THE CRAZY AND THE WRONG: "The American people are pretty sharp!"

FRIDAY, AUGUST 21, 2020

What happens if we aren't?:
"The American people are pretty sharp!"

It's long been a standard line for pundits and pols alike. It's an obvious, low-cost way of flattering us, the people.

That notion also lies at the heart of the whole democratic idea:

Yeoman fathers—and auto mechanics—will employ their good, sound common sense in the course of making the nation's decisions. Some such notion lies at the heart of democratic theory.

That said, what if we actually aren't pretty sharp? What if we the people are strongly inclined to fall in line with, to truly believe, The Crazy and The Wrong?

Are we really all that sharp? Consider a recent news report in the New York Times.

The piece appeared in print editions on Saturday, August 15. It was written by Davey Alba, "a technology reporter covering disinformation."

Four days earlier, Candidate Biden had announced that Kamala Harris would be his running-mate. "Since then, false and misleading information about Ms. Harris has spiked online and on TV," Alba wrote—and she offered three major examples.

Sometimes, false claims are simply wrong. They could have been true, but they aren't.

Sometimes, though, false information comes from the land of The Crazy. The fact that millions of people may believe such lunatic claims is the problem we're discussing today.

Below, you see one of the crackpot claims about Harris on which Alba reported:
ALBA (8/15/20): The ‘PizzaGate’ Conspiracy Theory

On Wednesday, a day after Mr. Biden announced his selection, the falsehood that Ms. Harris is connected to a child-trafficking conspiracy known as PizzaGate was published on the conspiracy-mongering website Infowars, which set off a round of sharing on social media.

PizzaGate hinges on the baseless notion that Hillary Clinton and Democratic elites ran a child sex-trafficking ring through a Washington pizza restaurant. According to the rumors about Ms. Harris, she is tied to the conspiracy because her sister was invited by John Podesta, Ms. Clinton’s presidential campaign manager, to a “Hillary pizza party” in 2016.

[...]

On Facebook, users in dozens of QAnon groups and pages posted about the rumor. The falsehood reached up to 624,000 people, according to The Times’s analysis. On Instagram, which Facebook owns, 77 more posts tried to spread the lie further.

And on YouTube, a QAnon channel with over 100,000 followers pushed the conspiracy, too. “Remember, we know what pizza was code language for,” Daniel Lee, a YouTube personality popular in conspiracy circles, told his audience. The video was viewed 30,000 times.
For the record, what was "pizza" said to be code language for? You may not want to ask.

("References in the emails to 'pizza' and 'pasta' were interpreted as code words for 'girls' and 'little boys.' ”)

In our view, Alba's journalistic constructions could be criticized. In essence, she referred to the lunatic PizzaGate allegations as a "baseless" "falsehood." It seems to us that language like that fails to capture the actual nature of the actual problem.

At any rate, Alba didn't pretend to know how many people believed these crazy new claims about Harris. That said, recent reporting about QAnon keeps suggesting that hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of people believe the crazy claims which lie at the heart of the "theory."

Nor was this the only crazy claim floating around about Harris. To her credit, Alba tried to nip this in the bud too:
ALBA: Jussie Smollett

One of the most convoluted lies that has spread on social media involves the actor Jussie Smollett and the baseless allegation that Ms. Harris is his aunt
and knew in advance that Mr. Smollett was planning to stage an assault against himself early last year.

According to the unsubstantiated narrative, when the Chicago Police Department and the F.B.I. investigated the alleged assault, Ms. Harris appeared in Mr. Smollett’s phone records, so she must have been in on the hoax.

The right-wing website True Pundit published an article pushing this argument in November. The article gained new prominence on social media this week, shared nearly 2,000 times on Twitter and reaching 180,000 people, according to CrowdTangle, a tool to analyze interactions across social networks.

A February 2019 article on FactCheck.org concluded that there was no relation between Ms. Harris and Mr. Smollett, and that evidence of her role in the hoax was nonexistent.
In fairness, Harris could have been Smollett's aunt. In that sense, this second claim may come from the land of The Astoundingly Stupid, not from the land of The Crazy.

Harris could have been Smollett's aunt. Could she have "been in on the hoax?" At this point, we're once again inching our way toward the realm of The Crazy.

Here too, it seems to us that Alba, and the New York Times, haven't quite established their point of view toward such ludicrous stories. Alba refers to this idiocy as a "lie," but also as "unsubstantiated." As we noted yesterday, our journalists are struggling to call a spade a spade when they deal with lunacy of this remarkably widespread type.

