DIAGNOSING TRUMP: But also picturing Lukashenko!

MONDAY, APRIL 27, 2020

Teaching Gartner's diagnosis, flat and round:
Say hello to Aleksandr Lukashenko, aspiring president-for-life of little, forlorn Belarus.

Under a slightly different name, Belarus was once a Soviet Socialist Republic. Lukashenko has served as the nation's strongman president ever since the position was established in 1994.
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In Sunday's print editions, the New York Times profiled the 66-year-old Belarusian strongman. You can even see a photo of him cavorting in his hockey gear—but here's how the profile began:
KRAMER (4/26/20): As he headed off the ice after playing a hockey game in an amateur tournament in late March, the leader of Belarus brushed aside reporters’ anxious questions about the coronavirus pandemic.

“There are no viruses here,” said the Belarusian president
, Aleksandr G. Lukashenko, gesturing to the crowded arena. “Do you see any of them flying around? I don’t see them either.”

At a time when some countries, like Germany and Denmark, having tamped down the initial outbreak of the virus, are experimenting with cautious openings of businesses and schools, Belarus is an outlier. It never imposed any restrictions at all.

Restaurants, coffee shops and movie theaters remain open. Last weekend, churches were packed for Orthodox Easter. Professional soccer is in full swing, though the roaring crowds of earlier this month have thinned. In the capital, Minsk, the subways are crowded.
“There are no viruses here,” the bluster-based Belarusian declared. “Do you see any of them flying around?”

Presumably, Lukashenko knows that viruses can't be seen by the naked eye. His statement likely was "sarcastic," or some version of same.

Still and all, the president explicitly said that there are no viruses in Belarus. Obviously, the coronavirus is on the scene in that forlorn land. As time goes by, it's very likely to do substantial damage.

Lukashenko's bluster may recall various statements by our own president, Donald J. Trump. A comical bit of recent Belarusian history may recall some of the more disordered claims our own president has made in the recent past.

At issue is one of Lukashenko's many re-elections, the one he enjoyed in 2006.

According to the leading authority on the matter, the heads of all 25 EU countries declared that the election had been "fundamentally flawed." The Bush White House said it believed that the election had been rigged and called for a new election.

Setting such niceties to the side, Lukashenko won the election—and he won it very big. Comically, the blustering strongman said this:
Lukashenko later stated that he had rigged the election results, but against himself, in order to obtain a majority more typical of European countries. Although he had won 93.5% of the vote, he said, he had directed the government to announce a result of 86%.
Though he'd really won 93.5% of the vote, Lukashenko directed the government to say it was just 86! That's the way an election may go with a fellow like this in command. For the full statement, click here.

How strong is Lukashenko's real support? We have no way of knowing. That said, we couldn't help thinking of President Trump when we encountered that comically gonzo statement.

We thought of the busloads of voters from Massachusetts who crossed into New Hampshire in November 2016, costing Candidate Trump that state. We thought of the millions of illegal voters in California that same year. Their illegal votes explain why Candidate Trump seemed to lose the popular vote to "Crooked Hillary" by almost three million votes.

In such ways, the weird behaviors of Lukashenko may recall the weird behaviors of our own President Trump. But there's one extremely large difference between these two world figures:

Within our storehouse of political imagery, Lukashenko is a classic Eastern European, Soviet-era strongman. Within our political culture, we have familiar, Borat-flavored frameworks for understanding the weird behaviors of such a peculiar man.

Within our withered political culture, we have established ways to picture the behavior of a fellow like Lukashenko. But when it comes to our own president, it may be harder for us to see a certain possibility:

It may be harder to see the possibility that something is badly wrong with President Trump, or to come to terms with what the problem may be.

Lukashenko is a Soviet-era strongman, perhaps with a Borat tone. By way of contrast, President Trump has been a familiar figure within mainstream American culture since the 1970s.

He was once a popular "reality show" TV star. Sadly enough, a high-end figure like Diane Sawyer once asked Marla Maples, on network TV, if sex with the Donald had really been the best sex she ever had!

