TRIBES AND TRUE: What Koppel was told!

WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 5, 202

The Mount Airy tourists' tales: The segment aired on CBS last September. It was thirteen minutes long.

In the view of the Washington Post's Emily Yahr, it was "one of the most striking TV segments of the year." We won't disagree with that view.

The segment was broadcast on CBS Sunday Morning, a program which rarely "makes news." It was a 13-minute report about a trip Ted Koppel took to Mount Airy, North Carolina—a town of some 10,000 souls in the western part of the state.

Mount Airy was the hometown of the late Andy Griffith, star of the beloved 1960s sitcom, The Andy Griffith Show. As such, Mount Airy promotes itself to the tourist trade as the original Mayberry RFD—and the tourists come in droves.

For our money, Koppel displayed a slightly condescending air as he built a framework around his journey, which took place last June. He almost seemed to suggest that the rubes with whom he spoke didn't understand that the Mayberry of the beloved TV show had been a fictional confection of Hollywood, not an actual place.

That said, the most interesting part of the CBS broadcast involved a perfectly frank exchange between the famous TV journalist and a tourist trolley full of out-of-towners. 

Three cheers for Koppel, we're willing to say. In the way the summit was broadcast, his first question went like this:

KOPPEL: I know you came here to have a good time and not to talk politics. But let me just ask you, as a matter of curiosity: How many of you think we had a fair election?

Thus began an exchange on which seven tourists and two tourism workers shared their views about certain major events of the day.

Mount Airy—population, roughly 10,000—is the largest town in Surry County. The county favored Candidate Trump over Candidate Biden by more than three to one—and the tourists with whom Koppel spoke seemed to be Trump voters.

That said, a fully courteous discussion ensued as Koppel probed their political views. For ourselves, we'd like to see many more such discussions on "cable news" shows, though we know that will never happen.

"Cable news" is currently built to avoid such discussions. In this instance, the discussion, at least as broadcast, started off like this:

KOPPEL: I know you came here to have a good time and not to talk politics. But let me just ask you, as a matter of curiosity: How many of you think we had a fair election?

FIRST MAN: No way!

KOPPEL: I saw two hands go up. So is it fair to say the rest of you think that it was not a fair election?

SECOND MAN (Barney Fife impersonator): No, no it wasn't.

FIRST MAN: I don't think it was at all.

KOPPEL: Was it a fair election?

THIRD MAN: By no means.

Judging from the full videotape, Koppel was speaking to roughly 15-20 tourists. It seemed that very few of the tourists, if any, thought the 2020 election had been "fair."

Koppel was respectful throughout. So were the Mount Airy tourists.

To Koppel's credit, he plowed ahead with his questions. Repeating the final exchange from above, this is what happened next:

KOPPEL (continuing directly): Was it a fair election?

THIRD MAN: By no means.

KOPPEL: Because?

THIRD MAN: I think there was a lot of voter fraud. It's never been proven. There's been people that's voted that's been dead fifteen years. I think it's more the mail-in ballot stuff. You don't know how much of those that were duplicated, triplicated. The whole bit.

FOURTH MAN: Look how many dead people voted for Biden.

At this point, we'll offer a judgment. Watching the videotape, we see no sign that these people, our neighbors and fellow citizens, didn't fully believe the various things they were saying to Koppel.

Nor were they being aggressive or rude. To all appearances, they were simply stating what they took to be established facts.

The tourists seemed to believe that they were stating facts. Koppel continued his quest:

KOPPEL (continuing directly): One question, it's a serious question and I know you all will take it seriously: Tell me what you think happened on January 6 at Congress.

FIRST MAN: They showed truckloads of people that they were bringing in for this. It was all staged. And that's how that started. They even showed pictures of it on the news, about these vehicles coming in with all these BLM people.

KOPPEL: Yes, sir. You were starting to say?

FIFTH MAN: A disgrace on our country.

KOPPEL: Whose fault was it?

FIFTH MAN: (Shrugs, as if to say he doesn't know)

At this point, in a voice-over, Koppel made the following statement: "One rider did blame Donald Trump, but he was in a distinct minority." 

Which of the riders blamed Trump for the riot? Koppel may have been referring to this "fifth man," but poor editing left that point unclear. 

