PROPHECY: That trial may have cost Donald Trump a few points!

THURSDAY, JUNE 19, 2024

Helen meets Stormy Daniels: For the record, the current prophecy won't be tested if President Biden wins re-election.

We refer to the prophecy widely advanced across the realm of Blue America—the prophecy according to which Donald J. Trump's return to the White House would produce an end to "our democracy."

Will President Biden win re-election this year? Without question, he certainly might!  In a new poll from Fox News, he's moved ahead of Candidate Trump by two points nationwide. 

That said, riddle us this. In that same detailed survey, substantial majorities of both parties made this declaration:

The future of democracy is "extremely important in deciding [their] vote for president." 

Democrats said it—but so did Republicans! Here are the actual numbers:

Percentage of respondents saying the future of democracy is "extremely important" in deciding their vote this year:
Democrats: 74%
Republicans: 64%

Republicans are saying it too! How about the percentage of voters saying that the future of democracy is "extremely important" or "very important?" Those numbers look like this:

Percentage of respondents saying the future of democracy is "extremely important" or "very important" in deciding their vote this year:
Democrats: 92%
Republicans: 86%

"Time passed, and now it seems, everybody's having that dream!" We're quoting the early Dylan there, but let's be clear:

In this case, that dream, and its attendant prophecies, may of course be accurate. More specifically, if Candidate Trump makes his way to the White House, it may turn out that "our democracy"—such as it is—will indeed be doomed, or at least will be badly impacted.

At any rate, everybody seems to be saying that "our democracy" hangs in the balance. As to what we the people mean by that, this lengthy report by Fox News offers a bit of detail:

Three in 10 voters say debate performance will be extremely important to their vote for president, and by a 5-point margin more think Trump will win next week’s debate. A few more Democrats (9%) think Trump will win than Republicans (6%) say the same about Biden.  

The survey asks voters what comes to mind when they hear about threats to the future of American democracy and, by a wide margin, more think of the threats as the end of certain "rights and freedoms" than the end of "free and fair elections" (53%-30%), and that holds true among Democrats, Republicans and independents.  

By a 23-point margin, more think Hunter Biden’s gun trial (79%) was fair than Trump’s hush-money trial (56%). Four percent say Hunter’s conviction led them to change their support in the presidential race toward Trump or a third-party candidate, while 5% say Trump’s conviction caused a shift in their support to Biden or someone else.

Go figure! We the people believe all kinds of things. We're frequently willing to say those things if someone actually asks.

At any rate, Democrats fear for our democracy, but Republicans fear for it too. That said, the prophecy issued by Blue America's pundit class won't be tested if President Biden wins re-election. 

(If the president wins re-election, the rage of people like Steve Bannon will perhaps be tested instead. The shinola may start to hit the fan when the candidates battle next week.)

For ourselves, we have a greater personal affection for noble Hector's earlier prophecy—for the prophecy issued in Book Six of the Iliad, the western's world's first great work of literature.

The storytelling is brilliant and clear in that "poem of war." So is the nature of human concern at that point in time. 

Famously, that poem starts with "the rage of Achilles." In his introduction to the Robert Fagles 1990 translation, Professor Knox offers a concise account of Achilles' fury—of the rage which drives the fictional events which unfold in the twenty-four books of the poem.

As Professor Knox explains, the poem begins with a different prophecy. We apologize for one choice of words:

The incident that provoked Achilles' rage took place in the tenth and final year of the Achaean attack on Troy...The rage of Achilles—its cause, its course and its disastrous consequences—is the theme of the poem, the mainspring of the plot.

Chryses, a priest of Apollo, whose daughter has been carried off by the Achaeans in one of their raids, comes to the camp to ransom her. But she has been assigned, in the division of the booty, to the king who commands the Achaean army, Agamemnon, and he refuses to give her up. Her father prays for help to Apollo, who sends a plague that devastates the Achaean camp. 

Achilles, leader of the Myrmidons. one of the largest contingents of the Achaean army, summons the chieftains to an assembly. There they are told by the prophet Calchas that the girl must be returned to her father. Agamemnon has to give her up, but demands compensation for his loss. 

Achilles objects: let Agamemnon wait until more booty is taken. A violent quarrel breaks out between the two men, and Agamemnon finally announces that he will take recompense for his loss from Achilles, in the form of the girl Briseis, Achilles' share of the booty. 

For almost ten years, the invading Achaean armies have been waging a siege against the wealthy walled city of Troy. In this brief summary, Professor Knox describes one part of the "toxic masculinity" which lies at the heart of this ancient poem.

