Starting tomorrow: “ACADEMIA, DO WE HAVE A PROBLEM?”

MONDAY, MAY 31, 2021

Our Town's thought leaders gone wild: A reader could almost imagine that Sarah Viren had buried the lede.

Viren's fascinating report appeared in yesterday's New York Times Sunday Magazine. The lengthy report was headlined as shown:

The Native Scholar Who Wasn’t
More than a decade ago, a prominent academic was exposed for having faked her Cherokee ancestry. Why has her career continued to thrive?

In the main, Viren's report deals with a false, possibly fraudulent claim of Native American ancestry on the part of one "prominent academic." That prominent academic would be Andrea Smith, who currently seems to be a professor in the Ethnic Studies department at  Cal Riverside. 

In the main, Viren's report deals with just that one "prominent" person. But this type of false or fraudulent claim seems to be amazingly widespread.

Has Professor Smith falsely claimed to be Native American (more specifically, Cherokee) and a person of color? Has she built a "prominent" academic career on this false foundation?

Apparently, the answer is yes—but apparently, Smith isn't along. Very deep into her piece, Viren unveiled a much wider claim:

VIREN (5/30/21): It’s a problem that has been known at least since 1992, when, in an early use of the term “ethnic fraud” in a newspaper, The Detroit News published an investigation into what were then known as box-checkers: students who [inaccurately] identify as Native American on their college applications...It was accompanied by a shorter piece about similar lies by Native-identified faculty. Of the 1,500 university educators listed as Native American at the time, said Bill Cross, who helped found the American Indian/Alaska Native Professors Association, “we’re looking realistically at one-third of those being Indians.” 

Say what? "Of the 1,500 university educators listed as Native American" as of 1992, roughly a thousand may have been making false claims concerning their ancestry / identity? As many as two-thirds of these educators may have been making false claims?

Can those remarkable statements be true? We can't answer that question. But in her preceding paragraph, Viren had quoted Kim TallBear, a Sisseton-Wahpeton Oyate professor at the University of Alberta, addressing the sweep of the problem. 

“There are so many fakes in academia,” Tallbear was quoted saying. Referring to the flap about Smith which reached critical mass in 2015, Tallbear added this: 

“It just felt like we needed to recognize the pervasiveness of the problem.”

On its face, it's amazing to think that there could be so many fakes in academia—or at least, that there could be so many fakes of this particular kind.

That said, had Viren possibly buried the lede? As she continued the passage  we've posted above, she finally cited the highest-profile case of this type:

VIREN (continuing directly from above): The most prominent example of this is Senator Elizabeth Warren, who was listed as Native American by both Harvard and the University of Pennsylvania Law School when she was on the faculty at those institutions and has since apologized for claiming that identity.

Viren was very deep in a very long report before she mentioned Warren, whose puzzling case has never been resolved in a sensible way.

Why did Warren allow herself to be listed as Native American by both Harvard and Penn during her academic career? We've never seen a serious attempt to resolve that question.

When this question hit the mainstream discourse, mocking nicknames quickly held sway among conservatives and Republicans. 

Among Democrats and liberals, and in the mainstream press, a jumble of mumblemouthed discussions, sometimes mixed with some very soft soap, have also stood in the way of a real attempt to settle that question.

Conceivably, this might have resulted in disaster had Warren received the Democratic nomination for president last year. Similarly, John Edwards' hidden affair and hidden paternity would almost surely have doomed his chances had he won the nomination back in 2008.

What explains the various claims about Warren's ancestry / identity? We have no way of knowing, though one possible explanation was always blindingly clear. But Viren's lengthy essay suggests that the inaccurate claims about Warren's ancestry / identity were just one drop in a very large bucket of misdirection and misstatement within the academic world.

What explains the misstatements concerning Warren? At that point, it doesn't really matter any more. That said, it's amazing to read Viren's report about the (continuing) claims made by Smith, the "prominent academic" referenced above.