For better or worse, President Trump has been with us, and with our highest-end TV stars, pretty much forever. Unlike Lukashenko, Donald J. Trump is one of us—one of our own—and he's been so for a long time.

Donald Trump isn't a comical foreign figure; he's long been one of our own. For this reason, it may be hard for us to picture him in certain ways—for example, to imagine the possibility that he may be severely mentally ill.

We mention that obvious possibility for a reason. In the wake of our president's most recent strange behavior, a major psychologist has come forward with a direct diagnosis of Trump.

That psychologist is John Gartner, who recently spoke about President Trump with Salon's Chauncey DeVega. Who the heck is Dr. Gartner? DeVega tells us this:
DEVEGA (4/25/20): Psychologist and psychotherapist John Gartner [was a] contributor to the bestselling book "The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump"...

Dr. Gartner taught for many years at the Johns Hopkins University Medical School, and has private therapeutic practices in Baltimore and New York
, specializing in the treatment of borderline personality disorders.
The best-selling book to which DeVega refers is the book which was compiled and edited by Yale's Dr. Bandy X. Lee. In that book, Lee attempted to initiate a difficult discussion—a discussion the upper-end American press corps has refused to conduct.

Once again, who is Gartner? According to the leading authority, Gartner graduated magna cum laude from Princeton; received a doctorate in clinical psychology from UMass; then completed post-doctoral training at Cornell.

He was a part-time professor at Hopkins from 1987 through 2015. He's a psychotherapist who specializes in the treatment of borderline personality disorder, bipolar disorder and depression. He's a widely published author of articles for scientific journals.

None of this mean that something has to be true just because Gartner says it. But a certain irony obtains in the ongoing coverage of our own Donald Trump:

Even as Trump is routinely criticized for ignoring the advice of technical specialists in various fields, Gartner is the kind of technical specialist—the kind of "expert"—the upper-end press corps has itself refused to consult.

In his interview with DeVega, Gartner offers a diagnosis of our own blustering president. It isn't right because Gartner has said it. But should it be ignored?

In truth, Gartner offers an extremely dire diagnosis of President Trump. On April 6, Jennifer Senior suggested a similar diagnosis in an opinion column in the New York Times, but Gartner takes the diagnosis to a much scarier place.

Senior is a journalist; Gartner's a psychotherapist. That said, Donald Trump is one of our own, and that has made it very hard for many people to consider the possibility that he may be mentally ill, even severely so.

As Americans, we have pictures of Soviet-era strongmen we can apply to figures like Lukashenko. It's harder for us to access pictures which may apply to a highly disordered person who's also one of our own.

In part, this raises the question of whether we believe in severe psychiatric illness at all. When we hear about "sociopaths," we may tend hink of outlandish Hollywood figures like Hannibal Lecter.

We may tend to think that a sociopath has to be someone like that. We may picture Hannibal Lecter and picture no one else.

So we may tend to assume. But the National Institutes of Health has said that 5.5 percent of American males could be diagnosed as sociopaths!

That assessment will likely sound strange to most Americans. Within our intellectually unimpressive culture, we rarely discuss such topics in any serious way at all.

Within the American market, Gartner's dire diagnosis of President Trump would be very hard to sell. That doesn't mean that his diagnosis is wrong. In part, it means that his diagnosis hasn't been couched in a way which makes it palatable for our convention-based upper-end mainstream press corps.

Indeed, the boys and girls of the upper-end press haven't been willing to go there at all. As Trump engages in constant delusions, they close their own eyes and ears to a fairly obvious possibility:

Could something be severely wrong with our sitting president? Is it possible that our own Lukashenko is (severely) mentally ill?

Dr. Gartner has opined that Trump is severely ill. Borrowing from President Johnson, wee can teach that diagnosis flat or round, and we'll do so all week.

Is something wrong with President Trump? Is it possible that, as Gartner says, he is severely (and dangerously) ill?

For ourselves, we've long counseled pity for such such "beaten children of the Earth," even when their disorders lead them to do terrible things.

We've counseled pity for President Trump and for others so afflicted. But the upper-end press corps has refused to consult with specialists like Gartner. They speak from a no-go zone.

