BREAKING: Three takeaways from Barr and Bee!

THURSDAY, MAY 31, 2018

Tom Arnold, Mara Gay speak:
First we heard from Roseanne Barr, then we heard from Samanthe Bee. We'll offer three takeaways:

The culture of the roast: To what extent are we dealing with the "lowest-IQ-possible" culture of the Comedy Central roast?

Like almost everything else on basic cable, comedy culture has grown dumber and dumber and dumber and dumber, which also means coarser and coarser.

Before these two, we had Louis C.K., not to mention Michael Richards. Then, along came Wolf.

We act like their dick jokes are bright and insightful. Guess what, people? They aren't!

Tom Arnold speaks: We were glad to see Tom Arnold on Anderson Cooper last night. As someone who knew Roseanne for a few days back in 1986, and liked her a lot, we were glad to see him raise a point we've been thinking about:
COOPER (5/30/18): When you were married to Roseanne, I mean, you also worked with her on the original "Roseanne" show did she display any signs of racism or xenophobia or conspiracy theory kind of beliefs?

ARNOLD: When I met Roseanne, I just worked in a meat packing plant for three years in Iowa. She was a little older. She was a feminist. I'd never met a feminist even.

She was so much more involved that I was. I mean, I was a meatpacker, and a bouncer, and a young comic. And I learned so much from her about, you know, about not just be a liberal, but about that kind of thinking...

COOPER: So what do you think it is that changed her?...Obviously, you know, she's talked about mental health issues before. But these conspiracy theories, and, obviously, these racist statements. What do you think it is?

ARNOLD: You know, I have mental health issues myself. Roseanne obviously does. It's something that—you know, right before we got married, I went to rehab. You know, I'm an alcoholic and drug—recovery from both of those. She was there for me.

And then after we got married, you know, we dealt with her mental health issues as a family. And she's done amazing with that. And, you know, it's something that she's dealt with and I can see that.

It's a thing about—I have to say this about the president we have and his gaslighting and lying. You can see him perpetuating mental health issues for the entire country...

Anyone with mental health issues, like Roseanne, is going to heighten things. And she is having mental health issues right now.
Back in 1990, we were disappointed and saddened when Roseanne, a person we'd very much liked, did that ridiculous national anthem thing, making people hate her. Arnold spoke about mental health issues. At the present time, as our culture dissolves, there seem to be a lot of such issues around.

(At present, our culture is dissolving in part because of Trump's apparent mental health issues. Twenty year ago, we went through years of similar lunacy from the biggest stars of the upper-end mainstream press corps. Do you believe that Candidate Gore really said he invented the Internet? That was their own deranged version of Spygate. They pimped it relentlessly, as a group, for the bulk of two years. mixing it in with various types of sexual insults. We liberals just sat there and took it.)

Mara Gay attempts to speak: Arnold's plea for understanding leads us back to Mara Gay's fine remarks on The 11th Hour. Gay is the newest and youngest member of the New York Times editorial board. She appeared with Brian on Tuesday night, after ABC cancelled Barr's show.

In our view, Gay delivered highly worthwhile remarks thoughts to Brian and Gene. Rather plainly, the titans weren't buying:
WILLIAMS (5/29/18): Mara, were you surprised at the speed with which today happened? This was a major television network, a big lumbering company, as they all are.

GAY: Yes. I was surprised but I also have to say that there was something special about what happened, what ABC did. And I think it's a big deal. I think they deserve a lot of credit for it. I think that so much of what's going on in the political realm that's toxic has actually started to pervade everyday life and the culture and the fabric, as you guys said, of the country.

...I also want to say that, even though what Roseanne Barr did was absolutely abhorrent, and I do believe that people should be treated like adults, and there hasn't been enough of that in political discourse frankly, it's also, I hope, a moment not to vilify her and her fans, and even Trump's base. Even though some of the things they're saying are abhorrent, I think it's a moment for both accountability, but also the offer of redemption and hopefully, as Valerie Jarrett said, a teachable moment.

I mean, you can't force someone to come to the table. But you know, we have to live with one another in this country. So there also has to be an opportunity to say, "Let me explain why this is really wrong and offensive and hurtful," and hopefully we can have that conversation. I'm afraid we`re not there yet. But that is where we need to go. We can't just cast off large swaths of American society.
In our view, Gay was a bit halting in her exposition. But she was expressing the wider vision we recently saw in some of the work she did as an undergraduate at The Michigan Daily.