At this point, an ancillary questions comes to mind: 

If Smith is a "prominent academic," why haven't you ever heard of her? Why can't you describe her work?

Apparently, Smith actually is a prominent academic. That said, she's a big fish within an academic pond which isn't especially well known to the wider world. 

Very few people have heard of Smith; even fewer know why she could be described as  "prominent." But the world within which Smith has prominence has large effects on the wider world, including on the failing political fortunes of our own failing town.

These professors today! Over the past fifty years, they've played a very large role in establishing the political values and viewpoints which animate Our Town. We especially refer to Our Town's values, beliefs and understanding concerning matters of gender and race.

At present, these topics dominate the politics of Our Town, not always in ways which make sense. Many of our understandings and outlooks trace back to our professors.

Viren is a professor too, at Arizona State. In this passage, she explains why she's interested in the question of Professor Smith's apparently false claims:

VIREN: When I began researching this article, I wanted to understand why stories like these seem to dominate one industry—my industry. As a white academic, I watched, aghast, as other white academics were outed for pretending to be scholars of color, both in real life and online. It seemed absurd to me at the time but also horrifying—in part because the outings coincided with a moment of national reckoning on questions of race and representation, and a number of universities, including mine, had recently committed to hiring more scholars of color. I kept wondering, as the former academic Ruby Zelzer posted on Twitter in September, “Academia, do we have a problem?"

“Academia, do we have a problem?" This question seems to lie at the heart of Viren's report. A bit later, she added this:

VIREN: All of this was a little bewildering to watch from the sidelines. Academia is an industry, like journalism, that defines itself in large part by its ethical standards; we’re supposed to educate people and produce knowledge. So what does it mean that we’re also a haven for fakes? 

Is academia a haven for fakes? In one narrow but amazingly widespread way, that's what Viren seemed to be saying.

Certainly, though, for better and/or for worse, academia is the source of much of Our Town's current political thinking, especially in the general areas of ethnic and gender studies. It seems to us that it's worth examining the quality of the work which has been coming from that reserve, along with the integrity of some of the many players.

Starting with Viren's lengthy essay, we'll try to do so this week. Also, this:

In effect, the later Wittgenstein said a lot of our highest academic work was essentially fake, or was at least hopelessly flawed.

Could that be true of the work produced, at age 24, by Professor Godel, "the greatest logician since Aristotle?" Currently, we're exploring such unthinkable possibilities in a series of long, lazy afternoons.

As our society slides toward the sea, we're allowing ourselves to have nice things in those afternoons. Our question, and we regard it as a serious question:

Academia plays a a major role in the politics of Our Town. Has academia possibly had a problem for a very long time—and if so, should we possibly start to notice?

Tomorrow: Very clearly stated


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  2. "That prominent academic would be Andrea Smith, who currently seems to be a professor in the Ethnic Studies department at Cal Riverside."

    Here is why Smith is a tenured faculty member at UC Riverside:

    From Inside Higher Ed -- "That prominent academic would be Andrea Smith, who currently seems to be a professor in the Ethnic Studies department at Cal Riverside.

    "While Smith's ethnicity (now disputed) was cited in debates about her employment at Michigan, she currently works in California, where the state Constitution bars public colleges and universities from considering race and ethnicity in hiring. A spokesperson for the university, asked about the controversy, said via email: "Professor Smith is a teacher and researcher of high merit who, on that basis, earned a tenured faculty position at UC Riverside. The University of California is precluded by law from considering an individual’s ethnicity in any hiring or advancement decision."

    There is a problem with identifying Indian heritage that does not exist with African American identity. Indian tribes control the decision of who is or is not a member of their recognized tribe. The federal government grants recognition of tribal status to Indians. The reason for controlling this membership is that money, rights and benefits adhere to being an official member of a specific tribe.

    However, before this bureaucratic structure existed, people have been producing offspring across racial and tribal designations so that the ability to prove one is a member of a tribe is difficult to assess. There are not strict boundaries when it comes to culture either, especially in areas where Indians and non-Indians live in close proximity.

