"Can we ever have an honest debate?"

SATURDAY, OCTOBER 24, 2020

"Excuse me," the president said: In this morning's print editions, the New York Times published three letters about Thursday night's debate.

One writer makes an apt observation, then closes with a question:

To the Editor:

Your reporters’ characterization of the second presidential debate as “more restrained”  is at best damning by faint praise. The longer the debate went on, the more President Trump interrupted, went over his time limits and ignored the moderator’s pleas to move on.

Perhaps because I am a history teacher, I found myself astounded by the president’s angry lies. Could we someday have an honest exchange of views?

The letter writer is a professor emeritus at Williams. He started with an excellent point about Donald J. Trump's interruptions.

During Thursday night's debate, Trump interrupted Biden a great deal less than he did during his crazy performance at their first debate. That said, he constantly interrupted the moderator, Kristin Welker, as she tried to move the various discussions along.

"Excuse me," Trump said, again and again, as Welker tried to introduce a new topic or ask a new question about an existing topic. 

Again and again and again and again, the commander showed a commanding need to get the last word in. If you search this transcript-plus-videotape for the simple words, "Excuse me," you can review Welker's ongoing struggle to rein the commander in.

In our view, Welker never got control of that situation, though we'll guess that very few journalists would have been able to do so. Trump interrupted Biden much less, but he interrupted Welker all night long. 

We've seen few pundits mention this point, so we're glad the professor did.

Having made a strong observation, the professor then asked a question. He asked if we will ever be able to have "an honest exchange of views."

"Honesty" is hard to assess. We'd fault the professor for failing to grasp this basic fact.

That said, can we ever have a coherent discussion , one which isn't dominated by false or misleading statements? The answer is, we probably can't, as long as moderators try to work too many topics and questions in.

Other journalists have stood in line to praise Welker's performance. We felt she was largely overpowered by Trump's interruptions, as almost anyone else would have been, but also that she deferred to the commander's will to power in some of the questions she asked.

Yesterday, we noted the way she deferred to the commander's fatuous claim that he would respond to Obamacare's termination by instituting "much better health care." (On this occasion, he forgot to say "at a much lower price.")

A candidate couldn't possibly make an emptier statement—but as we noted, Welker simply let it go. Instead, she challenged Biden's actual health care proposals, working from a bit of right-wing agitprop.

In so doing, she rolled over and died in the face of Trump's utterly fatuous statement. Also, why in the world would a moderator respond to Trump's refusal to release his tax returns by asking a question like this?

WELKER: You just said you spoke to your accountant about potentially releasing your taxes. Did he tell you when you can release them? Do you have a deadline for when you're going to release them to the American people?

After all these years, why on earth, why in the world, would a journalist ask that question? Everyone on the face of the earth knew what Trump would say in response to that pointless question:

TRUMP (continuing directly): As soon as the auditors finish.  I get treated worse than the tea party got treated, because I have a lot of people in there—

WELKER: [Inaudible]

TRUMP: —deep down in the IRS, they treat me horribly. We made a deal, it was all settled until I decide to run for president. I get treated very badly by the IRS, very unfairly, but we had a deal all done. As soon as we're completed with the deal, I want to release it, but I have paid millions and millions of dollars and it's worse than paying. I paid in advance. It's called prepaying your taxes. I paid—

The nonsense about the tax returns went on and on from there, with Trump constantly struggling to get the last word in. That said, Welker, like everyone else on the planet, knew exactly what Trump would say in response to her T-ball question.

Trump has been saying since 2015 that he will release his tax returns as soon as his audit is done.  Meanwhile, we don't think we've ever seen a journalist ask him this, as Welker should have done:

"Mr. President, Vice President Biden just said that he has released 22 years of his tax returns. Why can't you release your tax returns from earlier years, even as you wait for your current audit to be done?"

Have you ever seen that question asked? We can't recall that we have.

The professor asks if we can ever have a real exchange of views. We'll make one final suggestion:

Plainly, the answer will be no, as long as moderatos insist on raising too many topics and asking too many different questions.

Presidential candidates will always tend to misstate and evade. This has become an apparent matter of pathology where Candidate Trump is involved.

At any rate, it will never be easy to get clear even on such a major topic as the health care proposals of the two major candidates. It will be impossible to do so if a moderator has a hundred other questions he or she wants to move to—and Welker was plagued by Too Many Questions Disease in her work Thursday night.

