writes the things he does. I don't like his tone either but he's trying to prevent people like you from acting so foolish and rash.

      I know you're just a citizen and not a broadcaster so it's not that big a deal. But you can see how some broadcasters and writers somewhere have played you for a fool. Because you certainly act like one every single day.

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    30. Anonymous April 22, 2018 at 8:29 PM,

      You write, “She [Clifford] may consider that consensual but the law wiuldn't [sic] necessarily.”

      I don’t practice not being a lawyer in California, but I’m still willing to bet that as long as Clifford had legal agency, then her consideration would be dispositive under California law. That is, suppose Clifford said, “Look, I’ve had a lot of practice controlling my gag reflex, so I agreed to have sex with Trump in the hopes he could get me work on his reality TV show. The experience was more disgusting than anything I did to win AVN’s Best Supporting Actress award for my role in Camp Cuddly Pines Powertool Massacre, but the sex was consensual.” In that case, no state authority could prosecute Trump for rape.

      It’s true that the law doesn’t treat acquiescence in the face of coercion as consent. But that requires the coerced party to say, “I had to say yes to save my life, my physical well being, or my career.” Absent that, the law isn’t going to step in and say, “You might have thought you consented, but we know better.”

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    31. Remember when deadrat essentially typed text from a physics 101 textbook and then acted like someone knowledgable about physics. Based on that nonsense I say deadrat is a type of grifter, in addition to deadrat's endless parsing of mere discussion as if it were legal testimony, in addition to deadrat's endless whining that has the sole goal of ego-stroking because it certainly adds nothing of value to the discourse...come on crybaby deadrat boohoo let's hear your faux whine...

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    32. Just because you didn't understand the physics is no reason to say mean things about me. That could hurt my feelings.

      If I had any.

      As for adding value, that bar is sufficiently low as long as Mao posts here. And you. Why not check out those spells that posters tout here? Maybe you'll find one that will enable you to follow the "discourse."

      Worth a try, no?

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    33. It is of absolutely no consequence whether Stormy is a grifter or not. Nothing turns on who wins that argument. That said, there is nothing compelling about comments here that attempt to indict Stormy as a petty swindler with reference to Trump. Those comments seem rather petty themselves. One commenter laughably in a couple sentences claimed both Stormy as a grifter and yet she also earned the money (that she grifted?). Also laughably Bob thinks journalists are entranced by Stormy's sexuality (hello, the internet). Bob has referenced Stormy as a "transparently disordered porn star" amongst other things.

      Nothing needs to be stretched:

      How the Stormy Daniels payment may have violated election law

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    34. You are so sensitive dead-rat, not always a bad thing. Clearly your understanding of physics is quite limited; however, that is not the issue.

      You feel it necessary to share with everyone that your feelings could be hurt but that you apparently do not have them. That sounds like Maddow (I, I, I), if she were 5. Nobody here cares about your feelings (we are strangers), or your thoughts on your feelings (we are not your therapist), yet you insist on documenting them. Ok fine but it does betray your adolescent claims.

      You offer a dig at Mao, perhaps to hurt his feelings. Not so much Maddow now, more Trump, any age.

      The spells offered here do not make claims about enabling one to follow discourse. That you added quotation marks to the word, made all of Bob's interns howl with laughter, someone said.

      I have in essence cast a (harmless) spell on you deadrat, time will tell, but I believe it is working.

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    35. I’ll take your word that the spells offered here don’t include ones that would enable you to follow the discourse.

      A pity.

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    36. You will do more than take my word. You are now under my influence, and it was so easy.

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    37. Anonymous on April 23, 2018 at 3:30 AM

      It is of absolutely no consequence whether Stormy is a grifter or not. Nothing turns on who wins that argument.

      It is no consequence that Clifford is a grifter. Her grifting won’t affect whether or not her NDA is unenforceable. That will turn on the law and the actions of the parties under the agreement. Her grifting won’t affect whether or not she was threatened by the man in the drawing. While we’re waiting to learn about these results, TDH warns us that grifters have been known to lie. So it might be advisable to withhold judgment until we find out. Of course, YMMV.

      One commenter laughably in a couple sentences claimed both Stormy as a grifter and yet she also earned the money

      That was me, but fercryanoutloud, don’t go all literal-minded on me. I meant that sex with Trump seems so repulsive a chore that $130K hardly seems enough compensation. Do I really have to explain matters like this? Obviously, I’m willing to do that as a public service, but it takes the fun out of things.

      Thanks for the link to the WaPo article. Sure, the Stormy payment might have violated election law, but the article notes that it’s unlikely to go to trial. If the gov couldn’t get Edwards on a more straightforward case, they’re unlikely to go after Cohen or Trump on this one.

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    38. Whoa, trouble in dembot paradise; a fiery controversy over rich whore's victimhood.

      Alas, until clear talking points are distributed by Lib-Zombie Central Committee, we won't be able to ascertain which ones here are useful idiots and Putin's agents. Although I strongly suspect it's the doubters of rich whore's sainthood status.

