BREAKING: Is Donald J. Trump maybe crazy or nuts?

MONDAY, MARCH 19, 2018

"Don't ask, don't tell," scribes advise:
Once again, people are wondering about the mental health of our current president.

Over the weekend, Jonathan Chait offered a useful post which touched upon this topic. As he started, he compared a former well-known historical figure to our own current leader, Donald J. Trump:
CHAIT (3/17/18): A history professor of mine once attempted to explain to our class why Adolf Hitler invaded the Soviet Union, when the virtual impossibility of a land invasion of a country as vast as Russia was already well known in 1941. The answer, he concluded, was that Hitler was put on earth to invade Russia. His loathing of Bolshevism, his twisted Darwinian mania for the acquisition of land and resources, and his fixation with his own military genius all led him to a decision that was both inevitable and impossible.

This is a good way to think about President Trump’s approach toward the Robert Mueller investigation.
Chait recalled a crazy, self-destructive decision by Adolf Hitler. According to Chait, this manifestly crazy decision resulted from a "twisted mania" on Hitler's part. Also, from his "fixation with his own genius."

"Twisted manias" and "fixations with genius" don't sound like markers of good mental health. In the case of this former world leader, they led to a manifestly crazy, self-destructive act.

According to Chait, this famous historical event gives us a way to think about Trump. It seems to us that Chait's right.

Key point! As Chait continues, he quickly says that he's "not drawing any moral parallel between" these two world leaders. "Trump is not a Nazi or a fascist," Chait also says.

You can judge that last claim yourselves, but Chait is directing us to a key point. Donald J. Trump, the American president, may not be mentally well.

Could Trump be involved in some form of "mental illness?" As he continues his post, Chair refers to Trump's "demonstrated pathologies," even to "his madness."

He says that Trump's recent behavior "displays a reckless disregard for even his own self-preservation." We don't know if that is true, but Chait's making a basic point:

Donald J. Trump, the American president, may be "mentally ill," or something like it. This calls to mind some peculiar advice we all got at the start of the year.

This advice came from several quarters. We'll concentrate on just two, beginning with a post by Josh Marshall.

On January 6, Marshall wrote a post in which he said we shouldn't attempt to discuss Trump's mental health. In the course of his post, he said that Trump is "frequently either frighteningly out of touch with reality or sufficiently pathological in his lying that it is impossible to tell." And yet, headline included, he started off like this:
MARSHALL (1/6/18): Is President Trump Mentally Ill? It Doesn’t Matter

We are now back on to the feverish debate about whether or not Donald Trump is mentally ill or suffering from the onset of dementia. The most important thing to know about this debate is that it simply doesn’t matter. Diagnoses are something for trained professionals and even they are challenged to make them without a proper in-person examination. But again, it doesn’t matter.
According to Marshall, it doesn't matter if Trump is mentally ill. According to Marshall, we'll learn nothing from a discussion of that possibility that we can't learn just as well by seeing the things Trump does.

We thought that argument was somewhat nuts. But five days later, the New York Times editorial board pretty much borrowed his stuff:
NEW YORK TIMES EDITORIAL (1/11/18): Is Mr. Trump Nuts?

Is Donald Trump mentally fit to be president of the United States? It's an understandable question, and it's also beside the point.

Understandable because Mr. Trump's behavior in office—impulsive, erratic, dishonest, childish, crude—is so alarming, and so far from what Americans expect in their chief executive, that it cries out for a deeper explanation.

It's beside the point not because a president's mental capacity doesn't matter, nor because we should blindly accept our leaders' declarations of their own stability, let alone genius. Rather, we don't need a medical degree or a psychiatric diagnosis to tell us what is wrong with Mr. Trump. It's obvious to anyone who listens to him speak, reads his tweets and sees the effects of his behavior...
The board went on and on from there, arguing that we shouldn't waste our time discussing this topic. If memory serves, other pundits weighed in at this time, expressing the same point of view.

We never got around to discussing these posts at the time; this omission has bugged us ever since. Chait's renewed concern about Trump's mental health called these past essays to mind.

You can read those two posts for yourselves. For ourselves, we think the argument they make is very weak, but also quite familiar.

Introducing psychiatry into politics would of course be perilous. Any such discussion would have to be undertaken with great care, not a strong suit of our press corps.

That said, the idea that we could learn nothing from such a discussion strikes us as slightly insane. Sadly, it also seems familiar, in this familiar way:

Again and again, our discourse seems to built around the rolling refusal to discuss important topics. We don't discuss major policy matters. We don't discuss the work of the press.

