BREAKING: New York Times Sunday Review gets it right!

TUESDAY, MAY 15, 2018

This morning, Page A3 fights back:
In the rarest of all journalistic events. the New York Times Sunday Review got it right this weekend.

It did so on the section's front page, in the section's featured essay!

This morning, whoever writes the Times' reimagined page A3 (hard-copy only) decided to come fighting back. In the daily section called The Conversation, the anonymous editor/presumptive nephew chose to say this about that:
The Conversation
FOUR OF THE MOST READ, SHARED AND DISCUSSED POSTS FROM ACROSS NYTIMES.COM

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2. Liberals, You're Not as Smart as You Think
Gerard Alexander's Op-Ed, which argued that liberal smugness will push people into an opposing coalition and get President Trump re-elected, drew plenty of debate. "Just what do you suggest liberals do?" asked one highly recommended comment. "Be super respectful and tolerant of ignorance? Invite the other side to a dialogue? In my little town, we tried that and they refused."
Leave it to the New York Times to reprint and highlight that "highly recommended comment!" Leave it to us liberals to compose and fall in love with a comment like that, in which we immediately identify what The Others think and say as "ignorance!"

Full stop! End of story!

What does Alexander suggest that we liberals do? He offers a long list of suggestions all through his essay. Stunningly accurate headlines included, his essay started like this:
ALEXANDER (5/13/18): Liberals, You're Not As Smart as You Think/
Self-righteousness is rarely attractive, and it's even more rarely rewarded.


I know many liberals, and two of them really are my best friends. Liberals make good movies and television shows. Their idealism has been an inspiration for me and many others. Many liberals are very smart. But they are not as smart, or as persuasive, as they think.

And a backlash against liberals—a backlash that most liberals don’t seem to realize they’re causing—is going to get President Trump re-elected.

People often vote against things instead of voting for them: against ideas, candidates and parties. Democrats, like Republicans, appreciate this whenever they portray their opponents as negatively as possible. But members of political tribes seem to have trouble recognizing that they, too, can push people away and energize them to vote for the other side. Nowhere is this more on display today than in liberal control of the commanding heights of American culture.
Do we liberals "make good movies and television shows?" Is it true that many of us many liberals "are very smart?"

Alexander should have given examples. Those early exaggerations aside, we'd say that Alexander's essay was basically right on target. He says a lot of things that have been said before, but the bulk of what he says strikes us as wholly accurate:

He says our tribe's obnoxiousness creates a lot of Republican voters. He says we could get Trump re-elected if we don't make ourselves stop.

We don't know what will happen in the year 2020, but we'd say that, on balance, he's right.

For today, we'll leave it there—though once again, we'll ask you to consider the comment the Times chose to feature today.

Are we liberals "very smart?" Are we able to see ourselves as we are? Alexander's essay is full of suggestions as to things we should stop doing if we want to be smarter and better and if we want to win.

The commenter didn't seem to have noticed the existence of these suggestions. Instead, he said The Others are the problem, due to Their enormous ignorance, ignorance We can't repair.

Inevitably, that comment was "highly recommended." Inevitably, the Times reprints it today, on the daily page it reserves for its most simple-minded content..

What sorts of things are we liberals doing, right now, to make people find us obnoxious? We'll present some examples in the next day or two.

Examples aren't real hard to find. And yes, Trump really could win.

64 comments:

  1. Bob,
    How do you have an intelligent dicussion with a voter who lost 3 cousins in the Massey energy disaster and says he is voting for Don Blankenship who served a year in jail for violating mine safety rules?
    How do you have intelligent discussion with someone who says Obama allowed 3 million illegals to vote in California? Yes, this liberal looks down at ignorance.

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    1. How do you have an intelligent dicussion with a voter who lost 3 cousins in the Massey energy disaster and says he is voting for Don Blankenship who served a year in jail for violating mine safety rules?

      You don't. There's no way to break that code these people speak. It's a suckers game to try.

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    2. They're dead-enders in the last throes, if you will, of white supremacy.
      This too shall pass.

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  2. "Is it true that many of us many liberals "are very smart?" "

    No. A vast majority of you are brainless zombies.

    This has been another edition of 'easy answers to easy questions'.

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      President Trump tweeted that he was intent on saving that sanctions-busting Chinese telecommunications company, China had agreed to loan $500 million to a major Trump-backed development in Indonesia. These kinds of situations are now basically commonplace in the Trump Era.

      Who knew what middle America really wanted was Tony Soprano for President?

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    2. "brainless zombies"
      Trump took their brains (along with everything else of value) and gave them to the elites.
      Ho hum, just another day under Establishment-Republican rule.