At any rate, it did seem clear, as the discussion continued, that the other Mount Airy riders were not inclined to blame Trump. At this point, the first two women spoke up. The second woman spoke to a very basic question—the questions of "tribes and true:"

KOPPEL (voice-over): One rider did blame Donald Trump, but he was in a distinct minority.

FIRST WOMAN: I think it was staged. We've been to a lot of the Trump rallies, and I don't understand why they're focusing so much on that one issue when there's so many cities that are being burned down every day by protesters. It's supposed to be peaceful, but it's all focused on holding these two people—

FIRST MAN: Murder and kill everybody who was there! Hang them and throw them in jail!

SECOND WOMAN: We don't even watch news on TV anymore. We don't feel like we're being told the truth. And we find our truth in other ways. And I won't say what those other ways are, but I feel like we're not being told the truth, because we're trying to be swayed in a direction that we know is not the right direction.

The first woman said the Capitol riot was staged. The second woman said that her tribe no longer watches (mainstream) news, because they don't believe that such news orgs are telling them the truth.

To some extent, that woman's suspicion is true! But at that point, Koppel asked the question we cited in yesterday's report. As broadcast, this is the way the interview session with the tourists ended:

KOPPEL: I won't be offended. I've been a journalist all my life. When President Trump talked about the press being "the enemy of the people"—

SECOND WOMAN: They are! And I love President Trump. And I love that man. I do.

THIRD WOMAN: I just hope when this airs, it won't show Southerners as a bunch of dumb idiots like so many parts of the country do, you know? We have a lot of love in our hearts. We love our country. We love our fellow man. And if the rest of the country felt like that, it would be a better place.

SIXTH MAN (apparent tour organizer): Mr. Koppel, can I say something? 

KOPPEL: Sure.

SIXTH MAN: This conversation about politics and division is what people come here to get away from [murmurs of agreement]. We don't care what color you are. We don't even care what your politics are. We just want to be good neighbors and treat everybody alike. And that's why they're coming here.

SECOND MAN (Barney Fife impersonator): That's what America should be. That's what America should be.

The second woman does believe that (mainstream) journalists are "the enemy of the people." 

The third woman was concerned about an intriguing point. She was troubled by the stereotyping of dumb (white) Southerners, a type of stereotyping which does in fact exist within our blue tribe's world.

As broadcast, this streetcar summit lasted three minutes and thirty seconds. You can watch the whole thing here, at the end of the 13-minute CBS broadcast.

Tomorrow, we'll return to the various claims made in the course of this summit tomorrow. For today, we'll emphasize this:

We see no sign that anyone didn't believe the things they were saying to Koppel. His interview subjects were perfectly polite throughout—and they seemed to believe that they were merely stating established facts about the 2020 election and the Capitol riot.

In our view, Koppel's streetcar summit was the most interesting exchanges we've seen on TV in recent years. We'd like to see many more such exchanges, at much greater length, but we know that will never happen.

Our nation has split into warring tribes. Each tribe have its own set of truths.

"What is truth?" Pilate famously asked. Many times, in many ways, tribal truths may be inaccurate!

Tomorrow: Sources of bogus belief


50 comments:


  1. "How many of you think we had a fair election?"

    Oh dear. Without even getting into the allegations of ballot-harvesting and dead people voting, there's no humyn being on this here Earth, dear Bob, who would call the 2020 election fair.

    It would be too hard for an ordinary, normal humyn being to ignore the multi-year coordinated liberal-gobbelsian campaign run by the US establishment: the media, and a bunch of three-letter agencies.

    Or, call it 'the deep state', if you prefer, dear Bob.

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    1. Here Mao, let us rub your fat little doggie tummy. Now, "no collusion, sit up! Deep State, roll over! Here's your Liv-a Snap, good doggie!!

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    2. Mao,
      Thanks for the Establishment’s take.
      Always good to know what the thugs you work for are up to.

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    3. Mao - how many dead people voted? who arranged it? how many dead people voted for Biden, how many for Trump? What is your evidence of vote harvesting? who did it? can you name anyone? any evidence that would stand up in court? the nice people on the bus didn't cite any evidence. If they could, what evidence is there? Who made the allegations? What was their evidence? were they credible? any documentary evidence? I've asked before, without an answer.

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    4. Dear AC/MA, did you read what we wrote @10:04 AM?

      Reading your 12:34 PM, sadly, we're getting the impression that you're just another bot scanning for keywords and replying with a computer-generated word-salad.

