GAPS AND SCHOOLS: The river is wide!

WEDNESDAY, MAY 16, 2018

Part 3—The size of the gaps inside Gotham:
What will happen at School 54 if the plan goes into effect? Quickly, let's review:

The plan to which we refer is the proposed "desegregation plan" for middle schools in Manhattan's District 3, one of the 34 districts which constitute New York City's humongous public school system.

(Over one million students!)

School 54 is one of District's 3's "sought-after" middle schools. Last September, at least 88 percent of its incoming sixth-graders had passed the state of New York's fifth-grade math exam.

If the proposed desegregation plan is adopted, School 54 will be required to set aside 25 percent of its sixth-grade seats for kids who didn't pass the fifth-grade state exams. This would lead to greater racial mingling, at least in the school's highly sought-after lunchroom. But how would the plan affect academics, let's say in reading and math?

How would the plan affect academics? So far, we've heard two ideas:

In Elizabeth Harris's news report about the proposal,
a grandparent named Irene Butler said the plan might lead to higher achievement for some affected kids. Kids who failed the state exam might do better at the "higher-performing" School 54, as opposed to at West Prep Academy, the lower-performing school two blocks away where she said, no doubt correctly, they some kids are "struggling."

This notion isn't crazy! (We'll examine it further tomorrow.) For today, let's focus on a second idea which isn't crazy. Let's consider something a gloomier parent said.

Truly, it's always somethin'! According to Harris, the gloomier parent said this:
HARRIS (5/2/18): [Some people] have questioned how the schools will adapt their teaching to meet the needs of students who come in at such different [academic] levels.

Deborah Kross, who lives on 118th Street and is white, has three children at District 3 public schools, including one at School 54. She shares some of those concerns. “A question I’ve asked twice in these meetings is, ‘What’s the plan for middle schools to bring together in the same classroom people with the very broad abilities?’ And there’s no response to that,” she said.
In a slightly better world, Kross would have said "achievement levels" rather than "abilities." But Kross is asking a sensible question, though she seems to have an unlikely picture in her head.

If School 54 ends up enrolling kids with a wider range of achievement levels, will these widely-varying kids end up "in the same classroom?" We'll guess that they would not.

We'll guess that the kids who got 4's on the math exam—the highest possible score—would typically be assigned to "accelerated" math classes. We'll guess that the kids who got 1's—the lowest possible score—would typically be assigned to some sort of (hopefully challenging) "remedial" math class.

This would, of course, tend to recreate the "racial segregation," relocating it within the classrooms of School 54. As liberals, we all know that we must denounce such an obvious evil.

But liberals, the river is very wide, and the river is hard to get over.

At present, School 54 is full of kids who got passing grades—3's and 4's—on the fifth-grade math exam. Within the context of New York City, how elite is this group?

Not all that super-elite! According to explosive official records, 41% of New York City fifth-graders scored 3 or 4 on the test in question. As kids who passed the test could tell you, this means that 59% of Gotham's fifth-graders got a 1 or a 2 on the test:
Scores on Grade 5 math exam
New York City, 2017

4: 16.5 percent
3: 24.3 percent
2: 24.5 percent
1: 34.7 percent
This, of course, doesn't tell us how wide the achievement gaps may be between these groups of kids.

For better or worse, the gaps seem to be quite large. Consider the scores New York City kids produced on that same year's Naep, the widely-praised "gold standard" of domestic educational testing.

The Naep tests kids in Grade 4 and Grade 8. For that very reason, we can't show you results from Grade 5.

That said, the results from Grade 4 seem to tell a familiar story, a story our experts tend to avoid as they sleep their way through life. Judging from results on the Naep, achievement gaps within Gotham seem to be very large:
Average scores by percentiles, 2017 Naep
Grade 4 math, New York City Public Schools

90th percentile: 269.09
75th percentile: 251.60
50th percentile: 230.43
25th percentile: 207.50
10th percentile: 186.80
Good grief! Fourth-graders who scored at the 90th percentile outscored their 10th-percentile peers by more than 80 points!

At such times, very rough rules of thumb may start breaking down on the Naep. But according to one familiar rule of thumb, that gap would mean that the higher-scorers are "ahead" of their lower-scoring peers by roughly eight academic years! At the end of fourth grade!

