Adams describes one of the groups!

MONDAY, JUNE 1, 2020

You may not hear this on cable:
Eric Adams is Brooklyn borough president. Before that, he spent 22 years in the NYPD.

In this interview with New York magazine
, he describes who you're currently seeing each night in scenes from Gotham's streets:
ADAMS (6/1/20): We’re at a unique place, and many people don’t understand: The righteous protesters who deal with police abuse—what’s different now is that we have professional agitators, and their goal is not police abuse but to burn our cities. And that’s why you see fire-bombings—the people who are doing the Molotov cocktails. These are professionals who know how to do incendiary devices. They carry bags of rocks and stones so they can resupply agitators. We found a vehicle on Eastern Parkway in Crown Heights that had incendiary devices, a trunkful of gasoline. New York may not realize it, but they’ve never been here before. I’ve been speaking with some of the organizers and telling them they have to identify the people who are from outside the city that are here to hijack their movement, to destroy and harm the city.
Last night, someone on cable defined the three groups now in the streets. Those three groups are these:
The protesters
The agitators/arsonists
The looters
In the passage posted above, Adams is discussing the second group. We can't tell you much about any of this, and some of our stars seem to be trying to keep our tribe from breaking through the Pabulum Curtain.

On CNN and MSNBC, you're being deluged with propaganda which says that the looters are only stealing all that stuff because they're so hurt and upset. When others see our tribunes saying such things, they line up to vote against whoever our tribe prefers.

That interview with Adams is well worth reading. In our view, Cuomo and Lemon spent hours last night turning our brains to mush.

More on the agitators:
The next exchange reads like this:
NEW YORK MAGAZINE: So are those people sympathetic to the cause or are they alt-right people, or something else?

ADAMS: No, they’re—I think it’s an interesting combination, with similar goals at opposite ends of the spectrum. There are far-right people who want to see a race riot between cops and young blacks, and they’re doing everything they can to aggravate that, throwing stones, throwing liquid substances that burn the skin. And then there are these sorta anarchists who are saying We want to destroy government, because government has been unfair, as they see it, to the poor. You have this mixture that’s really infiltrated these organizations.
Adams is Brooklyn borough president. There's every chance that he knows whereof he speaks. Or you can listen to Lemon as he flogs his disappointment with his know-nothing Hollywood friends.

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  1. "Adams is Brooklyn borough president. There's every chance that he knows whereof he speaks."

    He sounds very much like a garden variety dembot, a flunky of your liberal-nazi cult, dear Bob.

    And as such, he sure knows very well what he's doing: spewing garden variety goebbelisian propaganda.

    In reality, as we all (no doubt) understand, your liberal-nazi cult's non-stop inflammatory hate-mongering and race-war propaganda predictably created all this.

    You know this, dear Bob, right?

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  2. There is a fourth group too. It is young men who think it is exciting to do property damage and join a surging mob, drink with buddies, shout and shove and beat on people, and steal stuff. The adrenaline junkies. The guys who think its entertaining to go out and get in a bar fight. The same guys who overturn cars after sporting events, or beat up reporters at a Trump rally.

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  3. So the black folks protesting Floyd’s death may be protesting because they have been misinformed by upper-end journalists about police killings (Somerby earlier today), and don’t recognize the glass half-full concept of all the progress that has been made (only if you “see” race and gender though), except they aren’t doing the looting, and that is supposed to make Don Lemon sad, because he so desperately wants it to be his fellow African Americans doing the looting...

    Makes perfect sense.

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  4. From Kevin Drum:

    "This was obvious the entire day and into the evening. The looters were completely unrelated to the protesters, who were generally peaceful. But there were hundreds of police officers facing off against hundreds of protesters, seemingly just waiting for a water bottle to be thrown so they could retaliate in force. Meanwhile, a few blocks away, TV helicopters showed looters destroying storefronts in precision formation with not a cop in sight. Since local law enforcement also has helicopters, I assume they knew perfectly well what was going on. They just didn’t feel like doing anything about it.

    The LAPD, of course, says they are undermanned, and that might be so. But it sure didn’t look like the main mass of protesters needed 100 percent of their attention. Even a modest police presence dictated by helicopters and social media surveillance might have reduced the looting while doing no harm to their ability to control the peaceful protesters."

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    1. Yeah, I watched a little bit of this fandango yesterday in Santa Monica and Kevin is speaking truth here. I witnessed one big old white man with a giant SUV packing multiple high end bikes onto his surburban tank just as nonchalantly as though he were picking strawberries in a field with a CNN cameraman standing right there broadcasting his criminal face to the nation and there was not a policeman in sight.