      ...oh, and as for "who arranged it" (whatever "it" might be), if somehow it's not obvious to you, you could easily find the answer right there, @10:04 AM. That comment was neither long nor complicated...

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    5. ...as for the allegations of 2020 voter fraud, we yandexed it for you, dear AC/MA. We had to yandex, because google censors and suppresses information opposed by the liberal establishment.

      Here's the top yandex hit:
      https://electionfraud20.org/

      We hope this helps.

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    6. "It would be too hard for an ordinary, normal humyn being to ignore the multi-year coordinated liberal-gobbelsian campaign run by the US establishment: the media, and a bunch of three-letter agencies."

      Earth to Mao -- campaigning is legal.

      Since Trump occupied the white house and ran the government, you can't argue that he lost because the govt was against him. Trump even slowed down mail delivery to try to prevent mail-in ballots from arriving and being counted.

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    7. @1:43

      "Yandex (Яндекс in Russian) is a search engine belonging to the Russian multinational of the same name specializing in services and products relating to the internet. Its URL is Yandex.ru and its name derives from the English 'Yet another indexer'. ... Yandex is the sixth most important search engine in the world."

      Mao thinks that Russia suppresses less information than a private corporation in the US! Maybe Google is cooperating with the Russian government to suppress what Mao can find, but it isn't doing the same in the US.

      I certainly wouldn't trust a search engine controlled by Putin over one in the US, but Republicans are odd people.

      But notice how Mao is bringing Russian resources to bear when arguing the Republican side of things, just like in the good old days when Trump was president.

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    8. This seems like more evidence of Republican/Russian collusion to me.

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    9. Look at the way Russia Today helped Trump during his campaign, compared to the way Al Gore was treated by the US mainstream media, if you doubt there was collusion.

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    10. You notice how Mao tries to imitate Rush Limbaugh with his use of the word "humyn". This was a affectation used by Rush often. His idea of being clever. Mao also will use "Algore" when referring to Al Gore, this was another one of Rush's trademark attempts at wit.

      Mao, Rush, the fat racist slob is dead. find another hero.

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    11. Well, Mao has to fill his fat racist shoes, or at least that's the fantasy.

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    12. why does anyone even engage with Mao?

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  2. These days, Bob is never more pathetic than when he thinks he is on to something.
    Those of us who didn't think you could meaningfully appraise the Press by totally ignoring what is going on on the Right (much more powerful and moneyed than the left) media are not surprised unsophisticated people actually BELIEVE what they have been spooned fed since he days of Limbaugh. When they dutifully repeated that Al Gore said he invented the internet we did not make the issue that they were INSINCERE. That these once comparatively small evils have US Democracy on the ropes was easy to understand, because we didn't stop looking at the situation as Bob did.
    Can we attach virtue to the people who did not, in a Dylan phrase that should plague Bob now, look away and pretend that they just didn't see? If Bob thinks virtue can be attached to those who BELIEVE the obvious truth, I doubt you will ever read it in his blog.
    I don't know when we are going to get Bob's promised apologia for Trump, but today he makes a solid entry for 2022's So What Award. Us old timers might also not that Koppel's most significant contribution to our culture is leading the destruction of Jimmy Carter for his right wing masters at ABC.

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    1. There was a time, long ago, when TDH would have unmercifully mocked Ted Koppel for his mockable pilgrimage to Mayberry.

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    2. Indeed, Koppel's piece is one of a large wave of pieces that the Press has run from day one, a Press which never needs to explain that those who hold liberal views are actually decent Americans.

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  3. Meanwhile, this is how those good people are behaving, the ones who claim they just want to be good neighbors to people of color:

    "Seven historically Black colleges and universities (HBCUs) reported bomb threats on Tuesday night just hours apart from each other, with schools responding to the threats by entering lockdown, ordering evacuations and having law enforcement sweep their campuses until there was an all-clear."

    Racism is real and it needs to be addressed, as does the violence of those on the right who are trying to provoke a race war. We don't yet know who made those bomb threats, but we know who was targeted. HBCU stands for historically black colleges and universities. Making a threat, even if no bomb was planted, is still an act of terrorism because of the fear experienced by those targeted.

