The childish cognition of Donald J. Trump!

SATURDAY, OCTOBER 17, 2020

The statements of Rachel Maddow: Thirty-six hours later, we're still thrilled that we got to see Savannah Guthrie's confident, skillful performance at Thursday night's town hall.

You almost never see major journalists perform in a competent manner. Especially on that one early question—When was Trump's last negative test before contracting Covid-19?—Guthrie performed with tremendous confidence and skill.

As citizens, you almost never get to see that. It simply isn't done.

In each of the last two nights, MSNBC star Rachel Maddow has displayed the more typical upper-end conduct. We'll get to one part of that below. First, a basic question:

Is Donald J. Trump cognitively impaired? If so, what would that even mean? 

Is something wrong with Trump's cognition? We refer to the painfully childish way he responded to many of Guthrie's questions. 

For one such childish embarrassment, consider his comments concerning the killer masks.

At several points in the hour, Trump mangled a recent study concerning the role of masks. When Guthrie challenged the wisdom of his mask-free rallies and White House events, Trump responded  by offering this apparently ludicrous claim:

TRUMP (10/15/20): As far as the mask is concerned, I’m good with masks. I’m okay with masks. I tell people, wear a mask. But just the other day, they came out with a statement that 85% of the people that wear masks catch it. So this is a very—

The claim seems ludicrous on its face. Presumably, if 85% of people who wear masks become infected, our nation's total infection number would be in the stratosphere by now.

Trump's claim seemed ludicrous on its face. At that point, Guthrie broke in to dispute what he'd said, and this exchange occurred:

GUTHRIE (continuing directly): It didn’t say that. I know that study.

TRUMP: That’s what I heard, and that’s what I saw. And regardless, but everybody’s tested and they’re tested often. 

That's what Pharaoh heard! Trump constantly falls back on this standard of proof. This behavior is stunningly childish.

That said, Trump persistently displayed the logic of a (rather young) child as she spoke with Guthrie. Consider:

Why does Trump hold maskless rallies and White House events? Because, in his role as president, he can't stay in the basement!

Why would be post a transparently crazy claim about the death of Obama bin Laden? It was just a retweet, Trump said! He's letting the people decide!

Why has he made a radiologist his top adviser concerning a completely different area of medicine and public health?  "He's one of the world's great experts," this childish fellow said.

Why is he trying to kill Obamacare? "In order to replace it with a much better health care at a much lower price!"

Presumably, everyone would favor "much better health care at a much lower price." In our view, Guthrie wasn't sufficiently clear in articulating the obvious response to this silly statement: 

From June 2015 to this very day, why haven't you ever proposed a plan which would accomplish that? Why haven't you ever presented a health care plan at all?

Routinely, Trump's attempts at adult discourse are just stunningly childish. Beyond that, he doesn't seem to realize how childish his attempts at reasoning will inevitably seem to the occasional adult observer.

Is this merely the best he can manage in an attempt to influence voters? Or does this endless, childish performance suggest some sort of impairment?

We'd like to see appropriate medical specialists offer their thoughts on this matter. Unfortunately, the upper-end press corps has long since agreed that such specialists must never be consulted, and that such obvious questions must never be asked.

Trump's childish imitations of life continue along, unabated and underdiscussed. At that point, along comes Maddow and other such TV performers.

We were struck by Maddow's terrible work immediately after Thursday's town hall. As with Trump, so too here—her conduct rolled back, in effect repealed, the accumulated wisdom of centuries, even millennia, of human intellectual development.

We'll try to discuss that matter next week. When MSNBC stopped posting transcripts, they made it much harder to discuss the work of the network's stars.

We'll try to discuss Thursday's effort next week. For today, consider the way this TV star behaved on last night's program.

Did Donald Trump test negative for the virus before his debate with Biden? On Thursday evening, he kept telling Guthrie that he couldn't remember if he was tested on the day of the debate.

(He also said that he had frequently been tested.)

Inevitably, Maddow denounced the statement that he couldn't remember as a "lie." She also offered this cavalcade of her own misstatements:

MADDOW (10/16/20): That was a strange exchange, like how do you not remember that? But also, there's something really wrong with that.

It was a rule from the Commission on Presidential Debates that the candidates had to get tested on the day of the debate. Trump is basically saying that he didn't!

[PERFORMS ENTERTAINING IMPRESSION OF TRUMP]

"Possibly I did, possibly I didn't."

And then, three days later, he's in the hospital. This matters in terms of the debates.

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I mean, would you want to get into a closed space and stand next to him on stage if he's been lying and breaking the rules, not just about over-talking the moderator and his opponent, but he's been lying and breaking the rules about his Covid testing?

He admitted last night that he didn't follow the rules when it came to Covid testing for the first debate. Should there be a third debate then?