      Developing...

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    39. " so the rich-whore vote is owned by the Ds this year. "
      The Russian bot is a commie too?
      Or, more likely, just a typical Conservative who hates capitalism when women, minorities, and gays do it.

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    40. Ah, I see: sucking strangers dicks is the dembots' idea of capitalism. Thanks, it's worth knowing.

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    41. "sucking strangers dicks is the dembots' idea of capitalism."

      Sorry. I didn't realize you knew Trump personally. Wiggle your ears, Mao, Trump's thighs are itchy.

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    42. Does Mao only metaphorically suck Trump's dick?

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    43. Whoa, so this what gets dembots excited. Good to know.

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    44. As non-Conservatives, we don't get excited by white supremacy, but we still find things to keep a spring in our steps.

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  5. CAREFUL TO ^SATA-N-AZIST^ ASSASSIN WHORE MONICA KOWAL FROM UNM, UNIVERSITY OF MEXICO. SHE USED TO DO PORNFILMS DRINKING CUM OF PIGS, DOGS AND DONKEYS! NOW,TO SURVIVE, NOW, SHE ALWS SUCKS FLACCID, HALF DEATH DICK FROM DONALD TRUMP ALIAS DONAZISTRUMP. WHO IS.......NOT FOR NOTHING..... JUST A MIX OF PIG, DOG AND DONKEY! NOTHING CHANGED FIN HER CRIMINAL LIFE!
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    CAREFUL TO ASSASSIN NAZIST MONICA KOWAL OF UNIVERSITY OF NEW MEXICO https://gsefordham.wordpress.com/tag/monica-kowal/
    CAREFUL TO MAFIOSA AND MAFIA MONEY LAUNDERER MONICA KOWAL OF UNIVERSITY OF NEW MEXICO https://gsefordham.wordpress.com/tag/monica-kowal/
    CAREFUL TO RACIST KUKLUKLANIST MONICA KOWAL OF UNIVERSITY OF NEW MEXICO https://gsefordham.wordpress.com/tag/monica-kowal/
    CAREFUL TO HITLERIAN KILLER MONICA KOWAL OF UNIVERSITY OF NEW MEXICO https://gsefordham.wordpress.com/tag/monica-kowal/
    ALIAS NEW ILSE KOCK OF WWW: WORLDWIDE WEB!
    THE REALITY IS ONLY THAT YOU, PORN BITCH DRINKER OF CUM OF PIGS, DOGS AND DONKEYS, MONICA KOWAL, ARE A SHITTY MAFIOSA AND NAZIST ASSASSIN! STINKY SHITTY WHORE MONICA KOWAL OF UNIVERSITY OF NEW MEXICO . WHEN YOU WERE MAKING PORN FILMS, YOU USED TO DRINK CUM OF PIGS, DOGS AND DONKEYS. NOW, TO SURVIVE, YOU DRINK THE URINE ( SINCE THERE IS NOT MORE CUM THERE) FROM NAZIST AND MAFIOSO ASSASSIN LIKE YOU: DONALD "DONAZISTRUMP" TRUMP. WHO IS A MIX OF PIG, DOG AND DONKEY! NOTHING REALLY CHANGED AT ALL! I HAVE NEVER BEEN ANTI AMERICAN IN MY LIFE. IF ANYTHING THE OPPOSITE. BUT THIS BASTARD, HITLERIAN, NAZIST, ACTUALLY, DONAZIST USA OF SHITTY PEDOPHILE DONALD TRUMP ( AND HIS BASTARD MURDERERS WITH TIES OF STINKY, BLOODTHISRTY, DICTATORIAL, CONSPIRING ANTI DEMOCRATIC, EXCLUDING, ANTI MERITOCRATIC, PEDOPHILES OF FREEMASONRY, ROTARY, LIONS CLUBS AND ILLUMINATI "WITH ALL LIGHT BURNT OUT BULBS") REMINDS TOO MUCH, KUKLUKLLANIST AND MACCARTIST ONE. SO, FROM NOW ON, AMERICANS LIKE YOU, I WILL CALL THEM AMERI-CANI!!! FUCK OFF DONAZISTRUMP'S USA, FUCK OFF, FUCK YOU. I HATE THIS KIND OF DONAZISTRUMP'S VERY HITLERIAN USA. I HOPE GOD WILL DISINTEGRATE YOU WITH ANOTHER PROPER IMMENSE METEOR, SHITTY FASCIST, MAFIOSI, KILLING COWBOYS OF THIS BIG, ENORMOUS, EFFICIENT, WINNING, MAKING HISTORY DICK OF MINE!

