BABEL AND GOMORRAH: Donald J. Trump gets on the phone!

TUESDAY, JANUARY 5, 2021

But does he believe what he says?: Saturday morning, a C-Span caller from North Dakota taught an important anthropology lesson to that channel's viewers.

Aristotle is said to have said that man [sic] is the rational animal. In a modern adaptation, establishment pundits routinely say that we, the American people, are pretty sharp.

Within our culture, we humans tend to flatter ourselves in such ways. But then, along came the caller from Bismarck, explaining why he doesn't plan to get vaccinated against the coronavirus.

To review the caller's full statement, see yesterday's report. Here's the (highly instructive) closing passage:

JOHN FROM BISMARCK (1/2/20): Plus, I know this might sound kinda weird, but I'm a, I'm a movie buff, and I've watched World War Z and I Am Legend. And those movies, all that trouble came after people got the vaccinations. It wasn't disease that caused all the issues, it was the vaccination. So that's my thoughts.

In two Hollywood films, vaccination led to zombification. While he knew that his reasoning might sound weird, the caller cited this as part of his reason for eschewing vaccination.

Similar calls are fielded by C-Span every day of the week. They help us see the actual way many good, decent people perform their cogitations about events of this type.  

All too often, we the humans just aren't enormously sharp. A similar episode is reported today in the New York Times.

Why did that Wisconsin pharmacist deliberately spoil 500 doses of Covid vaccine last week? Here too, we receive an anthropology lesson concerning the way we people sometimes reason:

DEWAN AND NOLAN (1/5/20): A pharmacist who was arrested on charges that he intentionally sabotaged more than 500 doses of the Covid-19 vaccine at a Wisconsin hospital was “an admitted conspiracy theorist” who believed the vaccine could harm people and “change their DNA,” according to the police in Grafton, Wis., where the man was employed.

The police said Steven Brandenburg, 46, who worked the night shift at the Aurora Medical Center in Grafton, Wis., had twice removed a box of vials of the Moderna vaccine from the refrigerator for periods of 12 hours, rendering them “useless.”

“Brandenburg admitted to doing this intentionally, knowing that it would diminish the effects of the vaccine,” the police said.

The attempt to destroy precious doses of the vaccine came over the holidays as the state worked to administer vaccines quickly to frontline health care workers. As of Saturday, the state had received 159,800 doses of vaccines and had administered 64,657, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Although the Moderna product is sometimes described as a “genetic” vaccine, it does not alter a person’s genes in any way.

As President Reagan might have said, "There we went again!" Meanwhile, who knows? It's always possible that this fellow had been influenced by World War Z too!

How much of this type of cogitation is out there? It's hard to quantify a matter like that, but ideation associated with Trumpism has moved through a well-known chain of false-to-crazy beliefs.

It started with the belief that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. It moved to the belief that Hillary Clinton was holding children in sexual slavery in a Washington, D.C. pizza joint.

From there, the ideation moved on to the QAnon theory, according to which the world is run by a cabal of cannibalistic child abusers. Also, there's all those things the president said during his recent phone call.

Does Trump believe the various things he said during that midday call to Georgia, which lasted just over an hour? We'll admit that the crazy, pitiful call increased our sense that he quite possibly does believe the various things he's been saying of late.

Quite a few others have said the same thing about Trump in the past 48 hours. We'll post John Heilemann's assessment below, but first we'll offer this thought:

We were struck by the dumbness of President Trump—by his remarkable lack of intellectual sophistication—when we encountered one of the statements he made on the phone that day. Pitifully but typically, the commander-in-chief actually said this at one point:

TRUMP (1/2/20): Do you think it’s possible that they shredded ballots in Fulton County? Because that’s what the rumor is. And also that Dominion took out machines. That Dominion is really moving fast to get rid of their, uh, machinery. Do you know anything about that? Because that’s illegal...

Were ballots shredded in Fulton County? According to Trump, his inquiring mind wanted to know "because that’s what the rumor is!"

The commander in chief had heard a rumor; now he was checking it out. It was a wondrously unguarded remark, one which leads us back to our question:

Does he believe all this stuff?

It is possible that Donald J. Trump believes that he won the election?  We'll admit that Saturday's telephone call makes us think, once again, that he quite possibly does—that he actually is that disordered in the cognitive realm.

It seems to us that Donald J. Trump may really believe this stuff! But you don't have to take it from us. Below, you see what John Heilemann has now said.