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    3. "This has been another edition of bottom-of-the-barrel trolling."

      FTFY - NFO

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  3. So, what is the proper response to being trolled by Conservatives?

    BTW, Bob Somerby, is there a made-up Right-wing grievance you won't repeat?

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  4. Check the incomparable archives to see if Bob bobbleheaded to version 1 of this drivel. "Why Are Liberals So Condescending?" by Gerard Alexander, February 7, 2010, Washington Post

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    1. Check the web and try and find the article.

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    2. Here it is:

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/04/AR2010020403698_Comments.html

      Took all of 30 seconds.

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  5. "Just what do you suggest liberals do?" asked one highly recommended comment. "Be super respectful and tolerant of ignorance?"

    Answer: Yes.

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    1. Being tolerant of ignorance doesn't mean letting misinformation stand without challenge. You can politely disagree.

      But I don't think liberals are any more disrespectful or intolerant than conservatives. Conservatives are more misinformed, according to objective studies. You can't let misinformation stand and still defend democracy and our institutions.

      I don't believe politeness or impoliteness ever changed anyone's vote one way or the other. Hillary's campaign was one of the most polite ever -- she lived on the high road. It didn't get her ahead with conservatives, as near and I could tell. People just asked what she was hiding or what she was up to, and called her false and disingenuous. That's what they'll say about us if we stop behaving like partisans and become Malala.

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    2. Except for that time she called 30 million of them racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic and Islamaphobes. That wasn't very polite. Or accurate. Most importantly is was politically self-defeating.

      Hey - you do what you gotta do.

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    3. Kind of like the time Obama called them clinging to God and guns, but he won anyway. Are you saying conservatives never forgive such a remark despite an abject apology?

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    4. "Being tolerant of ignorance doesn't mean letting misinformation stand without challenge. You can politely disagree."

      You misunderstand the grievance. Disagreeing with them, politely or not, is being intolerant and disrespectful to them.

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    5. "Except for that time she called 30 million of them racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic and Islamaphobes. That wasn't very polite. Or accurate."

      Yes, they were really upset with the rigged economy and the elites running the show. That
      's why they voted for a deadbeat, New York city real estate developer, who has been stiffing his contractors for 4+ decades. LOL.

      But you are 100% correct that kind of truth-telling was not what Trump voters wanted from a President.

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    6. "Except for that time she called 30 million of them racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic and Islamaphobes."

      This just shows that criticism of Hillary because she wasn't "authentic" were bullshit too.

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    7. "Are you saying conservatives never forgive such a remark despite an abject apology?" I'm simply saying her remark wasn't polite.

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    8. No matter the apology she still thinks that and so will the next Democratic candidate for president, he will just be smart enough to not say it out loud. The internet never forgets so Trump (or another Republican) will something and let everyone know what he really thinks of conservatives.

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    9. It was truthful, honest, genuine, authentic. All those things she was accused of being insufficiently to trust. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

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    10. Anabolic SpheroidMay 15, 2018 at 10:01 PM

      Here's the Incoherent Sentence of the Week:

      "The internet never forgets so Trump (or another Republican) will something and let everyone know what he really thinks of conservatives."

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    11. I would love to lather Trump's entire body with oil. And I do mean entire.

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    12. "It was truthful, honest, genuine, authentic. All those things she was accused of being insufficiently to trust. Damned if you do, damned if you "

      If it was truthful, why did she say the next day she regretted saying it? Is that proof of her authenticity? She says something truthful and then says she regrets it? Which is it? She believes the first statement or the second?

      She later said it wasn't about Trump supporters but Trump himself which was that ... truthful and authentic?

      Hmmmmm

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    13. If you read her book, What Happened, you would know the answer to your questions.

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    14. I guess you're right that she was not being impolite, she really thought that that was true. Oh well, as she admits, it's one of the reasons she lost. And she has lost two times now, two runs for president. And she is left her party in total shambles. So let's hope she goes away and we never hear from her again.

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    15. "she really thought that that was true."

      She'll never get that corporate-media job with that kind of truthfulness, I mean attitude.

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  6. David in CA is unfailingly polite. Has he convinced anyone of anything here?

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  7. I scored 168 on the LSAT and hold two graduate degrees. My vote for Trump can be traced to noticing the label of "racism" was crudely slapped on anyone who did not vote for Obama. Other similar offenses by the obnoxious and very stupid Democrats have landed me solidly in the opposing tribe.

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    1. Can you show me an example of someone doing that? Thanks.