    Instead of worrying about addressing this aspect of right wing extremism, Somerby is lecturing liberals about being nice to the kind folks in Mt Airy, the ones who say:

    "I just hope when this airs, it won't show Southerners as a bunch of dumb idiots like so many parts of the country do, you know? We have a lot of love in our hearts. We love our country. We love our fellow man. And if the rest of the country felt like that, it would be a better place."

    Which is the real South, the real right wing? Does it matter? It isn't up to liberals to deal with the racism of the South. It is up to the people who live there, the ones who present a false face to the press while their neighbors are phoning in those threats and harrassing black folks for trying to live normal lives.

    As long as Somerby wants to pretend there is no race problem, just as these tourists in Mt Airy are trying to do, their black neighbors are vulnerable to the unrestrained threats and violence of the less temperate wing of the right. It isn't liberals doing this stuff, we don't have the means to stop it, and it is wrong for the Republicans to refuse to deal with their own extremism by closing their eyes to it.

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    1. If history is any guide, the bomb threats probably came from black activists.

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    2. "We don't care what color you are. We don't even care what your politics are. We just want to be good neighbors and treat everybody alike."

      We will be expecting those bomb threats to the Ivy League campuses ASAP.

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    3. "If history is any guide, the bomb threats probably came from black activists."

      And here we see the tried and true conservative practice of blaming the victim and making the bully into the oppressed party. It wasn't the black campuses that suffered, it is those poor wrongly accused conservatives who were just innocent bystanders while black "activists" threatened their own colleges.

      If that makes sense to you, you just may be a redneck says Jeff Foxworthy.

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    4. You don't even have to have any evidence to turn around such facts and aim them back at the victims. Just say "false flag" or "antifa" and it's all good. I'll bet JFK Jr. made those calls! This words since he was a Democrat doing things the right loves to see done. And he is dead so those commies in Congress cannot subpoena him. The best of all worlds.

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    5. Whoa, Jussie Smollett is completely out of control now. Tsk.

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    6. Today Mao finally admits that Jussie Smollett writes his material!

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  4. "In our view, Koppel's streetcar summit was the most interesting exchanges we've seen on TV in recent years."

    And yet the insurrection was broadcast. Was Koppel's parade of self-serving innocence as "interesting" as the insurrection? For that matter, the impeachments were broadcast too. Did Somerby not find them "interesting"?

    Somerby needs to ask the real Republicans to stand up, since it isn't clear whether these entirely sincere people are the real Republican party or the MAGA-hat wearing bullies beating up protesters in Trump rally parking lots, or the militia-guided frenzied rioters who trashed the Capitol building and threatened Congress, or the haters who try to turn BLM protests into riots and blame it on antifa, or whoever phoned in bomb threats to black college kids trying to get an education yesterday. And who exactly makes those calls to election poll workers and public health staff and teachers, making threats to murder their families in front of their own eyes? Nice folks like these people interviewed by Ted Koppel.

    Has it occurred to Somerby that these well-behaved people are not news because, if sincere, they are not the problem. Their votes, however, enable their brethren, the ones who are using violence to achieve conservative ends. And those folks just off the bus, who Koppel put on camera, they are responsible for those they support with their donations and votes. Every single last violent miscreant of them in their cute red hats and full body armor. These are Republicans too.

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  5. "KOPPEL (continuing directly): Was it a fair election?

    THIRD MAN: By no means.

    KOPPEL: Because?

    THIRD MAN: I think there was a lot of voter fraud. It's never been proven. There's been people that's voted that's been dead fifteen years. I think it's more the mail-in ballot stuff. You don't know how much of those that were duplicated, triplicated. The whole bit.

    FOURTH MAN: Look how many dead people voted for Biden."

    Somerby, of course, doesn't mention that all of the dead people suspected of voting were later found alive and well. Nor does he mention that, with almost no exceptions, the documented cases of voter fraud have all been committed by Republicans. Nor does he mention that none of the audits in any state have found the voter fraud claimed by Trump and his supporters.

    If those facts were repeated often enough by people like Somerby and Koppel, those nice Republicans might hear the truth about their mistaken beliefs. Instead Koppel "listens respectfully" to the lies these people have absorbed from watching Fox News and reading their Q-Anon internet pages.

    Tomorrow, Somerby will argue that the 1/6 insurrectionists were just good, sincere Republicans like these tourists, doing their duty to their country based on their best understanding of what happened during the election. No matter how many police they shot with bear spray or speared with flagpoles.