Heilemann, a trusted guardian of upper-end script, was reciting for Nicole Wallace on yesterday's Deadline White House. When he got his chance to speak, he joined Nicole's two other guests in reciting the scripted claim that Trump sounded like a mafia don, mafioso or capo during the telephone call.

By now, that's mandated script. But as Heilemann continued, he tried to explain why Wallace had found the tape of the phone call so hard to listen too. You can watch the video here, but this is what Heilemann said:

HEILEMANN (1/4/20): Part of my thinking gets to what made it hard for you to listen to. There are a bunch of D-words that come to mind, right? 

There's the desperation in his voice. There's the derangement and the delusion. He clearly has come to believe more than he did months ago, back in like middle of November, he's clearly come to believe more, and reporting suggests that this is true, that he really actually believes these conspiracy theories now. 

This is not just a political ploy. He believes the craziest of the conspiracy theories now. 

According to Heilemann, Trump really believes his various claims at this point in time. Trump believes even the craziest claims, Heilemann said.

According to Heilemann, Trump really believed, when he spoke on the phone, that he actually won the Georgia election. He believed that hundreds of thousands of votes had been stolen or manufactured, and that the people to whom he was speaking were part of this large conspiracy.

According to Heilemann, the master commander believes these crazy claims. And as he extended his list of D-words, Heilemann noted a point of concern:

HEILEMANN (continuing directly): So the derangement, the delusion, the detachment from reality. The thing you said a second ago—he sounds damaged. 

He sounds like a damaged person, and there's something deeply upsetting and unnerving  about hearing a president of the United States in these final days when all of us are just like counting the minutes that we hope we can escape safely with the country intact by January 20. 

The level of damage that's on display here, you think to yourself, "What wouldn't this guy do?" And I think that's part of why the whole thing is so unnerving.

Trump sounds damaged, Heilemann said. This led him to pose a very good question—what wouldn't this damaged guy do?

Heilemann went on to mention one more D-word.  "Just how dumb could you be?" he asked, referring to Trump's decision to plead his case to the Georgia officials. 

In truth, we found ourselves asking that same question as Heilemann funneled his thoughts about the phone call into a string of D-words. But also, as he stated that point of concern:

      You think to yourself, "What wouldn't this [damaged] guy do?"  

For ourselves, we've long believed that that's an extremely good question. But Heilemann—dumb as a rock and twice as scripted—didn't consider the horrible possibility we ourselves have long had in mind.

We're focusing on one question today—does Trump believe his own twaddle? According to Heilemann, yes, he does—and also, Trump is damaged.

According to Heilemann, Trump's damaged state is "unnerving." But even at this very late date, Wallace didn't ask a psychologist or a medical specialist to comment on the commander's possible emotional and/or cognitive state. Nor did she explore the most important question as she chuckled along with her guests:

How dangerous might this disordered person actually turn out to be?

Tomorrow, we'll move ahead to that question, but also to the massive scripting which has dominated programs like Deadline White House in the past 48 hours. Over here, within Our Town, all the players know their lines, much as QAnon devotees know the outlines of their lunatic tales in this, our modern Babel.

In this, our modern Babel, the QAnon types recite their tales, as do the various political hacks who are enabling Trump in his endless claims and machinations.

Those political players—the Hawleys, the Cruzes—are sticking to their current scripts. So are the obedient players hauled out for Deadline White House.

Each group has its own language, assembled from first cousins to rumor. So goes this, our modern Babel, in these final days.

Tomorrow: "Lock him up!"


33 comments:

  1. "According to Heilemann, Trump really believed, when he spoke on the phone, that he actually won the Georgia election."

    No shit Sherlock. Everyone outside your zombie cult does.

    There are videos, y'know. Statistical anomalies. And, ultimately, good old common sense.

    You, dear Bob, speak like a dumb liberal-zombie here, we're sorry to say. Repair and restore your mind, dear, and get well.

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    1. Trump and his acolytes don't necessarily believe Democrats stole the election. They DO, however, think Democrats have stolen their country, by allowing women and non-white people into positions of power.

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    2. Trump is our President, because Democrats passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
      The passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 also answers Somerby's question of why they hate us.

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    3. "There are videos."

      Hehe. Another intellectual giant.

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    4. They released the Kraken. It was a large paper machet piƱata which when broken open released a torrent of over 60 failed legal documents, each summarily laughed at and dismissed far and wide by judges, many of the Republican ilk. It was a real spectacle, y’know.

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    5. Looks like your fearless leader and his selfless efforts have been the source of much Republican angst down in Georgia on election night. So sad!

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  2. "As President Reagan might have said, "There we went again!"