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    2. I can see how this might make someone annoyed with those Democrats, but why would that make you decide to vote for another candidate? Don't you make an informed choice based on the merits of the respective candidates? Do you also decide law cases by evaluating who has annoyed you the most?

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    3. I do not have a law degree, my son does though and we both have always voted Republican. News reports were full of calls of racism as the reason people did not vote for Obama. Democrats believed he was the perfect candidate and can't believe people did not like his politics so it had to be racism. That same reasoning lost the election for Hillary. Her campaign could not believe people might not want another Democrat in the White House. I mean, who would not want a female Democratic president, right?

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    4. Democrats like their candidate and that's a reason to vote against them? That makes sense at all.

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    5. "News reports were full of calls of racism as the reason people did not vote for Obama."

      To paraphrase mm at 4:34 PM, could you please provide some examples of these news reports?

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    6. I didn't vote for Trump because of annoyance. Identifying opponents of a black candidate as "racist" was only the beginning. That thinking came to define the Democrats during Obama's presidency and it is who they are now. I identified a trend that called itself progress and decided it should be opposed. Trump, in his inimitable way, articulated and forcefully opposed the threat after years of political cowering and appeasement, including by Republicans. Trump is the antidote to the insanity and ignorance that defines Democrats.

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    7. 12:07,
      When your child dies from an asthma attack, because Trump handed the EPA to corporate polluters, make sure you blame Democrats.
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      BTW, I notice you were unable to provide any examples of news reports "full of calls of racism as the reason people did not vote for Obama."
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      As a Democrat, I implore you to not drink Draino.

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    8. Anonymous May 15, 2018 at 4:28 PM -
      "My vote for Trump can be traced to noticing the label of "racism" was crudely slapped on anyone who did not vote for Obama."

      mm May 15, 2018 at 4:34 PM
      "Can you show me an example of someone doing that? Thanks."

      @ 4:28's response - no examples, just more generalizations, ending with "Trump is the antidote to the insanity and ignorance that defines Democrats."

      jdmeth May 15, 2018 at 8:01 PM -
      "News reports were full of calls of racism as the reason people did not vote for Obama."

      Not CMike May 15, 2018 at 10:45 PM
      " ... could you please provide some examples of these news reports?"

      jdmeth's response - [crickets].

      The Daily Howler - " ... we'll ask you to consider the comment the Times chose to feature today."

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  9. IMHO the reason it's hard to have useful discussions is that most people on both sides don't know enough to sensibly debate the important policy issues. And, the non-aligned group are mostly less interested in politics and know even less about policy issues. I don't fault people for being ignorant, because the issues are complex. Each one requires a lot of time, effort and expertise to understand. Most of us would rather devote our attention to our own lives and our own particular communities.

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    1. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Look how elitist and supercilious and condescending and insulting Comrade DinC is being. Do you care to tell those good Midwestern diner folks that to their faces, jackass?

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    2. I don't know enough to intelligently debate the issues, either. Take unfunded and underfunded government pension, for example. As an actuary I understand the situation better than most. Yet, I can't say whether radical spending cuts and/or tax increases are needed. I don't know enough to compare the impact of changes in current government against the long-term effects of the under-funding.

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    3. And yet you come here every fucking day to pull bullshit out your lying ass and opine on everything under the sun.

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    4. Yes, but he's such an unflinchingly polite douchebag.

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  10. And now for another perspective on this vexing issue of Gerard Alexander's theory:

    In the endless search for the magic key that Democrats can use to unlock the hearts of white people who vote Republican, the hot new candidate is “respect.” If only they cast off their snooty liberal elitism and show respect to people who voted for Donald Trump, Democrats can win them over and take back Congress and the White House.

    The assumption is that if Democrats simply choose to deploy this powerful tool of respect, then minds will be changed and votes will follow. This belief, widespread though it may be, is stunningly naive. It ignores decades of history and everything about our current political environment. There’s almost nothing more foolish Democrats could do than follow that advice.


    But the mistake is to ignore where the belief in Democratic disrespect actually comes from and to assume that Democrats have it in their power to banish it.

    It doesn’t come from the policies advocated by the Democratic Party, and it doesn’t come from the things Democratic politicians say. Where does it come from? An entire industry that’s devoted to convincing white people that liberal elitists look down on them.

    It’s more than an industry, actually; it’s an industry, plus a political movement. The right has a gigantic media apparatus that is devoted to convincing people that liberals disrespect them, plus a political party whose leaders all understand that that idea is key to their political project and so join in the chorus at every opportunity.