It would be hard to cram more misstatements into a speech of that length. Start with this apparent groaner:

"It was a rule from the Commission on Presidential Debates that the candidates had to get tested on the day of the debate."

Is that statement accurate? As we noted yesterday, news orgs have been rather lazy with respect to this basic question. 

That said, it appears that the commission actually required that each candidate had to be tested within 72 hours of the debate. 

On October 8, ABC News reported that this had been the requirement. The report even included a specific  statement to that effect by a Biden spokesperson.

We can't swear that this was the case. The hopelessly foppish CPD seems to have issued no official statement on this matter.  (Almost all our elite institutions function as this one does.)

(The Cleveland Clinic, the CPD's partner, has apparently issued at least three statements on this general topic. But none of the statements we were able to find reported the exact testing requirements.)

When Maddow made her claim last night, she seemed to offer this news report as her source. The report's headline appeared on the screen behind her, along with a brief excerpt from the report. 

Unfortunately, the report doesn't say that the candidates had to be tested on the day of the debate. In effect, Maddow had offered a classic "link to nowhere" in support of her pleasing claim.

We've seen no evidence in support of Maddow's central factual claim. Beyond that, consider her logic:

Trump said he can't remember whether he was tested on the day of the debate. Maddow implied that this claim didn't make sense on its face, then seemed to say that Trump was lying when he said it.

For unknown reasons, she said that Trump "admitted that he didn't follow the rules when it came to Covid testing for the first debate." She also said that Trump was  "basically saying that he didn't" get tested on the day of the debate.

We have no idea why she'd make either statement, aside from entertainment and messaging purposes.

Was Trump tested on the day of the debate? It's entirely possible that he wasn't.

Was he tested within the 72-hour window? We have no idea. For all we know, he may not have been tested for weeks. Given his obvious mental disorders, he may have taken a Pharaonic approach, in which those approaching Pharaoh were tested but Pharaoh himself was not.

Was 72 hours the real requirement? We've seen no definitive statement to that effect, but ABC News quoted a Biden spokesperson making that very statement.

Is it possible that Trump doesn't remember when he was tested, or if he was tested at all? In our view, Donald J. Trump is badly disordered. We have no idea why a multimillionaire  corporate employee like Maddow would make any assumptions about what Trump knows, believes, understands or remembers, except is pursuit of tribal or personal gain.

In our view, Maddow should have been taken off the air long ago, or subjected to major supervision. That said, she's exceptionally skilled at "selling the car," and our massively gullible liberal world has largely purchased the product she's selling.

We would very much like to know if Trump was ever tested before that debate. We're sorry that Guthrie didn't ask Trump to commit to releasing such information.

In fairness, that's just us! We'd also like to know why NBC News leaves Maddow on the air.

In our view, Maddow's performance on Thursday was even stranger than her performance last night. That said, our national culture is dying or dead wherever you look, and the crowd-pleasing programs on MSNBC are certainly no exception.

On balance, Guthrie performed superbly on Thursday night. At the upper ends of our national press corps, you almost never see that.

We assume that Trump is badly impaired. What's the story with Maddow?

Concerning the death of transcripts: MSNBC has joined Fox News in refusing to transcribe any of its TV shows. One possible motive is obvious.

The lowest-rated of the three channels still transcribes every show.


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  2. "Guthrie performed with tremendous confidence and skill."

    And yet she didn't get any more of an answer than any other reporter, including those with less confidence and skill presumably.

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  3. Politicians get more votes if they use language that appeals to the lowest common denominator. The simpler the language and ideas, the greater the appeal.

    They ALL lower their language level during a general election. Somerby must know this. Why is HE being so childish today?

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  4. The Cleveland Clinic gave guidelines to the Commission on Presidential Debates about how to establish a safe environment. Those guidelines included testing. It was Chris Matthews who said that the testing was "on the honor system" but Matthews is not an official of the Commission.

    I have not been able to find the rules themselves on the internet.

    Local media in Cleveland said this:

    "Media covering the first presidential debate Sept. 29 in Cleveland must abide by a series of health guidelines issued by the Commission on Presidential Debates and pay $100 to be tested for the coronavirus.

    The guidelines, issued Monday, require media representatives to be tested by The Cleveland Clinic for COVID-19 coronavirus. Those who test negative will be able to gain access to the debate site. The tests are valid for 72 hours.

    The test is just one of many signs of how the 2020 presidential debates will be different because of the deadly coronavirus pandemic, the worst health crisis in a century.

    Rules for credentialed media are not unusual. During the Republican National Convention in 2016, for example, credentialed media were staged at the Huntington Convention Center and then shuttled inside a secure area around Rocket Mortgage FieldHouse for events."

    Presumably, the presidential candidates did not have to take this $100 test that was required for the media.

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    1. Sorry, Chris Wallace (not Matthews).

