From Sullivan on to Wittgenstein!

FRIDAY, JUNE 26, 2020

The human mind in action:
For today, we're going to throw to Andrew Sullivan with respect to revolution.

In the passage shown below, Sullivan is describing a standard form of human mental functioning in times of revolution. Below, we'll make a further connection:
SULLIVAN (6/26/20): The impulse for wiping the slate clean is universal. Injustices mount; moderation seems inappropriate; radicalism wins and then tries to destroy the legacy of the past as a whole. The Taliban’s notorious destruction of the great Buddhas of Bamian in Afghanistan was a similar attempt to establish unquestioned Islamic rule. “Muslims should be proud of smashing idols. It has given praise to Allah that we have destroyed them,” Mullah Mohammed Omar explained. This was the spirit of Paris in 1789 as well. “If we love truth more than the fine arts,” the Enlightenment figure Denis Diderot remarked, “let us pray to God for some iconoclasts.” (He was also the lovely chap who insisted that “humankind will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.” And in the French Revolution, of course, he almost got his way.) The Romans, for their part, eventually decided that the only way to govern Jews was to physically destroy their Temple in Jerusalem.

Iconoclasm is not just vandalism and violence. It is a very specific variety that usually signifies profound regime change. That’s why the toppling of old Soviet monoliths in the 1989 liberation of Eastern Europe was so salient. They were important symbols of that sclerotic Soviet empire’s power. And for true revolutionary potential, it’s helpful if these monuments are torn down by popular uprisings. That adds to the symbolism of a new era, even if it also adds to the chaos. That was the case in Mao’s Cultural Revolution, when the younger generation, egged on by the regime, went to work on any public symbols or statues they deemed problematically counterrevolutionary, creating a reign of terror that even surpassed France’s.

And Mao’s model is instructive in another way. It shows you what happens when a mob is actually quietly supported by elites, who use it to advance their own goals. The Red Guards did what they did—to their friends, and parents, and teachers—in the spirit of the Communist regime itself. They murdered and tortured, and subjected opponents to public humiliations—accompanied by the gleeful ransacking of religious and cultural sites. In their attack on the Temple of Confucius, almost 7,000 priceless artifacts were destroyed. By the end of the revolution, almost two-thirds of Beijing’s historical sites had been destroyed in a frenzy of destruction against “the four olds: old customs, old habits, old culture, and old ideas.” Mao first blessed, then reined in these vandals.
This is the way our tiny minds tend to work when we decide it's time for a change. Nuance simply isn't our thing. We become convinced that our tribe is completely and totally right, and that everything else must fall. Everyone else should be in prison, or in reeducation camp.

We remain amazed, on a nightly basis, by the way Rachel Maddow is drawn to Locking Them Up. Consider the current circumstance:

In the current circumstance, our liberal elite can't conceive of the possibility that William Barr, rightly or wrongly, actually believes that the prosecutions of Cohen, Flynn and Stone were a type of politicized sham. For ourselves, we can't imagine why any liberal or progressive would have any faith, at this point, in prosecutions which were closely connected to Comey.

That said, the call of the tribe is loud. Plainly, our tribe can't even conceive of the possibility that someone else—in this case, Barr—could actually believe, rightly or wrongly, that he is doing something right by challenging or examining these particular prosecutions.

Sullivan is describing the mental impulses which arise during times of revolution. As Sullivan notes, these dimwitted impulses may even emerge in pursuit of revolutionary values which are long overdue and good.

In fairness, some people may believe that this type of upheaval is the only way you can actually get something done. Almost surely, that isn't true. But, as David Letterman and Gallagher proved, we humans do like to smash things!

Our human brains just aren't real sharp. Meanwhile, as a group, we're unable to notice this fact. Our mobs start to rampage through the streets. Those who aren't inclined to mouth their new sacred phrases will be frogmarched away.

How poorly do our human minds actually work? Consider the later Wittgenstein! According to Professor Horwich, this is what he did:
HORWICH (3/3/13): Wittgenstein claims that there are no realms of phenomena whose study is the special business of a philosopher, and about which he or she should devise profound a priori theories and sophisticated supporting arguments. There are no startling discoveries to be made of facts, not open to the methods of science, yet accessible “from the armchair” through some blend of intuition, pure reason and conceptual analysis. Indeed the whole idea of a subject that could yield such results is based on confusion and wishful thinking.

This attitude is in stark opposition to the traditional view, which continues to prevail.
Philosophy is respected, even exalted, for its promise to provide fundamental insights into the human condition and the ultimate character of the universe, leading to vital conclusions about how we are to arrange our lives. It’s taken for granted that there is deep understanding to be obtained of the nature of consciousness, of how knowledge of the external world is possible, of whether our decisions can be truly free, of the structure of any just society, and so on—and that philosophy’s job is to provide such understanding. Isn’t that why we are so fascinated by it?