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    2. Oh, the police chief of Raleigh, NC said that she wouldn’t risk the lives of her officers over mere property.

      The people there are on their own.

      Good thing most of that citizenry has for generations been aware of the inevitability of that.

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    4. I have to wonder whether people want their property protected because they sense that they are nothing without that property.

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  5. The great melting pot. 200 years of rapidly boiling racism followed by 60 years of simmering racism until Trump brings it back up to a rapid boil.

    And Somerby breaks out his sesame street philosophy on how we're all just the same deep down. He's a strange person.

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    1. Your sort of rhetoric, taken up by the elite, has made it so treacherous for people such as the small potatoes Raleigh police chief to do her job. YOU paint everything with the same brush. YOU make no commonsensical distinctions. YOU are a strange person and a bitter cynic.

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    2. The “elite.” Of course you mean “liberals.” Wonder what the conservative elite has been up to these past 50 years, and how that makes it difficult for police chiefs to do their job, or for people to vote, or to have a functioning political system. The conservative elite paved the way for Trump.

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    3. Why is our broken media acting as if this is the first time they've heard of looting?
      Hedge Funds loot businesses 7 days a week.

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    4. “The conservative elite paved the way for Trump.”

      Indeed.

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    5. @cecelia
      And who exactly is the cynic? Anon 5:30, who correctly points out America’s racist past and that Trump is appealing to racist sentiments, or Somerby, who believes the media is manipulating the poor ignorant saps into being angry and frustrated over nothing? 5:30 also implies we aren’t all the same, which is what you also seem to believe.

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    6. Conservative Elite = Swamp.

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    7. mh, just as the peaceful protesters are racially diverse, so too are the law breakers.

      I do wonder how racist it is to say that the nation cant tolerate this and that laws against it need to be rigorously enforced.

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    8. Cynical and treacherous ain't me it's you and your ilk dragging us to christofascism. But you are the polite one. Good for you Tulip.

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    9. I don't know if you have noticed, but the police are outnumbered. The only thing that is keeping the police safe is the good intentions of the protesters.

      Trump thinks the military can just bomb the hell out of protesters if the local police aren't brutal enough to suppress the crowds, against whom they are grossly outnumbered. When a riot gets going, the police move out of the way to a safe location. They do not engage and they do not suppress what is happening, because they cannot. They let people get it out of their systems until it winds down.

      But force doesn't work against the kind of crowds that are out on the streets during these protests. The more Trump tries to crack down, the more people will come out and the more votes Trump will lose as the media broadcasts scenes of police brutality. The protesters will seem right and they will gain sympathy. So, doing what Trump wants is exactly the wrong thing, tactically.

      Your idea about "rigorously enforced" is the way white people turn to the police for protection. But there aren't enough police to keep you and all the other scared people, hunkering down because of their fear of minorities, feeling safe in their homes. Pay close attention to that fear, because it is what minorities feel all the time when they are targeted by enforcement efforts while going about their daily lives.

      Of course, we may be devolving toward a totalitarian state, and in that case all citizens will feel fear of the authorities, and both the 1st & 2nd and all of the other amendments will be no more. All those members of minority groups who are out there in the street represent your freedom and mine. We should listen to them, not suppress their voices via "rigorous enforcement".

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    10. "Your idea about "rigorously enforced" is the way white people turn to the police for protection. But there aren't enough police to keep you and all the other scared people, hunkering down because of their fear of minorities, feeling safe in their homes. Pay close attention to that fear, because it is what minorities feel all the time when they are targeted by enforcement efforts while going about their daily lives."

      I don't fear, bro. I feel the sort of disgust you feel when your low expectations play out.

      I'm locked and loaded. I have enough food and supplies to hunker down for quite awhile and to be able to help neighbors not as prepared, though I doubt they're any less able to take care of themselves than I am.

      I wasn't trembling in my home over a virus, let alone a looter. Life is messy and dangerous and I'm prepared to face that and hold myself, you, and people with more melanin than myself (which is everyone)accountable for their actions.






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    11. "The conservative elite paved the way for Trump."

      Conservative elite my ass, dear dembot.

      Minnesota Governor - D
      Minnesota Legislation - dominated by D
      Minneapolis Mayor - D
      Minneapolis City Council - 12 Ds, 1 Green, 0 Rs.

      I repeat: Zero Rs in the Minneapolis city council.


      Minneapolis is Zombie Paradise.

      Living in Zombie Paradise, what's the problem? Why would denizens Minneapolis protest, and what do they protest against?

