Is Trump immoral or sociopathic?

SATURDAY, OCTOBER 3, 2020

David Brooks clings to a lane: On the one hand, we agree with every word David Brooks said.

Then again, we don't exactly think he should have said it.

We refer to Brooks' column in Friday's New York Times. In print editions and online, the column ran beneath a somewhat clumsy headline:

At His Core, Trump Is An Immoralist

Is Donald J. Trump an "immoralist?" If we want to be honest about it, "immoralist" is barely a word in the English language at this point in time.

In fairness, it isn't that hard to see what Brooks means. He uses the term just once in his column. As he does, he offers a basic picture of Trump:

BROOKS (10/2/20): People who feel themselves under threat have a high tolerance for cruelty in their leaders: A little savagery to defend the homeland might be a good thing. But the crucial thing about Donald Trump is that he is not a nationalist who uses immoral means. He is first and foremost an immoralist, whose very being was defined by dishonesty, cruelty, betrayal and cheating long before he put on political garb.

In this presidential campaign, Trump’s nationalist platform—trade, immigration—has faded into the background while his immoral nature has taken center stage. 

"First and foremost," Brooks says, Trump's "very being" is defined by dishonesty, cruelty, cheating—by immoral acts.  Those behaviors emanate from the commander's "immoral nature."

We agree with Brooks' assessments of Trump's jaw-dropping behaviors.  But is the gentleman, first and foremost, an immoral person? Is that Trump's basic "nature?"

Or is he actually, first and foremost, simply a sociopath?

We agree with every word as Brooks assesses Donald J. Trump's  string of jaw-dropping behaviors. At the same time, we don't think we've ever seen a major journalist work so hard to stay in a lane—to keep his analysis within the bounds of a standard safe mandated framework.

We have argued, for some times that Trump's behaviors are so odd that they probably need to be understood within a psychiatric / psychological framework. We first offered this suggestion all the way back in February 2016, when Trump staged an extremely peculiar if harmless event on a triumphant Tuesday night after winning several primaries.

Trump's extremely peculiar behaviors have long since ceased to be harmless. But as his dangerous conduct has continued to devolve, our journalists have refused to consider an obvious possibility:

They've refused to consider the possibility that Trump's bizarre behaviors are so bizarre that they can't be explained within the framework Brooks' (perfectly accurate) column is struggling to maintain.

In 2017, Dr. Bandy X. Lee, a Yale psychiatrist, begged the press corps to build a discussion around the commander in chief's apparent mental illness. 

Lee edited a best-selling book, The Dangerous Case of Donald [J.] Trump. In Lee's book, several dozen psychiatrists argued that the man who was authoring all those immoral behaviors was doing so because he's severely mentally ill.

According to the leading authority on the topic, "the book was an instant New York Times Best Seller." In truth, that doesn't necessarily mean a whole lot, given the limited number of non-fiction books which actually get bought and sold within our failing culture.

Still, Lee was advancing a plea. In January 2018, the Times' airheaded editorial board responded as you knew they would:

The board decreed that journalists mustn't discuss such a possibility. Given the cult-like nature of our upper-end press corps, the upper end fell into line and Dr. Lee disappeared. 

Not unlike the commander himself, our high-end press corps thus agreed to ignore the prevailing state of medical science.

Yesterday, Brooks published a column which savaged Trump's behaviors as immoral. We agree with every word Brooks said—that is, with every word he said about those behaviors.

But what might explain those astounding behaviors? Brooks clung to the safe and familiar framework of "morality." We've never seen a journalist work so hard to avoid the framework of mental illness.

What does it mean to be "mentally ill?" You're asking a very good question!

Within our cultural horizons, the very term is a bit of a metaphor, built upon a comparison to straightforward physical illness. 

Some people even say that "mental illness" doesn't exist—in effect, is a conceptual hoax. Our journalists have agreed, for the past several years, to color within those lines.