That doesn't exactly make sense. But even at the intermediate 25th and 75th percentiles, the river seems quite wide. Just as a frame of references, this is the way the numbers looked among New York City's eighth-graders:
Average scores by percentiles, 2017 Naep
Grade 8 math, New York City Public Schools

90th percentile: 329.72
75th percentile: 303.23
50th percentile: 272.76
25th percentile: 245.27
10th percentile: 222.66
The rivers seem to be wide.

Based upon these data, our gloomier parent seemed to have a germ of a point. Almost surely, District 3's proposed plan would introduce larger "achievement gaps" to the hallowed halls of "sought-after" School 54.

That doesn't mean that the school's teachers would be wrestling with these achievement gaps within individual classrooms. Presumably, the kids who aced the state math exam with scores of 4 wouldn't be in the same math class with the "struggling" kids who got 1's.

Deborah Kross has a germ of a point. That said, her specific fear—the indiscriminate mixing of 1's with 4's—is likely unfounded.

On the other hand, our more sanguine grandparent may be brought back down to earth by this rumination. Here is the unfortunate question a skeptical person must ask:

What makes her think that teachers at School 54 are better at teaching remedial math than the teachers at West Prep, two blocks away? Also, sadly, this:

Is she sure that the teachers at School 54 might not look down on her grandson—on the kid who is struggling with math? Is it possible that the teachers at West Prep might be more likely to see him for the decent kid he is?

Would lower-achieving kids end up doing better in math if they went to School 54? Tomorrow, we'll discuss that possibility in a bit more detail.

Having said that, let us also say this once again. It's a very important point:

People! Most struggling, lower-achieving kids don't have a nearby School 54! If we're going to help those kids succeed, we won't be able to help them succeed through s magical transfer to a sought-after, higher-performing school!

We'll have to figure out ways to make the West Prep Academies work. Luckily, you're never asked to think about this by Rachel, Lawrence or Chris.

They don't care about struggling kids like Irene Butler's grandson. On their entertaining cable programs, struggling kids in New York or Detroit aren't mentioned, don't matter, don't count.

You won't be shown the size of the gaps. You won't be asked how to address them.

Tomorrow: "Integration" in Chicago—and what de Blasio said

Location of Naep data: The federal government provides mountains of data from the Naep. Unfortunately, there is no way to make upper-end journalists access or discuss them.

For all Naep data, just start here, with The Naep Data Explorer. From there, you're on your own. Scores achieved at different percentiles can be accessed under the STATISTIC heading.

Tons of information are available at that site. It's just that no one ever goes there, mainly because, as is perfectly obvious, nobody actually cares and no one ever has.

37 comments:

  1. In dismissing the benefits of integrating these nearby schools, Somerby sets aside the non-academic benefits but these are the areas where benefits are to be expected. Schools weren't desegregated in the first place because of academic performance but because segregated schools conveyed social messages about second-class status. Having two side-by-side segregated schools in New York today conveys that same message and that is why it is a good thing to integrate them.

    As Somerby points out, the kids may be tracked into different classes but they will meet in the cafeteria and one athletic teams and in non-academic classes and clubs and extracurricular activities and they will learn that doors are open to them too. That is worth the effort of desegregating these particular schools.

    It might be hoped that the parents of those struggling black and Hispanic kids might interact with the parents of white kids too. That might dispel a bunch of misconceptions across racial lines held by adults. But that too would convey to the larger community that self-segregation along racial lines is not the model, the expected behavior for parents in a broader school community. That might inch us toward an ideal of integration and enlightened cooperation in our urban neighborhoods, if not in El Paso. And that might have some unanticipated benefit in workplaces and other venues. Then we might not need to have separate black and white TV shows and music and clothing and restaurants.

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    1. As I pointed out days ago, this is about punishing whites. See? These nutballs can't stand the thought of whites not subjected to black disfunction. They'll bus if they have to, consequences be damned.

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    2. If you weren't subjected to black disfunction yourself, you probably would have learned to spell the word correctly. We all feel very sorry for you.

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    3. 1:30 isn't losing his "rights". He's losing his privilege.

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    4. Sadly, most of the problems across the African-American community are self-inflicted.

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  2. "Tons of information are available at that site. It's just that no one ever goes there, mainly because, as is perfectly obvious, nobody actually cares and no one ever has."

    Actually, no one goes there because that isn't where the answers to knotty questions about how to best educate struggling children are to be found. Instead they go to place with answers, like the ERIC Clearinghouse.

    https://eric.ed.gov/

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  3. Here is proof that Mao doesn't care about the education of black children. He is too busy trolling about Libya in yesterday's comments. Whatta guy!