"We don't have a person to waste," she was saying in effect. She spoke in favor of outreach and forgiveness and a search for broader understandings.

In our view, Brian and Gene weren't buying. Gay was speaking the language of Dr. King and Mandela and other sages of human history.

As a general matter, we humans don't like such ideas.

("I just think there's a way to hold folks accountable without vilifying them," Gay said again at a later point, as the boys grumbled and pushed back.)

These are heavily tribalized times. Everywhere you look, you'll see the extent to which our floundering species was built for the purpose of reflexively loathing The Others.

In prehistory, this served as a survival skill. Today, our instinctive desire to loathe Those People, the ones Over There, is a great deal less helpful.

Click here, move to the 5-minute mark. We think Gay had the right idea. She isn't likely to find a lot of takers, but we hope she can sharpen her game.

54 comments:

  1. 1. I don't think Roseanne is being vilified. Many who liked her comedy are sad that she has become such a bigot.

    2. What someone was in the past doesn't excuse their current misbehavior. Roseanne may have been a liberal but she isn't one now. No feminist would talk about Jarrett as she did. Period.

    3. Forgiveness cannot include overlooking the harm she did to others when she tweeted those remarks. Jews and African Americans have a prior claim on the sympathy of the public, not someone who maligns them.

    4. ABC cancelled Roseanne's show because financially it would be untenable to continue it. Among the people Roseanne hurt with her tweet are the many other people who work on that show.

    5. Good people don't mistakenly tweet hate speech. It takes someone with hate in their heart to do that. Blaming this on "mental health" issues further maligns those who are mentally ill but not bigots. Bigotry is not a symptom of mental illness. There is no classification in the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual) for bigotry. No insurance coverage for it. Her mental health issues neither explain nor excuse her behavior. Neither does taking Ambien.

    6. Although the media has been very concerned about the tweet about Valerie Jarrett, they should have expressed similar concern about the false tweet about George Soros. Anti-Semitism is just as wrong as racism. I am very surprised no one has spoken up about that.

    7. There are many people who believe as Roseanne does, Trump followers or not. That such people exist in no way excuses her beliefs. They are just as wrong. Racism and anti-Semitism are not defined by majority vote. It doesn't matter how many people are outspoken in their hatred, it is still hate speech.

    Somerby thinks we should all cut Roseanne some slack because he met her and liked her decades ago. I would agree that we are not defined by our worst moments, but I do think a bigot who does good things, doesn't erase that bigotry. Acts of hate speech hurt other people. It is wrong to hurt others and no amount of good deeds done elsewhere make up for that wrong. I don't want to see anyone lose track of the fact that her behavior was wrong. That is what protects minorities in our society from hateful acts that spring from the hateful thoughts that emerge as hate speech. It is a slippery slope and there must be zero tolerance, even for people Somerby likes.

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    1. so much for a teachable moment...

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    2. Roseanne's a Jew. And your oppression pyramid idea is idiotic.

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    3. "There are many people who believe as Roseanne does, Trump followers or not."

      Who believe what, exactly?

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  2. "Even though some of the things they're saying are abhorrent, I think it's a moment for both accountability, but also the offer of redemption"

    What a condescending liberal attitude Gay exhibits, Bob. The idea that conservatives need to be "redeemed" by those holier-than-thou liberals! What other childish infractions are conservatives guilty of that the liberals need to minister to with their greater sense of humanity and their inflated feelings of moral superiority?"Even though some of the things they're saying are abhorrent, I think it's a moment for both accountability, but also the offer of redemption"

    What a condescending liberal attitude Gay exhibits, Bob. The idea that conservatives need to be "redeemed" by those holier-than-thou liberals! What other childish infractions are conservatives guilty of that the liberals need to minister to with their greater sense of humanity and their inflated feelings of moral superiority?

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  3. Jeez, so serious, "we humans". You and Anderson Cooper. Roseanne is fine, good trolling. Not everyone is so perfectly square as you, Bob. Fortunately.

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  4. "At the present time, as our culture dissolves, there seem to be a lot of such [mental health] issues around."