Donald J. Trump's immoral behaviors have truly been astounding. But uh-oh:

Like earlier, more "primitive" people refusing to admit that Pharaoh or the Inka was dead, our journalists have refused to consider the possibility that this remarkable state of affairs may best—indeed, may only—be explained within a psychiatric framework.

Within that framework, the commander's astounding behaviors result from mental illness. Within this framework, the behaviors themselves are profoundly immoral. The commander is "mentally ill."

We agree with every word Brooks wrote in yesterday's column. Indeed, we'd already voiced two of his basic assessments:

Tuesday's debate let the public see Donald J. Trump as he actually is. Also, "the crust of civilization is thin." 

We agree with every word Brooks wrote. To the columnist, though, we make this plea:

David Brooks, the Inka is dead! Long live the Inka, who is, almost surely, some version of mentally ill.

Important full disclosure: Every journalist knows this is true. Like earlier, more "primitive" people, they've also agreed not to say it!


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  1. "Is Trump immoral or sociopathic?"

    Ha-ha, a good one. Are you, dear Bob, a dembot or a brainless zombie?

    Or both, perhaps? Too much mindless drivel for a single diagnosis.

    But thanks for the laughs, dear Bob.

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    1. Exactly. Trump is a typical Reagan Republican piece of shit. It confuses the slow learners, who still think the Republican Party is a political party, and not a criminal enterprise.

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  2. It doesn't matter whether Trump is a sociopath or an "immoralist". His behavior arises from choice he has made and even sociopaths are accountable for their choices, their behavior. No serial killer was ever excused on grounds of being a stone cold psychopath.

    Nothing whatsoever changes if you consider Trump mentally ill (except that you sully the image of mentally ill people in the public imagination).

    So, why is Somerby continually beating this drum? And why does Somerby never entertain the obvious fact that Trump may have an excuse (mental illness) but what is wrong with all those Republicans who continue to rally around him, participate in his wrongdoing, use his crimes as cover for their own wrongdoing?

    Are McConnell, Cruz, Graham, Meadows, and so many others, also mentally ill? They are arguably as immoral as Trump. Should we not be calling this entire generation of Republicans (with a handful of notable exceptions) mentally ill? Where is Bandy Lee when we need her to finish her hit job?

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    1. Somerby's distinction without a difference is a distraction from how badly he misconstrued the AMT issue.

      Somerby eviscerated Janeane Garofalo for suggesting Republicans suffer from mental illness, yet here we are. Some people say Republicans are people who have unresolved issues from child abuse. Sad.

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    2. Other unresolved issues of Trump supporters:

      https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mind-in-the-machine/201609/the-psychology-behind-donald-trumps-unwavering-support

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  3. Here is the latest atrocity. After learning that he was positive for Covid-19, Trump continued with the rest of his day as usual, holding meetings and a fundraiser, rubbing shoulders with a variety of people, all without a mask and without notice to them.

    The Secret Service is complaining because he deliberately put their lives in greater danger by exposing them.

    And Trump never sent word to the Biden campaign (who interacted with Trump staffers to prepare the debate) that Trump and several staffers had covid.

    And Trump's warmest wishes for a speedy recovery are from dictators in countries that have been American enemies (Russia, North Korea).

    This isn't mental illness. It is treason.

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    1. And/or reckless endangerment, or manslaughter/murder if someone dies because of it.

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    2. Excellent points. But the official timeline says he didn't know he had it until Thursday night. Assuming he survives, Trump and or his staff should be investigated for criminal endangerment if the timeline changes.

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    3. His doctors say otherwise, Gloucon. Today, his doctor said he has had covid for 72 hours (3 days). The White House timeline doesn't work in terms of when he got his polyclonal antibody treatment and when they would have had to get FDA approval to give it to him.

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    4. The doctor who originally said 72 hours corrected it to Thursday night, which is 3 days.

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    5. Surely you understand that gets us no closer to the truth.

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    6. I agree. We can't no for sure about the timeline at this point. I presume that the testing records at the White House are public records which can be subpoenaed. If I got the virus from being in Trump's presence, I would demand to see the testing timeline.