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    FILTHY ^SATA-N-AZIST^ BITCH MONICA KOWAL OF UNM UNIVERSITY OF MEXICO
    YOU ARE A STINKY SHITTY KILLING PROSTITUTE OF WELL KNOWN
    - PEDOPHILE DONALD TRUMP http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1186857-donald-trump
    - MAFIOSO AND MAFIA MONEY LAUNDERER DONALD TRUMP http://time.com/5109253/trump-organization-money-laundering-russians-russia/
    - MEGA COCAINE TAKER DONALD TRUMP https://bullshit.ist/white-house-sources-say-president-trumps-cocaine-habit-is-out-of-control-e2be4fa4da6d
    - NAZIFASCIST DONALD TRUMP https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/15/the-president-of-the-united-states-is-now-a-neo-nazi-sympathiser
    https://newrepublic.com/minutes/124205/yes-donald-trump-fascist
    - RACIST DONALD TRUMP http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-trump-racism-remarks-20180111-htmlstory.html
    - KU KLUK KLANIST DONALD TRUMP https://www.thenation.com/article/the-trump-familys-history-with-the-kkk/
    - MEGA LIAR DONALD TRUMP http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-white-house-liar-us-president-dishonest-history-richard-nixon-robert-dallek-oval-offic-a8073036.html
    - IMMENSE CHEATER DONALD TRUMP
    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/jan/30/donald-trump-golf-cheat-suzann-pettersen
    - BLOODTHIRSY ASSASSIN DONALD TRUMP https://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/23/politics/donald-trump-shoot-somebody-support/index.html

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    WHO IS JUST A CHOLERIC SUPER CRIMINAL PHOTOCOPY OF MEGA NAZIST SILVIO BERLUSCONI (PER SEMPRE FUORI DAI COGLIONI)
    http://deverdaddigital.com/articulo/7295/la-ley-fascista-de-berlusconi
    MAFIOSO SILVIO BERLUSCONI (PER SEMPRE FUORI DAI COGLIONI)
    http://www.abc.es/internacional/20140724/abci-berlusconi-sexo-dinero-201407231647.html
    MAFIA MONEY LAUNDERER SILVIO BERLUSCONI (PER SEMPRE FUORI DAI COGLIONI)
    http://www.agoravox.it/PROCESSO-DELL-UTRI-Mio-fratello.html
    MEGA PRINCIPAL OF HOMICIDES AND SLAUGHTERS, MASS MURDERER OF MAGISTRATES, SILVIO BERLUSCONI (PER SEMPRE FUORI DAI COGLIONI)
    https://it-it.facebook.com/FALCONE-E-BORSELLINO-UCCISI-DA-BERLUSCONI-134602469910010/
    BASTARD ALWAYS LIAR SILVIO BERLUSCONI (PER SEMPRE FUORI DAI COGLIONI)
    http://www.romanoprodi.it/comunicati/berlusconi-ancora-una-volta-bugiardo_819.html
    IMMENSE PIECE OF SHIT, MEGA MEGA CHEATER SILVIO BERLUSCONI (PER SEMPRE FUORI DAI COGLIONI)
    http://www.askanews.it/politica/2018/01/19/di-maio-berlusconi-truffatore-politico-fa-stesse-promesse-94-pn_20180119_00060/
    WORST CRIMINAL OF THE WORLD AND OF ALL THE TIMES " WHILE WEARING A TIE", SILVIO BERLUSCONI (PER SEMPRE FUORI DAI COGLIONI)
    http://www.repubblica.it/politica/1998/07/18/news/berlusconi_criminale_un_peso_per_l_italia-24583668/
    PERVERT, DEPRAVED PEDOPHILE SILVIO BERLUSCONI (PER SEMPRE FUORI DAI COGLIONI)
    https://www.huffingtonpost.it/2015/03/26/intervista-gianni-boncompagni_n_6945522.html
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    ARE YOU A NAZIST, MAFIOSA LESBIAN WHO LEAKS THE PUSSY TO THE HITLERIAN GINA HASPEL, NEW ADOLPHINA HITLER OF CIA? I DONT' KNOW BOUT THAT ( BUT I THINK SO, AT.. LETS' SAY... 99,999999999999999999 %). CERTAINLY YOU ARE A STOMACH-TURNING NAZIFASCIST BITCH, SHITTY MONICA KOWAL ( WHO WE WILL MAKE VERY FAMOUS TO BE NEW ILSE KOCK OF THE WEB https://gsefordham.wordpress.com/tag/monica-kowal/ = https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilse_Koch ). GO TO SUCK POWERLESS DONAZISTRUMP'S COCK, NOW, SHITTY ILSE KOCK OF THE WEB. AND FUCK OFF FOREVER. COME AND KILL US, BASTARD NAZIST NEW ILSE KOCK, ALIAS MONICA KOWAL, BUT NEVER AND EVER THINK TO KILL DEMOCRACY, FREEDOM OF EXPRESSIONS, FIGHTS TO FREE OUR COUNTRY FROM YOUR BASTARD CORRUPTOR: MAFIOSO, MAFIA MONEY LAUNDERER, NAZIFASCIST DICTATOR, LIAR, CHEATER, PEDOPHILE, MEGA MEGA MEGA ASSASSIN SILVIO BERLUSCONI ( PER SEMPRE FUORI DAI COGLIONI)! ALSO ASSASSIN OF OUR RELATIVES AND NEARLY OF OURSELVES TOO ( ANYWAY ASSASSIN OF BIG PART OF OUR LIFES AND JUST CAUSE WE HAVE NEVER ACCEPTED TO BE HIS BRAINLESS SLAVES, LIKE HIS BITCHES, VERY OFTEN UNDER AGE BITCHES, WHO ARE JUST PHOTOCOPY OF YOU, STINKY SHITTY WHORE MONICA KOWAL OF UNM). COME AND KILL US, BASTARD NAZIST NEW ILSE KOCK, ALIAS MONICA KOWAL, BUT NEVER AND EVER THINK TO KILL DEMOCRACY, FREEDOM OF EXPRESSIONS, FIGHTS TO FREE OUR COUNTRY FROM YOUR BASTARD PRINCIPAL OF MURDERS AND SLAUGHTERS SILVIO BERLUSCONI. COME AND KILL US, BASTARD NAZIST NEW ILSE KOCK, ALIAS MONICA KOWAL, BUT NEVER AND EVER THINK TO KILL DEMOCRACY, FREEDOM OF EXPRESSIONS, FIGHTS TO FREE OUR COUNTRY FROM YOUR NAZIST, MAFIOSO, MAFIA MONEY LAUNDERER SILVIO BERLUSCONI! HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE, STINKY NAZIST AND KILLER MONICA KOWAL. NEW ILSE KOCK OF UNIVERSITY OF NEW MEXICO.