At the start of the year, we were now told that we shouldn't discuss the state of the president's mental health. He seems to be nuts, the pundits said. But what more can we learn beyond that?

In recent decades, our society has featured two dueling bromides. Within the press corps, "See something, say something" tends to lose out. "Don't ask, don't tell" tends to prevail.

35 comments:

  1. "Is Donald J. Trump maybe crazy or nuts?" We wouldn't even be asking that question if you had campaigned harder for Clinton here on your blog. It would have propelled her in to victory.

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    1. You do not understand that the point of Bob's blog, as stated at the top of the page, is to present his "musings on the mainstream 'press corps' and the American discourse." This is not so much of a political blog.

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    2. Where have I heard that before?

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    3. "This is not so much of a political blog."

      Except those times, like every third post, when Somerby tries to give political advice to lazy, dumb, immoral liberals who need to love and respect The Others (i.e. conservatives) in order to win elections.

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  2. "Chait recalled a crazy, self-destructive decision by Adolf Hitler."

    Sure, sure. Also, Napoleon Bonaparte. And Genghis Khan. Not to mention Polish–Lithuanian, Swedish, and other, less known invasions.

    Unfortunate liberal zombies stumbling around, desperately searching for answers, scratching what's left of their exploded heads...

    Hitler! Of course! Case solved.

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    1. One could argue Bonaparte had mental problems too.

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    2. How about your formal ruler, Uncle Josef, "Mao" ?

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    3. Unfortunate, miserable dime-a-dozen trolls like Boris here stumbling around in the darkness, desperately searching for a kerosene lantern to illuminate the dank, smelly office enough for Boris to find his/hers/its dank smelly cubicle and the reassuring amber glow of the CRT. You see, Boris's favorite marmalade turnip has belatedly and reluctantly sanctioned Boris's boss and the Internet Research Agency and Pootie spent all the roubles allocated to the IRA for his "presidential campaign" and there's nothing left to pay the light bill. It's enough to make dime-a-dozen Boris's head explode and apparently, based on this comment, it has.

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  3. Does it matter if the entire Republican Party and Movement Conservativism is nuts? It would explain a lot, but it probably still doesn't matter.

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  4. Not sure that "The Others" would react any better to journalists speculating whether Trump is crazy than they do when those same journalists accuse him of lying.

    And how exactly would such speculation go?
    MSM journalist #1: I think Trump may be crazy. Look what he said about his inauguration crowd. And how he promises to sign bills then immediately reneges.
    MSM journalist #2: Perhaps he is lying. He claimed in his "book" that he often did that as a tactic.
    MSM journalist #1: he just must be crazy. No sane person would act like that.
    MSM journalist #2: What evidence do you have?
    MSM journalist #1: Just a gut feeling.

    Meanwhile, what do his supporters hear? More lies and attacks from the media. And the distinction between lie and crazy won't make a bit of difference.

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    1. If his supporters continue to support him, they are disordered too.

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    2. Deplorable, I'd say.

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    3. Lying and being crazy are not mutually exclusive.

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  5. When people are being treated for mental disorders, it doesn't matter what the diagnostic label is (except for insurance purposes). What matters is how the person and their family copes with their problems. Our country must cope with Trump and his problems, regardless of why he is behaving as he does. We elected him and until he is removed from office, we are stuck with him and must mitigate the harm he does.

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  6. Do you think Mueller will drop the charges if he finds out Trump is insane?

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  7. Let's see: the press, when chronicling a) the Mueller probe and b) the corruption of the Trump Administration, has been derided by Somerby for engaging in "The Chase" and he has said, mockingly in reference to this, "please please please arrest the others cause we liberals can't win", but he suggests discussing the unprovable, possibly fruitless discussion of Trump's sanity as the way to go?

    Does that even make sense?

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  8. Liberals imagine that they're tolerant. They accept behavior of people from different cultures, even when that behavior would be crazy or evil when practiced by themselves. E.g., many liberals defend female genital mutilation by Muslims.

    But, tolerance flies out the window when it comes to Republicans, especially Trump. Trump talks differently than liberals do, so he must be another Hitler. Sorry to keep repeating, but I haven't seen Bob or commenters here point to crazy actions by Trump. Their only evidence of insanity is his way of speech. And, not so incidentally, his unusual speech and tweets have been pretty successful. Among other things, they led to his winning the nomination, winning the Presidency, and getting NK to temporarily cease nuclear development and negotiate a permanent end to nukes.

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    1. I have seen very little tolerance of liberals from conservatives, David.

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    2. This is a rather nasty slur: "many liberals defend female genital mutilation by Muslims".

      Prove it.