The word "booty" strikes us as profoundly unfortunate. More directly, the Achaeans have been raiding area villages, seizing girls and young women to be held as sexual slaves. 

The rage of Achilles is provoked when Agamemnon, lord of men—forced to surrender the young woman he has taken—announces that he is going to seizes Achilles' sexual slave instead.

Meanwhile, why have these lunatics spent ten years conducting a siege of Troy in the first place? The events in question lie outside the text of the Iliad, but Professor Knox offers this account of the original offense:

There are in the poem two human beings who are godlike, Achilles and Helen. One of them, Helen, the cause of the war, is so preeminent in her sphere, so far beyond competition in her beauty, her power to enchant men, that she is a sort of human Aphrodite. In her own element she is irresistible. Every king in Greece was ready to fight for her hand in marriage, but she chose Menelaus, king of Sparta. 

When Paris, the prince of Troy, came to visit, she ran off with him, leaving husband and daughter, without a thought of the consequences for others. Her willful action is the cause of all the deaths at Troy, those past and those to come. When she left with Paris she acted like a god, with no thought of anything but the fulfillment of her own desire, the exercise of her own nature. But when the Iliad opens she has already come to realize the meaning for others of her actions, to recognize that she is a human being. She criticizes herself harshly as she speaks to Priam...

Helen had been married to Menelaus—the son of Agamemnon and an Achaean prince. Ten years before the start of the Iliad, she decided to run off with Paris—a prince of Troy, one of King Priam's sons.

The loss of Helen was perceived as a blow to Achaean honor. The legion of lunatics down by the shore have been fighting and dying for almost ten years trying to get her back.

This was the sexual politics which lay at the heart of human striving at the dawn of the west. Moving right along:

In the most recent poll from Fox, Candidate Trump may have lost a few points in the wake of his criminal trial in New York. That trial turned on the claim that he had engaged in consensual sex, on one occasion in 2006, with a woman who wasn't his wife—with our own struggling nation's top "porn star."

If we squint a bit and tilt our head, we think we see a certain similarity between these two stories:

Way back when, the Achaeans were willing to fight and die over control of Helen. Thousands of years later, we Blues were willing to say that we needed to hear Stormy Daniels tell her story—share "her truth"—about that one consensual event before we could know how to vote in the 2016 election.

The fate of our democracy, such as it is, may now turn on that ridiculous claim. Our thought leaders in Blue America, such as they are, have been willing to advance that embarrassing claim, with no apparent sense of embarrassment, again and again and again in the course of the past year.

We think we hear a type of rhyme when we consider these two stories. When we hear the sounds of those rhymes, we almost start to think we see a type of truth behind the idea that we humans aren't mature enough, even now, to conduct a serious "democracy."

Back to Professor Knox:

In 1990, all those millennia later, he was oddly fashioning Helen's decision to run off with Paris as "the cause of all the deaths at Troy." The "willful action" of Paris himself came in for no such appraisal.

How far had our sexual politics come by the time that appraisal was offered? When Greek citizens heard the Iliad sung, they heard Helen herself offering that same appraisal. We start with "the old men of the realm" catching sight of the world's most beautiful woman in Book Three of the poem:

So they waited,
the old chiefs of Troy, as they sat aloft the tower.
And catching sight of Helen moving along the ramparts,
they murmured one to another, gentle, winged words:
"Who on earth could blame them? Ah, no wonder
the men of Troy and Argives under arms have suffered
years of agony all for her
, for such a woman.
Beauty, terrible beauty! 
A deathless goddess—so she strikes our eyes!
But still,
ravishing as she is, let her go home in the long ships
and not be left behind, for us and our children
down the years an irresistible sorrow."

The old men blamed Helen for the years of agony; the noble King Priam did not. Addressing her as "dear child," he tells her he "holds the gods to blame for bringing this war upon me."

This is the kind of conduct which separates Trojan civilization from the toxicity down by the shore. That said, Helen has internalized a type of sexual politics:

And Helen the radiance of women answered Priam.
"I revere you so, dear father, dread you too—
if only death had pleased me then, grim death,
that day I followed your son to Troy, forsaking
my marriage bed, my kinsmen and my child,
my favorite, now full-grown,
and the lovely comradeship of women my own age.
Death never came, so now I can only waste away in tears..."

Helen assails herself, even more sharply, at other points in the poem. Right here, at the dawn of the west, a certain familiar sexual politics seems to be in play.