    If you doubt this, I’d encourage you to tune in to Fox News or listen to conservative talk radio for a week. When you do, you’ll find that again and again you’re told stories of some excess of campus political correctness, some obscure liberal professor who said something offensive, some liberal celebrity who said something crude about rednecks or some Democratic politician who displayed a lack of knowledge of a conservative cultural marker. The message is pounded home over and over: They hate you and everything you stand for.


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/05/15/why-democrats-cant-win-the-respect-of-trump-voters/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f22ba63633e4

    Bottom line,

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    David Roberts‏Verified account @drvox

    3. To put it bluntly: Democrats have virtually no control whatsoever over what rural & suburban whites (R&SW) hear. None. It doesn't *matter* what they say, what attitude they take, the tone they use, the message they craft. They have no way of reaching those R&SW directly.
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    Bob Somerby, you really need to get out more.

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    1. Professor Gerard Alexander is a Fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, a well-known conservative think tank long funded by a who's who of conservative oligarchs.

      What a shock that the Professor might conclude that Liberal attitudes helped Trump get elected.

      That Somerby agrees with this partisan hit piece and vouches for its condescending advice is not so shocking.

      If anything, publication of articles like this, the interminable presence the insufferable David Brooks and Maureen Dowd in addition to its hideous lineup of conservative columnists should belie any notion that the Gray Lady is a liberal newspaper, a notion that should've been dispelled beginning with its phony Whitewater "investigation" through its signing on with Schwartz's Clinton Cash information-sharing arrangement resulting in the completely-discredited Uranium One "pay-for-play" series.

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    2. Bari Weiss, the NY Times lionizer of "the renegades of the intellectual dark web" posted a tweet on May 11:

      >>>...When conservatives, classical liberals or libertarians are told by the progressive chattering class that they--or those they read--are alt-rght, the very common response is to say: Screw it. They think everyone is alt-right. And then those people move further right.<<<

      That tweet was referenced in the middle of a discussion about related matters on this past Monday's Sam Seder show prompting these comments:

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      [43:17] Henry Ferrell: ...The first question is how people got to the alt-right. There are some people, and here for example there is a book by Angela Nagle called Kill All Normies, first she argues the alt-right is effectively a reaction, a counter-reaction to the excesses of feminism.

      In her telling of the story what you get are these crazy virtue-feminists who get into one-upping each other online and this helps provoke this counter reaction which then becomes the alt-right.

      I don't, myself, and what studies I've done of the alt-right, think this provides a plausible theory of how, in fact, it worked. Instead, if you look back at the earlier stirrings of what became the alt-right you see that it really isn't linked too much to the stronger or more condemnatory form of feminism you find some people exercising as much as it was to just women, gay people, transgender people, and others intruding into spaces that had previously been considered by a bunch of young white guys to be their spaces and for these people to be making pretty limited demands for recognition and acceptance which these [young white guys] found to be grossly offensive to their sense of political identity.

      And this also gets mixed in with a whole bunch of preexisting nasty political tendencies which you get in the Men's Rights activist movement, which you get in the further reaches of the far right which are creating their own social spaces and this becomes sort of a toxic mess that then generates Gamergate, that then generates the online alt-right which we all know and love so intimately today.

      So you can make the counter-argument, and nobody has anything that resembles very strong statistics one way or the other but I've got to say when somebody like Bari Weiss makes that argument it pretty much flatters her own sense of the world and here own sense about what people should or should not be saying and so as a result, I think, it's reasonable to discount it unless she has some real evidence to produce and, to my knowledge, she has not produced any evidence of some independent evidence that gives you the sense that, in fact, this theory she has is correct and, as you say, there are a lot of people, including people on the right side of the spectrum, who've made quite a lot of fun of her for really making this kind of claim which just, to me at least, doesn't seem particularly probable.

      Sam Seder: It also seems to me to make a claim like that sort of does a disservice to these intellectuals, doesn't it? It seems to me, and I don't necessarily run in intellectual circles, as a professor I expect you do far more than I, but do you find that intellectuals develop their thoughts and theories, and their ideologies, and philosophies just based upon what somebody online called them and they just said, "Screw it, I'm going full hog into this."

      Maybe there's some of that I guess, but I feel that's just a little bit- if somebody accused me of that I'd be offended. If somebody said my politics were just a function of somebody called [me] on the phone and called [me] a lefty [and I was] like, "OK, I'm going to show them and I'm going to get even more lefty than I was before."

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    3. Henry Farrell: Yeah, I think it's pretty implausible. Matt Yglesias had a tweet, I think, where he more or less said maybe it kind of works to explain how people en masse can gather and get socialized into the alt-right but it probably doesn't work for intellectuals. I'm not sure it works for either the general mass of people or for intellectuals.