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    12. Minneapolis is part of the United States of America (Google it), so it's a part of the whole white supremacy thing.
      You are correct that racism is so strong, it overwhelms all parts of the country, not just those run by the party of bigotry.

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    13. Oh, dear. Zombie Paradise is troubled by 'the whole white supremacy thing' in the wider universe. How sad.

      Perhaps the zombies of Minneapolis should build a wall around their Paradise, cut all the communications with the outside world, and live happily ever after.

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    14. Mao started off supporting Trump and the GOP strictly because of their support for the Establishment, but it looks like the base of the party has won him over, and he now supports their bigotry too.
      The Right-wing is an amoral dumpster fire all the way down.

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  6. William Barr is on the case.

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  7. “Why is our broken media acting as if this is the first time they've heard of looting?
    Hedge Funds loot businesses 7 days a week.”

    There are certain types of taxes and regulations that I find confiscatory. Though important to me in how vote, I’m still able to make a commonsensical distinction between those matters and the police standing down while a gang loots my home/business and burns it down.

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    1. Can you make a commonsensical distinction between the people protesting Floyd’s death and the “gangs” who are looting? Did you read Somerby’s post? Can you recognize that not very many liberals approve of looting?

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    2. And I'll make the commonsensical distinction between a building being burned down and the violation of human rights of black people by the police.

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    3. I do make that distinction, mh. I can even make a distinction about throwing a rock at a police car versus throwing one at a Nike store window.

      I wish well educated and highly paid liberals could, because a great many of them have spent the past week telling me that what I I see isn't happening or that it’s justified anger and resentment.

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    4. As a liberal, I'm against looting businesses, whether being perpetrated by a gang armed with molotov cocktails or MBAs.

      OTOH, no Crip or Blood ever sent my job overseas.

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    5. "throwing a rock at a police car"

      I knew the NRA had some financial difficulties, but when did we rid ourselves of the pesky 2nd Amendment?

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    6. “OTOH, no Crip or Blood ever sent my job overseas”

      That your trying to be so cute and cavalier about street thugs versus the white collar variety means you’ve never had to worry about what might happen as you are walking to the grocery store.

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    7. I can tell the difference between street thugs and Wall Street thugs. The first group goes to prison, the second group goes to the Hamptons.

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    8. A race riot occurs when one race attacks another. The zoot suit riot in 1943 was a race riot. The riot in 1965 was not a race riot. It consisted of black people burning businesses in their own neighborhoods (Watts) as a protest. The same is true of the riot over the Rodney King verdict. Looting and burning was largely confined to African American neighborhoods (with some small exceptions).

      What is happening now is not a race riot, although guys like the Boogaloo Bois are trying to incite one. The ones in Denver were stopped and arrested. This is a riot that largely affects minority group members because black people are either peaceful or they are directing their actions against property, not white people. Authorities are holding their breaths and hoping this does not devolve into the conflagration that would occur if there were not restraint on the part of both protesters and rioters.

      Who isn't going to loot with the unemployment rate we have today, the uncertainty of the future and the disparity between rich and poor in our current society? This is the logical consequence of Republican financial choices in the absence of the restraint normally imposed by police (who are busy elsewhere during the protests). But you can consider the looting as another kind of protest, one lodged by the disadvantaged against the people who own stuff.

      Go back and read A Tale of Two Cities. Somerby should read it, if he can tear himself away from Norman O Brown.

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  8. That you're so concerned about buildings being burned down versus the systematic racism of this country and the police who enforce it means you’ve never had to worry about what might happen as you are walking to the grocery store while black.

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    1. No, it means I can walk and chew gum at the same time.

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    2. Except you have only been doing one of those things, not both.

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  9. “I can tell the difference between street thugs and Wall Street thugs. The first group goes to prison, the second group goes to the Hamptons.”

    Between the white collar thieves and the people of any demographic or political persuasion throwing things at my head and burning down my town, guess which one ranks as the most immediately pressing in any hierarchy of threat.

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    1. Based on your stated concerns about people throwing things at your head and burning down your town, and your complete indifference to white collar thieves, I'd guess the former is a bigger concern to you than the latter.

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    2. It’s interesting that the same folks who called people fools for wanting businesses to reopen and the country to go back to work because that has a minute-to-minute l relevance in lives of everyone, now think we should put the current threat of violence, looting, and burning into perspective with hedge funding malfeasance.

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    3. Take a knee, Dixie.

      Billy Barr has been activated. Very strongly.

      "Gen. Milley is here. He's head of the joint chiefs of staff, a fighter, a war hero, a lot of victories and no losses and he hates to see the way it's being handled in the various states and I just put him in charge."