Why hasn't Donald J. Trump ever offered a health care plan? Especially at the present time, could any question be more salient than that?

That said, with so many other questions to ask, Welker let his absurdly empty statement of intention slide. He said he'd produce "much better health care," and she chose to move on.

Why hasn't Donald J. Trump released his earlier tax return? Rather than ask this obvious question, Welker chose to play T-ball.

Why hasn't Trump produced a health care plan? Welker didn't ask.

Welker had a tough assignment Thursday night. In large, part, that was so because one candidate seems to be severely disordered, and the press corps has steadfastly refused to examine that obvious point.

Welker had a very tough assignment.  All in all, we didn't think she did especially well, in large part because she tried to ask too many different questions about too many topics and sub-topics. 

In the aftermath of the debate, Welker's colleagues stood in line to praise her brilliant performance. Under the power of Trump's attacks, that is now another way our floundering discourse works.

Purity of heart is to ask one thing: When Trump refused to answer her question, Savannah Guthrie just kept repeating her question. She asked it again and again.

Purity of heart is to ask one thing. We believe Abraham Lincoln said that.


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  1. Somerby blames the moderator for the lack of a coherent discussion, but it is Trump's bad faith that is at fault. Trump told deliberate lies, over and over. It is what he does. Somerby, once again, refuses to acknowledge that Trump is telling lies. As long as Somerby won't acknowledge that, we can't even have a "coherent" discussion here.

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  2. These debates are an uneven struggle between the moderator and Trump because the moderator doesn't have the same freedom to say and do what she needs to, as Trump and Biden have. If she interrupts or adopts a "disrespectful" tone, she will be blamed, not Trump. Trump is The President of the United States of America, and his office is accorded respect and that accrues to the man himself, whether he deserves it or not. No moderator can behave forcefully toward The President, if he chooses not to follow the rules, both of the debate and of civil society. And Trump thinks rules are for suckers. So what is a moderator to do? What Welker did, obviously. But Somerby thinks that, by some magic, the moderator could have done better. No, this is just Somerby's ongoing shtick, beating up on the media to get readers to pay less attention to our only source of contrary information debunking right-wing propaganda.

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    1. Somerby does repeatedly say "very few" journalists could have been up to challenging Trump in this forum, presumably for the reasons you point out. I wonder who he had in mind that could have been able to do this.

      But his focus on this post is the letter to the NYT, and questions whether addressing so many issues is possible, while knowing that the responses will be bad-faith rhetoric.

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    2. The question in the letter to the NYT was rhetorical; exposing bad-faith rhetoric is a helpful. Somerby is vying for nomination from the Excessively Literal Party, he is a card-carrying member - well, when it suits his narrative, at any rate.

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  3. Trump behaved as he did because his base loves it when he displays power by breaking rules of civility. His supporters get a vicarious thrill from his exercise of in-your-face, tell-it-like-it-is power. Whenever Trump behaves inappropriately or tells someone off (even if it is Rosie O'Donnell), his base loves it. They don't find it childish or intemperate or crazy. They enjoy it and think it is funny and applaud the way he "owns the libs" and thumbs his nose at limitations everyone else must abide by.

    When the authority being defied is female, his supporters love it even more. They don't see it as Trump bullying a woman. They see it as Trump putting an uppity woman in her place, using manly force. His supporters see it as getting back at every woman who ever nagged a husband, every child who resented a mom's rules, getting even with every girl who ever said no to them.

    And when 74-year-old Trump, with his bald head and his declining manhood (exemplified by his ridiculously long tie) makes someone else wait or kowtow or put up with his garbage, all the male supporters in his audience feel vindicated in their own superiority despite their own beer bellies and receding hairlines and declining virility. Look at Melania and Ivanka, Trump's trophies! So when Trump mistreats Welker, he asserts his own dominance and place at the top of the heap, and who cares who thinks he is stupid and boorish!

    Somerby, of course, ignores this dynamic while he blames the media for ignoring his complaints instead. Somerby pretends to understand "The Other" while missing (perhaps purposefully) what is obvious to those with more decency.

    Somerby's problem is something that even public logicians cannot fix. He perhaps likes it when Trump "owns" the moderators and journalists who Somerby and Trump both hate and love to push around. I'll bet that if Somerby were to tweet the idea to Trump, he might kick Maddow around too. What better way to earn Somerby's vote.

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  4. What makes Somerby think that Trump wants to give clear answers about anything, or that he would cooperate with any moderator who tried to elicit clear answers?