      And I think part of what's going on here is that we are all universally, we have a tendency to look for rationalizations for the decisions that we took and very often the rationalization is, "I'm only doing this because of the the crazy and evil things which you have done in order to push me into this position."

      But that rationalization sort of provide people with a sense of being justified for why they sometimes change their beliefs. There used to be a joke back in the dawn of the age of blogging about how people would say they used to be on the left or on the Democratic side until, twenty years after the event in the Iraq war, they became enraged by Chappaquiddick and by Ted Kennedy.

      And I think there is something like that that happened here. Perhaps there are some people who have conversion experiences but the reason people give for radical shifts in their opinions and understandings of the world are, very often, not plausibly reasons that actually drove them to make the changes they did make.

      Sam Seder: Am I mistaken or is this a dynamic that is on the right and barely on the left. I mean I've heard Christine Todd Whitman, I sat next to Christine Todd Whitman when she told me that the reason why conservatives were so adamant in denying climate change was because liberals were making such a stink about it.

      I mean I've never heard [and] that [potential] dynamic has been out there, I've never heard this dynamic go the other way, I've never heard a socialist or an anarchist, or a Communist, or an anti-facist- well, I guess an anti-fascist is built upon fascism existing but it's not because someone said, "You seem somewhat anti-fascist" leading to an anti-fascist saying, "Well I'm going to get even more anti-fascist now because they're all ready labeling me that way so I might as well." Am I mistaken or does that just seem to go [in] one direction?

      Henry Farrell: I've never heard that claim being made seriously about people on the left, like you. There may be people who've made that claim, I can't say I'm aware of who they are and I don't think that's it's a really plausible description of how most people change their minds about politics.

      Maybe I'm wrong but I guess the challenge for Bari Weiss and [other] people who make this claim, like Whitman, would be if you really want to make this claim -which really flatters [the claimant] in a certain sense because it suggests the problem is on the other side rather than with the people who are being radicalized- show some evidence, find some evidence, show us some kind of a good independent body of evidence which shows how this can happen on a pretty large scale and then, maybe, we'll believe it's true.

      Sam Seder: But why do you think it's true that when we hear this claim that it comes from the right as opposed to the left? It seems like it is a surrogate for that notion of status threat, "The presence of you and your increased prominence," it gets translated into the way you're talking or are imposing something on me -this dynamic of your presence or your speech is an imposition on me which is causing my reaction- is used as a surrogate for, "Hey, I'm losing my status..." [51:57]

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    4. Obama should have declared a "National Do Not Ingest Draino Day" by executive order.

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    5. Snooty elitism is fine. Just don't couple your conceits of intelligence and ethics with ignorance and degeneracy, which is what Democrats do and why they are rejected. Your feminist and anti-racism heroes are pornstars and cop killers.

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    6. Cop killers are the heroes of the (Russia-funded) NRA, not Democrats.
      Or have you not heard we have the 2nd Amendment to fight the tyranny of the government?

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    7. "Your feminist and anti-racism heroes are pornstars and cop killers."

      As opposed to fascists.

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    8. Much shorter CMike: Republicans exists to piss off Democrats and then play the victim when Democrats respond in kind.

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  11. The check is in the mail -- sincerely, Michael Cohen

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  12. Bob, have you considered "retiring?" I mean, you don't really have any job to retire from, but you could just put yourself out of your misery and just fade away into the sunset. Your posts are essentially just conservative talking points. Where's the uniqueness in that? Those talking points are repeated ad infinitum every day all over tv and elsewhere on the internet. Why bother just regurgitating them? The shtick about pretending to be a liberal is getting really old.

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  13. Liberals have a little club of left-leaning technocratic businessmen and a harem of celebrities to trot out in front of the masses. It's not a good system of governance because it is elitist and shallow by definition.

    And whatever ambiguity you might sense when your party is dragging on ending war, or pipelines, or anything that might upset the very welcome donor class, just ignore that discomfort and rage against everyone else, maybe you'll get lucky and find a feminist that is overstepping her station, or an independent voter to lecture on how stupid they are.

    The Democratic base is ready to throw out these Washington blob grifters that took over the party in a coup in the 1970's, and they're clinging on like a dust bunny on a ceiling fan.

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    1. Woman-hating (icel?), concern trolling, pretend-progressive's concern is noted.

      Quick question: do you own a van?

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    2. There's not a tardigrade's difference between the alt-right and pseudo-progressives.

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