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    3. Here's a link from the liberal Guttmacher Institute that does not blast FGM as an unalloyed evil, although it does make a case against it. There's an unwillingness to flat-out state that some African societies are behaving barbarically by using this practice. https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/ipsrh/1997/09/female-circumcision-rite-passage-or-violation-rights

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    4. If you call people barbaric they stop listening and you have no chance to persuade them to stop their barbaric practices. You are criticizing means or tactics not values or goals.

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    5. I read the article you cited.

      There is not one word supporting your vicious lie that many liberals support genital mutilation. In fact, the Clinton administration provided asylum to an African woman attempting to avoid a forced marriage requiring genital mutilation. In addition, "More recently, calls to action by Western feminists and human rights activists have provoked similar negative reactions [to stopping genital mutilation."

      Nor does the article support your bigoted assertion implying that Muslims are the sole or even primary mutilators: "Female circumcision is currently practiced in at least 28 countries stretching across the center of Africa north of the equator; it is not found in southern Africa or in the Arabic-speaking nations of North Africa, with the exception of Egypt. Female circumcision occurs among Muslims, Christians, animists and one Jewish sect, although no religion requires it.... Although female circumcision is often thought to be associated with Islam, it predated Islam in Africa. Neither the Koran, the primary source for Islamic law, nor the "hadith," collections of the sayings of the Prophet Mohammed, include a direct call for the practice."

      You transparent attempt to bluff your way through 6:55's challenge to "prove it" show you either as seriously-disordered or like your idol, a serial liar, or most likely, both. In other words, nothing new.

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    6. David,
      I 100% agree that Trump is no crazier or nuttier than your standard Republican/ Conservative. He's your standard degenerate, who brings all the bigotry, and ignorance of economics and history that republican voters can depend on.

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    7. “Here's a link from the liberal Guttmacher Institute that does not blast FGM as an unalloyed evil…”

      Boy, David, you pulled this wriggly whopper deep out of your ass.

      So, challenged to produce evidence of your nasty nonsense that “many” liberals fail to condemn genital mutilation, you scour the web and yet are only able to cite a single 21-year-old article published by a random, semi-obscure institute where the author gives an antiseptic academic analysis of the issue, rather than blasting the practice with the colorful, condemnatory language you are so used to from your “news” sources. That’s your proof?

      You’re nothing if you are not a disgusting, disingenuous troll.

      And by the way, did you see this at the bottom of the article you linked to:

      “DISCLAIMER
      The views expressed in this publication do not necessarily reflect those of the Guttmacher Institute.”

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    8. To be fair now, Comrade DinC, you're going to have to start using his alias when referring to the president now, President Trump, aka David Dennison. I'm not exactly sure how this works, I don't think we've ever had a president with a genuine alias. Any insight you can provide will be greatly appreciated.

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  9. Six months after Hitler invaded Soviet Union, he declared war on United States.

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    1. You left out Mussolini.

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  10. There are a couple of reasons why discussing Mr. Trump's mental health is pointless and perhaps counterproductive.

    1. As noted by Anonymous at 5:36 PM, we have to deal with whatever he does, regardless of whatever he is.

    2. Along with being anti-science (or anti-scientists), many if not most Trump voters are anti-psychiatry (and definitely anti-psychiatrist). I'm pretty sure that dwelling on Mr. Trump's mental health will not sit well with the left-behinds that Mr. Somerby so desperately wants us to entice.

    That having been said, I'm pretty sure that everyone who is not a dyed-in-the-wool Trump supporter already knows that we are effectively being governed by lunatics (with any remaining shreds of sanity being only due to inertia, or, as conservatives call it, The Deep State). Is there really any doubt about that?