In our view, a certain "hall of mirrors" connection links our embrace of Stormy Daniels to the ten-year siege of Troy. Today, as then, it almost strikes us this way:

In the end, the only thing we humans actually care about is the question of who gets access to the women. 

We don't need no stinking "issues." In the end, we only care about matters like that. 

So it went in the siege of Troy, but also in the silly, embarrassing criminal charges lodged against Donald J. Trump. So it went in the ludicrous claim that we needed to know if he had engaged in consensual sex, on that one occasion ten years before, before we could know how to vote.

Red America's thought leaders are routinely just this side of insane. But it seems to us, if you know how to squint, that Blue America's vaunted thought leaders are a giant embarrassment too.

How did we ever reach this place? Also, who has been more ridiculous in the past forty years, Red thought leaders or Blue?

Tomorrow: "A [democracy], if you can keep it."


62 comments:

  1. Could we make peace with Putin by offering him Margery Taylor Green or Hillary Clinton?

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    1. He doesn't want them. He wants you and Cecelia.

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  3. In a Democracy, when you have an election, the winner assumes office and the loser accepts defeat. Donald Trump, as he has in every contest he has been in including the Emmy Awards, lost, and then claimed the results were "rigged" against him.
    But in 2020 he took it further, trying to set up a national effort to throw the results into chaos so he could remain in power. Then, in an effort Bob refuses to admit or write about( I'm talking about his fey, shameful dismissal of the Jan 6th hearings) sent a band of thugs to our national's Capitol to try and terrorize our Congress into producing the chaos that way. Remarkably, people of very low morals like David in Ca brought him back to run for President again. If this bothers Bob, he's keeping it to himself, as he is a pious, stupid as@hole.
    "And yet you still read him!" is the best his defenders can do. But they do not address that Bob is unconcerned with the very basis of Democracy, that there are free and fair elections.

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    1. To be fair, I mostly skim Bob’s posts, they are insufferably bad. It’s interesting views like yours, why most of “still read him”.

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    2. Bob's decline has been painful to watch. I keep coming back for David and Cecelia.

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  4. Few credibly think the work attributed to Homer is “brilliant” or instructive in any way, in large part because it is a goofy fantasy involving behavior few can relate to.

    Somerby wants to use storytelling to manipulate others, to make them question their support for the blue tribe, and to find common cause with the red tribe in order to promote a right wing worldview that involves a diminishment in the primacy of democracy.

    Somerby’s goal is not noble, and his methods for achieving his dubious goal are ineffective.

    If Biden wins, Somerby wants you to think that does not cut against his views, but in reality it will.

    Eminently more captivating than Homer’s work, one can hop on YouTube and watch Heather Cox Richardson’s history of the Republican Party, which seems like a great story, except it’s not, it’s a description of what actually happened, with Richardson providing context, like explaining the fundamental conflict in America between equality and protecting property.

    https://youtu.be/tNUuenXL83Q?si=qWB3T0N7YeuV8RMp

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  5. When I hear about "threats to the future of American democracy", what comes to mind is: fuck off, and go demagogue someone else.

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  6. Noam Chomsky is NOT dead, apparently.

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    1. Chomsky is a great man. He seems to be no longer active, and I miss him.

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  7. James Kent, Sara Facio, Allan Saxe, and
    Ricardo Rubina have died.

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    1. When you were here before
      Couldn't look you in the eye
      You're just like an angel
      Your skin makes me cry
      You float like a feather
      In a beautiful world
      I wish I was special
      You're so fucking special

      But I'm a creep
      I'm a weirdo
      What the hell am I doing here?
      I don't belong here

      I don't care if it hurts
      I want to have control
      I want a perfect body
      I want a perfect soul
      I want you to notice
      When I'm not around
      You're so fucking special
      I wish I was special

      But I'm a creep
      I'm a weirdo
      What the hell am I doing here?
      I don't belong here

      Oh, oh

      She's running out again
      She's running out
      She run, run, run, run
      Run

      Whatever makes you happy
      Whatever you want
      You're so fucking special
      I wish I was special

      But I'm a creep
      I'm a weirdo
      What the hell am I doing here?
      I don't belong here
      I don't belong here

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  8. Somerby doesn’t like how the polls are shifting, so he is looking to distract people from them and diminish their significance, although back when the polls were more advantageous to Trump he was happy to weaponize them for fear mongering.

    Hypocrisy is a helluva drug.