    Smith is not a member of a recognized Cherokee tribe. She may or may not have much Indian heritage, which makes her like many people who have intermixed with Cherokees across generations. She clearly has an interest in and affinity for feminist issues and Indian concerns and has made herself an expert in those issues to the point where her scholarship is not in dispute and her work in her field is recognized to be of high quality, even by those who question her "honesty." The same is true of Elizabeth Warren, who also did not use Indian affiliation in job hunting or in any official capacity but merely checked a box on a form after being hired at Harvard (which propagated outside her control).

    There is a larger question of why Somerby wants to make this such a big issue himself. Neither Warren nor Smith is deficient in their work, ideas, efforts to change society, or sincerity of caring. They have both made important contributions. If it were more clearcut how to determine the existence of Indian ancestry, then fraud could be claimed, but talking about a distant Cherokee relative is not a crime and not even a moral failing. When being Cherokee is not a prerequisite for any job these women have held, it is hard to see why a vendetta against them is justified. That leaves us with Somerby and his motives for smearing highly qualified women. No one here can really suppose that Somerby cares one bit about the purity of tribal classifications or about whether it is cultural appropriation to claim a Cherokee great-grandparent. So why does Somerby attack women in the ways he does? That is perhaps between Somerby and his therapist, but it isn't for the reasons he puts forward, because those are bogus. This isn't a problem of academia or honesty. It is a problem of men who will use any excuse to try to take down a successful woman.

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  3. "Say what? "Of the 1,500 university educators listed as Native American" as of 1992, roughly a thousand may have been making false claims concerning their ancestry / identity?"

    That's why, dear Bob, civilized people keep their ancestry to themselves, and civilized countries (e.g. France) forbid their governments from considering -- in any way, even statistically -- people's ancestry.

    Hopefully, the US of A will evolve too eventually. But not for as long as your liberal cult dominates the establishment.

    "Why did Warren allow herself to be listed as Native American by both Harvard and Penn during her academic career?"

    Eh, what? Why did she allow herself? What does it even mean, dear Bob?

    Why do clever unscrupulous opportunists allow themselves to behave like clever unscrupulous opportunists? Because that's what they are, dear Bob.

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  4. "VIREN: All of this was a little bewildering to watch from the sidelines. Academia is an industry, like journalism, that defines itself in large part by its ethical standards; we’re supposed to educate people and produce knowledge. So what does it mean that we’re also a haven for fakes?"

    Research does not depend on the status of the researcher but on the quality of the evidence and argument provided. If Smith or Warren were to overdraw their accounts at the bank, conduct extra-marital affairs by the dozens, mistreat their pets or similar engage in socially unacceptable behavior, it would not invalidate their research one bit, because research is about the work, not the person who does that work. This is even more true in the sciences, where many of the men who have made important contributions have been major assholes, or even been paranoid at their deaths (like Godel was).

    At most, this is an ad hominem attack. Further, Somerby ignores that practice within academia of granting tenure to researchers so that they can pursue controversial topics without being personally stigmatized and removed from their jobs based on attacks by those who oppose them (for whatever reason). Only failure to perform one's job is grounds for removal once tenure has been granted. Both Smith and Warren have earned tenure at important universities, based on their work, their research and other scholarly activities, and not based on their Cherokee grandparents or great-grandparents.

    Smith was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize for her work against violence, not her status as an Indian. Her books stand on their own merits, not her membership in any group. Warren has earned every bit of the acclaim she receives for her political activities and work in the field of economics, not ethnic studies. Both are a credit to academia, not a liability, because academia doesn't care about ethnicity but does care a lot about hiring people who do high quality research.