Today, the Times does somewhat better. The paper presents another front-page report about QAnon, its third such report in as many days. Today's report starts like this:
ROSENBERG AND HABERMAN (8/21/20): Late last month, as the Texas Republican Party was shifting into campaign mode, it unveiled a new slogan, lifting a rallying cry straight from a once-unthinkable source: the internet-driven conspiracy theory known as QAnon.

The new catchphrase, “We Are the Storm,” is an unsubtle cue to a group that the F.B.I. has labeled a potential domestic terrorist threat. It is instantly recognizable among QAnon adherents, signaling what they claim is a coming conflagration between President Trump and what they allege, falsely, is a cabal of Satan-worshiping pedophile Democrats who seek to dominate America and the world.
Is President Trump poised to confront "a cabal of Satan-worshiping pedophile Democrats who seek to dominate America and the world?"

That isn't the question we're asking. The question we're asking is this:

Does it make sense to describe something that crazy as "false?"

As they continue, today's writers do a bit better. They quote a Texas Republican official referring to such claims as "crazy."

"The lunatics are truly running the asylum," this Republican official says. A bit later, the writers themselves describe QAnon's various crazy beliefs as "untethered from reality." Their locution is perhaps a bit clumsy, but it does convey an idea.

Our journalists still seem reluctant to call a spade a spade in this crackpot area. As a group, they have refused to discuss the possibility that Donald J. Trump may be mentally ill in some way. They don't seem eager to speak directly about us the people either.

Our journalists need to be braver. That said, the larger problem lies in the fact that so many people are crazy enough to believe these crazy claims at all.

The foundations of democratic theory are called into question here. Ideally, our journalists would confront this fact more directly. In reality, they never will.

You see, even as millions work from The Crazy, the rest of us tend to work from The Wrong. We'll discuss that state of affairs in much greater detail next week. But in closing today, let's discuss the role of The Crazy in our politics over the past many years.

Back in the day, the Clintons were accused of multiple murders. The extremely pious Reverend Falwell pushed this claim extremely hard. We were listening to Rush Limbaugh on the day when he fingered first lady Hillary Clinton in the death of Vince Foster.

(Yes, the fact that this went on helps explain how Donald J. Trump reached The Oval.)

Many people were dumb or crazy enough to believe those murder claims. In the face of those poisonous claims, our journalists cowered and hid.

Later, mainstream journalists took the lead in inventing two years worth of crazy tales about the many lies of Candidate Gore. People are dead all over Iraq because they invented that tale.

Later, remarkable percentages of voters told an array of pollsters that they didn't believe that Barack Obama had been born in the United States For four years, our current president played a lead role in spreading that crackpot claim around. When his leading enabler moved from Fox to MSNBC, Rachel Maddow praised her work to the skies and revealed that she had been Rachel's drinking buddy during those birther-rich years.

Over There, in pro-Trump tents, many beliefs seem to be coming from the realm of The Crazy. Democratic theory lies in ruins if so many citizen-voters are able to believe so many crazy things.

That said, our press corps has played a large role in the rise of Crazy Belief over these many long years. And while we liberals like to bash the others for their love affair with The Crazy, our own tribal beliefs have routinely been born in the land of The Wrong.

Large chunks of their tribe are sunk in The Crazy, but we're deeply sunk in The Wrong. What can we possibly mean by that?
Next week, we'll start to explain.

The American people are pretty sharp? For decades, it''s been a rallying cry from pundits and pols alike.

The American people are pretty sharp! But what happens to our politics, and to our culture, if it turns out that we aren't?

54 comments:

  1. So much depends on how Somerby defines "the Wrong" next week, as he promises. He's asserted that "our tribe" is as susceptible to "the Wrong" as the others are to "the Crazy." We know what the "Crazy" involves, and to some extent we can assume that the "Wrong" refers to the poor reporting skills and laziness of the press, working from script, etc. But if the distinction is to have real meaning, we need to know whether the Crazy and the Wrong arise from the same sources(s) or not. If it's a little bit of both, then we need to know where the Crazy and the Wrong intersect and where they deviate. I think that would help clarify what Somerby has been thinking along these lines. If it turns out that Somerby has little to say about roots of these "disorders," that will be disappointing -- to me at least.

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    1. Before Somerby will actually talk about what he considers to be "Wrong", he has to make sure we understand that liberals are wrong, wrong, wrong, through endless repetition and coupling of wrongness and craziness, over and over.