    This is an interesting remark. There is no consensus on the left that our culture is dissolving. No consensus among academics either. Social indicators show that it is doing fine -- teen pregnancies down, crime down, except for opioids, drug use is down, graduation rates are up, and so on. On what basis does Somerby assert that culture is dissolving?

    It is conservatives who feel that culture is dissolving, gone to the dogs, sinful, on the wrong track, leaving them behind. Culture has changed, but liberals consider those changes good. Conservatives look at gay marriage, decreased church attendance, decreased marriage, recreational marijuana, less censorship of movies, multiculturalism, immigration, women in nontraditional jobs and outside the home, and so on, and conclude that culture is dissolving.

    So Somerby's assertion suggests that he is not as liberal as he claims. It suggests that he is at home with the Trump supporters and conservatives who want to return to those good old days when culture was intact, everyone was white, moms stayed home, English was the national language, and everyone was happy and not mentally ill, like everyone is today. This explains a lot about Somerby's rants lately.

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    1. And despite the US being almost evenly divided between liberals/conservatives, and despite Hillary and Gore winning the popular vote, due to the vagaries of our system, the Republicans are in the ascendant and in the process of trying to roll back all of those things you listed and deemed good by liberals.

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  5. Lenny Bruce, George Carlin, Richard Pryor, Joan Rivers, Bill Maher....these are all comics who pushed boundaries. They were considered "coarse." I would say that Roseanne's stand-up had coarse elements as well.

    And many of the old time comics whose tv appearances were sanitized worked "blue" all the time.

    And again with King and Mandela. They were not uncritical of the people and events of their times.

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    1. All of those comics pushed boundaries but their contributions were not only that they used profanity.

      There is a difference between using profanity and "working blue." The latter makes sex the focus of the humor. The comedians listed didn't do that, except for Louis CK (omitted above). They swore and they made sexual remarks but their focus was on other things. Lenny Bruce, for example, implied that Tonto and Lone Ranger were gay, but the routine was about Tonto and the Lone Ranger, not sex. Similarly, George Carlin did routines about hypocrisy and materialism and not specifically sex. These comedians just didn't self-censor when it came to sex.

      I dislike it when Somerby invokes these names as if they would all agree with what he is saying. I suspect they would not. Is Richard Pryor, for example, going to think it is OK for someone to call Valerie Jarrett an ape, not in humor but in spite? And then she has the nerve to say Jarrett has simian features so it makes sense and is funny! I doubt Pryor would find this funny or something to give her a pass on, because she has a heart of gold, or some such.

      I would find it helpful to see a list of all the good things Roseanne has done that demonstrate her "humor" is a mistake and out of character for her. I've seen a long description of her mental illness, as if that excused racism, but I haven't seen anyone say that she loaned them money, helped them fix a car, let them use her couch, gave them a leg up in show biz, or anything like that. What are her redeeming qualities? Aside from throwing her parents under the bus based on memories of abuse while in the crib (never mind that infants cannot remember at that age). Did she ultimately forgive her parents? What belongs on her list of redeeming qualities?

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    2. @anon 3:54:
      I agree with you. I wasn't trying to equate the old time "blue" comics with the others, like Lenny Bruce, who is something of a hero of mine. I think my point was that Somerby claims comedy is getting "coarser", and I wanted to point out that what is "coarse" depends upon one's attitude. Plenty of people felt that comedy was getting "coarser" because of Lenny Bruce.

      And judging from Somerby's posts recently, he would classify Michelle Wolf as "coarse". So who knows? Bruce included criticism of religion in his routines. I'm afraid Somerby would call that coarse if he were around today.

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    3. Misogyny plays out like that too. Someone says something mean about women and all the guys laugh. When the woman objects, they say "What's the matter, can't you take a joke?" and "Women have no sense of humor."

      What Roseanne said wasn't a joke. Not because it wasn't funny, but because the context in which she was tweeting wasn't anything related to comedy. It was political.

      I heard awful things said about Hillary that were passed off as jokes. I suspect there are people who express their bigotry by laughing at that mean stuff. That doesn't make it any kind of joke. She shouldn't be permitted to use that as cover for her behavior, which is ugly.

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    4. Cue the folks who say that Trump has been treated badly. There have certainly been jokes at his expense, but the difference is that they aren't jokes about categories of people, just about him. And yes, they do express hostility toward him.