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  5. There is a kind of irony involved in this situation, where Somerby runs a blog where he never reads (much less answers) comments and questions from his readers, while excoriating journalists who are unable to get the president to respond to their questions.

    We are left, raising the same criticisms day after day, speculating in the absence of clear answers to anything from Somerby, just as Trump's critics are being ignored. But Somerby has a different standard for reporters trying to obtain answers than he has for himself.

    One cannot claim to be interested in truth while evading two-way discussion, whether you are Trump or Somerby. When Somerby takes his comments seriously, he will have the right to chastise reporters who cannot hold Trump accountable because Trump will not answer their questions, no matter how they are phrased.

    Somerby isn't running for office, but if he were, I would never vote for him. He isn't transparent and his evasiveness has resulted in a bunch of theories about his motives, financial support for his blog, and his own honesty. It is no way to run a blog, in my opinion.

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  6. Yes, dear Bob, Commander's tax returns are extremely important. There's a treasure map hidden inside them (we have it on good authority), and as soon you get it, dear Bob, it'll make you rich.

    Meanwhile, what about your Rapist Mafioso candidate's family protection racket, and your goebbelsian media suppression of all information about it, totalitarian-style?

    Any thoughts on that, dear Bob? Or - crickets?

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    1. I would have loved to have seen your face, when the bosses told you their election-push slogan would be "let everyone get COVID, maybe some won't die".

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  7. “Everyone on the face of the earth knew what Trump would say in response to that pointless question [about taxes]”

    And everyone on the face of the earth knows what Trump would say when asked about a health care plan: “It’s going to be great! Better and cheaper!”

    So what’s the point of asking, and what’s the point of Somerby’s criticism?

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  8. Somerby phones in a blog post.

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  9. Somerby displays his pseudo-hippie street cred again:

    "Purity of heart is to ask one thing. We believe Abraham Lincoln said that."

    No, Bob Dylan that. And he said "I'll let you be in my dream if I can be in yours."

    But "Purity of Heart, Is to Will One Thing: Spiritual Preparation for the Office of Confession"? Kierkegaard wrote that, and it has nothing to do with reporters asking questions. Neither does Bob Dylan or Abraham Lincoln.

    Somerby is no liberal, no matter how many obscure folk song lyrics he throws around.

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    1. “The reward of the good man is to be allowed to worship in truth.”

      ― SΓΈren Kierkegaard

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    2. There is an important difference between asking one thing and willing it.

      Somerby thought it was cute to substitute "ask" for "will" because the moderator was "asking" questions, but that is exactly the problem, the moderator cannot will Trump to answer.

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    3. "But God in heaven is not as a young girl's folly. He does not reward the impressive with admiration. The reward of the good man is to be allowed to worship in truth."

      Google-copy-paste is a perfectly fine skill, more power to you. The Kierkegaard quote is taken from the bible (John 4:24) in his lifelong quest to promote Christian faith in God. Fair enough, but it provides no solace or insight to those that are not "true worshipers" of Somerby.

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    4. Those young girls and their follies. Wouldn't want to be like them.

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  10. "Trump interrupted the moderator" is an odd way to put it. In fact, Trump often resisted when the moderator was interrupting him.

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    1. Trump didn't stop when his turn was up (his time expired). He also resisted her attempts to keep him on-topic. It is the moderator's job to ask questions.

      I believe Trump's interruptions were a deliberate attempt to diminish the moderator, as were his remarks about her before the debate.

      If you persist in talking when it is not your turn, or ignore questions, it is rude to continue talking. That is what Trump did when you think the moderator was interrupting him.

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    2. Trump is always the most soulless and corrupt person in the room; he resists integrity like the plague.

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  11. From Politicus:

    "After casting his early vote in Florida, Trump found the nearest camera, ripped off his mask and proceeded to whine about mail-in ballots."

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  12. The Dem/Rep Parties set the rules of the debates, not the moderators. They prevent the moderators from acting like prosecutors at a trial. It was clear to everyone who watched that Trump has no healthcare plan. Trump did what a good little fascist is supposed to do: spew gibberish, so confusion, act like the victim, and attack Biden. He did nothing to widen his appeal. His performance impressed only his cultist base. The undecideds will continue to move to Biden.

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  13. Men who hate women are typically non-verbal men who cannot express themselves well using words. Women run them in circles during any debate, so men resort to physical violence to "win."