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  9. "In a new poll from Fox News, he's moved ahead of Candidate Trump by two points nationwide. "

    Of course American presidents are not elected by nationwide majority.

    But also: the poll in question is a poll of registered voters. How that trial might affect the turnout is a different story.

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  10. Menelaus, king of Sparta, was Agamemnon's brother, not his son.

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  11. Donald Sutherland has died.

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    1. I’m sad to hear that. A couple of months or so ago I saw one of his old movies. Eye of the Needle. There’s a delightfully unnerving sense of menace about him.

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    2. In Klute he was not menacing but reassuring. A versatile actor.

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    3. Thanks, I’ll stream it,

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    4. He wasn't menacing in Animal House either.

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    5. In Animal House he was a professor who dated female students.

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    6. The film Animal House depicts a wide variety of deplorable behavior. That is the point of it.

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    7. Tom Hulce was in Animal House. Later he played the title role in Amadeus. Every time I listen to a Mozart piano concerto, I see Hulce.

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    8. My first boyfriend in college taught chemistry.

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  12. "We apologize for one choice of words:"

    Presumably, Somerby is giggling over the word "booty". Tres tres juvenile.

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  13. "The loss of Helen was perceived as a blow to Achaean honor. The legion of lunatics down by the shore have been fighting and dying for almost ten years trying to get her back."

    Avenging an insult to honor is not a matter of getting anything back, certainly not Helen. It is a matter of proving that one's manhood is intact. The goal is to restore honor by proving manliness, usually by inflicting punishment on someone.

    There are cultures that hold that a man's honor must be restored when a woman who is his property has been sullied. If she is raped (through no fault of her own), the girl is killed to restore the owner's (father, husband, brother) honor. She is killed because she is soiled and thus a disgrace to her family, even if she did nothing wrong.

    Treating Helen or any other woman in this stupid poem as if she had the kind of agency a modern woman has, is a distortion of the past and of what was intended by the author. So, it is unlikely Helen ran off with Paris, knowing that her actions would be punishable by death. She was taken as "booty" (cue Somerby's giggles in the wings).

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    1. Aphrodite gave Helen to Paris, because Paris judged Aphrodite more beautiful than Hera and Athena.

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    2. Anonymouse 9:20pm, it’s my suspicion that when Homer described Hector’s wife as being “generous”, he meant that she didn’t get too distraught over Hector’s occasional flings.

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    3. Based on what?

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    4. Anonymouse 9:56, based on good ole Homer.

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    5. Please quote the part that supports your view. In a time where women were property, husbands didn’t worry about what their wives thought about liaisons with other women. They had no veto or right to an opinion.

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    6. Anonymouse 10:47pm, why must you pretend that you just got off the boat yesterday…cuz Somerby?

      Women were certainly legally under a man’s thumb in those days, but that doesn’t preclude men from not wanting to be in the emotional dog house. There are a thousand ways for women to make men pay for their flaws in any domestic situation. They add up to a less than generous and accommodating home-life. The vast majority of men were not, are not, and never will be, complete islands, unattached from their wife and home.

      Homer lauded the generosity of a woman in his time. Your own argument suggests that there would be no other way for a woman to be generous to her husband, other than her temperament toward him.

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    7. Did homer call Helen an extortionist? Cuz that’s what Somerby called Stormy Daniels.

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  14. "This was the sexual politics which lay at the heart of human striving at the dawn of the west. Moving right along..."

    Somerby refers to the way women are treated as objects throughout the Iliad. Calling the absolute lack of power "sexual politics" is ridiculous, as is moving right along as if this were not worth further comment.

    I do not understand how a good decent human being can idealize and laud a book like The Iliad when it contains such atrocities committed against women (who are half the population, even in that time period). It would be like presenting a novel and gushing over it and using it as the source of wisdom about current conditions, when it centered on slavery of black people. Saying "yes but look at the rest of the poem" doesn't excuse the wrongs being done to women (or slaves, in the example).

    Wrong is wrong and we do not set aside the wrong to consider the rest of the poem, as if it redeemed that wrong. Except, Somerby does. And that makes him scum, in my opinion.

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    1. There’s a lot of slavery in the Iliad.

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    2. Maybe that's why Somerby likes it so much. Those were the good ole days to him.

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    3. Anonymouse 7:45pm, yeah, Bob fondly remembers the nineteenth century.

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    4. That’s not when the Iliad was written.

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    5. Anonymous 10:04pm, but slavery existed here in the U.S. then. It’s too much of a stretch to put Bob in the Mediterranean BC.