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    AND I HAVE NEVER VOTED LEFT. I AM NOT COMMUNIST. BUT WHEN I SEE BASTARD RACIST, HITLERIAN, MANIPULATIVE, DISHONEST, ANTIDEMOCRATIC TONGUES CUTTER LIKE YOU, BE SURE, I USUALLY BRING OUT THE VERY VERY BERY BEST OF ME ALL THE TIMES! AND YOU'LL SEE IT REAL SOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FUCK OF DONAZISTRUM'S USA, FUCK YOU, FUCK OFF, LAND OF NAZISM, I HOPE GOD WILL CANCEL YOU WITH AN ENORMOUS METEOR, FUCK YOUUUUU!
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    YOU BRAY, YOU GRUNT, YOU SQUAWK THAT DONALD TRUMP IS THE NEW DUX OF THE WORLD, IS NEW ADOLPH HITLER ON EARTH, SO CAN USE FBI LIKE A COVEN OF MUPPETS. MANIPULATING EVTG, GTG KILLED WHO DOES NOT STAY UNDER HIS NAZIST AND MAFIOSE SOLES, PROMOTING, INSTEAD, HIS BRAINLESS AND INVERTEBRATE SLAVES AND BITCHES (LIKE YA). YOU DID NOT NEED TO BRAY, GRUNT, SQUAWK THAT AT ALL. NOTHING IS MORE EVIDENT THAN THAT IN THIS WORLD. ALL YOU STINKY NAZIRACIST KUKLUKKLANIST, EITHER HAVE CHIEFS OF FBI, CIA, SEC, WTVR YOU WANT, UNDER YOUR ASSASSIN SHOES, EITHER YOU FIRE THEM.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/donald-trump-control-us-justice-system-hillary-clinton-fair-trial-reminds-me-of-adolf-hitler-nazi-a8059031.html
    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/this_week_in_trump/2017/05/under_investigation_trump_fired_fbi_chief_james_comey.html
    https://news.sky.com/story/did-trump-fire-fbi-chief-to-cover-up-russia-10870950
    https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/5/23/15680508/firing-fbi-directors-comey-trump-hoover-sessions
    WOW, WHAT A COINDICENCE: MEGA ASSASSIN DICTATORS LIKE YOU, ALIAS ADOLPH HITER, BENITO MUSSOLINI, ALFREDO STROESSNER, FRANCISCO FRANCO, AUGUSTO PINOCHET, POL POT, NICOLAE CEAUSESCU USED TO DO EXACTLY THE SAME. WOW, WHAT AN INTERESTING COINCIDENCE, WOOOOOOW! FUCK YOU, NAZIST ASSASSIN MONICA KOWAL FROM UNM UNIVERSITY OF NEW MEXICO, YOU ARE NEW ILSE KOCK OF THE WEB. GO TO SUCK DONALD "DONAZISTRUMP" POWERLESS COCK, NEW ILSE COCK OF WEB: MONICA KOWAL FROM UNM, UNIVERSITY OF NEW MEXICO! AND FUCK YOURSLF MUCH MORE TOO, SO YOU MAY RELAX A BIT, KILLING, HITLERIAN, MAFIOSA BITCH OF NEW COSA NOSTRA'S AND NEW GHESTAPO'S OF WEB. WHO DREAMS TO INTIMIDATE US ( YOU MAY INTIMIDATE MEGA BITCH OF YOUR MOTHER, YOU MAY INTIMIDATE MEGA PEDOPHILE OF YOUR FATHER, YOU MAY INTIMIDATE MEGA BITCH OF YOUR DAUGHTER, YOU MAY INTIMIDATE MEGA PEDERAST OF YOUR SON, BUT BE SUPER SUPER SUPER EXTRA SURE: NEVER US AT ALL... AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IMMEDIATELY)!
    PS
    WE DID NOT WANT TO WRITE ANYTHING ANYMORE ABOYT YOU, HAVING ALREADY HEAVILY BEATEN YOU, WON YOU, GIVEN YOU A VERY DUE LESSON OF DEMOCRACY AND FREEDOM OF EXPRESSING AND SHOWING TALENTS. BUT SINCE YOU MOVE YOUR GHESTAPO'S, OVRA'S, DINA'S VICIOUS AGENTS TO PROVOKE US AND TO (TRY TO) INTIMIDATE US ON THE STREETS OF MANY COUNTRIES OF DIFFERENT CONTINENTS OF THE WORLD, NOW YES, WE'LL WRITE BOUTCHAAA DAYS AND NIGHTS, NIGHTS AND DAYS DAYS AND NIGHTS, NIGHTS AND DAYS. " 422 DAYS A YEAR, 35 DAYS A MONTH, 26 HOURS A DAY". WAIT AND SEE, STINKY COCKSUCKER OF MEGA COCAINE TAKER, NAZIST, MAFIOSO, ASSASSIN, PEDOPHILE DONALD TRUMP ALIAS DONAZISTRUMP. STINKY COCKSUCKER OF MEGA COCAINE TAKER, NAZIST, MAFIOSO, ASSASSIN, PEDOPHILE SILVIO BERLUSCONI. COCKSUCKER OF OF MEGA COCAINE TAKER, NAZIST, MAFIOSO, ASSASSIN, PEDERAST, WELL KNOWN CRIMINAL PAOLO BARRAI BORN IN MILAN ON 28.6.1965, FAMOUS ALL OVER THE WORLD AS "IL PERICOLOSISSIMO PEDOFILO DEL BITCOIN"!