      So far he hasn't told us one single thing that he considers to be wrong (or crazy) on the left. Just the association between crazy and wrong, as if there were an equivalence between the two and we are just as guilty as those who believe in Pizzagate and unsubstantiated attacks on Harris. Is there any bad thing said about Trump that isn't true?

      This is pure and simple propaganda on Somerby's part, and I expect it will be an anti-climax when he actually tells us what he dislikes about the left, but in the meantime, the idea that liberals are wrong will have been implanted and whatever damage he can do to us in the forthcoming election, will be done.

      I think Somerby is wrong, wrong, wrong to do this. We aren't stupid enough to fall for it, but liberal=wrong is all he is going for, with what little influence he still has. He should be ashamed to be pulling a stunt like this.

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  2. Dear Bob, we here have never heard any of those Harris rumors that your goebbelsian media rush to 'fact-check'.

    Consequently, our own 'conspiracy theory' is that your cancerous liberal media are, in fact, inventing these non-existing rumors out of thin air, in order to claim that the opponents of your zombie cult are crazy people.

    What do you think, dear Bob? It wouldn't be beneath your cancerous dembots to make up 'rumors' in order to denounce them, would it, dear Bob?

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  3. Instead of insisting that bizarre false statements be labeled as "crazy" instead of just wrong, Somerby could be investigating how much of the spread of these rumors is coming from Russia or Russian-funded troll factories and disinformation farms. We know that Russia is involved in spreading disinformation during this election -- not solely in 2016. Somerby could perform a public service by listing sources and talking coherently about that meddling effort, on behalf of Trump. The battleground here is social media. Somerby could be talking about the role of social media and its billionaire owners in controlling crazy attacks on Democrats, the role of silicon valley in electing Trump in the first place. There is a lot to talk about here.

    Instead Somerby just wants a shift in the use of adjectives.

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  4. ...by the way, dear Bob, did you check your mailbox? Is it safe? Not stolen by the Russkies or shape-shifting alien Trumpoids yet?

    You better go check again, dear Bob.

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    1. Good reminder for the White House staff to count the silverware. A complete inventory is needed.
      The thugs are leaving in January, and will take anything that isn't nailed down.

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    2. Meanwhile, in CA, people who mail in their rent checks are being accused of late payment due to the delays, sometimes up to 3 weeks late. Don't you image that landlords and businesses waiting for accounts receivable need that cash flow?

      I would have expected small businesses all over the country to be squealing in pain over this meddling with their solvency -- aren't Republicans the party of commerce? Our whole economy depends on delivery services, such as the mail, now that people are on shutdown, and Trump deliberately interferes with that glue that keeps our economy humming, and he has the nerve to brag about his economic success?

      And they did this on purpose!

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  5. "Later, mainstream journalists took the lead in inventing two years worth of crazy tales about the many lies of Candidate Gore. People are dead all over Iraq because they invented that tale."

    This doesn't really qualify as crazy, because the press mostly mischaracterized statements that Gore actually made about his participation in creating the internet, his involvement with Love canal and whether Love Story was about him and Tipper.

    This craziness is qualitatively different because Hillary has nothing to do with pedophilia or that pizza restaurant, even remotely, and neither does Harris, and the entire Democratic Party establishment is being attacked with such accusations (while Bernie attacks it from the left, I should add).

    Further, telling an innocuous lie about something unimportant that wouldn't matter even if it were true, is hardly in the same category as accusing a major party candidate of committing heinous crimes punishable by years in prison, crimes against children that evoke strong emotions in nearly everyone. And then pretending that those crimes are not being investigated or punished because of government corruption. That is damaging not solely to the accused Democrats but to our democracy, because it undermines faith in our institutions.

    Whatever was said about Al Gore falls into the category of politics as usual. The attacks on Hillary Clinton (and Bill Clinton before her) are not normal. The talk of the vast right wing conspiracy to take down the Clintons was correct because the attacks on them go far beyond anything that is politics as usual. And so does this Q-Anon garbage. I believe it represents a continuation of Republican attempts to undermine our democracy by use of illegal campaign tactics, couple with ongoing meddling by Russia in collusion with Republicans (not just Trump), including such things as funneling money into the campaign from Russians seeking favorable treatment, via the NRA and PACs, and use of the internet to undermine politics. My beliefs are supported by the results of various inquiries so far.

