FILLED FULL OF LEAD: Was Clifford threatened with physical violence?

WEDNESDAY, MARCH 28, 2018

Part 3—Idiocrats always believe they can tell:
In line with Plato's iconic analysis, have we tumbled through five levels of the world? Have we been hurled all the way down to life in an idiocracy?

To an idiocracy triggered, perhaps, by elite exposure to lead?

The evidence continues to mount! In this morning's New York Times, we seem to be told that the most read "story" across yesterday's nytimes.com was an opinion column in which a 97-year-old man argued that we should try to do something we all know can't possibly be done.

That seems to have the most read "story." Our sense of horror only deepened as we then encountered this:
The Conversation
FOUR OF THE MOST READ, SHARED AND DISCUSSED POSTS FROM ACROSS NYTIMES.COM

[...]

2. How Stormy Daniels Out-Trumped Trump
The day's second most-read story came from the Culture desk, where the television critic James Poniewozik assessed the "60 Minutes" interview given by the porn actress. Three of the top five reads on Tuesday concerned Ms. Daniels.
To its credit, the Times continues to post embarrassing reports about its own subscribers. To wit:

The deranged suggestion from the 97-year-old man seems to have been the "story" Times subscribers doted on most. After that, it was pretty much all Stephanie Clifford. It was The Sex, but also The Chase, pretty much all the way down!

To its credit, the Times keeps printing these exposes about its flailing subscribers. On the other hand, the Times comes out quite poorly itself in this latest report.

Good lord! Poniewozik's "story" about Clifford's interview came from the Times' "Culture desk!" According to an array of international experts, this bears the scent of idiocracy, perhaps resulting from lead.

Now we'll make an admission. Yesterday morning, an almost Sartrean nausea kept us from reading Poniewozik's "Culture desk" "story."

We first became nauseous on Monday night as we flipped through the "cable news" dial.

Rather quickly, we felt we had to turn cable off. We kept encountering displays like the one shown below, live from Anderson's Playpen.

We may have endured fifteen seconds of this. We'll highlight remarks from the brilliant barister who's now being hailed as a genius:
AVENATTI (3/26/18): Let's talk about Michael Cohen, what kind of man this is. This is the kind of guy who claimed in connection with that story that there's no such thing as spousal rape. This is a legal genius.

SCHWARTZ: Right.

AVENATTI: Right. Completely false. The guy doesn't even know the law. He's a thug.

SCHWARTZ: Right, right.

AVENATTI: Your friend is a thug.

SCHWARTZ: Well, thank you. That's a million dollars, a million dollars, a million dollars.

AVENATTI: Thug. Thug.

SCHWARTZ: You know what? You're a thug.

AVENATTI: Thug, thug. He's a thug. If he was here, I would tell it to his face.

SCHWARTZ: By the way, by the way you're doctored—you doctored your lie detector test, OK? No galvanic skin response. No, I got to say this, no galvanic skin response—

AVENATTI: Thug.

SCHWARTZ: —no arm band. By the way, the photo's doctored.

AVENATTI: Thug.
There's little doubt that Michael Cohen may perhaps seem like a bit of a "thug," or may sometimes seem to be perhaps somewhat thug-like.

That said, in which of Professor Turley's classes did his student acquire those skills? So one of our analysts sadly asked, as our panel of experts soberly told us this:

"That has the plain look of idiocracy. Idiocracy all the way down."

Nauseated by these widespread behaviors, we took a pass, the following morning, on Poniewozik's "Culture desk" story. With the help of our Starbucks barista/therapist, we felt strong enough to read it today.

Same old story, we thoughtfully said. Let's break this foolishness down.

Way back in 2006, Donald J. Trump and Stephanie Clifford did, or possibly even did not, have sex, on at most one occasion.

We don't have the slightest idea why anyone would care about that at this point. Indeed, the idiocrats, to a person, seem to say that they don't care about that.

Who cares about that? they thoughtfully say. They don't care about The Sex. They care about The Threat.

The Threat, of course, bears a special status; it's only an alleged threat. That means we don't know if it happened.

No one knows if this alleged threat actually occurred. But all across the current dial, the children are doing exactly what their counterparts have done in the past:

The children very much want to keep discussing The Sex! For that reason, the children keep finding ways to let them believe the accuser.

In the current circumstance, they get to talk about The Sex because of the claim about The Threat. For this reason, the children have set off on their latest stampede, in which they work to obscure a blindingly obvious fact:

Stephanie Clifford may be lying about The Threat!