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  4. Somerby continues not to notice that Trump was exactly what Republican voters, and ultimately the Republican Party, wanted.

    Between this post and the ones where he blatantly misstated the NYT story about Trump’s taxes, Somerby has had some bad takes recently.

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    1. "Somerby continues not to notice that Trump was exactly what Republican voters, and ultimately the Republican Party, wanted."

      Close, but I would rephrase it: dear Bob is not noticing (zombified not to see) that The Commander does what the American working people want: enacting protectionism to stop the bleeding of American jobs, and ending endless imperial wars.

      And that's the beginning and the end of it; that's the reason your globalist liberal cult hates The Commander so much.

      As for the Republican 'party', you're obviously wrong, dear mh, and you know it. (Well, unless you're as dumb/soros-scripted as other dembots here, which is a possibility.) Most of the prominent Rs who don't need people to vote for them, openly hate The Commander, from GW Bush (who is now your cult's hero) to the dembot named David Brooks, who dear Bob quotes approvingly in his post above.

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    2. Trump is liberal dembot zombie, who wants to shut down his Presidency over something that amounts to the flu.
      It's me, you, and the Establishment, Mao. Everyone else is a dembot zombie.

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    3. Mao, you make a lot of sense, at least from the Hitlerian point of view.

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    4. Republicans that do not like Trump, do not like him solely because he is ruining the brand.

      Trump has done nothing about jobs or foreign conflicts. Nada. Zip. Zero.

      Trump only serves himself.

      Those jobs will only come back when corporations are willing to pay a living wage and Americans are willing to pay more for their products, or when American workers are willing to work for less than Chinese or Vietnamese workers. The former two are not going to happen with Republicans in power.

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    5. If the American working people want to stop the bleeding of American jobs and end endless imperial wars next time they should find someone competent to try to get it out for them. Trump was a losing horse that didn't deliver. Next time you'll have to find someone who is not a total fuck up.

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    6. "didn't deliver"

      Meh. If he wasn't delivering, we wouldn't see the goebbelsian media and soros-dembots squirming, convulsing and foaming at the mouth 24X7. Why rant & rave at someone who isn't delivering, eh?

      Simple as that, dear dembot.

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    7. Because of Trump's incompetence that has left so many Americans dead. Simple as that. Sorry you picked the wrong horse. There ain't no stopping the bleeding of American jobs and ending of endless imperial wars in sight, friend.

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    8. Sorry Mao. Trump was the wrong guy if those were your goals. You lost this one. No go on and go home before you get hurt.

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    9. Under Trump, while his waistline was ballooning, other things were also ballooning:

      the federal government
      globalism
      elitism
      right wing violence

      deaths from Covid

      Republicans are all hypocrites with zero integrity.

      Our last view of Trump may be of him wobbling, like the Pillsbury Doughboy, down the stairs of the helicopter that rushed him to the hospital. Wearing a mask!

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    10. "incompetence that has left so many Americans dead"

      Meh. I'm yet to see any liberal-hitlerian media dembot to rant about Andrew Cuomo ordering to send infected people to nursing homes, and to ban resuscitations in NY.

      Nor have we observed any liberal raving at crazy Nancy for "We should come to Chinatown. Precautions have been taken by our city. We know that there is concern surrounding tourism, traveling all throughout the world, but we think it’s very safe to be in Chinatown and hope that others will come. It’s lovely here. The food is delicious, the shops are prospering, the parade was great. Walking tours continue. Please come and visit and enjoy Chinatown." on February 24.

      Unless, of course you dembots feel all that wasn't incompetence but deliberate murders and you wholeheartedly approve those?

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    11. Feb 24 is pre-covid.

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    12. Barron Tump giving the old man COVID-19, because he wants Donnie to die before he blows the last of Barron's inheritance, is almost too perfect.

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    13. Mao - Don't change the subject. Under Trump's leadership, Trump's incompetence has left hundreds of thousands of Americans dead.

      There will be NO stopping the bleeding of American jobs and NO ending of endless imperial wars under Trump, lovely sweet little girl.