    Implicitly, Somerby wants us to believe that Andy Griffith would have approved since the ground didn't open up under their feet when they repeated their conservative lies (no matter how much true belief in them they professed). No one has every suggested that the MAGA-hatted warriors were not sincere in their belief of Trump's lies. We have been suggesting that their beliefs are wrong, mistaken, lies (a word Somerby won't use) intended to manipulate them into doing things no flag-loving American should ever do. And they followed blindly, just as they continue to do in answer to Ted Koppel's ever-so-respectful follow-up questions.

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    1. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/gov-elect-youngkin-s-underage-son-tried-vote-twice-virginia-n1283376

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    2. Very few Democrats believe that 2016 was a fair election either. Yet we tolerated 4 years of Trump, because we don't try to burn down the country when we don't get our way. And Al Gore meekly accepted defeat of an election he won back in 2000. Note that Somerby has never claimed that Gore actually won that election, only that the press was not his BFF. The real unfairness was the way Bush's brother Jeb counted the votes in Florida, creating a pretext for the Supreme Court to award the presidency to the Republicans. Yay Clarence Thomas! Yay Antonin Scalia! Yay William Rehnquist! Yay Sandra Day O'Connor! Yay Anthony Kennedy! No wonder the Republicans have been working so hard to pack the court with conservatives!

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  6. It is true that the Coastal elite establishment, when it isn't fetishizing someone ordering the blue plate special at a diner in Podunk, can and frequently does look down its collective nose at people in flyover country, especially southern white people. It's probably a good thing that Ted Koppel did these interviews and tried to keep his fingers off the scales while he did do though I have no particular affection for Ted Koppel who fits perfectly into Jeet Heer's description of the US press:
    "The true bias of USA press is neither left nor right but elite centrist. Things loved by elite centrists (forever wars, deficit reduction, anti-inflation policies, "bipartisan compromise") are treated as if they are naturally right and good, rather than debatable policy choices."
    But really, isn't it fair to ask how all these people could have such a completely wrongheaded understanding of the 2020 election ? It's simply not OK that they believe such nonsense and trying to make apologies for their ignorance and stupidity just doesn't cut it. It's hard not to conclude that they are either very stupid and willfully ignorant or so completely bigoted and prejudiced that they will believe anything that might preserve their dreams of the fictional Mayberry ... or both. In any case, they deserve no respect if at this late date, after all the evidence of his dishonesty, vindictiveness, stupidity and just plain ugliness as a human being they can still love Donald Trump.
    It should be noted that Andy Griffith was a liberal Democrat all his life and it's a reasonable bet he would have detested the orange monster.

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    1. I watched the 13 minute broadcast. Only a small part of it at the end involved Koppel on the bus with the tourists. I don't see anything wrong in trying to engage with people who share these views about the election. What didn't happen in the 13 minutes was any real questioning about the basis of the Trump lovers' opinion. It would be good if that could be probed. Does it ever happen where Trump, or anyone who claims the election was rigged are probed as to the basis of their belief? [For the record, I don't think there is a valid basis] The circumstance where Koppel was talking to these people on a tour bus certainly didn't lend itself to this.

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    2. What if they tell you that Alex Jones or Tucker Carlson told them? What do you say then?

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  7. "SECOND WOMAN: We don't even watch news on TV anymore. We don't feel like we're being told the truth. And we find our truth in other ways. And I won't say what those other ways are, but I feel like we're not being told the truth, because we're trying to be swayed in a direction that we know is not the right direction."

    Who tells such people that they are not being told the truth on TV News show? Can it be...Somerby? Somerby tells us daily that we cannot trust mainstream media, especially not people such as Rachel Maddow, Anderson Cooper, Don Lemon, Lawrence O'Donnell, Nicolle Wallace. And we cannot trust any of the experts interviewed on TV cable news, especially not youngish female professors or black professors or any professors, especially not ones who say things Somerby disagrees with. And we cannot trust the NY Times, with its youngish Ivy League journalism grads fresh out of school 13 years ago. They're the worst! (But Andrew Sullivan is A-OK with Somerby.)