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  5. Is someone who has one black parent and one Asian parent really black? Tiger had to deal with that question from an idiot press. Is someone with one biracial parent and one white parent still biracial? At what point does someone become clearly white? The Nazi regime struggled with that problem and developed a variety of techniques for classifying people by eye and skin color, hair texture and other supposed racial markers. There were important government privileges and restrictions at stake for Nazi Germany.

    In the US, we have made privileges and restrictions for Indians contingent on proving ancestry and connection to specific registered Indian tribes. All of the people who fall outside the narrowly defined and rigid membership requirements occupy a grey area where they may have some Indian connection but cannot establish it legally due to the bureaucratic concerns of both the tribes and the US government. That large grey area is where these supposed frauds live, but on what basis can Somerby or anyone else call them deliberate opportunists? They are not eligible for benefits without tribal membership, and those checkboxes don't entitle them to anything except cultural participation.

    Tiger chose to identify as black while participating in a largely white sport, partly to encourage other black golfers to follow his path. There are similar benefits to self-identification by prominent people in other fields. Tiger can be attacked for neglecting his Asian heritage, or for pretending to be black without clearly black cultural markers, or just for being ambiguous about his heritage. Does that make his attackers justified? Somerby seems to be willing to pile-on when targets he dislikes are attacked for specious reasons, without thinking closely about what those attacks are about. He is way too quick to assume the worst of these women, and it seems likely that it is because they are successful female academics, combining his fetish for disparaging academics with his dislike of successful women. These particular women have many more supporters than detractors, because they are highly competent. That doesn't seem to matter much to Somerby, who would like to use the complexities of racial stereotyping and bigotry to batter his political targets.

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  6. "What explains the various claims about Warren's ancestry / identity?"
    Warren herself gives the most convincing answer - that it was a family story she grew up with that she had no reason to doubt. Has this ever been convincingly challenged?

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    1. Oh dear, you're easy to convince.

      Whatever story she grew up with, unless her mental development stopped at the age of 12, she, along with everyone else, certainly knew that she isn't Cherokee.

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    2. Agreed.
      Everyone with mental development four times that of a Republican politician, should know better.

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    3. "with mental development four times that of a Republican politician"

      9:34 is obviously a Conservative, with that kind of optimistic view of Republican politicians.
      I have a nephew , who I witnessed during his "terrible twos". There's no difference in his attitude than that of your standard-issue Republican pol.

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    4. So, Mao Cheng Hi, what should have occurred to convince Warren that her family story was not true?

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    5. Oh puh-leeze, dear Steve.

      You're embarrassing yourself and your cult's bs talking points don't fool anyone. If the line from children's stories to checking the box on an application was as straight as you pretend it is, she wouldn't have to apologize later.

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  7. All this is very important in the near future when we have to pass out reparations checks and/or land to Blacks and Native Americans. Will Warren get land reparations as a Native American? Will Tiger Woods get a full reparations check or only 25% since he is only 25% Black? Woods is a very interesting case. Will Wood's white half pay the reparations to his Black 25% at half the amount of a fully white person. All these confusing details will need to be worked-out soon.

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    1. Give them all full reperation shares, just to see white people cry.

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    2. The US already makes reparations to Indians, which is why they must be affiliated with a tribe to benefit.

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    3. Woods is 50% black, not 25%, since his father was black. His father's obstacles pursuing his own golf career are part of why Tiger identifies as black.

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    5. Hey, who's counting? Start the printing press. Or, rather, start ordering more printing presses. From Alibaba, they have everything.

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    6. Oops, strike my previous post. According to his parents, Woods is 50% Asian, 25% Black, 12.5% Native American, and 12.5% white.

      And thanks, Corby, for the correction. Soon, all of our ethic percentages must be made public knowledge if we are to make things better.

      Obama is an interesting case. Half white, with very evil blood that goes back to Mayflower, and half East-African who was not a descendent of US slaves.