      Come here and let me kiss you on the lips sweet Mao. You go ahead and vote for Trump if it makes you feel good, sweet girl. I know you're scared. Everything will be ok, baby.

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    14. I agree Mao's neediness and constant feminine cries of impending doom bring out the protector in us men. But I cant vote for Trump based on his lavish tax cut exclusively for the rich which he lied about and his reaction to the pandemic which was one of the most inept, consequential Presidential screw ups in the last 9 centuries.

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  5. What happens if you label the entire Republican party and the many Trump supporters as mentally ill for enthusiastically embracing a mentally ill presidential candidate?

    Can you hold any kind of bipartisan discourse after that kind of pejorative labeling? Is it immoralist or mentally ill to embrace a mentally ill candidate -- someone who is so manifestly unbalanced and immoral in his behavior that he will likely be arrested after leaving office (assuming he survives covid)?

    Once you label someone as essentially corrupt, there is nothing for them to do but to live up to their label. The label eliminates any possibility of redemption, especially when it involves a birth defect (such as psychopathy) and not something treatable.

    But behavior can change, even when someone's essential personality or brain chemistry cannot. That's why mental health professionals, even those who administer drug treatments, also focus on behavioral therapy. Sociopath of not, Trump has to live with himself and we have to live with actions as president. So it is in our interest to help him curtail his most egregious behaviors by opposing them politically and imposing the full force of the law on his corruption.

    Somerby never says what he thinks our nation should DO about Trump's mental illness. He once counseled empathy, pity, but that doesn't imply that we must let Trump off the hook for his crimes, reelect him despite his perfidy.

    Trump needs to go. Every sane person is voting for Biden, even those who didn't think he was the best person the Democrats could come up with. Because Trump must go. Where? Back to Mar a Lago, where we sincerely hope he will get the best mental health treatment that money can buy.

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  6. "Some people even say that "mental illness" doesn't exist—in effect, is a conceptual hoax. Our journalists have agreed, for the past several years, to color within those lines."

    Thomas Szasz proposed that mental illness is just social deviancy, that abnormality was just a society blaming people for coloring outside the lines. That was in the 1960s when many orthodoxies were being challenged.

    Today, no one in the mental health profession with any empathy thinks this (if they ever took it seriously). Most mental illnesses involve considerable suffering, on the part of the person who is ill and among family members who try to cope and help that person. It is the suffering that mental and physical illnesses have in common, not the etiology.

    How does Trump suffer? Can anyone witness his daily rages and think he is happy? He cannot enjoy the pleasures everyday people enjoy (relationship, accomplishment, acceptance). When Mary Trump says "Never Enough" in her book title, she refers to his dissatisfaction with whatever he gets, his insatiable appetite to be what he cannot be.

    Today, we do not define illness by its deviance from normality but by the extent of suffering it imposes on the person diagnosed (or those close to that person). The most painful illnesses are those that make the individual happy at the cost of those around him or her (bipolar, borderline PD, narcissism, schizophrenia sometimes, psychopathy, substance abuse, paraphilias).

    The medical metaphor for mental illness fits some disorders better than others, depending on whether that disorder has an organic cause (neurotransmitter imbalance, different wiring, abnormal development) or behavioral cause (trauma, abuse, neglect, impoverishment). Because environment affects development, it is difficult to separate physiology from early learning. So mental health practitioners gave up the either/or form of this discussion a long time ago and no longer has much interest in Somerby's sophistry about whether mental illness exists. It exists when people suffer from disorders that can be helped by behavioral change and cognitive interventions (thinking differently).

    Somerby is an asshole to consider such a remark appropriate. It is an unkindness to leave a mental problem untreated because mental illness is a construct, just as it is unkind to leave any kind of problem that results in suffering unaddressed because of assumptions about the nature or cause of that problem.