Do we even believe in mental illness? It isn't entirely clear that we do.

If we do, has Donald Trump caught that particular virus? Our press corps refuses to ask.

Tomorrow: Gartner's (severe) diagnosis

Still coming: Was Joseph Stalin "mentally ill?" How about Adolf Hitler?

Do we really believe in "mental illness" at all? Hannibal Lecter to the side, is there any such thing as a "sociopath?"

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  1. Here is a list of reasons why the press doesn't just walk out of the president's briefings:

    https://pressthink.org/2020/04/why-dont-they-just-walk-out/

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  2. "In such ways, the weird behaviors of Lukashenko may recall the weird behaviors of our own President Trump."

    Somerby lists the false statements by Trump about actual election results in MA and CA. Then he compares that to what may be a true statement by Lukashenko, that he fixed his election results to give him 86% instead of 93% of his vote. Lukashenko may have been joking or he may have been telling the truth. We know that Trump was lying (not joking, lying) about his results.

    Has it reached the point where Somerby cannot tell the difference between presidential lies about true results and actual fake results by a strong man (dictator)?

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  3. "How strong is Lukashenko's real support?"

    As far as I can tell, extremely strong. I also saw somewhere that he's the most admired politician by Ukrainians.

    He saved his country from the disastrous 'privatization' in the 90s, and now he's trying to calm down the stupid virus panic.

    A great guy, more power to him.

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    1. A real man of the people

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    2. Mao probably lives there.

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  4. Somerby keeps saying that Gartner has diagnosed Trump. A professional psychologist (someone with a license and the proper degree and training) cannot diagnose someone without assessing him in person. A professional assessment does not consist of reading his statements in the paper or watching him on TV. It requires talking to him in person, observing his behavior and often, administering tests. Then applying professional judgment to the results. Gartner did not do that, so his "diagnosis" is not a professional one but an opinion.

    Professional ethics, as stated by the American Psychological Association and incorporated into most state licensing laws, forbids remote diagnosis of the type that Gartner has done (since Trump is not and never has been his patient). This is why there is disagreement among psychologists about the appropriateness of what he has done. It is wrong to do this.

    If Somerby is serious about Trump being mentally ill, why does Somerby never call for use of Article 25? Why doesn't he call for Trump to be removed from office? Do you just "pity" a president who is causing our country serious damage? If Somerby believes his own words, why doesn't he call for the cabinet and congress to act on that diagnosis?

    What is the point of labeling someone without doing anything about them? Clinical psychologists label people in order to treat them. Somerby seems to be okay with just excusing Trump.

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    1. I think "diagnosed" is used informally here. They are observing patterns of abnormal behavior portending of a mental illness. Does this sound better?

      Trump is showing signs of mental degradation, whether caused by his age or stress or some other factors. That's not what makes him dangerous as president though. Besides, it's hard to distinguish his alleged mental illness from his personality disorder.

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    2. What you are saying isn't what Somerby is saying.

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    3. What you are saying isn't what Somerby is saying.
      I don't disagree with you on that.

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    4. Per New York State’s Office of the Professions, John Douglas Gartner holds license 010555 in the profession of psychology. He is registered though 7/31/2023. His address is Townsend, MD, but he appears not to be licensed in Maryland. So, in New York at least, Gartner is allowed by law to all himself a professional psychologist. Can you say the same, professor?

      From Section 9: Assessment of the American Psychological Association’s code of ethics:

      9.01 Bases for Assessments
      (a) Psychologists base the opinions contained in their recommendations, reports, and diagnostic or evaluative statements, including forensic testimony, on information and techniques sufficient to substantiate their findings. …

      (b) Except as noted in 9.01c, psychologists provide opinions of the psychological characteristics of individuals only after they have conducted an examination of the individuals adequate to support their statements or conclusions. When, despite reasonable efforts, such an examination is not practical, psychologists document the efforts they made and the result of those efforts, clarify the probable impact of their limited information on the reliability and validity of their opinions, and appropriately limit the nature and extent of their conclusions or recommendations. …

      (c) When psychologists conduct a record review or provide consultation or supervision and an individual examination is not warranted or necessary for the opinion, psychologists explain this and the sources of information on which they based their conclusions and recommendations.
      (Emphasis mine.)