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  11. "What actually happened in 2016, during that year's White House campaign?"

    Here's what happened. In early October rumors started flying about Weiner's laptop; rumors based on "NYPD sources".

    Comey, the Clinton mafia consigliere, needed to stop the rumors, and to get the laptop and erase whatever "damning criminal information" was there.

    The only way to get the laptop (evidence in an unrelated case) was to reopen the investigation and get a warrant.

    Since it was obvious that the reopening would leak out anyway, Comey and other Clinton handlers concocted this plan: to get ahead of the leaks by announcing it, and then, still before the election, to announce that there's nothing there. The best possible solution to the problem, plus a victimhood play, to motivate lib-zombies.

    And this is exactly what they did. It's quite obvious.

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    1. Mao thinks that because Trump has a consigliere everyone does.

      If there was bad stuff on that laptop, why didn't Huma just erase it?

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    2. The alleged "bad stuff" doesn't really matter. That Weiner's laptop had Clinton emails on it is not a controversy, it's a fact.

      Comey had to reopen the investigation. To get a warrant. To request the laptop officially, preserving the chain of custody, and all that.

      With a whole bunch of people involved, the information would've definitely leaked. Very bad deal for the Clintonites.

      By officially announcing the reopening of the investigation, Comey (and Clinton's handlers) created the opportunity to officially announce later (still before the election) that nothing was found on the laptop. Plus the victimhood. It's perfectly simple and logical.

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    3. Just because something seems logical to you, doesn't make it true.

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    4. And like all the alleged "bad stuff" about Hillary, it turned out there was absolutely nothing to it.

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    5. You don't know that. Peter Strzok was checking out the laptop, and, knowing what we know about this character, no reasonable person on this planet would trust his assertions.

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    6. "...knowing what we know about this character, no reasonable person on this planet would trust his assertions."

      "There was no collusion."
      Donald J. Trump

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    7. Working overtime on a Sunday Mao ? Is it an unpleasant day in St. Petersburg ?

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  12. How long before that first Fox News appearance Bob?.....

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  13. The right these days is not about advancing conservative policies but about trolling the left, says Amanda Marcotte in Salon. That puts our local trolls into a different light.

    Somerby seems to be trolling the left himself in his recent posts. It is probably time to start judging him by his actions and not by his past credentials as a supporter of Gore (he doesn't seem to have liked Clinton much). If he is liberal, as he claims, he needs to start demonstrating it. And supporting Bernie doesn't count, for obvious reasons.

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  14. If he is liberal, as he claims, he needs to start demonstrating it.

    Or what, 11:29 AM?