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    5. @anon 5:17:
      Good point. It kind of goes to the heart of what should or shouldn't be said. If liberals don't mind people trashing Trump, then I suppose we shouldn't mind it when they trash Hillary? I would note, just as an aside, that Somerby is really only bothered by coarseness in our discourse when he perceives it coming from liberals.

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    6. If they trash Hillary based on something specific to Hillary, no problem, but if they trash Hillary by making jokes about women in general, not OK.

      Somerby is a Catholic and he is hearing his mother's voice in his head whenever someone swears. Or maybe the nuns did a job on him.

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  6. Somerby sounds like the older generation at the advent of rock and roll. People like, say, Frank Sinatra despised rock music. They viewed it as unsophisticated, dirty, "coarse". They objected to the unrestrained and very public sexuality, drug use, of rock musicians and of the "hippies", whom they viewed as scum.

    Except that Sinatra and his ilk were busy taking drugs, screwing every woman they could find and generally being monumental assholes behind closed doors. They wore ties and acted virtuous or harmless in public.

    Which is better? Keeping one's coarseness hidden, pretending to be well-adjusted, or being honest and airing one's dirty laundry publicly?

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  7. I think Samantha Bee is wonderful. I'm glad she was nominated for an Emmy. I hope she wins.

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  8. What was the takeaway from Bee?

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    1. She said nothing at all about Roseanne Barr. At her opening, she stood in front of a photo of Roseanne and said "We're going to talk about racism tonight. I just took an Ambien!" Then she didn't mention her again for the rest of the show.

      What did Somerby see? And why did he include her name in his header, given that she expressed no opinions whatsoever about the incident? Did Somerby glance at the beginning of the show and make some assumptions, or what?

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    2. Perhaps he is demonstrating that it is OK to take liberties in the name of art. Bee adds alliteration. Who cares if she is irrelevant to the discussion and never mentioned by Somerby again? Maybe he wants to argue that Roseanne just referred to Planet of the Apes as alliteration too?

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    3. Yeah, I don't think "alliteration" is the reason Barr chose Planet of the Apes.

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    4. @6:02 Yes, I was being facetious, but it doesn't come across well in text.

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    5. Maybe Somerby is referring to this?

      https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/samantha-bee-ivanka-trump-remark

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    6. She told Ivanka to tell her father to stop separating parents from their children at the border. If Somerby has an issue with that, he has no business talking about MLK or Malala. It was foolish of Ivanka to tweet a picture of herself enjoying one of her kids in the midst of the furor over this atrocity. Bee was heartfelt.

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    7. At No More Mister Nice Blog they say the conservatives were looking for a tit-for-tat comedian to complain about, tried to pin it on Bill Maher but Bee was a better target. This is ginned up outrage.

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  9. I vote for Bob to be the next MLK. Go for it.

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    1. I have been to the mountaintop and I have seen that you my followers are dumb, stupid and exude a moral squalor. Glory, glory, hallelujah.

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  10. Dick jokes are as old as Shakespeare. Probably older.

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  11. So, according to Tom Arnold, Roseanne developed mental health issues. Then she became a Trump supporter. Interesting.

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  12. MLK was assassinated.
    Mandela was imprisoned for decades.
    Bob's favorite liberals.
    Bob will rejoice when all those beautiful black children are dead or in prison. Life will be good.
    Fuck you!
    I have a gun. Come for me.

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  13. BTW, neither MLK or Mandela were murdered or imprisoned by "liberals".
    Fuck you.

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  14. 300 years of slavery.
    100 years of oppression.
    50 years of indignation because black Americans dare, dare to demand freedom.

    And then here comes trump.

    My advice to black Americans: Get yourself a gun.

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  15. 300 years of slavery.
    100 years of suppression.
    50 years of resentment and hatred that black Americans dare, dare to demand their freedom.
    How long do they wait? Another 450 years.
    Your prediction, please.

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  16. If you have the patience, Chomsky speaks to this very type of thing, speaking at a (very) small roundtable of Canadian journalists. He speaks to journalism in general, but here's the relevant part:

    LINK

    It speaks to everything Bob talks about, and this whole shenanigan about Barr is part and parcel. The whole thing is worth a watch.

    Leroy

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    1. If you are white you can afford to be patient.

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    2. David Frum sat next to Chomsky at that roundtable. Frum is now one of the few conservatives speaking out against Mr Trump.