      So you may not like Gartner’s diagnosis because it doesn’t meet your standards, but it appears that the APA has incorporated enough wiggle room to accommodate Gartner

      As far as I can tell, the APA guidelines are not incorporated into the licensing laws of New York state, which defines illegality through the Rules of the Board of Regents. The BoR defines the practice of psychology as determining “appropriate diagnosis” and “proper treatment.” “Appropriate” is not defined, and all their rules intend to protect patients from things like shady billing practices, abuse (sexual and otherwise), misrepresentation, or unauthorized prescription of medication and performing of invasive procedures.

      Neither do the APA guidelines appear to have been incorporated into the California Board of Psychology Laws and Regulations, which is mostly concerned with protecting patients, i.e., those who have sought consultations with licensed psychologists. If I’ve missed something, professor, perhaps you can correct me.

      Gartner defends his diagnosis on the grounds that the DSM-V defines mental illnesses via behavioral considerations, and Trump’s aberrant behavior is on display for all to see. There indeed has been pushback from other psychologists about the propriety of Gartner’s diagnosis, but it seems unlikely from what I’ve read that Gartner’s license is any danger.

      Gartner’s diagnosis is just that, a judgment of a professional. There’s no call for scare quotes. And by judgment, I mean opinion, which is pretty much what all psychological diagnoses are.

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  5. "Do we even believe in mental illness? It isn't entirely clear that we do.

    If we do, has Donald Trump caught that particular virus? Our press corps refuses to ask."

    If Somerby doesn't believe in mental illness, what is he doing beating that drum and waving that flag? Why is he using the construct of mental illness to pity and excuse Trump at every turn? It seems hypocritical to use an idea you don't believe in to assert a desired conclusion, as Somerby has done repeatedly here. And to what end? What does it gain anyone if the press rushes forward to accuse Trump of being mentally ill, the American people are divided and divisions are deepened between them? I believe it would rally Trump's base around them, since if Trump is mentally ill, so must they be for supporting him, seeing nothing wrong with his behavior. And this is all happening during an election year.

    Psychology itself isn't very popular. People feel threatened by its invasiveness. They reject whatever it says that isn't flattering to them, or that might be troubling, or that might raise issues they would prefer not to recognize. The field itself is abused despite its many contributions. Using psychology to attack Trump would backfire on Trump's opponents, in my opinion. It would be like Hillary Clinton's deplorables statement, but worse. Hillary was correct in her characterization of Trump's supporters, but soon all of The Other were wearing proud t-shirts proclaiming their deplorable status. I can see Trump's supporters this year, wearing their "Proud to be Mentally Ill" Trump gear, without any sense of irony. This is all Somerby can hope to achieve with his suggestions, but it might be enough to bump Trump's numbers up a bit, especially among those who don't believe in expertise or science, or psychology (unless it is being used like astrology to tell us how our favorite color predicts success in love and money). Big mistake, Somerby. But he keeps urging liberals down that path.

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    1. Mental illness isn't a virus. You don't "catch" it.

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    2. Some mental illnesses are contagious and are caused by bacteria and viruses and you can catch them, e.g. Syphilis causes mental illness; rabbis is another example.

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    3. Rabbis are definitely not contagious. In fact, it's almost impossible to catch one, especially if you want to convert.

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    4. Clinical psychologists differentiate between mental illness and organic (physiological) problems that cause mental or behavioral symptoms.

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    5. Rabbis is obviously transmissible; don't know if that is formally different from contagious.
      Clinical Psychologists don't deal with mental illness. Psychiatrists do.

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    6. Ilya, don't be an idiot. Clinical psychologists do deal with mental illness -- it is why they are called "clinical". They can prescribe meds too. Psychiatrists are physicians with a speciality in mental illness, but they deal with differential diagnosis of organic vs psychiatric conditions too. Clinical psychologists deal with the behavioral aspects of coping with and adjusting to mental illness. They also do testing to determine mental capacity following strokes, brain injury, surgery.