      In charge of what, we're not sure yet, but Holy Roman Emperor Trump is holding "a bible" upside down, so I hope you're feeling safe now.

      And SoD Esper is planning to dominate the battle space, so there's that too. And don't forget your 2nd Amendment rights, don't forget those.

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    4. mm, your clock radio just started playing “I Got You, Babe” and you’re up and at it.

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    5. This may be how things feel to you, Cecelia, but it is not how the rest of us feel.

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  10. “Go back and read A Tale of Two Cities. Somerby should read it, if he can tear himself away from Norman O Brown.”

    You’ve made me realize why it’s been rather quiet here of late. All the anonymices out on the street working for the possibility of tumbrels and guillotines.

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    1. People have a limit to what they will tolerate. Those "tumbrels and guillotines" are what you get if you exhaust the patience of the populace. You think it cannot happen here? If our government acts like a banana republic, the people will too.

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    2. The “anonymices” are quiet because Somerby is a waste of their time. And that includes the conservative troll anonymices too.

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  11. Trump staged a photo OP to tear gas protestors and smarmlet o'hara faints over comments on an obscure blog written by an eccentric weirdo.

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    1. From Daily Kos:

      "On Monday afternoon, thousands of peaceful protesters outside the White House were surprised when, without warning, they were struck by a sudden barrage of rubber bullets, flash-bangs, and tear gas. As protesters reeled from that assault, hundreds of federal police and National Guard forces, including troops mounted on horseback, drove into the protesters pushing them away from the area. All of this was done so that Donald Trump could cross the street and wave a bible. At a church where he was not invited."

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    2. But wait, there's more:

      "Trump’s demonstration that he was willing to put lives at risk to ease the slightest wound to his ego grew even more transparent on Monday evening as it developed that some of those people who were driven away from the church … were the priests. In harrowing accounts, those priests recounted how both clergy and layworkers at the church were working and speaking with a medical team from Black Lives Matter when Trump’s assault began. And those priests recount how Trump’s federal troops seized the church, drove away those who belonged there, and staged an assault on religion that was far more than a metaphor."

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    3. "As if the man is truly on a quest to be the most malevolent sack of crap in America, it turns out Donald Trump’s gaudy “walk” to a burned church next to the White House didn’t just come with the White House ordering the tear gassing of peaceful protesters to clear a path for the bone-spur-having fascist: Trump was trespassing on church property for the photo-op. He didn’t have permission to be there, says the Episcopal bishop responsible for St. John’s Church!

      In a CNN appearance, Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde blasted Trump for the grotesque stunt.

      “Let me be clear: The president just used a Bible, the most sacred text of the Judeo-Christian tradition, at one of the churches of my diocese, without permission, as the backdrop to a message antithetical to the teachings of Jesus and everything that our churches stand for.”

      “I am outraged,” she fumed. “The president did not pray when he came to St. John’s nor did he acknowledge the agony of our country right now.”

      So Trump was trespassing on church grounds after tear gassing the crowd that had peacefully assembled there.

      So where did Trump get the Bible, anyway? Did he loot it from the church?"

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    4. He needed a campaign photo. What's a little sacrilege compared to his needs?

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    5. "The church appeared to be completely abandoned. It was, in fact, abandoned, but not by choice: less than an hour before Trump’s arrival, armored police used tear gas to clear hundreds of peaceful demonstrators from Lafayette Square park, which is across the street from the church.”

      “Authorities also expelled at least one Episcopal priest and a seminarian from the church’s patio.”

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    6. From Political Wire:

      A senior White House official told Axios that when they saw the tear gas clearing the crowd for President Trump to walk to the church with his entourage:

      “I’ve never been more ashamed. I’m really honestly disgusted. I’m sick to my stomach. And they’re all celebrating it. They’re very very proud of themselves.”

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    7. “We long ago lost sight of normal, but this was a singularly immoral act. The president used force against American citizens, not to protect property, but to soothe his own insecurities. We will all move on to the next outrage, but this was a true abuse of power and should not be forgotten.”

      — Brendan Buck, former top aide to Speaker Paul Ryan (R), quoted by Politico.

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    8. Tom Sullivan at Digby's blog:

      "The unanswered question now is whether the country will survive until November, much less next January. A party that has demonstrated by its unwavering support for Donald Trump it will say anything, do anything, to maintain power by any means necessary. Trump means to win be keeping fooled the faction he can fool all the time into thinking this is still a democratic republic. His enablers at Fox News and in conservative media are content to remain fooled. Their paychecks depend on it. Their audience will wave flags and Bibles all the way to fascism if need be.

      It’s up to the rest of us to prove to ourselves and the world we still have spines to stand against them."

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