    The media's delight in some silly stories told about Al Gore are trivial in comparison. Somerby attempts to reduce what happened to Hillary to the same level as this mocking of Al Gore, seem like an attempt to minimize the attacks on Democrats and thereby normalize and support what the Republicans have been doing for years now. That makes Somerby an accomplice, witting or not.

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  6. "Large chunks of their tribe are sunk in The Crazy, but we're deeply sunk in The Wrong. What can we possibly mean by that?"

    Some frustrated lady at a committee meeting yelled at another of the board members over something stupid and Somerby generalizes that to the entire left and calls us all wrong.

    Whatta guy our Somerby is!

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  7. "The American people are pretty sharp! But what happens to our politics, and to our culture, if it turns out that we aren't?"

    It sounds like Somerby wants to reargue The Federalist Papers.

    What happens when someone powerful decides the people aren't fit to vote in elections? The strongman takes over, with help from the military, and their country is no longer a democracy. From that point, everything depends on the personality of the dictator, but people mostly lose their freedoms, individually or collectively. You can argue about whether the trains then run on time, but you no longer have a democracy.

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  8. “Large chunks of their tribe are sunk in The Crazy, but we're deeply sunk in The Wrong.”

    Somerby shouldn’t sell the Republicans short here. The chunks not sunk in The Crazy are deeply sunk in The Wrong.

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    1. Somerby isn’t describing “The Wrong” as being dangerous as he has the crackpot QAnon madness.

      Despite the hundreds of millions in destruction of a host of U.S. cities, he’s represented the error on the left via an advisory board brouhaha involving “Antiracists” vs “Non-racists”.

      Buck up, mh.

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    2. I can tell you’re pissed at Bob, Cecelia.

      Not really a good look for you.

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    3. I’m not angry with Bob in the slightest. I’d mad at half the people I know if I thought like that.

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    4. Hundreds of millions in destruction? Oh, my! This qualifies both as bat-guano crazy and wrong.

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    5. Calm down, Cecelia. Take a chill pill. Not sure why I trigger you, but it is what it is.

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    6. “ The mayors of Minneapolis and St. Paul said they will do what they can to help small business owners, but they said the scope of the losses dwarfs their ability to cover much of the damage. Gov. Tim Walz has told federal officials that property damage is expected to exceed $500 million, making the Twin Cities riots the second-costliest act of civil unrest in the nation’s history.”

      https://m.startribune.com/what-are-they-waiting-for-owners-of-riot-damaged-businesses-ask/571907262/

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    7. “Calm down, Cecelia. Take a chill pill. Not sure why I trigger you, but it is what it is.”

      Hahaha! I like you, mh.

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    8. 2nd costliest in history -- not adjusted for inflation, of course it will be

      would a Gov exaggerate the loss when asking the feds for money? Naw...

      most damage is spray paint and broken glass, damage to protesters = concussions, tear gas, projectile injuries, bruises but also blinding, broken bones, more serious stuff too

      which is more important -- damage to people or damage to property?

      repairing damage helps the economy, people may have trouble finding help with their injuries during a pandemic

      which caused more damage -- winds in Iowa or people in Twin Cities? No one has whined and complained about the damage in Iowa, Trump doesn't even mention it, or the damage in CA from the wildfires (5 dead so far), but when it is damage for a cause like civil rights and freedom, then it is BAD BAD BAD

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    9. That might be because natural disasters don’t discriminate as to whose rights are to be sacrificed to a mob.

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    10. Look at you having a problem with people's rights being sacrificed.
      Who says you're not sympathetic to BLM?

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    11. “Who says you're not sympathetic to BLM?”

      Who says you really are?

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    12. "Who says you really are?"

      Right-wingers. They think it's an insult, because if anyone ever said they supported equality for black people, they'd be furious.

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  9. Somerby is worried abut Trump's mental health (and the Q-Anon Republicans too) because he is secretly worried about his own mental health, which is obviously running out of his ears and ruining his shirt collar.

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  10. So, dear Bob, your zombie cult's high priests perform their most extended and sacred version of the Orange Man Bad ritual -- and it magically boosts Orange Man's popularity.

    Tsk. Bummer, eh?

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  11. No doubt, tribalism is a main factor in the times we’ve been experiencing since we were hunter-gatherers, or even earlier. And the realm of ideas, ideally, should not be tribal, but sometimes, they are. If a certain group of people feel strongly about the same thing, then politics – and religion – offer them a tribe to which they can belong. And act, in electoral politics, into which the Religious Right has burrowed deeply and unceasingly.