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    7. Ilya, seriously? As in seriously, don't be an idiot. Rabbis is the plural of rabbi, the term for a Jewish religious leader. The viral disease is rabies.

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    8. deadrat, seriously? Don't be an asshole. Wait, too much to ask.

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  6. The accusation of mental illness is past its pull date. Four years ago we had to guess how Trump would perform as President. Alleged sexual misbehavior, ruthless business practices, and psychiatric "diagnoses" could help us make this guess about Trump. Today people judge Trump's ability to be President based on his actual performance as President. Those who like what he has accomplished, we will vote for four more years of it.

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    1. Hopefully they'll follow Trump's suggestion and drink bleach before they get the chance to vote in Nov.

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    2. TDS is keeping people from appreciating that it was Trump, who crashed the economy so bad, it exposed the fact that no one really believes in free market, small government ideology. For that exposure to every man, woman, and child in this country, I am truly grateful.

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    3. What has Trump accomplished? There are 28 million unemployed now -- is that one of his accomplishments?

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    4. Be fair to David. Trump has also generated the biggest national deficit ever, drove this country to the brink of another depression, and caused the deaths of about 56000 Americans and counting, but at least he made his billionaire friends a lot richer and Ivanka was able to scoop up 18 Trademarks in China in less than 2 months.

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    5. As someone noted to me in a conversation: Trump made his name by telling people on his show: "you're fired"... and now millions of people are out of work. Isn't this...what's the word...ironic?

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  7. "Could something be severely wrong with our sitting president? Is it possible that our own Lukashenko is (severely) mentally ill?"

    What is the evidence that Lukashenko (or any similar strongman dictator) is mentally ill? He seems like a successful leader.

    Also, it seems unfair for Somerby to claim he was cavorting in Hockey clothes when he was described by the press as playing in an amateur game. Cavorting is fake, but playing is real.

    Somerby wants to portray Lukashenko and Trump as both fakes, but Lukashenko seems a lot more real than Trump.

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    1. Everyone who doesn't speak in the proscribed manner of a lying politician is a mentally ill witch.

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  8. Somerby compares Trump to a dictator who blatantly stole an election. His "Still coming" compares Trump to Hitler and Stalin. These examples subtly imply that Trump is a harsh dictator, but without providing any evidence of such.

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    1. Fuck off.
      As if evidence and reality were ever your concerns.

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    2. Go fuck yourself, David, you fascist prick.

      But first,

      ‘I would like you to do us a favour though’

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    3. What a coincidence, Trump blatantly stole an election too -- with Russia's help.

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    4. Mr Lukashenko hasn't stolen anything, dear David.

      What he has done, is actually preventing, saving his country's industries and natural resources from being stolen.

      According to wikipedia:
      "President Alexander Lukashenko approval rating is at 76.6%, according to the relevant opinion poll conducted by the Information and Analysis Center in August 2015, BelTA. Some 74.1% of Belarusians believe that the decisions that the President makes meet the interests of the common people. Some 77.1% of the respondents agree that Alexander Lukashenko's policies lead the country in the right direction."

      With 77% approval, you don't 'steal' elections.

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    5. according to the relevant opinion poll conducted by the Information and Analysis Center in August 2015, BelTA.

      Bwahahahaha! According to an arm of the Lukashenko government, everybody loves Lukashenko!

      Please. Don’t we at long last deserve better trolling?

      With apologies to Yakov Smirnoff, in America you inform pollster. In Belarus, pollster informs on you.

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    6. Yes, dembot, we're well aware: if it's not on CNN, it's Putin's propaganda. Calm down.

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  9. What fucking Trumptards don't get it that he is destroying or has destroyed the political institutions and practices that allow peaceful democracy. His constant lying degrades public discourse to the point where only the most hateful and divisive voices are heard. He fucking never stopped having political rallies to whip up hate amongst his followers.
    I could go on and on but if you can't fucking figure out that he's a cancer you're too far gone.

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    1. You're voting for someone who raped a young woman who worked for him.