    You're a proud groupie in the "cry crocodile tears for the victims of white male privilege while offering up more market based solutions and more war" wing of the Democratic party. Somerby's credentials as a New Deal/Great Society liberal would be suspect if he wasn't offending you.

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    1. Or you get more people like Trump elected. Isn't that obvious?

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    2. I like this post by Bob. Speaking of liberals, which is to me a contentious term, I ran across this piece , on Salon of all places. Mostlty a wasteland is that site. But you can glean gems at times.

      Leroy

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    3. " ... you can glean gems at times."

      This piece of garbage isn't one of them.

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    4. Voters who believe and act as if their only choices can be between bad and worse have been an essential cause for the steadily disappearing role democracy plays in governing our affairs.

      Should the Democrats, the opposition party in our two party system, elect some actual left of center legislators in 2018 and an actual left of center candidate for president in 2020, four years of Trump instead of Clinton will have come at an acceptable price.

      As for lives devastated in the meantime, that many and more were going to face ruin under the heel of some other, and no doubt more competent, right-winger's regime after 2020, following a Hillary "they're so unfair to me, me, me" Clinton presidency.

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    5. 'Somerby's credentials as a New Deal/Great Society liberal would be suspect if he wasn't offending you.'

      Somerby spends all his time attacking liberals, defending Trump and defending Moore. He is a Trumptard. And those who claim there is no difference between Trump and Clinton are equally Trump enablers are equally morons.

      Somerby is acting as a useful idiot for Trump. But he lacks the audience to be really useful, so it would be better to call him a useless idiot instead

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    6. 9:13 PM,

      You spend your time following and are emotionally invested in running down someone whom you describe as a "useless idiot." What does that make you?

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    7. Leroy,

      I posted my 8:48 PM comment before I saw yours from 8:31 PM. Had I read the article at your link, it would have saved me the trouble of writing down what I ended up posting. Thanks. (In the future, just to aggravate one particular Howler thread junkie, please copy and past a couple of paragraphs here from whatever article you link to in one of your comments.)

      I'm curious, did you make your way to that Dissident Voice article from a link in a Salon article -in which case do you have a link to it- or did you find it in a comment there?

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    8. Cmike's logic about voting is not compelling.

      Some of Trump's foreign and environmental policies may not be impossible to correct in a somewhat timely manner; however, the now extremely conservative Supreme Court and the huge tax cuts for the rich and corporations are likely to remain for a long time, and that is pretty bad.

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    9. CMike, I spend maybe 30 min a week taking a quick glance at Somerby's latest babbling 'Liberals bad. Maddow Evil. Must defend Trump. Must defend Roy Moore' and to raise my BP (I suffer from low BP, so raising my BP is actually good).

      Tell us again how there's no difference between Trump and Clinton when even Somerby, in his occasional sane moments says that it's dangerous to have Trump's hand on the nuclear button.

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    10. Most importantly to CMike, and his fellow white males, is that they can withstand the Trump Presidency, for however long it takes to get their Mother, oops, I mean perfect candidate, elected President of the United States.

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    11. Cmike, that came from the comment section. The link was offered in reply to someone named Basho, who was commenting on this piece , and with whom I had a nitpick, but I was glad for his post, as it resulted in a reply from Aunti Warr. Great homonym! And Truscott is an interesting writer, even though he indulges a bit too much in the Trump hysteria at times. But that’s what Salon pays him for, I suppose.

      And I’m embarrassed to say that I didn’t thank that person for the excellent link, so I will. Better late than never.

      Leroy

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    12. Also, your suggestion of posting a couple of paragraphs from (any) link is well taken. It might help to lessen knee-jerk responses from people who aren’t able to read past the headline.

      Leroy

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    13. I like this:

      "Should the Democrats, the opposition party in our two party system, elect some actual left of center legislators in 2018 and an actual left of center candidate for president in 2020, four years of Trump instead of Clinton will have come at an acceptable price."

      Better late than never.

      Leroy

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    14. 10:30 AM writes:

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      Tell us again how there's no difference between Trump and Clinton...
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      It's ridiculous to discuss something with you, I didn't say there was no difference between Trump and Clinton, that's a straw man you've stuffed. I ought to leave the two of you to yourselves see which one of you ends up making more sense.

      As for what I think, go back to my 8:48 PM comment in this very thread. I wrote:

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      Should the Democrats, the opposition party in our two party system, elect some actual left of center legislators in 2018 and an actual left of center candidate for president in 2020, four years of Trump instead of Clinton will have come at an acceptable price.

      As for lives devastated in the meantime, that many and more were going to face ruin under the heel of some other, and no doubt more competent, right-winger's regime after 2020,
      following a Hillary "they're so unfair to me, me, me" Clinton presidency.

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      Quite clearly I was saying there would be differences between a Trump and a Clinton presidency. Think what it says about you, 10:30 AM, that you went this dishonest route, a typical one for a political groupie to take. When you can't take on the arguments you're confronted with, you make up arguments you think you can handle and half way have a go at them.