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    1. anon 11:56 - you're the anon who constantly labels TDH an "asshole." Is that a recognized psychiatric condition? You are so clueless. TDH is not questioning whether mental illness exists - he's going in the opposite direction - constantly harping that in fact Trump is mentally ill. (Unlike you, he has some ability to consider that there are contradictory views, thus his mention of the late Thomas Szasz). I myself think TDH is foolishly flogging the idea that the press is derelict in not raising Trump's alleged mental illness. TDH, like so many, tends toward the ahistorical. There have been (and are now) several national leaders who have done worse things than Trump. Trump hasn't started any wars, or had his enemies shot or marched off to dungeons or concentration camps (yet). He is part of a phenomenon happening all over now, with right wing populists - turkey, russia, India, the Philippines, Hungary, Brazil etc. There is a brutal competition for power, and being nice isn't always an effective way to achieve it (seeming, as opposed to being, nice helps sometimes). Are all these leaders 'mentally ill?' Maybe - it's a subjective term in this category. As someone else
      said here - trump more or less carries out the GOP platform; would Cruz have been less abhorrent? But again, you are really clueless. Too bad.

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    2. Most of us here think Somerby is an asshole, some say Somerby himself is not averse to the charge (un-ironically, reinforcing it).

      Trump has continued the ongoing conflicts, increased drone attacks, played a role in various murders (Khashoggi, Michael Reinoehl, Herman Cain, 200k+ Americans), and kidnapped latinx children and placed them in concentration camps ("who gives a fuck").

      Right wing populists? Brother, please. Authoritarian dictators and despots.

      Cruz less abhorrent? Yes. He toes the line but he is not as corrupt as Trump. Few are.

      "Clueless" is a devastating charge, requiring much reflection. But could we not also reflect on what Somerby's goal is?

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    3. Somerby didn't mention Szasz, I did. It is obviously who he is referring to, because no one else takes such an extreme position. Somerby never reads anything more recent than 1970 (except to criticize it, as he did Chanel Miller's book, reading only the first few pages, judging by his comments).

      You say Trump hasn't "... had his enemies shot or marched off to dungeons or concentration camps (yet)." I guess you don't consider asylum-seeking immigrants as people in your calculations.

      He may not have started his own wars (out of sloth or ignorance) but he has aided Russia in Syria and supported the Saudis in their war against Yemen, and don't forget his abandonment of our Kurdish allies.

      You ask "Are all these leaders 'mentally ill?" There is no rule saying that only one can be mentally ill at a time, so why not? It may take a certain kind of person to grab power the way your list of dictators has done. Trump doesn't have that in him, perhaps because of his own mental health problems.

      Trump carries out the GOP platform because he has no policy or political views himself. He has no idea how to govern competently, so he does what he is told to do, as long as it doesn't interfere with his looting and consolidation of power by appointing incompetent cronies. His payoff to the Republicans is all those judges and whatever legislation they want him to sign.

      And you are an asshole for trying to defend Somerby. Szasz made the point that mental illness is defined by society. Then you idiotically ask whether those dictators are mentally ill -- they are if we say they are, if society defines illness. What person in their right mind behaves like they do? They rule by fear, which is partly inspired by the sense that they have none of the limits that normal people adhere to. At first we all feared that Trump similarly had no limits, but he does. Trump wants to be liked -- Putin doesn't give a fuck who likes him.


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    4. Maybe you should speak for yourself, re whether he is an "asshole.". I do have to wonder why it is that you (and to the extent there are any others with a similar view) bother to read his blog day in and day out - given it doesn't reenforce your constricted world view. I see his goal as trying to shed light on the dementedness of so much of the so-called liberal discourse. More cluelsessness from you - trump did not 'murder' 200,000 Americans - did the leaders of all the other countries where people have died of covid murder them too? You can argue he was incompetent or negligent - but murder is ridiculous. It's news to me that trump murdered Herman Cain. Possibly justifiable homicide if it's true. You don't believe these guys are populists? are you stupid? it seems cruel with the undocumented immigrant children - I won't excuse it, but their parents did bring them here. It's a complicated subject. do you know how Australia treats refugees? It's a big subject, arising out of seemingly intractable problems, millions throughout the world living in refugee camps, etc. All presidents, to some degree or other have enforced immigration laws.