    Trump breaks the rules because he cannot win in an actual debate, because he is not good at expressing ideas or motivating people via words. So he lashes out, like any wife-beater does.

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  14. He's not talking about Somerby, but he could be. Here is Atrios at Eschaton Blog:

    "I know from years of blogging (both doing it and reading the blogs of others, back when there were other blogs) that it's easy to get a bit sucked into a thing. Decide, for example, that the Yew Nork Times is bad, and it almost becomes a schtick, and you (I) become a bit too into finding fault wherever you can.
    Not going to claim to be immune to that type of thing, but I am sensitive to it. I try not to give into the temptation of finding patterns where there are none, or of finding any way possible to get mad at That Fucking Newspaper just because that's a thing I do here on atrios dot blogspot dot com. But, man, sometimes, that fucking newspaper.."

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  15. Biden is tanking in Arizona. Great.

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    1. One poll shows Trump up over Biden by 1 point but all the others show Biden leading:

      https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/az/arizona_trump_vs_biden-6807.html

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    2. Arizona is not enough, unfortunately.

      And in any swing state controlled by liberal cult they are likely to falsify the results: that's what they need mail-in ballots for, and fake polls, to make it look less suspicious.

      Right now it looks like 279-259 for Rapist Mafioso. But anything is possible, of course.

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    3. I'm glad you realize your savior, daddy figure Trump will rightfully be massively humiliated and fail at his re-election bid in 10 days. Which is great because he SUUUUUUUUCCCCKS.

      Totally dropped the ball on Covid. That will be his legacy. The worst president in modern history by miles. Incompetent and foolish. Weak and insecure. Zero balls.

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    4. Trump is the worst. It's no wonder his own father hated him his whole life for being a loser.

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  16. Here, dear Bob, read Matt Taibbi, real criticism of the media, and compare it with your pathetic mindless dembottery recently.

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    1. Did Matt Taibbi write that before or after he said he was voting for Biden and what a piece of shit Trump is?

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    2. Taibbi is an opportunist hack, abandoned by progressives, now he is read by Republicans.

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  20. I wonder whether Somerby will talk about this:

    https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2020/10/murcs-laying-down-of-the-law

    His buddy, Kevin Drum, is under fire and I find the criticisms of today's post convincing.

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    1. Wow, Kevin Drum might be more of an asshole than Somerby.

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    2. And Matt Taibi is a hack and ... anyone who doesn't perfectly conform is cast out. Quite a coalition you are building there.

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    3. Ben Smith pulled a mega Bob Somerby in NYT today.

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    4. Here is just a sample of the coalition, it is much broader:

      Bernie Sanders
      AOC
      Ilhan Omar
      Katie Porter
      Sam Seder
      David Pakman
      Richard Wolff
      Stephanie Kelton
      Noam Chomsky

      None of these people are perfect, but they argue in good faith, are not ruled by opportunism, and encourage criticism.

      Hacks like Somerby, Drum, Taibbi, Dore can all get bent.

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    “One thing we’ve seen in a lot of the Black community, which is mostly Democrat, is that President Trump’s policies are the policies that can help people break out of the problems that they’re complaining about,” Kushner said Monday on “Fox & Friends.” “But he can’t want them to be successful more than they want to be successful.”

    Trump’s campaign believes he’s drawing more Black support for his re-election than in his 2016 run, thanks to policies including a law he signed reducing prison sentences for nonviolent offenders, increased spending for historically Black colleges and universities and new tax benefits for investors in low-income communities.

    Trump lost among Black voters by about 82 percentage points in 2016 but has closed the gap in support to about 71 points this year, according to an analysis of polling data FiveThirtyEight.com published last week. He’s improved particularly with Black men, cutting his disadvantage from 72 to 57 percentage points.

    Read more: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-26/kushner-says-african-americans-must-want-to-be-successful

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    What is it with men? Notice that the support for Trump among black men is much higher than among black women.

    Are men stupid or do they just get off on Trump's alpha male stunts, identify vicariously with his ability to break rules and get away with it?

    Trump is feeding black people his patent medicine of positive thinking -- if you want to be wealthy like me, you just have to want it.

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    1. Actually all indications are Biden is likely to get roughly the same percent of black voters as Dems typically get, which is around 90%.

      Black voters motivated, but concerned about votes counting

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    when I meant this wonderful man's testimony online I decided to
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    Money Spell
    Power Spell
    Success Spell
    Sickness Spell
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