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    7. Sorry, Tiger Woods' father is not 100% black as I stated, but he definitely identified as black and was concerned about racial prejudice in golfing. I found the same quote you did on ESPN:

      "For the record, he is one-quarter Thai, one-quarter Chinese, one-quarter Caucasian, one-eighth African-American and one-eighth Native American. But his mother, Tida, says Tiger "is more Asian." By way of explanation, she added, "A mother raises her son, and he had an Asian mother."

      I think this does illustrate the difficulties involved in trying to put people into clear-cut categories. If Tiger claimed to be Native American or Indian would he be more or less wrong than those women Somerby is attacking today? And would it make any difference to his talent and success as a golfer?

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    8. "If Tiger claimed to be Native American or Indian..."

      What if he claimed and nobody cared?

      The only way to prevent scumbags (like dear Pocahontas and dear Khan-Cullors) from profiting from their real or fake ancestry, dear Corby, is to pay no attention whatsoever to anyone's ancestry.

      This isn't the rocket science, dear Corby.

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    9. You mean like Somerby is doing? NOT

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  8. “It was accompanied by a shorter piece about similar lies by Native-identified faculty”

    Somerby used to object when reporters used the term “lie.” Of course, that was only when they accused Trump of lying, so...

    It is noteworthy to me that Viren uses the term “lie” and then works in a reference to Elizabeth Warren. She clearly assumes the reader will infer that Warren was lying. I’d call that dirty pool, but Somerby isn’t going to mention this “thumb on scales.”

    Also, not to be picky, but the central “statistic” that Somerby bases his remark on (“this type of false or fraudulent claim seems to be amazingly widespread”) is stated as coming from a 1992 Detroit News article which is not linked, and I couldn’t locate.

    Is the number stated by Bill Cross (whoever that is) (one third of 1500 are actually Indians) actually correct? He says “we’re looking realistically at one-third of those being Indians”. Were there 1500 educators in 1992 listed as Native American? Were one-third of them factually shown to have been non-native American, or is Cross guesstimating?

    It’s kind of important to be factually correct here. Wouldn’t a media critic normally call out the lack of factual documentation of such a significant claim?

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  9. Our race-obsessed past and present will be dwarfed by our approaching super race-obsessed future. To work out the coming era of reparations, all Americans will be given mandatory DNA-ancestry tests and will have to wear ancestry descriptive pie-chart badges in public at all times. It's the only way to know for sure who is what race, and who has the heroic blood of the victims, and who has the guilty blood of the evil-doers. Detailed records of everyone's family history will have to be collected to determine each person's reparation payment or reparations tax burden.

    Since A. I. and robotics are going to eliminate everyone's current jobs anyway, this new race-obsession industry will become America's biggest job creator. Assuming humanity survives Climate-Heating, I think the next historical era will be known as the Payback-for-History Era. The question is, will Americans calmly accept this new era or will they tear themselves to pieces and possibly create a second civil war?

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    1. Hopefully COVID The Merciful will deliver its coup de grace. Let us pray, brothers and sisters.

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    2. Glaucoma X,
      Are we supposed to notice Reperations has you in a tizzy, but the voter suppression of black votes doesn't?

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    3. I've followed voter suppression of black voters, and other Democratic-leaning groups by Republicans since the 2000 election, which was lost due to it. It has had me in a tizzy ever since because I love democracy. I've been following the research of Greg Palast who has been tracking it for decades and who is prominently featured in the European media but has been shut out in the pseudo-liberal corporate media that too many Dems ignorantly worship. Dem leaders mostly ignored it until Hillary and Stacy Abrams lost. Wealthy Dem donors and leaders secretly don't want lots of poor people to vote and force them to address the mass inequality that made them rich in the first place.

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    4. The Palast guy was more than a bit unhinged, as we remember. DemAnon-style. We liked him, entertaining.

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    5. Nice.
      I usually feel depending on wealthy people to help the poor is a fool's game, but they'll be there for us when, not if, the GOP overthrows democratic elections if enough of us use the words, "Sorry, I won't be coming into work today" for about a week.