    What causes the tribalism between ideas and the action taken by the tribes? I think there may be a strong case to be made that poverty and a lack of education largely fuel what is broadly deemed “The Right”; on “The Left,” we have those who think and reason more seriously on just the very idea of an idea. Can’t remember who said it, but even skeptics should be skeptical of what they think they know.

    But there are, of course, obvious limits to that assertion. Qanon is one such thing. There is so much information freely floating about that people who would normally appear intelligent (because they actually probably are), get sucked into the most nonsensical memes that it beggars the imagination of the discerning people that encounter them. But if it’s on the internet, it’s true!

    “The Right” and “The Left” in America think differently, and the factors that influence what someone believes are manifold, but I think it all comes down to well-being when being raised as a child, and education, particularly in things like the humanities and critical thinking, even though even those factors may result in a right-wing loon. But few years ago, the Texas Republican platform specifically made it plain that they wanted to eliminate critical thinking studies from school curricula. Hm, wonder why.

    Goddamn, I'm becoming Elba.

    Leroy

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    1. PEW study shows

      Surveys: Republicans more open-minded, better informed than Democrats

      On eight of 13 questions about politics, Republicans outscored Democrats by an average of 18 percentage points, according to a new Pew survey titled “Partisan Differences in Knowledge.”

      The Pew survey adds to a wave of surveys and studies showing that GOP-sympathizers are better informed, more intellectually consistent, more open-minded, more empathetic and more receptive to criticism than their fellow Americans who support the Democratic Party.

      “Republicans fare substantially better than Democrats on several questions in the survey, as is typically the case in surveys about political knowledge,” said the study, which noted that Democrats outscored Republicans on five questions by an average of 4.6 percent.

      The widest partisan gap in the survey came in at 30 points when only 46 percent of Democrats — but 76 percent of Republicans — correctly described the GOP as “the party generally more supportive of reducing the size of federal government.”


      https://www.aei.org/society-and-culture/are-cognitively-impaired-conservatives-better-informed-than-liberals/

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    2. "correctly described the GOP as “the party generally more supportive of reducing the size of federal government.”"

      Who ever heard of a Republican who wanted daddy government to bailout their business? Besides everybody, of course.

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    3. Don't fall for it. Republicans just want to defund the Defense Department because they hate our troops.

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    4. Shout it from the rooftops, David.
      Republicans ARE informed.

      Republicans know Trump expanded Obama's drone program.
      They know Trump spent over three-and-a-half years doing nothing but dither about our health care system.
      Republicans are fully aware Trump neutered the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau.
      They saw Trump give a HUGE tax break to the corporate Establishment, who were sitting on piles of cash.
      There is not a Republican, who doesn't know Trump larded his cabinet with Wall Streeters.

      They completely know their support for Trump is due his bigotry. But, even Democrats, who aren't usually as informed, know that.

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    5. The CFPB was a corrupt, unconstitutional agency. neutering it was one of many good things done by our President.

      Even Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton were recommending a cut in the corporate income tax rate. That rate cut helped prolong an economic expansion that helped all Americans.

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    6. An agency isn't corrupt or unconstitutional just because you (or other Republicans) say so.

      You guys have supported the Trump crime family, the most corrupt president in history. You are either complicit or you wouldn't know corrupt if it bit you in the ass.

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    7. "The CFPB was a corrupt, unconstitutional agency."

      Every Right-wing accusation is a confession.

      Also, if the CFPB was really corrupt, Bill Barr would be working overtime to defend it.

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    8. "That rate cut helped prolong an economic expansion that helped all Americans."

      Yes. Because corporations buying back their stock with ill-gotten gains, really helps the economy. (s/)
      Just after David tells us the PEW report says Republicans are better informed, he reminds us that Republicans know NOTHING about economics.

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    9. David,
      Look at that list again.
      Can you pick out the item that sent Republicans into a tizzy, because they were fed up with how things were happening?

      What if I added this to the list?
      "Republicans saw a black QB kneel to protest police brutality against black people."

      Now can you find the item from the list that sent Republicans into a tizzy?

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    10. "The best lack all conviction, while the worst

      Are full of passionate intensity."

      - Yeats

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    11. Who was Yeats talking about, Leroy? Not Republicans or Democrats.

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    12. Has PEW explained what all the pissing and moaning about same-sex marriage was about?

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    13. Well, 12:12, you could look it up. But that line struck me and stuck with me. And anarchy is a good thing, in the Chomskyist sense. Not sure why Yeats was so against it.