    Speaking of President Regan, once you accept his economic thinking as plausible, you've readied yourself to believe QAnon.

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  3. People often reach conclusions for various irrational reasons, often involving group think. Then they can cite reasons for these conclusions, some of which have been obtained from the media and other sources. They often can't distinguish between the reasons which may be at least partially rational and those which are absurd, such as the zombification one.

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  4. "In two Hollywood films, vaccination led to zombification."

    In WW Z, vaccination doesn't cause zombification. It is the bite of an infected person that does that, as with most zombie film.

    In I Am Legend, the zombies are caused by a plague, not vaccine either.

    These claims about vaccine are spreading on twitter and the internet, but they are not true. The content of these two movies is being distorted to fit people's current fears.

    It is interesting that Somerby didn't bother to verify John's claims, even though he says he has seen I am Legend himself. I've seen both of them and they do not say that a vaccine caused the outbreaks.

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  5. "Donald J. Trump gets on the phone! But does he believe what he says?"

    It doesn't matter what Trump believes. What he did was illegal.

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  6. In a bold move, Somerby pretends to call out right-wing conspiracy thinking, blaming the entire human race for the deluded thinking of those who have consumed alt-right propaganda.

    Then Somerby spreads some himself, saying that a film may be responsible for the idea that the vaccine is harmful, when that film NEVER ATTRIBUTES THE ZOMBIFICATION OF HUMANITY TO VACCINE AT ALL. Somerby believes the hype and uses it to blame Hollywood, instead of the right-wing noise machine, for spreading this crap.

    There is no question that this belief is harmful and will impede the control of this pandemic. Somerby should be pointing out the harm done by the right as it opposes both masks and vaccines. He should be correcting the fears, not adding to them by blaming movies, ones that don't even contain what he says they do.

    In this way, Somerby reveals his true motives. He isn't trying to help people stay safe. He is trying to label liberals as bad guys and blame them for the ignorance of those who watch Fox News and Alex Jones and now OANN and Newsmax. You can't pin this one on liberals, Somerby.

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    1. 12:21

      I don’t think Bob is reading Trump correctly in terms of maybe believing his own lies. Not quite. There’s another form of mental illness. From Mark Kingwell, from the intro to The Wage Slave’s Glossary, concerning this class of thinkers:

      “We might class them together under the technical term bullshit, set out by philosopher Harry Frankfurt:

      “The routine refusal to speak with regard to the truth is called bullshit because evasion of normativity—correctness being, after all, a standard external to one’s personal desires— produces a kind of ordure, a dissemination of garbage, the scattering of shit. This is why, Frankfurt argues, bullshit is far more threatening, and politically evil, than lying. The bullshitter “does not reject the authority of the truth, as the liar does, and oppose himself to it. He pays no attention to it at all. By virtue of this, bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are.”

      Most of the time, I think Bob has good points. Points which you don’t even seem to understand, most of the time.

      Leroy

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    2. It is probably true that one of us doesn't understand...

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  7. If you genuinely believe that the local store short-changed you, you don't get to burn the store down. There are ways to ask for your money back.

    Trump may believe every single debunked conspiracy theory about stolen votes, but that doesn't justify him calling and trying to overthrow an election. He has had numerous recounts and court cases and lost all of them. That doesn't give him the right to stage a coup or try to endrun the GA election (which would do nothing to put him in office, lacking any of the other swing states).

    What Trump has been doing is illegal. His motives don't matter. His actions are illegal. He belongs in jail.

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  8. "It's always possible that this fellow had been influenced by World War Z too!"

    Right. It's also possible, dear Bob, that he had plausible reasons to believe that the vaccine might cause harm.

    But of course when the NYT and CNN tell you that the vaccine is perfectly safe, only a lunatic would doubt it. Right?

    Right. And here's LA Times reporting:
    "At St. Elizabeth Community Hospital in Tehama County, fewer than half of the 700 hospital workers eligible for the vaccine were willing to take the shot when it was first offered. At Providence Holy Cross Medical Center in Mission Hills, one in five frontline nurses and doctors have declined the shot. Roughly 20% to 40% of L.A. County’s frontline workers who were offered the vaccine did the same, according to county public health officials.

    So many frontline workers in Riverside County have refused the vaccine — an estimated 50% — that hospital and public officials met to strategize how best to distribute the unused doses, Public Health Director Kim Saruwatari said.
    "

    A whole lot lunatics hospital workers, dear Bob, ain't it? Next time you're sick (God forbid), you better skip the hospitals and call CNN...