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  4. The NAEP database is just a database. It is full of data. A visitor to the site can run queries and retrieve....data. If the data show gaps, then that's all they show. Data does not provide solutions. If the data shows there are gaps, then that's what it shows. The question is how to fix the gaps, if you believe they are worth fixing. That is the difficult question.

    Somerby of course provides no solutions himself, but is content to mock ideas he disagrees with, like "integration/desegregation." He even claims that people who advocate such solutions don't care about the gaps or the kids, even though their proposed solution was proposed precisely because they, like Somerby, know that there are gaps and are looking for ways to fix them.

    JFC, Bob. How many times are you going to write the exact same post about this? 1000 times? 1,000,000? Also, why are you so intent on only looking at so-called "liberal" solutions for the gaps (and for education issues in general?) Just because a "liberal" person proposes something doesn't mean it is a "liberal" solution. And why don't you look at the whole picture and examine conservative approaches as well? After all, the majority of states are under Republican control, and that is where most school policy is set. Or better yet, why do you have to always make your discussion political?

    You cannot have an honest or meaningful discussion about this by ignoring the full picture. In my opinion, this indicates that it isn't the kids you really care about, but rather your desire to bash liberals that informs your writing about this. And that does a disservice to the kids that you profess to care so much about.

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  5. Uncle Vova is seriously concerned about the "casualties" at the
    Gaza-Israel border.

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  6. It's good that Somerby, who lives in Baltimore, is so concerned about the school kids in New York. He never mentions his own school system, where he himself taught 40 years ago, and where he could have a more direct impact, aside from just writing politically motivated attacks masquerading as blog posts about education in school systems with which he has no personal experience.

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  7. Another ugly possibility: Adding bad students to this school may, over time, cause families with good students to move out or move their children out of the New York City public school system. If that happens, there will be nobody to integrate with -- as situation that already exists in certain areas, as Bob points out.

    Our kids went to integrated schools in Berkeley. There was a big gap, because the population consisted mostly of poor blacks and professional level whites and Asians. I was told that the group most eager to get their kids out of the public schools were the professional level blacks. These parents felt that their children would be particularly harmed by being in classes with poor black kids.

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    1. You always tell such lovely stories. Someone told you this and you have no idea whether it is true but no hesitation repeating it either, because it confirms your prejudices. What did the parents of the poor black kids tell you?

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    2. His 2nd-favorite shtick is the unverifiable personal anecdote. It's a bullshit argument that would require proving a negative to challenge it, but you can assume he's lying because is favorite shtick is flat-out lying.

      He often combines the two, like on this reductive comment designed to support his "poor whitey" trope. He throws Asians into the mix to deflect from his main gripe - that whites are the real victims.

      Pro tip: "I was told ..." is the tipoff.

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    3. Anon 9:45 -- you are correct that it confirms my prejudices. My prejudice come from the experience of my three half-black cousins in integrated public schools in Englewood, NJ. They come from a very learned family. Their parents have, between them, two Ph.D.s and an M.D. They had some trouble with the anti-intellectualism of many of their black classmates.

      Tim -- sorry if you thought I was arguing that whites are the real victims. I didn't mean that. My point was to try to describe reality, as best I understand it.

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    4. "sorry if you thought I was arguing that whites are the real victims."

      If this is true, I can guarantee you David is not a Republican politician.

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  15. i am Michelle Bradley by name. Greetings to every one that is reading this testimony. I have been rejected by my husband after three(3) years of marriage just because another woman had a spell on him and he left me and the kid to suffer. one day when i was reading through the web, i saw a post on how this spell caster on this address astoriashrine@gmail.com, have help a woman to get back her husband and i gave him a reply to his address and he told me that a woman had a spell on my husband and he told me that he will help me and after 3 days that i will have my husband back. i believed him and today i am glad to let you all know that this spell caster have the power to bring lovers back. because i am now happy with my husband. Thanks for helping me Dr.Paul contact him on email: astoriashrine@gmail.com Dr Paul TEMPLE..or him on Whats-app+2349051441669
    You can as well click on this link here ( https://youtu.be/ha4M9h_2WCo) to watch his video on YouTube. He recently restored back my relationship again with his powers.