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    5. Somerby is trying to get Trump re-elected. He may be a disappointed Bernie supporter or maybe he has become senile. I don't know him personally, so I cannot tell you why he has become this person. I do know that he is not supporting Biden and he is NOT A LIBERAL despite claiming to be one. I believe he is being paid to divide the left, perhaps by Russia or perhaps by Republican interests.

      He made it very clear a week or so back that he is also a racist with no sympathy for BLM, which puts him out of step with liberals and also with the majority of the American people.

      His casual mention of Szasz is a cheap trick to try to demonstrate some liberal cred, but it is phony and stupid. I agree with whoever said that this is Somerby's attempt to distract from his mistaken attack on the NY Times and his attempt to claim that Trump paid more than $750 in AMT. Elizabeth Warren has a nice video out about that.

      Calling a dictator a "populist" is the real stupidity. You said Trump wasn't putting people in camps and I said yes he was, since he has been putting people (yes, immigrants are real people) in camps since day 1. Refugee camps don't work the way Trump's camps do, by the way. Forced sterilization! You think that's normal?

      AC/MA you don't belong here. You are ignorant and hostile and persist in arguing with Mao when everyone else is trying to ignore him. You are just here to pick fights and never say anything interesting or informative. Why don't you go troll elsewhere?

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    6. Some rant & rave at someone who isn't delivering because their incompetence has killed 10's of thousands and prevented them from going back to work.

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    7. anon 3:43 - you're a lunatic

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  7. Brooks' position amounts to saying Trump acts immorally because he is immoral. TDH aptly describes Brooks as clinging to one lane. But Trump very possibly lacks any effective capacity for self-regulation. His behavior remains immoral, but he may lack the ability to become any better than he is. If so, that's worth knowing.

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    1. If it's true that he lacks the capacity for self-regulation, it is the result of dementia or some degenerative disease, since he did not interrupt Hillary Clinton nearly as much during their debate, only four years ago.

      Now that Trump's status is being announced by his Walter Reed doctor instead of the White House, we might get some actual information about his health. So far, they have been limiting themselves to talking about his covid symptoms and treatment.

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    2. His capacities are diminished and his circumstances more dire. His doctor tried to toe the line but gave the game away. Sadly, the real immoralists are all the people of relatively normal capacity who aid and abet Trump for their own corrupt interests.

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    3. The doctor said he was doing great and quite jovial.

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    4. He is getting lots of attention. Why wouldn't he be jovial?

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  8. Why can't Trump be both immoral and socipathic? Why is it either/or?

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  9. "One thing that immediately stood out— [Walter Reed Hospital's Dr. Sean] Conley said that it had been 72 hours since Trump’s diagnosis, which put that diagnosis well over a day earlier than anything revealed to the public. If Conley’s timeline is correct, Trump was already aware he was positive during a rally on Wednesday and a face-to-face fundraiser on Thursday."

    This sounds sociopathic, not mentally ill.

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    1. Whatever word you prefer, my question is whether he can control himself (even if he wanted to) and why view mental illness and immorality as alternatives, instead of descriptions with different uses?

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  11. At the Cleveland Clinic debate, the Trump family and guests did not follow guidelines requiring all audience members to wear a mask. In addition to defining the souls of Republicans in terms of “dishonesty, cruelty, betrayal, and cheating,” we have to include barbaric, and dangerously irrational. Republican ideology and behavior has taken them to a place outside of civilization itself. You can’t find common ground with a state of mind that rejects rationality and the minimum standards of civilization.

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  12. From a scholarly study:
    “While the literature on psychopathy (especially primary psychopathy) and its neural correlates is relatively rich, the current perspective capitalizes on this existing literature and expands it in order to offer a potential neural road map to investigate and understand the underpinnings of a commonly encountered but generally overlooked social behavior, namely immoral and corrupt behavior, which has been discussed and described in the literature as secondary psychopathy.”

    “A Somatic Marker Perspective of Immoral and Corrupt Behavior”
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3445329/

    Somerby’s distinction seems bogus.