If so, then we are duped and bound to be disappointed, says Wittgenstein. For these are mere pseudo-problems, the misbegotten products of linguistic illusion and muddled thinking...He asks, “[w]here does [our] investigation get its importance from, since it seems only to destroy everything interesting, that is, all that is great and important? (As it were all the buildings, leaving behind only bits of stone and rubble)”—and answers that “(w)hat we are destroying is nothing but houses of cards and we are clearing up the ground of language on which they stand.”
Say what? Our allegedly greatest thinkers have been tangled up in "the misbegotten products of linguistic illusion and muddled thinking?"

Plainly, any such notion is counterintuitive. But a steady application of Wittgenstein's analytical method can show that much of our allegedly highest thinking actually has, in point of fact, been "nothing but houses of cards"—was based on "grammatical confusion."

Trust us, though—no one in the press corps or the academy is going to perform any such deliberation. No one but Horwich, that is.

The woods are lovely, dark and deep. Our analytical skills are very limited.

Optically, our human capabilities can't overcome certain optical illusions. Physiologically, we can't command our leg to hold still if someone taps our knee the right way.

Intellectually, our allegedly greatest minds cant help fallin' in love with those "linguistic illusions." Given all these obvious flaws, why should we expect revolutionary cadres to show something resembling good sense?

At present, our revolutionaries are worrying about statues and Halloween costumes. No one is going to discusses the lives of children in our low-income schools or all the missing money getting looted from our health care "system."

We're too busy getting the heretics fired. At some point, the virus dies out.

Revolutionary lingo: According to Sullivan, "Revolutionaries also create new forms of language to dismantle the existing order." He describes the way "the woke shift their language all the time, so that words that were one day fine are now utterly reprehensible."

He doesn't discuss another way the saints will rearrange language. They will routinely invent new forms of speech which help the elect identify others who are elect.

Current example—police are no longer brutal to black people. Police are now brutal to black bodies. These stilted new locutions create a form of tribal signalling. The saints can tell that someone can be trusted if they use the stilted new phrases and terms. Oldspeak is a signal of danger.

This is the way our tiny minds work. Our human minds are very tiny, and we're very strongly inclined to march ourselves off to tribal war.

We're wired to create the other. Or so anthropologists say.

50 comments:

  1. "This was the spirit of Paris in 1789 as well."

    The French Revolution was an actual revolution, dear Bob: a radical change of the socioeconomic model. A real bourgeois revolution.

    In general, Mr Sullivan and you, dear Bob, are paying to much attention to the superficial aspects, while completely ignoring the essence. Except, maybe, for his brief (and also rather superficial) incursion into the recent history of China.

    What we're observing now in the US is, imo, a collapse of the liberal-globalist order. Its agony. Its attempts to hang on to power. The rest is just a circus show.

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  2. These are not times of revolution, our protesters are nothing like the Taliban (who kills women for wearing Western dress), and Somerby knows nothing about how the mind works. Oh, and Andrew Sullivan is a bigger ass than Somerby.

    I believe that about covers it.

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  3. 'our liberal elite can't conceive of the possibility that William Barr, rightly or wrongly, actually believes that the prosecutions of Cohen, Flynn and Stone were a type of politicized sham. For ourselves, we can't imagine why any liberal or progressive would have any faith, at this point, in prosecutions which were closely connected to Comey'

    I always knew Somerby was a lying Trumptard, but this surpasses even his level of mendacity. None of the prosecutions were 'connected' to Comey, who had long since been fired. And there is overwhelming evidence against Flynn, Cohen, Stone et al.

    I have wondered at times if Somerby is just a useless idiot for Trump, but now I have come to the conclusion that he is a lying malevolent Trumptard. I have no idea why anyone who calls himself or herself a liberal would think that Somerby is not dedicated to re-electing DJT.

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  4. Oh, and anyone who claims that Somerby is a liberal is either a liar, naïve, a Trumptard or Somerby himself (cf deadrodent).

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    1. Triggered much?

      I think TDH is wrong here. I can conceive that Barr thinks "rightly or wrongly" that Flynn's prosecution was a sham. But I know Barr's history, I've read the indictments and Flynn's pleadings, and I've looked up the law. It turns out that Barr is just as slimy as I thought.

      And somehow I'm able to disagree with TDH without losing my shit.

      I'm not Somerby himself. You can tell because I actually read this comment section.

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    2. Agree. Not sure why anyone would lose their shit over Somerby repeating Right-wing bullshit talking points. He's been doing that for years.