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  16. i am Rose from UNITED STATES i was diagnosed with HIV/AIDS for over 12 years which made loose my job and my relationship with my fiance after he discovered that i was having HIV, he departed from me i tried all my best to make him stays with me, but neglected me until a friend of mine on Facebook from Singapore told me Great healer, who will restore my life back with his powerful healing spell, he sent me the email address to contact and i quickly contacted him, and he said my condition can solved, that he will treat the disease immediately only if i can accept trust him and accept his terms and condition, i Agreed because i was so much in need of help by all means, so i did all he want from me and surprisingly on Sunday last week He sent me a text, that i should hurry up to the hospital for a checkup, which i truly did, i confirm from my doctor that i am now ( HIV NEGATIVE) my eyes filled with tears and joy, crying heavily because truly the disease deprived me of many things from my life, This is a Miracle, Please do not en-devour to email drtebe2@gmail.com or whatsapp Dr Tebe on +2348140544262 for healings Thanks

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  17. i am Rose from UNITED STATES i was diagnosed with HIV/AIDS for over 12 years which made loose my job and my relationship with my fiance after he discovered that i was having HIV, he departed from me i tried all my best to make him stays with me, but neglected me until a friend of mine on Facebook from Singapore told me Great healer, who will restore my life back with his powerful healing spell, he sent me the email address to contact and i quickly contacted him, and he said my condition can solved, that he will treat the disease immediately only if i can accept trust him and accept his terms and condition, i Agreed because i was so much in need of help by all means, so i did all he want from me and surprisingly on Sunday last week He sent me a text, that i should hurry up to the hospital for a checkup, which i truly did, i confirm from my doctor that i am now ( HIV NEGATIVE) my eyes filled with tears and joy, crying heavily because truly the disease deprived me of many things from my life, This is a Miracle, Please do not en-devour to email drtebe2@gmail.com or whatsapp Dr Tebe on +2348140544262 for healings Thanks

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  18. i want to testify about a great spell caster that help me cast a spell that bring my husband back to me without any delay. I broke up with him with just little misunderstanding hoping we will get back shortly,but things was growing worse until made contact with one of your psychics who helped me with his historical powers to bring him back, i have never believed in a spell caster until i come across him, it will be of great sin if i should go out from here without dropping the contact of this great spell caster, in case you need the help of this great spell caster you can contact him through the site. once again i say very big thanks to you sir for helping me to recover my husband back, and please sir keep your good work because people need your help and in their lives, once more thank you!GBOJIE can help you too Email him at gbojiespiritualtemple@yahoo.com or gbojiespiritualtemple@gmail.com or contact him ons his website:https://gbojiespelltemple.wordpress.com WhatsApp +2349066410185

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  19. Powerful Effective Love Spell Get Your Ex Back About a month ago I got back to my ex(after 2 and half years separated).Everything was ok and she was the most adorable woman in the world. she spoke about wedding ceremony, how many kids we would have, said that our relationship was the most important thing in her life and he was 100% sure about it…Then he traveled to work in other country for 3 weeks. he changed his behavior completely. he disappeared every night, was saying she had to do some work and would talk to me later, but disappeared the rest of the day and night… no explanation, when I asked why she was disappearing every night, she stopped answering me. she’s ignoring me since last week, April 15. she ignored even my birthday, that was April 16. Not even a message. I wrote to her a few times trying to understand what happened, she read but just ignored me.I feel so bad cause I couldn’t stop contacting and trying to understand what happened.i loved her so much and wanted to get her back, then i was told to contact happylovespell2@gmail.com who can help out with a love spell to reunite your relationship back, so instantly do contact him and give him a try and trust me he did an urgent effective love spell for me and with 46hours promise he made to me, my woman was back, today i testify to you all that you should seek and contact Dr happy for his spell result is genuine sure and guarantee unite and get your ex back save your marriage/relationship problem now, email happlovespell2@gmail.com you can also know more about his spell Blogs site.http://happylovespel.blogspot.com.ng/ Whatsapp/cal +2348133873774 Web http://happylovespel.webs.com/

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  20. I want to use this golden opportunity to appreciate the great spell caster called Dr. Silver for helping me get back my relationship with my ex lover when he ended and turned his back on me for quite a long period of time. Dr.Silver performed a spell for me and within 48 hours after the spell had been cast i receive a call from my ex saying that he is sorry for hurting me and that he will not do such thing to me in his life again, I was surprised but later accepted him back. Anyone that is in the same line of problem or having difficulties in there marriages or any part of life should contact Dr.Silver email: drsilverhealingtemple@gmail.com