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    15. CMike, let me put it simply

      How would you characterize someone who spends almost all his time attacking liberals, mocking liberals, defending Trump and defending other scumbags like Roy Moore ? And what if that person pretends to comment on the media, but ignore the right wing news mied. a

      Either than person is a Trumptard, or is such an idiot that he doesn't realize that he is hurting the cause of the anti-Trump crowd ?

      That describes Somerby very well. As far as I'm concerned he seems to want liberals to lose for whatever perverse reason, so he is no liberal.

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    16. A lot of us, though not you 1:11 PM and your crowd, are concerned about the results from the take over of the Democratic party leadership by corporate sponsored neoliberals who have displaced New Deal/Great Society liberals(/social democrats) from the former positions of power which they had held since the 1930 midterm elections. We, along with Somerby but not you, are concerned about the takeover of the MainStreamMedia (including its MSNBC component) by these same forces, an MSM which now broadcasts and posts the same neoliberal approved messages almost exclusively.

      You can trace the rise of this ideological coup to the strategies to take over the media which were first employed by Scaife in 60s, in the wake of the Goldwater defeat, and which became widely supported among the rich on the right after the 1971 Lewis Powell Memo. Meanwhile, David Rockefeller stepped up to finance a complement to this strategy through his Trilateral Commission with its "Crisis in Democracy" project. That project proved itself highly successful in enlisting or, at least, in confusing the so-called liberal intelligentsia and political figures of American politics and in installing its earliest in-group in positions of power throughout the Carter administration. Carter, himself, was a member of Rockefeller's Trilateral Commission.

      Certainly after the rise of the role of right wing think tanks in the seventies and since the appointments, first of Paul Volcker and then Alan Greenspan, as Fed chairmen, with their control government sponsored research in the field of economics, the career prospects in economics dimmed for nearly everyone spouting other than laissez faire or neoliberal economics. (Krugman did not get his column at the New York Times because he was a Keynesian, he became prominent as a trade expert who was a darling of the free-trade [sic] globalists.)

      So here we are in 2018 being fed right-wing economic and military policy by what 1:11 PM as a member of the confused public is sure are liberal politicians in the Democratic party and what is alleged to be American liberalism by a particular corporate controlled infotainment network- all because of the brainwashing of the public that has been carried out over the last forty plus years.

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    17. Cmike, my primary desire is to bring an end to Trumpism, which I regard as uniquely dangerous to the country.

      You can dream about your liberal utopia all you like -- but it is notable that Somerby's rants about corporate media never mention Sinclair or the Murdoch Empire. As far as I am concerned, folks like Somerby and those who would defend Trump just out of this are acting as useful (although I prefer useless) idiots for Trump. Anyone who does that is no liberal, whatever they might call themselves. If SOmerby had a real audience, he might do real damage to liberals, but he's certanly trying gallantly.

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    18. You can dream about your liberal utopia...

      You really have been conditioned into the neoliberal mindset, 11:20 PM. You think the very real place that was post World War II America which saw rising political and economic empowerment for the working class and the middle class generally, and the non-white population specifically, never existed and, going forward, can only exist in the imagination of the unrealistic.

      As for Somerby, catch up with the history of his commentary 11:20 PM. He spent several years taking on the messaging by media and political wingnuts like Ann Coulter and Newt Gingrich. In the early aughts Somerby came to recognize such an approach would be futile until the liberals got their own house in order- that's why he concentrates his criticism on the media outlets aligned with, and the miserable messaging coming out of the dear to your heart Third Way/Centrist/New Democrat neo-liberal wing of the Democratic party. (Of course, Somerby also takes pot shots at both obscure and celebrity leftists whenever they're in the news flubbing some talking point.)

      As for Trump, himself, he has no ideology. He's just trying to mirror your standard far right (is there any other kind?) Republican to keep his base happy. Trumpism is Republicanism without the code words, nothing more or less. (Actually, in a few instances during the 2015-16 campaign Trump claimed to be to the left of certain leading Democrats, for example, on the subjects of Syria and the TPP, but Fox seems to finally have him up to Republican speed these days on those and other issues.)

      This idea that Trump is some sort of unique threat to our republic and the world, and that we'd be safer with Mike Pence in power, even given that our vice-president is likely a flat out Dominionist, is a talking point being delivered breathlessly and in unison by a Democratic elite who, policy wise, have absolutely nothing appealing to offer voters. Seems to work great on you 11:20 PM- the neoliberals sure have your number.

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    19. Cmike, you are ignorant of history if you posit that the post war period was some sort of Nirvana. What great neoliberal President did you elect. in those years now ? LBJ ?

      Pence is a scumbag, but he would never be next in line if people like you had not decided (despite your protestations) that there was no difference between Trump and Clinton.