      Leroy

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  12. Q-Anon is a distraction from this:

    https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

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  13. Crazy AND wrong:

    “The president would call us and he would say — and pardon my language — he would say, ‘Why the hell didn’t you watch Lou Dobbs last night? You need to listen to Lou. What Lou says is what I want to do.”

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  14. I agree that the fault for the mess we are in lies with the American people. We allowed this situation to happen with our stupidity. And yes, I mean a lot of people in the media with college degrees.

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    1. And also a lot of people outside the media with and without college degrees.

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    2. MBAs should be banned from government work.

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  15. I wonder why protesters would be targeting ICE? It is a mystery.

    "PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — Protesters in Oregon’s largest city have clashed again with federal agents outside a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement building that has become a new focus of the demonstrations that have gripped Portland for months, officials said Friday.

    People in a group of about 100 late Thursday and before dawn Friday sprayed the building with graffiti, hurled rocks and bottles at agents and shined laser lights at them, Portland police said in a statement.

    The agents set off smoke or tear gas and used crowd-control munitions to try to disperse the crowd, The Oregonian/OregonLive reported. Three people were arrested, police said in their statement.

    The violence came a day after protesters clashed with federal agents for the first time since July in a demonstration that also targeted the ICE building. Two people were arrested, and several officers suffered minor injuries."

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    1. They catalog the officers minor injuries but they say nothing about the protesters injuries.

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  16. From Palmer Report, concerning Trump funeral for his brother (who died while Trump was out playing golf):

    "Once the proceedings ended, a group of funeral attendees went directly to a restaurant, and proceeded to throw a fit when the restaurant couldn’t immediately accommodate a party of their size. When a waiter tried to explain the predicament, one of the funeral attendees punched the waiter in the face.


    This is all according to respected NBC News reporter Geoff Bennett, who says that no one from the Trump family was involved, but that the funeral attendees at the restaurant still had their funeral programs with them. It’s yet another banner day for Donald Trump and his associates; they can’t even hold a funeral PR stunt without turning the whole thing into a thuggish debacle."

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  18. Thanks dr jumba you promised and you did it god almighty will continue to bless you as you help people reunite their broken relationship and broken marriages .  I never thought I will smile again, My husband left me with two kids for one year, All effort to bring him back failed I thought I'm not going to see him again not until I met a lady called rose who told me about a spell caster called DR jumba, She gave me his email address and mobile number and I contacted him and he assured me that within 48hours my husband will come back to me, In less than 48hours my husband came back started begging for forgiveness saying it is the devils work, so I'm still surprise till now about this miracle,i couldn't conceive but as soon as the spell was cast,i became pregnant and gave birth to my third child,if you need any assistance from him you can contact him via: email:  wiccalovespelltools@gmail.com  or Call/WhatsApp him:  +19085174108  BLOG : blog : https://wiccaspelltools.blogspot.com/  
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  19. I have been suffering from a deadly disease (Hsv) for the past 3 years now, I had spent a lot of money going from one places to another, from churches to churches, hospitals have been my home every day residence. Constant checks up have been my hobby not until this faithful day, I was searching through the internet, I saw a testimony on how Dr Onokun helped someone in curing his (Hsv) herpes disease, quickly I copied his email which is Dronokunherbalcure@gmail.com just to give him a test I spoke to him, he asked me to do some certain things which I did, he told me that he is going to provide the herbal cure to me, which he did, then he asked me to go for medical checkup after some days after using the herbal cure, behold I was free from the deadly disease, he only asked me to post the testimony through the whole world, faithfully am doing it now, please brothers and sisters, he is great, I owe him in return. if you are having a similar problem just email him on : Dronokunherbalcure@gmail.com

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  20. Am Laura Mildred by name, i was diagnosed with Herpes 4 years ago i lived in pain with the knowledge that i wasn't going to ever be well again i contacted so many herbal doctors on this issue and wasted a large sum of money but my condition never got better i was determined to get my life back so one day i saw Mr. Morrison Hansen post on how Dr. Emu saved him from Herpes with herbal medicine i contacted Dr. Emu on his Email: Emutemple@gmail.com we spoke on the issue i told him all that i went through and he told me not to worry that everything will be fine again so he prepared the medicine and send it to me and told me how to use it, after 14 days of usage I went to see the doctor for test,then the result was negative, am the happiest woman on earth now thanks to Dr. Emu God bless you. Email him at: Emutemple@gmail.com Whats-app or Call him +2347012841542 

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