    So, if you undermine the credibility of the media with trivial nit-picks, who is left? Fox News (who Somerby never criticizes) and worse (Rush, Alex Jones, Tucker, and Q-Anon aka the cesspool). The people who will tell these lovely Southerners exactly what they want to hear, about themselves and their world. Such as that the Sandy Hook parents are "crisis actors" who staged the shooting of their own children. If you believe that, then of course 1/6 was staged by BLM.

    As long as I have been reading TDH, Somerby has never discussed the role of a free press in a democracy, never discussed journalistic standards, never upheld the difficult job journalists do under difficult circumstances, and never directed readers to what he considers to be valid sources with accurate info. His phrase is "technically accurate" implying wrong not right info.

    So, Somerby has a lot of nerve when he blames people for believing Fox instead of other media. He is the one who herded them over to Fox. I myself believe he has drunk his own Kool-Aid, but others may disagree. He is not the one to be lauding these folks for their honest views while Koppel pretends they are normal and not the Earth's most foolish specimens.

    Is there any doubt how they got to believe so much garbage?

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    1. I think those people on that bus were all actors hired to portray Republicans, most likely by the Democratic party, because they are just too stupid to be real. So stupid even they suspect they are stupid, and no stupid person is that stupid (see Dunning-Kruger effect). This is all a put-on and you just can't trust Ted Koppel, or Somerby, who is clearly in on the act.

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  8. I was surprised to see this entry since bob in the past has been opposed to the "reporter on the street" interviewing a handful of people and trying to extrapolate from that. However, what strikes me as most concerning about these people, and about many I know, is that they believe that the election was stolen, mail in ballots were fraud, the capitol riots were really BLM in disguise, etc. I think bob is right that these people interviewed were sincere. I think the left would do well to really try and figure out how so many people believe this stuff hook, line and sinker and how we come up with strategies to combat the misinformation. Bob is right on one point, sitting in our camp calling these people stupid or ignorant isn't going to work. And it seems we are getting to a tipping point where the future of the republic depends on it. I wish I had the answer but I don't.

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    1. There seems to be a dawning realization among them that others consider them stupid. Why wouldn't that cause a glimmer of doubt in their minds that might lead to change, assuming they are sincere in wanting to be informed?

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    2. That may be true, but I think some people when confronted with the fact that they are wrong just double down on the wrong...

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    3. I wish I had the answer too, but I think this is a problem that Republicans have to solve themselves, especially since they created it. Banning books in schools doesn't seem like a step in that direction though. Also, it doesn't seem to be confined to the South -- there are plenty of Northern states where people hold similar beliefs and want to secede from their Democratic neighbors, not respect them.

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    4. One thing our side can do is push back against false story lines we fall victim to like "Trump and Russia colluded". It's important to not let these turgid falsehoods fester for years and pathetically prolong them with trite non-defenses. It allows people like in the Ted Koppel video to accurately accuse us of being purveyors of false information. Thus, making them mistrust truthful things we tell them.

      All Somerby has ever asked for is that we take a good look at ourselves in regard to gullibility in believing false story lines etc.

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    5. @2:33 -- I disagree. The solution is not to join with Republicans and believe their delusions. It is to hew to truth. Trump and Russia did collude, during the election and during Trump's presidency.

      I agree that Somerby has continually portrayed the left as misled by the media. That is to prevent anyone from having an alternative channel of information to combat the propaganda coming from the right. You included @2:33.

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    6. Well, Bob used to bitch about journalists that questioned the mental health of a given candidate. Now it's the card on Trump Bob punches, and looks away.

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    7. I was also surprised when bob started in on the mental health thing too, like you said Greg, was something he railed against for years.

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    8. 2:33,
      Everyone needs to point out the GOP is America's Fascist Party. Their feelings be damned.

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  9. All this did was show how stupid and ignorant some people CHOOSE to be.

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    1. Those "stupid and ignorant" people took over the US Capitol. We can sit here and just write them off as stupid, but clearly that doesn't seem to be a great approach, which is oftentimes Bob's ultimate point.

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    2. No, a better approach is to lock them up, because storming the Capitol is a criminal act and those people, whatever their excuse, are dangerous to the rest of us who, regardless of our politics, don't use political beliefs as an excuse to commit violence.

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    3. justice moves slowly, the mob is quicker...

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  10. I'm the world's biggest asshole.

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  11. I agree that Somerby has continually portrayed the left as misled by the media. That is to prevent anyone from having an alternative channel of information to combat the propaganda coming from the right. DevOps Training

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