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  5. Benjamin Siegel of ABC News wrote:

    "Debate organizers required the Biden and Trump campaigns' medical teams to test the candidates and their traveling parties within 72 hours of last Tuesday's debate, and "certify" to the Cleveland Clinic that each person traveling tested negative within that window.

    "Each campaign complied with this requirement," the clinic, which partnered with the Commission on Presidential Debates to stage the debate, said in a statement.

    Specifically, each campaign provided a list of names and the results of their test, clinic spokesperson Angie Kiska told ABC News."

    Now that Trump believes himself to be immune, I doubt he will receive any more tests. I fully believe his staff attempted to test him before the debate and he refused. I don't think anyone makes Trump do anything he does not want to do.

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  6. Maddow has been saying that same things as everyone else. What's up with Somerby? He seems to think that if he praises Guthrie that means he can attack Maddow as much as he wants. It is obvious that Somerby picks on Maddow without much justification and it sticks out as odd. She clearly embodies everything he hates: female journalists with academic credentials who occasionally talk about trivial things. But I think he also singles her out because she is gay, successful and dares to have a personality. Somerby should talk this over with a shrink because it is always a bit embarrassing when someone blindly farts their psychodynamics all over the internet.

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  7. Someone is lying. And “lying” is the right word:

    “White House spokesperson Judd Deere said Friday that everyone who traveled on Air Force One to Tuesday’s debate was tested that day, but did not provide further details about the testing and did not answer a question about how that was communicated to the clinic.”
    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/rubycramer/trump-coronavirus-biden-debate-rules-podiums

    And now, nobody at the White House seems to know anything about testing.

    Maybe all those WH spokesmen are also mentally ill and just honestly don’t remember.

    Somerby should give this crap a rest and quit giving Trump and his flacks the benefit of the doubt.

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  8. Trump's "speech" at his rallies now mirror Somerby's posts. Interesting.

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  9. "Why does Trump hold maskless rallies and White House events?"

    We are not aware of the attendees being forbidden to wear masks, dear Bob. Perhaps you could link to the relevant documents? Otherwise, are you just bullshitting us, dear Bob?

    "Routinely, Trump's attempts at adult discourse are just stunningly childish."

    May we suggest, dear Bob, that The Commander talking like ordinary humyns do is a big advantage over your liberal cult's High Priests and Demigods spewing their super-smooth and meaningless, mind-boggling bullshit?

    "We would very much like to know if Trump was ever tested before that debate."

    Of course, dear Bob: your God The COVID commands you to have this obsessive idiotic wish.

    However, aren't there any other interesting subjects to wonder about? Like the new revelations about your Demigod Rapist Joe's international protection racket? And the fact that they are suppressed and censored by your goebbelsian establishment media, including the so-called "social media"? And that for mysterious reasons no one cared to ask him about it on his so-called "town hall" show?

    What do you think, dear Bob?

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    1. Съешь тарелку дерьма, тролль.

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    2. Maybe one day Mao can visit America. He could go to Trump Tower and get a T-Shirt and a 12 dollar piece of pizza and maybe even see the Statue of Liberty before returning to his shithole, Euro trash hellhole.

      Hey Mao, if you ever get a green card let me know. I can ask my gardener to give you some work out there with all the other classless Euro trash pieces of shit.

      Have a great day!

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    3. You gardener would assume he is a bag of fertilizer. The fertilizer would be offended.

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  10. No Durham investigation results, no unmasking investigation results, zero indictments.

    Bwahhhhahhahahahahahaahahaha

    It was all a HOAX!

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  11. Thanks Bob. I actually did find that town hall video (thank dog for Firefox and adblockers) and agree. Guthrie was awesome. The fact that she could even keep a straight face during that interview was a testament.

    Yes, he’s mentally ill, by the standards of even the newly initiated to humanism as a concept. Definitely noticed when he said “the others.” Tribalism is, after all the human way, due to evolutionary principles encoded in our ken, and thus we ourselves. Quite unfortunate that tribalism has been industrialized, for money, by the MSM.

    Of course Guthrie was competent. She’s Scottish, like me. Aren't we all Scottish?

    Leroy

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    1. He’s “mentally ill?” He supposedly has, among other things, antisocial personality disorder. One of the symptoms of this is LYING. Somerby idiotically keeps questioning whether Trump is lying.

      He is lying.
      Somerby is an idiot.

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    2. Leroy, the first distinction a baby learns to make is between himself and his mother. Then he learns his own family and others (around the time of stranger anxiety), which depends on recognizing faces and telling people apart. Other is not something bad, the way Somerby keeps complaining about tribalism. It ensures survival because only your family care about you and only your clan will feed you and help you when you are injured. To others, you are a source of danger, as they are to you. For women, additional danger because strangers kidnap them to engage in mating outside one's own group. For men and children, those caught alone by another tribe were often enslaved (if not killed).