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  13. Bob
    Never listens to my posts
    Trump has ALWAYS behaved like this.
    I have watched him since the late 1970’s
    This is old established behavior his part.
    Now to say it’s different is bullshit
    Why is it now that he is tearing the country apart is it a concern
    It was a known quantity and it was all good for the entire 1% and the conservative party .
    They accepted and enabled it
    It is all theirs to own
    No bending over backwards dear
    Bob to absolve him and all the enablers of their responsibility

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  16. According to NBC News (via Politicus), DHS was instructed to use talking points favorable to Rittenhouse, to defend his actions. Among the points listed was:

    "Some of the other suggested comments for the media included telling law enforcement officials to point out that Rittenhouse was innocent. They were also instructed to claim that some new evidence will aid Rittenhouse’s “self-defense claims,” but they are forbidden to say much else; except that the Trump-loving militia member is like everyone else in America. The DHS officials were instructed to say:

    “They cannot comment on an ongoing investigation, but that Rittenhouse, just like everyone else in America, is innocent until proven guilty and deserves a fair trial based on all the facts, not just the ones that support a certain narrative. This is why we try the accused in the court of law, not the star chamber of public opinion.”"

    Note that this is what Somerby said about Rittenhouse. What is a supposed liberal doing repeating DHS talking points? Is this just a coincidence? I don't think so.

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    1. “They cannot comment on an ongoing investigation, but that Rittenhouse, just like everyone else in America, is innocent until proven guilty and deserves a fair trial based on all the facts, not just the ones that support a certain narrative. This is why we try the accused in the court of law, not the star chamber of public opinion.”

      Ouch! That's positively EVIL and a form of WHITE SUPREMACY!

      Thank you, LORD Thy God Soros, for warning us about this unspeakable horror.

      And, of course, thanks for the laughs, as usual.

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    2. That snowflake Rittenhouse, who was so upset with black people demanding equality of justice, he committed multiple felonies, including murder, is the perfect representative for the Republican Party in 2020.
      He checks every box:
      Weak
      Delusional
      Bigoted
      Criminal

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  17. Do you allow dissenting opinions in comments or are they moderated into non-existence?

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    1. As far as we know, this is the only one liberal blog in the whole universe that doesn't censor. A giant anomaly.

      We suspect this might be the reason why resident soros-bots here are slightly more deranged than usual.

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    2. Hmm. Okay, point taken: if it was truly liberal, totalitarian censorship would be inevitable.

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    3. Ha ha ha.
      Totalitarian liberals with their "you can't call Trump voters bigots, because reasons which can't be articulated even after 4 years", stance.

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  18. Does anyone, outside of the crazies, take this writing seriously? A sociopath? Don't your readers deserve something more intelligent than this? You might ask why, as compared to all previous presidents, is there so much more irrational hatred of the current president? I have yet to see any competent answers to this across dozens of blogs.

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    1. "why, as compared to all previous presidents, is there so much more irrational hatred of the current president?"

      Unlike most previous presidents who had both experience and interest in public service, this one is concerned only with his own self interest. That makes him one of the more despicable people to hold the office.

      This is not irrational hatred. It is a natural disgust directed at a thoroughly disgusting person.

      He wanted to make his daughter the VP for God's sake!

      The only sane answer to your question is that, if you have to ask, you are one of the crazies yourself.

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    2. You have yet to see a competent answer? No one is holding their breath for you to do so. Let me guess: despite a disastrous first term, you voted for George Bush Jr. twice. You are the definition of tribal. Thanks for the unnecessary and costly Mideast war and the worst downturn in the economy since the depression. Of course you would vote for Trump again.

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  19. During the course of this thread Trump clearly defined himself as a venal, thoughtless, dangerous, narcissist in the course of exposing two secret service agents to the virus in a closed vehicle resulting in their fourteen day quarantines. Of course the dumbass “masks don’t matter” spectators cheering him on at curbside were willing to sacrifice those two, likely weren’t even thinking about them, while they cheered on the idiot.

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