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    2. 12:33,
      Are you suggesting that Biden is more Supreme Court material, because he fits in with rapists like Clarence Thomas and Brett Kavanaugh?

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    3. What fucking Trumptards don't get it that he is destroying or has destroyed the political institutions and practices that allow peaceful democracy.

      What makes you think feral Trumpers don’t get this? As they say: feature, not bug.

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  10. "Presumably, Lukashenko knows that viruses can't be seen by the naked eye. His statement likely was "sarcastic," or some version of same."

    Yes, dear Bob, what it means is this: 'don't be afraid, don't panic'.

    Y'know, dear Bob, you're diagnosing everyone around, and this prose you write, it diagnoses you.

    I can see two possibilities here: either you're severely autistic, or you're a shameless dembot hack.

    Tsk. Which one is it, dear Bob? Well, I suppose it could be a combination of both...

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    1. Mao,
      You're paid to cheer on Trump giving the US Treasury to the establishment elite, not Lukashenko.
      Get back to work.

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    2. ma0 ma0 * $$$

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  11. He-he, talk about stealing elections, dear Bob:

    "ALBANY – New York has cancelled its Democratic presidential primary for 2020 amid concern over the spread of the coronavirus, angering Bernie Sanders supporters who were hoping to win more delegates to influence their party's platform.

    The state's Democratic election commissioners voted Monday to remove Sanders and nine other presidential candidates from the New York ballot, making use of a new measure in state law allowing them to do so if a candidate publicly suspends his or her campaign."

    Quite a timely topic, I must say. I wonder what your "the leading authority on the matter" is going to say about it. Not a word, no doubt.

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  12. “we rarely discuss such topics in any serious way at all.”

    DeVega’s piece was not a discussion. It was a one-sided promotion of Gartner’s views, with DeVega egging him on.

    And if “None of this mean that something has to be true just because Gartner says it”, that might suggest that Gartner is wrong, either in whole or in part. Where was the countervailing voice in DeVega’s piece?

    Also, DeVega poses a question:
    “But to merely document the Trump regime's deadly failures in response to the coronavirus pandemic is to ignore the most important question: What were Trump and his advisers' underlying motivations?”

    (Italics mine.)

    What is Gartner’s answer? “Donald Trump is a malignant narcissist.”

    But that doesn’t fully answer the question. Even granting that Trump is a “malignant narcissist”, what about his advisers'? Are they also malignant narcissists?

    Ignoring this part of the question misses an important aspect of the rise of Donald Trump.

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    1. Even granting that Trump is a “malignant narcissist”, what about his advisers'? Are they also malignant narcissists?

      Some perhaps, but neither his advisers nor his followers need embody the worst of their leader. It’s common to find ordinary, unremarkable people marching to the beat of an ideologue.

      Ignoring this part of the question misses an important aspect of the rise of Donald Trump.

      The question has long had an answer. You just have to get used to the fact that 40% of your fellow citizens are just fine with a lying, grifting sociopath. We’d like to believe they’re also obvious lying, grifting, sociopaths. But they’re not: they walk amongst us as human.

      It is somewhat surprising to me that they lend their approval to someone who’s also a monumental buffoon. But that’s merely a matter of degree.

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  13. “None of this mean that something has to be true just because Gartner says it”
    ...
    “We've counseled pity for President Trump and for others so afflicted. But the upper-end press corps has refused to consult with specialists like Gartner. They speak from a no-go zone.”

    There is a bit of doublespeak here. Somerby acknowledges that Gartner may not be right about Trump, but then proceeds from the assumption that he is. (He is “so afflicted”, not “he may be so afflicted.”)

    It almost seems as though Somerby wants this discussion to affirm Trump’s mental illness (and/or personality disorder, if those are supposed to be equivalent) in order to counsel pity for Trump, rather than, say, anger, or a desire for accountability. Does he recommend the Dems run on a platform of “We pity Trump and don’t hold him responsible”?

    And perhaps Gartner should be asked what should be done about Trump, or whether he agrees with Somerby that Trump isn’t at fault and should be pitied. Gartner is the expert with an impressive resumΓ©, after all.

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