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  21. Hi my name is Natalie Purg from Wisconsin in United States. I am one of those people that believe that the only best technique to accomplish cheerfulness and delight in your relationship is through casting spells. Whether it’s powerful African love spells or Voodoo spells, but the reality is, as long as you have got the authentic spell caster, things should go accordingly. I proved that the time my lover was up and down giving no attention to our relationship and I saw that my relationship is in a bad space. Then, my friend told me that the only way to attain happiness in your relationship is through love spells casting. I met Dr. JATTO and he cast me his binding love spell, things went accordingly as expected as it took me three days to see the results. I fully recommend love spells by Dr. JATTO to everyone out there who is facing the similar relationship problem. Contact his email: drjattolovespelltemple@gmail.com or drjattolovespelltemple@yahoo.co.uk or his Mobil:+27832193146 or via his Website: http://drjatto.website2.me

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  22. I am Shelly Maggie, Just some few days ago, My life seemed to be going down the drain, I was going to lose my Husband, my house and car to the mortgage company and insurance company....I ran around helplessly looking for a solution on how to get my Husband back and secure my bills, tried every single spell worker that I could find on the internet but got no results Until a friend told me about this great spell caster called Dr Ozil..I decided to give him a try and that was when I finally found true happiness and result.. He has magical spells and voodoos for what whatever situation you find yourself. I am a living testimony to this and its so obvious that I can keep my mouth shot, I was stunned and found this unbelievable, Now I have my husband back and can handle all my financial crisis.. I really hope he doesn't mind me advertising his contact on the internet but I'm sure any help extra work will benefit him. You can view his website: http://drozilsolutionhome.website2.me/ contact him via email: drozilsolutionhome@yahoo.com or drozilsolutionhome@outlook.com or call/whatsapp +2348161897826 Hope this helps everyone that is in need of any help...You can get the bellow problems solve here.

    1. GETTING YOUR EX LOVER BACK.
    2. HERPES SIMPLEX VIRUS
    3. CHILD BEARING.
    4. BREAKING OF GENERATION COURSE.
    5. GETTING OF JOB.
    6. JOB PROMOTION.
    7. SPIRITUAL PROTECTION.
    8. HERBAL CARE.
    9. WINNING LOTTERIES
    10. LOST LOVE SPELL
    11. DIVORCE SPELL
    12. MARRIAGE SPELL
    13. BINDING SPELL
    14. BREAKUP SPELL
    15. YOU WANT TO BE PROMOTED IN YOUR OFFICE
    16. FERTILITY SPELL/ PREGNANCY SPELL
    17. CURE TO ALL KIND OF DISEASES. e.t.c

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  23. My name is Anna,i am from South America . Its a pleasure for me to write this testimony about how i got my Genital Herpes cured two weeks ago. i have been reading so many comments of some people who were cured from various diseases by Dr. Zack Balo, but i never believed them. I was hurt and depressed so I was too curious and wanted to try Dr. Zack Balo, then i contacted him through his website: wiseindividualspell.webnode.com/, he assured me 100% that he will cure me from herpes, i pleaded with him to help me out. My treatment was a great success, he cured me just as he promised. he sent me his herbal medication and ask me to go for check up after two weeks of taking the herbal medication. i agreed with him i took this herbal medication and went for check up after two weeks later , to my greatest surprise my result was negative after the treatment, i am really happy that i am cured and healthy again. I have to wait for three weeks again to be very sure i was completely cure before writing this testimony. I did another blood test one week ago and it was still Herpes negative. so i guess its time i recommend anyone going through Herpes HSV-1 or HSV-2, HIV, HPV, Hepatitis B, Hepatitis C, Diabetes, Cancer, reach him through wiseindividualspell@gmail.com or call him +13203967742.

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  24. Dr. Ekpen Temple Your spell worked and brought my husband back to me. You gave me support when I was feeling hopeless. I feel truly blessed to have found your email address. I sincerely hope others will take that leap of faith and let you help them as you have helped me, for those of you who want to contact him reach him on his email address: ( ekpentemple@gmail.com ) OR WHATSAPP +2347050270218 you will never regret contacting him… He is capable of restoring your relationship and marriage problems like he did for me.

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