Is she lying about The Threat? We have no way of knowing. But it's The Threat which currently keeps her thrilling story alive, helping the children maintain The Chase. And to state the blindingly obvious, yes—yes, she could be lying.

Yes, she actually could be lying! Consider some points you were barely permitted to ponder in yesterday's Washington Post.

Berman and Sellers produced a bottom-of-page 4 news report in the wake of Sunday evening's session in Anderson's Playpen. Early on, they described Clifford's claim that she was physically threatened as a "revelation," idiocratically failing to see that an allegation only becomes a "revelation" if it's known to be true.

Within an idiocracy, journalism functions that way. The simplest distinctions known to the race are beyond the reach of the journalists.

The scribes had stumbled right out of the gate. For the record, the headline said this:
After Daniels's TV interview, Trump associate denies account of threats
That was "threats," in the plural. Don't ask. At any rate:

Michael Cohen's attorney had said there had been no threats. Making a long, stupid story short, we come to paragraphs 15-17, where a close associate of Daniels finally says this:
BERMAN AND SELLERS (3/27/18): Randy Spears, an old friend of Daniels’s who performed with her in many Wicked Pictures productions and helped her sell her story to Bauer Publishing, InTouch’s owner, in 2011, said she never told him about the Las Vegas threat described on “60 Minutes.”

“It could have happened and I just wasn’t privy to it,” said Spears, whose real name is Greg Deuschle.

Spears said he doubts Daniels has more evidence to produce, recalling how eager they were to substantiate the interview when it was quashed in 2011. “That would have been the perfect time to say ‘I have some texts, photos’,” Spears recalled. “She would have produced it.”
Spears could be wrong about all of that, of course. That said, there's no sign that Clifford mentioned the alleged physical threat to anyone back in the day, when it's alleged to have happened.

That doesn't mean that that it didn't occur. It helps us understand that it might not have happened, unless we [HEART] those accusers so much that nothing will ever let us see that this treasured claim might be invented.

Was Stephanie Clifford physically threatened? Like you, like all the children, we have no way of knowing. We do know that, in print editions, the Berman-Sellers news report closed with a wonderful irony.

The children don't want heroic Clifford "silenced." That said, who's zoomin' who?:
BERMAN AND SELLERS: After the Wall Street Journal broke the news of the $130,000 payment and agreement in a January 2018 report, Cohen released a statement bearing Daniels’s signature that denied the affair and the settlement report. Another signed statement was released before Daniels appeared on “Jimmy Kimmel Live.”

Daniels said on “60 Minutes” that these denials were untrue but that she signed them “because they made it sound like I had no choice.” However, she did not elaborate on whether the “they” meant Cohen or her own representatives at the time. When the second statement was released, a representative for Daniels, Gina Rodriguez, told The Washington Post that it was signed in front of her and Keith Davidson, Daniels’s then-attorney.

Davidson, now Daniels’s former attorney, said in a statement that he could not speak publicly until Daniels waived attorney-client privilege, but that he looked forward to correcting the record soon.

“I am not at liberty at this time to respond in a point-by-point fashion,” he said. “Suffice to say, I do not believe that the assertions in Ms. Daniels’ ‘60 Minutes’ interview represents a fair and accurate description of the situation.”
Wonderful clownistry! Even as the children moan about the "silencing" of Clifford, Clifford continues to silence her former attorney! She won't let him say that some of what she's currently saying is—what's the word—untrue!

He isn't asking for any money. He just wants the right to speak.

Was Stephanie Clifford physically threatened in 2011? Has she ever been threatened at all?

(If she was so frightened in 2011, why was she trying to sell her story again, this time to Slate, in 2016? These are the types of question Anderson forgot to ask!)

Like you, like all the stampeding children, we have no way of knowing the answers to these basic questions. Unlike our stampeding journalists, we don't believe patheticisms like this:
LAWRENCE (3/26/18): Jennifer, I want to get your reaction to what you saw on 60 Minutes last night, and are you in the 62 percent who believe Stormy Daniels perhaps? And where do you think we are in this story now?

RUBIN: Yeah, I'm definitely in the 62 percent!

Listen, I admire her as a woman who made her life in film, but I don't think she's that good an actress.

I think it's very hard to come across as she did, with the inflection, with the body language. You know when someone is telling you something that's true, and I think that was evident to most everyone who was watching, with the exception of the real Kool-Aid drinkers of Donald Trump.
Was it evident to everyone that Clifford was telling the truth? We think Trump is deeply disordered and profoundly dangerous, and it wasn't evident to us at all!