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    AND I HAVE NEVER VOTED LEFT. I AM NOT COMMUNIST. BUT WHEN I SEE BASTARD RACIST, HITLERIAN, MANIPULATIVE, DISHONEST, ANTIDEMOCRATIC TONGUES CUTTER LIKE YOU, BE SURE, I USUALLY BRING OUT THE VERY VERY BERY BEST OF ME ALL THE TIMES! AND YOU'LL SEE IT REAL SOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FUCK OF DONAZISTRUM'S USA, FUCK YOU, FUCK OFF, LAND OF NAZISM, I HOPE GOD WILL CANCEL YOU WITH AN ENORMOUS METEOR, FUCK YOUUUUU!
    PS
    YOU BRAY, YOU GRUNT, YOU SQUAWK THAT DONALD TRUMP IS THE NEW DUX OF THE WORLD, IS NEW ADOLPH HITLER ON EARTH, SO CAN USE FBI LIKE A COVEN OF MUPPETS. MANIPULATING EVTG, GTG KILLED WHO DOES NOT STAY UNDER HIS NAZIST AND MAFIOSE SOLES, PROMOTING, INSTEAD, HIS BRAINLESS AND INVERTEBRATE SLAVES AND BITCHES (LIKE YA). YOU DID NOT NEED TO BRAY, GRUNT, SQUAWK THAT AT ALL. NOTHING IS MORE EVIDENT THAN THAT IN THIS WORLD. ALL YOU STINKY NAZIRACIST KUKLUKKLANIST, EITHER HAVE CHIEFS OF FBI, CIA, SEC, WTVR YOU WANT, UNDER YOUR ASSASSIN SHOES, EITHER YOU FIRE THEM.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/donald-trump-control-us-justice-system-hillary-clinton-fair-trial-reminds-me-of-adolf-hitler-nazi-a8059031.html
    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/this_week_in_trump/2017/05/under_investigation_trump_fired_fbi_chief_james_comey.html
    https://news.sky.com/story/did-trump-fire-fbi-chief-to-cover-up-russia-10870950
    https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/5/23/15680508/firing-fbi-directors-comey-trump-hoover-sessions
    WOW, WHAT A COINDICENCE: MEGA ASSASSIN DICTATORS LIKE YOU, ALIAS ADOLPH HITER, BENITO MUSSOLINI, ALFREDO STROESSNER, FRANCISCO FRANCO, AUGUSTO PINOCHET, POL POT, NICOLAE CEAUSESCU USED TO DO EXACTLY THE SAME. WOW, WHAT AN INTERESTING COINCIDENCE, WOOOOOOW! FUCK YOU, NAZIST ASSASSIN MONICA KOWAL FROM UNM UNIVERSITY OF NEW MEXICO, YOU ARE NEW ILSE KOCK OF THE WEB. GO TO SUCK DONALD "DONAZISTRUMP" POWERLESS COCK, NEW ILSE COCK OF WEB: MONICA KOWAL FROM UNM, UNIVERSITY OF NEW MEXICO! AND FUCK YOURSLF MUCH MORE TOO, SO YOU MAY RELAX A BIT, KILLING, HITLERIAN, MAFIOSA BITCH OF NEW COSA NOSTRA'S AND NEW GHESTAPO'S OF WEB. WHO DREAMS TO INTIMIDATE US ( YOU MAY INTIMIDATE MEGA BITCH OF YOUR MOTHER, YOU MAY INTIMIDATE MEGA PEDOPHILE OF YOUR FATHER, YOU MAY INTIMIDATE MEGA BITCH OF YOUR DAUGHTER, YOU MAY INTIMIDATE MEGA PEDERAST OF YOUR SON, BUT BE SUPER SUPER SUPER EXTRA SURE: NEVER US AT ALL... AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IMMEDIATELY)!
    PS
    WE DID NOT WANT TO WRITE ANYTHING ANYMORE ABOYT YOU, HAVING ALREADY HEAVILY BEATEN YOU, WON YOU, GIVEN YOU A VERY DUE LESSON OF DEMOCRACY AND FREEDOM OF EXPRESSING AND SHOWING TALENTS. BUT SINCE YOU MOVE YOUR GHESTAPO'S, OVRA'S, DINA'S VICIOUS AGENTS TO PROVOKE US AND TO (TRY TO) INTIMIDATE US ON THE STREETS OF MANY COUNTRIES OF DIFFERENT CONTINENTS OF THE WORLD, NOW YES, WE'LL WRITE BOUTCHAAA DAYS AND NIGHTS, NIGHTS AND DAYS DAYS AND NIGHTS, NIGHTS AND DAYS. " 422 DAYS A YEAR, 35 DAYS A MONTH, 26 HOURS A DAY". WAIT AND SEE, STINKY COCKSUCKER OF MEGA COCAINE TAKER, NAZIST, MAFIOSO, ASSASSIN, PEDOPHILE DONALD TRUMP ALIAS DONAZISTRUMP. STINKY COCKSUCKER OF MEGA COCAINE TAKER, NAZIST, MAFIOSO, ASSASSIN, PEDOPHILE SILVIO BERLUSCONI. COCKSUCKER OF OF MEGA COCAINE TAKER, NAZIST, MAFIOSO, ASSASSIN, PEDERAST, WELL KNOWN CRIMINAL PAOLO BARRAI BORN IN MILAN ON 28.6.1965, FAMOUS ALL OVER THE WORLD AS "IL PERICOLOSISSIMO PEDOFILO DEL BITCOIN"!

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