      Fortunately, most of us will spend our time actually trying to defeat Rs and cons. you and Somerby can spend your time attacking other liberals and gallantly defending Moore and Trump. I call such people Trumptards Maybe that could be the name of your political party 'Useless Idiots for Trump'.

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    20. Cmike, you are ignorant of history if you posit that the post war period was some sort of Nirvana. What great neoliberal President did you elect. in those years now? LBJ?

      Who knows what you're talking about 6:58 AM- do you even know what the term neoliberal means? I guess not if you're referring to LBJ as a neoliberal.

      Some of us who have supported Bernie Sanders' platform since 2015 remember or have learned about the astounding economic, political, and social progress that occurred in what, for good reason, has been referred to as America's Golden Age.

      No, things didn't get to perfect in that era, but most ranks of society were experiencing steady improvements in their standard of living and an expansion of the possible for themselves throughout the era.

      The Montgomery Bus Boycott was successfully concluded in 1956, a Little Rock, Arkansas school was integrated in 1957, Freedom Riders challenged Jim Crow beginning in 1961 leading to the enactment of the 1964 Civil Rights Act and the 1965 Voting Rights Act, Rachel Carson's Silent Spring was published in 1962 leading to the EPA's creation in 1970, Betty Freidan's 1963 The Feminine Mystique is identified with the beginning of the twenty year long cultural and economic revolution of second-wave feminism.

      For most people to experience a steady and sometimes dramatic sense of progress over the course of decades should be both a desirable and achievable aim of our politics. Sorry you disagree, having bought into the Clinton line "that will never, ever come to pass" again.

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    21. I'm saying that LBJ was not a neoliberal, that you never had a neoliberal president. And that Republicans well learned how to counteract civil rights with the Southern strategy.

      I'm all for incremental progress. But progress is not going to be achieved by defending folks like Trump and Moore and attacking any attempt to point out the malfeasances of those individuals.

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    22. I'm saying that LBJ was not a neoliberal, that you never had a neoliberal president. And that Republicans well learned how to counteract civil rights with the Southern strategy.

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      Actually, we've had a run of neo-liberal presidents including one who's been a surprising source of kindling to fuel the southern strategy:
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      Chris Hedges [9:58]: To what extent has the Democratic liberal establishment been complicit in fueling the rise of these hate groups, this racism? Not just in terms of their policies, it was [Bill] Clinton who exploded the prison system, destroyed welfare, of course, but also through this fiction of pretending to care about African Americans and undocumented workers because statistically, since 2000 and 8, it's African American households that have been hit the hardest.

      And yet by having the Clintons use this kind of "feel your pain" language, "inclusivity," they feed the idea that right wing populists like Trump use, that minorities, people of color, LGBT, whatever, have been advantaged at your expense when you're speaking. But, of course, they haven't been. It's completely untrue.

      Khalil Muhammad: Well I think probably the simplest way to understand the dynamic that you've described is that the Democratic party, in particular, and its leadership, especially, have engaged in a kind of "personal responsibility politics" that have paid huge dividends across the liberal landscape of the Democratic party, which is to say that eventually poor people are poor because of the bad choices they make...

      Chris Hedges: Right.

      Khalil Muhammad: ...and this has been a mainstay, since the late 1960s, as a response to both the opportunities the Nixon administration extended to African Americans to participate in a project of black capitalism and, kind of in a way that just makes sense, like now that you don't [need] the Civil Rights movement, how else are you going to explain all this inequality and poverty?

      Precisely, you have the choice of Dr. King's vision which was now to call attention to capitalism's role in reproducing that racism and that poverty or you could say, well if we let a few more black people into these [government, business, professional, and academic] institutions, an entire generation of post-Civil Rights black "firsts," then maybe this won't be about the system at all, it will just be about individual choices.

      And so [Bill] Clinton articulated that in ways that set the blueprint for what we now call neoliberalism and that is that the market itself has organized winners and losers and if you can't participate [successfully] in the market it's on you, it's not the market itself.

      continued...

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    23. ...continued

      And that message, unfortunately, was wrapped in the sort of insidious tones of, you know, "we're all in this together, we all have equal opportunity." He spoke in the cadences, Bill Clinton, in the cadence of southern black vernacular coming out of the black church, he was a southerner.

      You know, I don't want to say this was always a massive conspiracy, but it is clear that there was tremendous dissonance between the symbolism of, as Tony Morrison described him, "our first black president" and...

      Chris Hedges: I hope she regrets that statement.

      Khalil Muhammad: (Right.) ...and the reality that he passed the largest crime bill, that he was throwing out the criminal thug label as quickly as he could round up people and the loop, and I think this is the important point, the loop of that rhetoric and the policy choices fueled white supremacists' articulation of crime statistics...

      Chris Hedges: Exactly.

      Khalil Muhammad: ...as the best method of proof that black people are actually, pathalogically criminal and racially inferior.

      Chris Hedges: We'll come back to that. When we come back we'll continue our conversation with Khalil Muhammad, professor of history, race, and public policy at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government.

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