      Somerby sounds like an idiot every time he complains about tribalism as if it were something bad. Don't use him as your role model.

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    3. "Somerby is an idiot."

      So sayeth the writer who, as a reader, keeps coming back again and again, ibid, to say what it thinks. As if there were any other place where it might lodge its complaints.

      7:49
      No, the first distinction a baby “learns” is distinguishing the life-giving nipple from the rest of its mothers boob. Nipples are there for a reason. It makes it easy for a blind baby to find it’s nourishing supper. You seem to have accomplished your goal here.

      From what you wrote, I can only surmise that you’re still thinking of your mom’s nipples and haven’t got much further, certainly not far enough to understand that there is only one tribe, the human tribe. mh lives in the past – in relation to this blog, go figure – because it keeps seeking out the nourishing nipple, but is never satisfied.

      Leroy

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    4. Leroy, I didn't say "social" distinction because it was implied by the context of the discussion. Nipples are important but not social for babies. Can you be a bigger asshole than Somerby? All signs point to yes.

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    5. Leroy and Somerby are both assholes and we can leave it at that. It is what it is. Furthermore, Somerby is a mendacious moron.

      "Babies" learn and are aware of distinctions in the womb. Whatever.

      For the 100k+ years modern humans have been around, it is only the last 10k years we have not been hunter gatherers living relatively peaceably and in thousands of separate tribes; there is no such thing as "the human tribe" - there are tribes among humans.

      Somerby often writes garbage, there is no reason to not criticize him. Somerby often writes boring, repetitive garbage, all the interesting discourse is in the comments.

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    6. @Leroy
      Believe it or not, I approach each TDH Post with an open mind, but Somerby writes something so ridiculous and wrong that I can’t leave it uncommented on, like his completely and utterly clueless critique of the NYT Trump tax returns story, or when he accused the Democrats of “perhaps” doing nothing to retool the Voting Rights Act after the Shelby decision, which is a damned lie. They passed a bill to redo section 4, but it went nowhere because of McConnell.

      These kinds of untruthful claims need to be countered.

      Perhaps I shouldn’t have called Somerby an idiot. But when he makes wrong claims over and over, what would you call him?

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  12. TDH: “We'd like to see appropriate medical specialists offer their thoughts on this matter. Unfortunately, the upper-end press corps has long since agreed that such specialists must never be consulted, and that such obvious questions must never be asked.”

    Come on, Bob! Lying is not a medical condition. He is just lying. Yes, it sounds dumb and childish to intelligent people. To Trump's dumb and childish base, it sounds like Shakespeare. They admire the deceit and skills of a good con man. When dealing with someone who has the mentality and style of a mob boss, the questions have to be specific, prosecutorial.

    You are right that the corporate mass media has failed so stunningly at the task of questioning our mob boss president. They mostly act like they don’t know how to ask follow-up questions to Trump’s non-answers/lies.

    But the real answer to this riddle of why the corporate mass media has failed so stunningly to question the powerful is that these mass media corporations are motivated to maintain profitable status-quo, not truth-seeking. Attacking the powerful would be like attacking themselves.

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    1. They mostly don't get follow up questions because Trump refuses to answer, mocks the reporters, chooses a different reporter, or walks away from the press.

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  13. When Trump promises that he will replace ObamaCare with a much better health care at a much lower price, that's a baseless promise. There's no evidence that he can do that.

    Similarly, every single promise made by Biden and Harris is also baseless. There's no evidence that they can do any of them.

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    1. That's only because they haven't promised to expand the Supreme Court to 15 judges.

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    2. Biden/Harris are obviously not making that promise with the current House and Senate.

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    3. Neither Trump nor Republican congressional grifters have even rolled out a plan despite numerous promises that they would. The baseless promise (aka lie) is that they have a plan.

      Nice try. Messr's Dunning and Kruger have you down pat.

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    4. Quite plainly Trump can install a healthcare plan that delivers better care at a lower price; this is common in most other countries. Trump clearly has no interest in taking this action, he is corrupt to his core.

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    5. David: Can you give an example of where Trump has made any proposal on the healthcare reform, never mind actually presenting something to the Congress, both branches of which were Republican for two years.

      Actually doing something, which doesn't involve grift, lining his pockets, or trying to get reelected for the past four years, is not Trump's thing.

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  14. I appreciate the ebullience of Somerby's thoughts this morning.

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    1. All the energy is with progressives, Somerby's preference for the center to center-right, which is fading, has got him down. He needs a hug, preferably from the young woman he took to lunch but who teased him for the mistaken notion it was a date.

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    2. I am not understanding your ebullience here today madame.

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    https://digbysblog.net/2020/10/yes-we-are-the-worst/

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