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    3. I don't read TDH on a regular basis (I leave that for TDH's alter ego, deadrat). But one could make an argument that TDH was acting in good faith. Mistaken, obsessed with Maddow and 2000, but a genuine liberal.

      It's becoming clear, as he gallantly defends Roy Moore, Barr, Trump et al. that he Somerby is not acting in good faith, and is a lying Trumptard. His concern for AA kids is as bogus as his professed liberalism -- he defended Zimmerman, now he wants the media to suppress photos/videos of police actions against AAs.

      Anyone who defends TDH is either TDH himself, a Trumptard or TDH's lackey.

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    4. 'But one could make an argument that TDH was acting in good faith.'

      To be clear, I meant to say that one could have made such an argument maybe in 2016. Since 2017 and Somerby's dozen posts in defense of Roy Moore (whom even Rs found loathsome), it's clear that TDH is not just clueless, not just a liar, not just a Trumptard, but a clueless lying Trumptard.

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    5. Centrist, you are as nutty as the "Trumpards." Zero critical thinking.

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    6. One saves critical debate for those who can understand it. Trumptards like Somerby merely deserve to be called out for their likes, and their claiming to be a liberal.

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    7. I meant 'called out for their lies'

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    8. When has Bob ever defended Moore? What he has criticized is the media righteously exaggerating the accusations to the point of dishonesty, as well as ignoring the era itself. Few of Moore's "accusers" had bad words to say about him.

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  5. Sullivan is a world-class idiot.

    Because today there are people protesting, there is some vandalism and some attempted removal of statues, in his view that makes the protesters just like the mob in the French Revolution, the Chinese Cultural Revolution, or the Taliban.

    It is stupid for two reasons: just because some behaviors are similar does not connect today’s events with any of the others. And there is literally no similarity between the events he describes. The factors that motivated the “revolutions” he mentions are completely different.

    There is also no reason to think that the current events represent a “Revolution.” People are just upset.

    At any rate, most of the statues are coming down by a vote of town councils or state legislatures, and Andrew Sullivan is in no danger of losing his plum assignment writing for a major media outlet, where he gets to stuff lots of money down his pants taking the conservative side of things.

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    1. Well stated. What kind of "revolutionaries" march to demand that the system live up to its stated ideals?

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    2. Deadrat, I think there is more going on than just asking the "system live up to its stated ideals" (kind of a vague concept.) Perhaps a lot of hyperbole about racism and an unwillingness to acknowledge that there is more than one side to the story (usually there's a lot of sides, and the truth isn't necessarily clear cut.)

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    3. AC/MA, I think that if you couldn't find some angle - no matter how slight - to work in your both-sider shtick. you'd have absolutely nothing to say.

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    4. I think there is more going on than just asking the "system live up to its stated ideals" (kind of a vague concept.)

      I'm sorry if I left the impression that marchers are chanting "Live up to your stated ideals." What I meant that protesters are taking the police motto "Protect and Serve" and saying, "Then stop killing us." The Declaration of Independence says all of us are created equal, the Constitution mandates equal protection, and the Pledge of Allegiance proclaims the country is indivisible. So people are demanding we take down statuary honoring secessionist traitors who conducted a war to preserve slavery.

      This is a far cry from upheavals like the Chinese Cultural Revolution or the French Revolution. The latter tossed out the civil calendar in its zeal to erase the past. (Maybe today would feel better if we called it by its revolutionary name, the 9th of Messidor. I doubt it, but perhaps it would be worth a try.)

      Is there hyperbole and a refusal to see multiple facets? Sure, but that's not a hallmark of the current protests. That's a given part of human nature, as TDH's future anthropologists would note from their caves.

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    5. Anonymous @2:12P,

      I looked back at some of AC/MA's comments, and yeah, he often sees both sides of things that I think have one surface. Why is that "shtick" and not a different viewpoint to consider, even if we sometimes reject it?

      AC/MA did call David in Cal an idiot for the latter's enthusiasm for Trump's approach to North Korea. (And how well did that latter view age?) So there's that in his credit column.

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    6. So you agree with qualifications.

      I'll withdraw the term "shtick" for "mantra."

      A commenter calling David an idiot is a rather low bar, don't you think?

      His/her/its both-siderism mantra is too repetitive and constant for me to characterize as simply a different point of view.

      YMMV

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    7. I'm more concerned with things than labels, so it's your dismissive attitude I reject rather than your phrasing.

      A commenter calling David an idiot is a rather low bar, don't you think?

      Well, I think so, but then I'm the one who dubbed DA in CA this commentariat's Village Idiot and long ago stopped having discussions with him on the grounds that if you argue with an idiot, people won't be able to see the difference between you. People still respond to him, though, so our viewpoint on low bars isn't universal.