According to Rubin, "You know when someone is telling you something that's true!" Essentially, everyone from Poniewozik and Paskin on down has been sifting and selecting the facts and the logic to advance that basic impression:

Heroically, Clifford is telling the truth! The children are able to tell!

Clifford may be telling the truth, but she could also be lying. Having made this obvious statement, we'll add this:

We're so old that we can remember an earlier time, when an idiocratic stampede much like this one took off.

The press corps [HEART] accusers! Way back then, they all could tell that the new accuser, NAME WITHHELD, was wonderfully telling them things that were true!

They stood in line to swear on Bibles that this new well-dressed accuser was being masterfully truthful. They stood in line to say they could tell. Rubin joined that same line on Monday night, speaking to glorious Lawrence.

Way back when, with that other accuser, the children got burned very badly. That's why this early sign of idiocracy has been thoroughly disappeared.

You aren't allowed to know it happened. Tomorrow, we plan to refresh you.

Tomorrow: NAME WITHHELD was telling the truth. To a person, the children could tell!

37 comments:

  1. Here's the link to the article Bob references about recommending something that can't be done
    John Paul Stevens: Repeal the Second Amendment
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/27/opinion/john-paul-stevens-repeal-second-amendment.html

    Stevens's article would make more sense if it recommended the SC revising their opinion about what the 2nd Amendment means. But, there's no chance at all of enacting a Constitutional amendment that almost half the country would strongly oppose.

    Regarding Bob's main point, here's some real news that got less attention than it deserved:

    Calling the situation in Syria's Eastern Ghouta "a travesty," US Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley admonished the Russian government Tuesday for "deception, hypocrisy and brutality" on behalf of President Bashar al-Assad.

    "I would ask my Security Council colleagues to consider whether we are wrong when we point to Russian and Iranian forces working alongside Assad as being responsible for this slaughter," said Haley, who further accused the Russian government of exploiting UN ceasefire negotiations to help Assad advance his campaign against opposition forces.
    "Russia cynically negotiated a ceasefire it instantly defied," she said.


    Maybe this story generated less interest because it tends to refute the narrative that Trump is under Putin's thumb.

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    1. The only story that generated any interest from "Bob" is the Stormy Daniels story. Apparently, that's all Somerby will blog about, from here to eternity.

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    2. Mr Trump allows his subordinates to criticize Russia all the time. But he himself never criticizes Uncle Vova.

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    3. Caesar == Trump just ordered a bunch of Russian diplomats out of the country. Several other countries followed suit. America-supported allies are fighting against Russia-supported allied in the middle east. Trump sold Patriot missiles to Russia, something Obama refused to do.

      The narrative that Trump is under Putin's thumb never made sense. It's now entirely refuted by Trump's significant actions

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    4. Send an email to Mueller, David.

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    5. David, the Patriot missiles -- sold to Ukraine, not Russia! -- mean profits for defense contractors.

      But notice what I said: Mr Trump never criticizes Uncle Vova. Never. Even when the US government acts against the Russian government, Mr Trump doesn't criticize Uncle Vova.

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    6. Actually, Trump reluctantly followed suit after other countries ordered Russian diplomats out of their countries, but don't let facts get in the way of your Trump-fluffing narrative.

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    7. I just cannot believe how bean counter DinC sets up these mathematical proofs where he begins with 2+2 = INFINITY, dumps it over here, takes a long drag from his pipe and sits back with a self-satisfied grin.

      entirely refuted

      Yeah, sure comrade.

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  2. "an opinion column in which a 97-year-old man argued that we should try to do something we all know can't possibly be done."

    "The deranged suggestion from the 97-year-old man"

    Who was this 97-year-old man, and what was his "deranged" suggestion? Oh yes:

    "John Paul Stevens:
Repeal the Second Amendment"

    This caused horror in "liberal" Bob Somerby, who doesn't even have the decency to mention the former Supreme Court justice's name, or do anything but dismiss his op-ed as the ravings of a madman.

    Perhaps the horror Bob Somerby felt was because his beloved Sex story was not number one.

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  3. It's not deranged to propose something that can't happen yet. Maybe some day the Second Amendment can be repealed.

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    1. The Second Amendment could be amended. Far more likelihood of success.

      Can't help it, I'm going to post this again.

      http://www.stonekettle.com/2015/06/bang-bang-sanity.html

      Leroy

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    2. I noticed that Jim didn't seem to have any problems with anonymous commenters in the comments to your cite. By the way, I looked for a comment from you since you've cited it twice with approval.

      Perhaps you used a different pseudonym then.

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  4. Wonder how that Starbucks barista feels about being used as a therapist by friendless Bob the Rage Blogger?