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    1. At this rate, we're going to run out of "Fuck Your Feelings" t-shirts before we run out of vaccines.

      #drinktheirtears

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    2. And millions of fools waste their money on lottery tickets and scratch offs at their local 7-11s every day, irrespective of how little they have in their bank accounts or the odds stacked against them. What’s your point, genius? Taking a survey of the local public opinion on a treatment and its risks/benefits has zero impact on said risks/benefits. Of course you live in a world of science denialism propagated by Fox idiots like Tucker Carlson. So stick to your guns and avoid the vaccine when it shows up in you neighborhood.

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  9. I read the entire transcript of Trump’s call. It read like one of his rally rants, full of lies and nonsensical claims, but with additions including pitiful pleadings for votes in the manner of an aggrieved child. And there were direct accusations that the Georgia Sec of State was a criminal for not giving the election to him. I highly recommend reading it. It really cheered me up. It’s a summation of Trump’s despicable character and life condensed to a single hour. It was true justice and great literature to read these Georgians concisely tell him he was full of shit. It was beautiful.

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  10. "It is possible that Donald J. Trump believes that he won the election?"

    ...incidentally, dear Bob, your zombie-cult's election fraud appears to be priced in for the today's election.

    You see, both races are polled as 50-50, which means that you cult's chance to win the senate is 25%. And yet the betting sites give your cult a 50% chance. Voting fraud is priced in, like in a typical banana republic. Interesting, yeah?

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    1. This whole election fraud meme has been an ongoing Trump/Republican obsession since his 2016 election. He even assembled a special Republican committee headed by a vocal Republican purveyor of the meme. Oh so sadly, the group disbanded after much failed effort without nary a peep. I guess enough time has now elapsed that we are supposed to forget their complete and utter failure at disclosing any such fraudulent activity. It’s a new day! Let’s call it Groundhog Day.

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  11. "Each group has its own language, assembled from first cousins to rumor. So goes this, our modern Babel, in these final days."

    Somerby isn't even trying. We are all using the same language. The things believed on the left are not akin to rumor because the left is the reality party, those who support science and strive for truth. That doesn't happen on the right, where lies are instruments to manipulate others and achieve their desired outcomes. This is a huge difference in how our shared language is being used.

    Somerby acts like he doesn't understand the difference between linguistics, psycholinguistics, semantics and semiotics. And he thinks he knows philosophy!

    Babel refers to a confusion of sounds. It has nothing to do with meaning, much less truth. We all use the same speech sounds. It is how we use them that matters.

    This kind of lazy garbage writing is why Somerby is so irritating.

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  18. Thanks to Dr OSAGIE for helping me increase the size of my Penis. I have been married for 10 years and due to my small Penis I was unable to satisfy my wife and that made us childless and my wife planned to leave me I was really disappointed with myself and I was also having weak erection I thought all my hope was gone not until I saw a testimony on how the same Dr OSAGIE helped someone increase his Penis size. I was desperate to do anything to regain my sex life back and I contacted him and he promise to help me so he gave me a herbal mixture which i was using and after three days I began to experience changes. I am writing this testimony not only because he has helped me increase the size of my Penis, I can now satisfy my wife and my wife is three months pregnant. All thanks to Dr OSAGIE if you are having a weak erection problem or small Penis size contact him with his email:drosagiesolutionhome5 @ gmail. com or whats app him +2347035866588.  

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  19. My husband and I have been having lots of problems living together, he never gives me attention or makes me happy because he has fallen in love with another woman outside our marriage. I tried my best to make sure that my husband leaves this woman but the more I talk to him about it the more he makes me feel sad and unhappy, My marriage started leading to divorce because he no longer gives me attention. I wanted to forget him but i love him and didn't want to lose him. We have been married for years and he is all I could call a true best friend and best in all, the man that handles my problems perfectly, the man that makes sacrifices for ,my happiness. I wanted him back in my life badly and I was so confused. My Friends told me to buy books about relationships, so I went online for relationship books while I came across a spell caster called Dr Emu. I read testimonies and reviews about him so I contacted him immediately, explained my problems to him. Same day , he casted a spell for me and assured me for 2 days that my husband will return to me and to my greatest surprise the third day my husband came knocking on my door and begged for forgiveness. I am so happy that my love is back again and not only that, we are about to get married again, he proposed. I wouldn't stop talking about him. Contact him today if you need his help via email: emutemple@gmail.com and you will see that your problem will be solved without any delay. Website: https://emutemple.wordpress.com/

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