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    8. Your certainly welcome to.

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    9. deadrat June 28, 2020 at 1:19 AM
      If David in Cal's cousin L wanted to fly by flapping her arms, she would have no problem taking off. That's because her family is very accepting...

      ... of fiction.

      This almost seems ... dismissive.

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    10. Do you think so? I thought it seemed more contemptuous, but that's the drawback of text.

      Did you think I meant that no one's comments were worthy of summary dismissal?

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    11. I think Sullivan is overstating the issue by comparing this to the Red Guards, but what we're seeing now is the classic sort of revisionism/repudiation of the past that we get every 60-100 years.

      Like the Modernists going after the Victorians, but with lots less talent and reasons.

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  6. The disappearance of laws concerns me. Many people don't like our immigration laws, so they established "sanctuary cities". Mobs destroy or deface statues in the correct expectation that there's no punishment. Mob looting and destruction are free of punishment. We are moving toward mob rule. Heaven help us all!

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    1. They establish those sanctuary cities by law -- the mayor doesn't just decide to ignore statutes. The courts have upheld the legality of those laws.

      Also, plenty of protesters are being arrested. The idea that what you see on video is going unpunished is wrong.

      I think the best thing for you to do, David, is to throw your apron over your head and run around with your arms waving in the air.

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    2. "We are moving to ward mob rule" says the guy who shrugs his shoulders when the cops run extortion rackets.

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    3. The courts have upheld the legality of those laws.

      And the Supreme Court refused to hear a case appealed from the 9th Circuit (California) by the feral Trumpers at the DOJ. Refusal by states to help the feds enforce federal law isn't "impeding"; it's called federalism.

      David, ... throw your apron over your head and run around....

      Don't advise that. He'll get confused, shout, "I can't breathe," and the irony will tear a hole in the spacetime continuum.

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    4. 6:48 - you are quibbling. The purpose of sanctuary cities is to help illegal immigrants break the law and avoid punishment.

      Why would protesters be arrested? Protesters weren't breaking the law. A few rioters and looters may have been arrested, but I can hardly recall reading about any. Do you have any cites about people being arrested? A great many statues were destroyed or defaced. Do you have cites for people arrested for destroying or defacing a statue?

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    5. Haven't seen any cops arrested for violating the First Amendment Rights of the protesters either.

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    6. We are moving toward mob rule. Heaven help us all!

      Yes, well, that's what you get when you install a monster with longstanding mob ties in the WH who uses every tool of a two-bit punk mob boss, but be patient, David, you fascist prick, we will soon be kicking his fat ass out along with his corrupt family of liars, beggars and thieves.

      The fucking gall of an unconditional trump enabler talking about "laws". Bwahahaha! Donald Fucking Trump, David, you don't get to complain about the rule of law for the rest of your fucking life.

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  7. I'm engendering a coalition.

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  8. Geez Bob - i get your point about woke and bodies but geez, using Sullivan? As you know to the depths of your being, Sullivan helped pave the way for DJT, using, to characterize the Clintons and Gore, much of the same strange language you ascribe to the wokesters. I see your point but geez, don't use Sully.

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  9. And there's nothing remotely hyperbolic in comparing the annoying wokesters to the Reign of Terror, the Red Guards, or the Taliban. THAT constitutes a perfectly rational argument in your mind! Yes, the jargon is tiresome and inane. That is a mighty long way from the guillotine or re-education camps. Lastly, you toss around references to Wittgenstein but seem not to understand what he meant by "language games" or much else about modern philosophy. These are, to borrow a phrase, "signifiers without signifieds."

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  10. systemic
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    problematic
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    That's what every leftist Democrat sounds like.

    You can always tell when these idiots learn a new word they think sounds intelligent. Those two are incessantly parroted right now by moronic 14-year-olds and even more moronic 44-year-olds.

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    1. Holy Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, are you out of touch.

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    2. 9:09,
      "Lock her up", indeed.

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  11. Somerby suggests liberals have got Bill Barr all wrong and that by firing US attorneys, intervening in cases where a defendant has already pled guilty, and lying about public investigations, he stands on the side of justice.

    Of course, Somerby provides no evidence to support this interpretation or explain why we should view these unprecedented moves as righteous rather than, as they appear on their face, corrupt.

    Perhaps a thumb presses down on the scales!, the analysts cried, and Bob has let his hatred of Maddow blind him.

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    1. 'Of course, Somerby provides no evidence to support this interpretation or explain why we should view these unprecedented moves as righteous rather than, as they appear on their face, corrupt.'

      You're assuming a hard core Trumptard like Somerby would provide evidence ?

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