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    3. Leroy: Oops. Chomsky uses the "R" word:

      "As for Trump's base, they are indeed quite loyal. Most Trump voters were relatively affluent and probably are fairly satisfied with the ultra-reactionary policies. Another important segment was non-college-educated whites, a group that voted overwhelmingly for Trump (a 40 percent advantage). There is a close analysis of this group in the current (Spring 2018) issue of the Political Science Quarterly. It found that racism and sexism were far more significant factors in their vote than economic issues. If so, this group has little reason to object to the scene that is unfolding, and the same with the white Evangelicals who gave Trump 80 percent of their vote. Among justly angry, white, working-class Trump voters, many apparently enjoy watching him stick his thumb in the eyes of the hated elites even if he doesn't fufill his promises to [working-class voters], which many never believed in the first place."

      http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/44261-a-complete-disaster-noam-chomsky-on-trump-and-the-future-of-us-politics

      So, Chomsky gets to say "racism", but Somerby rips everyone else who dares mention it? And you're ok with that, Leroy? It seems to me that Chomsky is being honest in his assessment of Trump voters, but Somerby is not.

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    4. "Frum is now one of the few conservatives speaking out against Mr Trump."

      Even a blind pig can find an acorn once in awhile.

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    5. David Frum is now making $$ repeating things Liberals have been saying about Conservatives since 1985.
      As an added bonus (for Frum), he's trying to inflate his lifeboat to get away from the mess Conservatives are
      creating in the world*, while whistling right past the fact that Conservatives are who they are because of people like David Frum.

      *As they did in 2008-09, when they ran from their accountability by calling themselves "Independents" and "the "Tea Party".

      Screw that. We need to knife their lifeboats, and remind the world they are to blame.

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    6. 10:45 You're right, I was trolling a bit, because the link I posted was Chomsky talking about media influence. I was trying to stay on-topic and failed.

      In your link (which I’ve read previously, I’m a truthout supporter), Chomsky talks about racism from a poll-based (analytical) style, which concludes that racism played a large role in Trump’s election. I tend to float with that analysis.

      That’s far different than Bob’s notion of how we “win” politically vis-à-vis mainstream news dissemination. Bob thinks it’s a bad idea for liberals to accuse “the deplorables” of racism. What does it gain? I think it’s a worthy question. But as I’ve said lo these many years, Bob is tilting at windmills. I occasionally enjoy tilting along. He and those who follow this blog know the msm is completely compromised. In the case of Barr, the entertainment complex agreed to give a mentally ill woman (according to her ex) a platform. Her firing wasn’t about her acting, but about what she really thinks, which is retrograde. Just like Trump. This clip gets closer to what I was trying to convey.

      https://youtu.be/WjIZEIDxFGc?t=2057


      Leroy

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  17. Off topic - Here's a young black man who applies Bob's POV to adults as well as well as children

    "White liberals don't really care about black people!

    "I’ve been feeling like [BLM is] white liberals in black face. … It’s because the white liberals are all about feminism, LGBT — white liberals don’t really care about black people. I realize, white liberals don’t really care about me, bro. I’m off the plantation, bro! I’m off the plantation, bro!

    “I escaped the plantation, bro,” he continued. “I’m empowered. They don’t want me to have power. They want to keep me dependent. But I’m realizing this. They put white liberal ideas — LGBT, women, non-binary, white feminism, all that Hillary Clinton stuff — put it in black face!”

    http://dailyhowler.blogspot.com/2018/05/breaking-three-takeaways-from-barr-and.html#comment-form

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    1. Also off-topic--Here is a young black man who applied the NRA's POV about the 2nd Amendment (it gives people the right to fight the tyranny of the government).

      25-year-old Micah Johnson, an African-American, drove his car to a rally against police violence and began killing police officers in downtown Dallas. Mr. Johnson, who shot and killed five officers in Dallas on Thursday night, had conducted training in his backyard.

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    2. Many leftists have an intense identification with the problems of groups that have an image of being weak (women), defeated (American Indians), repellent (homosexuals) or otherwise inferior. The leftists themselves feel that these groups are inferior. They would never admit to themselves that they have such feelings, but it is precisely because they do see these groups as inferior that they identify with their problems. They think of themselves as inferior.

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    3. 2:06,
      I too can't wait until whitey is the minority. There isn't enough popcorn in the world to enjoy while watching that spectacle.