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  5. The story gained so much popularity on the New York Times not because of the sex but because of the important issue about non-disclosure agreements it has raised. Man has been doing it for far too long. ThisThis is This is one of the most important issues we face as a country .

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  6. michael from BaltimoreMarch 28, 2018 at 1:50 PM

    I believe nauseated would be more correct than nauseous in the above use.(sorry for the pedantry)

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  7. Joseph Cannon reviews the circumstantial evidence in support of Clifford's claims:

    http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2018/03/lets-ask-keith-schiller-about-those.html

    Somerby seems to be holding out for a standard of evidence that doesn't exist in most trials by jury. He further seems perfectly willing to treat Clifford's story as false when no one can possibly know for certain what happened. He doesn't reserve judgment -- he lumps her in with women known to have made false accusations. He is in effect saying that without certain proof that the threat happened, he will disbelieve it. That isn't anything like an open mind. Then he presents an interview in which Avenatti calls Cohen a thug, as if that reflects badly on Avenatti. A strong case can be made that Cohen is, objectively, a thug. But Somerby seems to think this discredits Avenatti, whose job is to represent his client.

    Then we have Davidson, who claims he cannot speak about Clifford's case but says that her interview is fishy. Josh Marshall described the interconnection between Davidson, McDaniels and Clifford, suggesting that he may have steered her to sign an agreement that was in Trump's interests and not her own. Somerby never considers whether Davidson might have been working for Trump/Cohen, not Clifford.

    Somerby is not only defending Trump (in the guise of being fair-minded) but picking and choosing excerpts from interviews to smear Clifford and her attorney (in the guise of media criticism). Yet he claims to be a liberal. What is wrong with this picture?

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  8. Today's NY Times had an interesting opinion piece about the origins of white male rage that motivated shootings and terrorist acts, written by a Professor of Sociology who studied such men in the 1980s and 1990s. He attributes it to anger over the change from a manufacturing based to a service based economy. He says that men can no longer use their work to feel masculine and blame women for the change. Kevin Drum seems to think robots are to blame but these disaffected men have not targeted robots (perhaps because when the threat is to one's feeling of masculinity, it is more natural to blame women). The obvious implication is that this is going to get worse as automation and AI accelerate this change in the nature of work. Men urgently need to find some other way of defining their masculinity because women are not going to back off their demands for equal treatment and control of misogyny and domestic violence. Currently the conflict is being displaced onto immigrants and people of color, but how long will that continue when the core of the issue is a threat to manhood and simmering hatred of women? This is why Somerby's current series of posts is so troubling.

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    1. It's much more deep them just thinking men can snap their fingers and redefine their masculinity. It's much, much more deeper than that. Men are killers. Were used to killing. Getting up every morning and killing to support our families or being killed by something else. It was like that for a long time. The writer is correct. It's a problem that comes from the advancement of Technology. Men are not asked to do what they are wired to do. Kill. I know that's very generic and basic. But that's a starting point for you to understand the situation and how deep it is within man. And sex too. Bob had pointed out what Andrew Sullivan wrote about men having 10 times as much testosterone as women which speaks to how we are also wired to fuck. To pursue women and fuck them. .Men are predators. There's no doubt about it. But this is not a conscious thing for a man. This is So, so deep inside a man. Asking a man to change it is asking like a zebra to change its stripes.

      It's a huge problem. I just want you to understand how deep a problem it is for a man. And that many men care and want to do the right thing by women and want the world to spin smoothly on its axis and for things to be great but we are in a position that is extremely difficult as technology has completely squeezed very primordial and basic parts of our natures.

      Which is to kill and fuck and eat and burp.

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    2. @6:47--Graduating from high school soon?

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    3. What does operating a lathe instead of selling burgers have to do with killing?

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    4. You're not super smart are you? Think about it. What do those guys do when they get home from working those jobs? They turn on their computer video game and do what? Play a game that consists mainly of what? Killing. Then what do they do? They fire up an internet porn site and do what? Fuck. Then they turn on cable TV and watch an action movie where the characters do what? Kill.

      We don't live direct lives anymore. We live through media. So they don't really kill when they're flipping burgers. But it's all they think about because it's so deep inside them as it is all men

      What happens in almost all movies? Killing and fucking.

      Video games are mostly killing.

      Laugh all you want.

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  9. "Nauseated by these widespread behaviors"

    'Nauseated' sounds about right. Why don't you turn this shit off, and watch/read some other, less nauseating shit instead?

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    1. Awww, ... endlessly-repetitive stupid, snowflake Russian troll needs a safe space and the dingy cubicle isn't cutting it.

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