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    6. Hey Gloucon, forget Palast. Read Taibbi's latest, about Kucinich, one of my favorite politicians.
      https://taibbi.substack.com/p/just-how-rigged-is-the-rigged-game

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  10. 'We especially refer to Our Town's values, beliefs and understanding concerning matters of gender and race.'

    You mean your town of hardcore malignant Trumptards, defenders of Roy Moore, Ron Johnson, Devin Nunes and Matt Gaetz ? Certainly your town's values of defending racists, p***y grabbers and pedophiles leave a lot to be desired. But a Trumptard like Somerby continues to defend them.

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  11. 'Conceivably, this might have resulted in disaster had Warren received the Democratic nomination for president last year. '

    That is what Somerby wanted, since Somerby is a Trumptard who wanted to be a useful idiot for Trump. He referred to all Dem primary candidates as awful during the primaries. Fortunately for the US, Somerby is such a pathetic loser, that he ended up being a useless idiot for Trump.

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  12. Somerby says: "In effect, the later Wittgenstein said a lot of our highest academic work was essentially fake, or was at least hopelessly flawed."

    According to philosophy encyclopedias on the internet,

    "Wittgenstein maintained that language could only show; it could not say anything that went beyond description: "Most propositions and questions, that have been written about philosophical matters, are not false, but senseless. . ."

    I wouldn't trust Somerby as an expert on what Wittgenstein said, much less thought. Somerby says Wittgenstein thought academic work was fake, but Wittgenstein said explicitly that it was not false, just senseless.

    Personally, I think Somerby is senseless and when he criticizes other people's work, he is calling it muddled and opaque because he fancies himself as Wittgenstein, who gave Somerby permission to ignore all accumulated wisdom on grounds that language acquires meaning by usage (or some such twaddle). Meanwhile, Somerby has clearly not read Quine or Putnam or any of the philosophers who have since dealt with implications of language use for philosophy and human communication.

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  13. As a former student of history at the university level, I might even benefit from the coming Payback-for-History Era, since lots of history will have to be explained to the public. Today, I would be active in starting the long-overdue field of Payback Studies. It could have interesting sub-fields, like Humiliation of the Ancestors of Evildoers Studies. I would propose that the most prominent beneficiaries of white privilege, like say, Trump and Clinton family members, should be forced to scrub the toilets of impoverished Black people for several hours a week, at least until reparations are paid, and maybe forever.

    Also, if this Payback-for-History Era goes global, which could happen, even some Other-than-white races may have to prepare to do some payback for the evils they have done. During the Siege of Baghdad in 1258, scholars estimate the Mongols killed between 800K and 2 million Arabs. They also wiped out cities throughout Asia. We can’t let the Mongols get away with that, can we?

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    1. Start by studying the Irish and their payback of the British for centuries of subjugation and their treatment during the potato famine. Look at what happened to the British during The Troubles, when Irish republicans were so frustrated that they took to terrorism.

      Some cultures hold grudges and others do not. The ones who do are violent and fail to resolve grievances over decades of strife. There are lots of examples of this around the world. We have a white population steeped in Irish grudge-holding. You think you are being satirical perhaps, mocking the desire for change expressed by our nation's minorities, but African Americans are characterized by the mildness of their response to wrongs, whereas our white population is still carrying a chip on their shoulder after losing the Civil War. We know who is perpetuating our racial problems (hint: it isn't black people or Indians or Asians).

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    2. Grudge culture. That seems to be what powerful plutocrat-owned mass media interests wish to promote, along with others who hope to profit. If you desired to turn a country into the former Yugoslavia you couldn't come up with a better plan.

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    3. The Right-wing media exists to cater to their "market". Those who follow that media are misinformed and only trust Right-wing media.

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  14. Here is what Memorial Day is about:

    https://digbysblog.net/2021/05/no-they-werent-all-patriots/

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  15. Seen on Facebook: If black children are old enough to experience racism, then white children are old enough to learn about it.

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