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    4. David, what do you think went wrong in Donny the Coward's upbringing? Don't you agree that if he had had a good strong black teacher that knocked the snot out of him a few times he might not have grown up to be a criminal fraud degenerate Traitor?

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  18. Tom Arnold has also said that Barr's racism was not an uncommon thing, that people in her Alt Right circle love referring to blacks as apes and it is a frequent joke, justified by havijng a President like Trump.

    So that's what Bob will never tell you or admit.

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    to court for a divorce. he said that
    he never wanted to stay with me
    again, and that he didn’t love me
    anymore. So he packed out of the
    house and made me and my
    children passed through severe
    pain. I tried all my possible means to
    get him back, after much begging
    but all to no avail and he confirmed
    it that he has made his decision and
    he never wanted to see me again.
    So on one evening as i was coming
    back from work i met an old friend
    of mine who asked of my husband.
    So i explained every thing to her so
    she told me that the only way i can
    get my husband back, is to visit a
    great spell caster called Dr Ahmed
    utimate, who has really worked for
    her too to get her husband. So i
    never believed in spell but i had no
    other choice than to follow her
    advice. Then she gave me the email
    address of the spell caster, So the
    next morning i sent a mail to the
    address she gave to me and the
    spell caster assured me that i will
    get my husband back the next day.
    What an amazing statement!! I never
    believed so he spoke with me and
    told me everything that i need to do.
    Then the next morning So
    surprisingly my husband who didn’t
    call me for the past seven months
    gave me a call to inform me that he
    was coming back. So Amazing!! So
    that was how he came back that
    same day with lots of love and joy,
    he apologized for his mistake and
    for the pain he caused me and my
    children. Then from that day our
    relationship was now stronger than
    how it were before, So i will advice
    you out there if you have any
    problem contact Prophet Dr Ahmed
    utimate he is real and always ready
    to help you solve your problem
    Email him at:
    Ahmedutimate@gmail.com or call/
    whatsapp: +2348160153829

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  20. MY HUSBAND IS BACK WITH THE GREAT HELP OF DR SAM LOVE SPELL

    My husband was flirting with another woman. until he vanished away, I was desperate to get him back, I wasted so much time and money trying to get my Husband back, I tried almost all possibilities to have him back and nothing worked. I became lonely. To make it short, I found a spell caster Dr Sam. I saw the good testimonies about his wonderful work and after reading the Testimonials, I decided I had to try and give it one last try and After the spells, a miracle happened, my husband came home. It was awesome, anyone who needs help, should email him (Supremespellcast@gmail.com Or Supremespellcast@yahoo.com) Or whatsApp him on these number. +2347087462033..





    MY HUSBAND IS BACK WITH THE GREAT HELP OF DR SAM LOVE SPELL

    My husband was flirting with another woman. until he vanished away, I was desperate to get him back, I wasted so much time and money trying to get my Husband back, I tried almost all possibilities to have him back and nothing worked. I became lonely. To make it short, I found a spell caster Dr Sam. I saw the good testimonies about his wonderful work and after reading the Testimonials, I decided I had to try and give it one last try and After the spells, a miracle happened, my husband came home. It was awesome, anyone who needs help, should email him (Supremespellcast@gmail.com Or Supremespellcast@yahoo.com) Or whatsApp him on these number. +2347087462033..

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  21. hello,
    Am writing this article to appreciate the good work of DR Abiodun that helped me recently to bring back my wife that left me for another man for no reason for the past 8 months . After seeing a post of a woman on the Internet testifying of how she was helped by DR ABiodun. I also decided to contact him for help because all i wanted was for me to get back my wife happiness and to make sure that my child grows up with his mother. Am happy today that he helped me and i can proudly say that my wife is back with so much love and joy like never before thanks Dr contact email drabioduntemple@gmail.com

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  22. Medialord helped me monitor my husband's phone when I was gathering evidence during the divorce. I got virtually every information he has been hiding over a year easily on my own phone: the spy app diverted all his Whatsapp, Facebook, text messages, sent and received through the phone: I also got his phone calls and deleted messages. he could not believe his eyes when he saw the evidence because he had no idea that he was hacked.i strongly recommend (hacksecrete@gmail.com) text or call him on +1(617) 402-2260 . His services are cheap and affordable , am sure he will help you

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  23. Hello,

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