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  15. "Helen assails herself, even more sharply, at other points in the poem."

    Easy to blame a woman who isn't around to defend herself because women didn't write epic poems in any previous time period. Men wrote The Iliad, so of course Helen is to blame.

    Part of the stereotype of women up to modern times has been that they are not in control of their passions, their lust, and are thus easily tempted (including by the devil) and must be guarded, watched over, limited by chastity belts and chaperones, lest they betray the men who own them. Even Descartes said that this was because women are akin to animals because they lack reason, men's highest faculty and the faculty that allows men (only) to know God.

    Like the racism that accompanied slavery in the US, with its mythology of racial inferiority, there has been sexism to justify the subjugation and mistreatment, often slavery, of women based on their sexual inferiority. Somerby of course will not examine any of that. He blames Knox but it was Homer who put words into Helen's mouth and male Greeks who wrote the Iliad to please a male audience, since women were not generally literate in that time period.

    But Somerby thinks this stupid poem has something to teach modern readers. I think Somerby has his head up his ass.

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    1. Anonymouse 7:41pm, you obviously didn’t read Bob’s blog, but you’re blabbing away.

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    2. If you disagree, be specific.

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    3. Why don’t you bother to read where Bob disagreed with Helen when she blamed herself for ten years of war and death, while Archean males played war on the beach for a decade.

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    4. Helen never existed. She is fictional. It is fair to question why the author had Helen blame herself. Somerby is not disagreeing with Helen but with Homer. Playing war imlies no one was being hurt.

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    5. Anonymouse 10:44pm, so what then is your quarrel? If Somerby is bemoaning Homer’s construct of women as being the madness of men, why is it inconsistent for him to suggest that Stormy Daniels has currently been on our grand 21st century stage as the judgment impairing vixen that the public must unwrap in order to “rightfully” determine how to vote?

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    6. Because the hush money case was not about Stormy but about election fraud which has nothing to do with Homer, much less Helen. And Somerby knows nothing about women, feminism, or sex positive women like Stormy (who he has called a grifter despite Trump doing the bad deeds).

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    7. Anonymouse 10:44pm, “playing war” does NOT imply that people weren’t being hurt. They obviously were being hurt, but the lust for the epic at the beach, beat the mundane, less-than-epic scenario of real life, even if it was only being relayed by a traveling storyteller.

      There’s a wealth of human experience from Homer straight to little old us.

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    8. Anonymouse 11:18pm, Stormy and Trump made a bargain from jump. A quid pro quo of a tv role that didn’t work out, so they went to plan B.

      The formulation that any attempt to cover up the one night stand was tantamount to cheating the voters is one that come Democrats and it’s ludicrous.

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    9. That’s your opinion but a jury decided otherwise.

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    10. Wealth to you, but you’re easy because you don’t know anything.

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    11. Anonymouse 11:35pm, and you pretend to not know a damn thing about human nature and then credit THAT playact to having studied psychology. Why? Bob… .

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    12. Trump also covered up an affair with Karen McDougal, not just a one night stand, and the doorman’s story. What idiocy emanates from Somerby and his pathetic defenders.

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  16. "In our view, a certain "hall of mirrors" connection links our embrace of Stormy Daniels to the ten-year siege of Troy. Today, as then, it almost strikes us this way:

    In the end, the only thing we humans actually care about is the question of who gets access to the women. "

    This is wrong in so many ways.

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    1. Stormy and Helen were both women, except Helen was fictional and likely never existed except in some man’s imagination whereas Stormy is real. That’s a very tenuous connection.

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    2. Women surely do care who has access to them (what a crude formulation). We have consent now, which means women get to choose.

      Somerby is perhaps mooning over The Iliad, where women were objects, because no woman would say yes to him in real life.

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    3. Somerby has gone off the deep end.

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    4. The quoted statement from Somerby is the most brain dead preposterous thing he’s ever said, and that includes a lot of stuff.

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    5. Somerby has explicitly called Stormy Daniels an extortionist. How does Helen of Troy fit in?

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  17. Cecelia is like MTG. She just wants lot of attention and will say anything to get it.

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  18. Perhaps some voters care about whether a candidate had a “one night stand” with a porn star and a “multi night stand” with a playboy model, while his wife (or the nanny) was nursing an infant child. It isn’t even wrong for them to care about that, but according to Somerby, they have no right to know and Trump and Cohen should have been awarded a Medal of Honor for keeping voters from knowing.

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