BLUE DENIAL: In our view, there's none so blind...

MONDAY, NOVEMBER 25, 2024

...as Blues who will not see: As it seems to have shaken out, Candidate Harris lost a fairly close election to Candidate Donald J. Trump.

Judged by any traditional metric, it wasn't a landslide, and it wasn't even a rout. According to the Cook Report, here's where the nationwide vote currently stands with few votes left to count:  

Nationwide popular vote (to date), 2024
Candidate Trump: 77,027,112 (49.86%)
Candidate Harris: 74,557,993 (48.26%)

He didn't get to fifty percent? As it turns out, he didn't even get to 49.9!

Nationwide, the winner won by roughly 1.6 points. Meanwhile, his margin in the Blue Wall states was even more slender than that:

Winning margin in the Blue Wall states
Pennsylvania: 1.7 points
Michigan: 1.4 points
Wisconsin: 0.8 points

His winning margins weren't great. And those are the margins by which he vanquished an accidental opponent who didn't even get in the race until late July of last year!

On the other hand, the winning candidate was Donald J. Trump. Over here in Blue America, many of our fellow citizens are wondering how a candidate like Trump could possibly have won—indeed, how a person like Donald J. rump could possibly have received any votes at all.

Why would anyone have voted for Candidate Trump? This morning, on this latest of many Blue Mondays to come, the New York Times has published letters in which We Who Can't or Simply Refuse To See are trying to puzzle it out.

Why would anyone have voted for Trump? Seventy-seven million people did, but many of us in Blue America can't seem to imagine any respectable reasons which might lie behind such a vote.

In the Times, today's letters are responding to a column in which David Brooks noted some demographic outcomes within this year's exit polls which he found surprising. Here's part of what Brooks wrote:

BROOKS (11/15/24): In 2024, Kamala Harris did worse among Black voters than Joe Biden did in 2020. She did worse among female voters. She did much worse among Latino voters. She did much worse among young voters.

She did manage to outperform Biden among two groups: affluent people and white voters, especially white men.

According to Brooks, Candidate Harris did worse among black voters than Biden did, but better among white voters! Meanwhile, full disclosure:

The exit polls are subject to error! That said, the exit polls seem to show that Harris (2024) and Biden (2020) each received 41% of the white vote.

Also, they seem to show that Trump gained one (1) point among black voters in 2024, moving from 12% versus Biden in 2020 to 13% against Harris. Those exit polls are subject to error, but those changes don't seem to be vast.

(For the 2020 exit polls, just click here. For this year's exit polls, you can just click this.)

All in all, whatever! Candidate Biden won in 2020; Candidate Harris lost this year. On this latest of many Blue Mondays, we citizens of Blue America are trying to figure it out.

Let's take a look at the record! One letter in the Times comes from Bala Cynwyd, Pa. In full, the letter says this:

To the Editor:

David Brooks wisely quoted the British jurist Patrick Devlin’s warning: “Without shared ideas on politics, morals and ethics, no society can exist.” And Mr. Brooks concluded, “We need a national narrative that points us to some ideal and gives each of us a noble role in pursuing it.”

I really thought Vice President Kamala Harris provided that positive narrative, that noble role, when she told us repeatedly she wanted to unite the country, which has been seriously divided by Donald Trump, and asked us to join her to work together to help working people and the middle class; to lift all people, regardless of party, age, identity or background; to cut the red tape and create more housing, reduce costs and propel American children out of poverty.

What more could she have said to convince the public that she really cared about all of the American people and our future, and that she would be a better president than a felon, racist, misogynist, insurrectionist, liar, bully and cheater? What am I missing?

"What am I missing?" the writer asks. In our view, it's an extremely important question.

In the view of this Harris voter, Candidate Harris offered a positive narrative, proposed that each of us had a noble role to play. That said, she was defeated by a candidate who is "a felon, racist, misogynist, insurrectionist, liar, bully and cheater."

What more could Harris have done, this writer asks. "What am I missing?"

Another writer seems to know what she's missing.  He writes from Great neck, New York—and the Times notes that he's a psychiatrist:

To the Editor:

David Brooks, whom I regard highly, failed to emphasize the obvious: 76 million people elected a patently unqualified person to be president of the United States.

I would not venture an explanation for the cause of this mind-boggling phenomenon, but the hold of irrational over logical thinking comes to mind. Interviews with voters reveal the “feel” factor: “I feel things were better,” or “I feel he didn’t mean it.” Whatever the snake oil magic Donald Trump had, it was “feeling,” not rational assessment, that fed him to a receptive people.

The writer says he won't offer an explanation, but then he instantly does. The receptive people who voted for Trump succumbed to the hold of irrational thinking. Trump had offered these people snake oil magic, and these sub-rational voters succumbed.

"What am I missing?" the one writer asked. The second writer answered. Neither writer seemed able to imagine a reason why rational or decent person might have decided to vote for Candidate Trump.

The one writer seems to be puzzled by the way those 77 million people voted. The other writer seems to have a sweeping explanation.

Ever since November 5, such ruminations have been general over Blue America. In the days which follow, we'll list some of the obvious reasons why some of those 77 million people may have decided to vote for Candidate Trump—or may perhaps have decided to vote against Candidate Harris.

Why did people vote for Trump? Within the past week, Thom Hartmann seemed to say that Trump's voters are all "deeply racist." 

Writing in last Sunday's New York Times, Roxanne Gay seemed to say that Trump's voters are bigots, but she explicitly sad that they are participating in "a mass delusion."

She said they want to believe nonsense and conjecture—that we shouldn't act as if they're sharing the same reality as ours. To peruse the text of what she said, see last Wednesday's report.

Last Friday night, Speaker McClinton (D-Pa.) grasped a different part of the elephant. As we noted on Saturday, she told Jonathan Capehart that this is why "America" voted for Trump:

MCCLINTON (11/22/24): We need to be honest. This nation does not want a woman in charge. That is what we need to agree upon. 

We need to agree upon the fact that people understood everything our former president stood for, all of the promises he made on that campaign trail abut dismantling our democracy. The deadly insurrection that he provoked on the sixth of January in 2021. 

Nevertheless, all of the things that occurred, they decided they didn't want what will probably be one of the most accomplished women to ever run to be the president—a former prosecutor both locally and at the state level, a member of the United States Senate, the first woman vice president. 

That is what we need to acknowledge. This nation decided they [sic] didn't want that.

Telling us what we need to acknowledge, she seemed to grab the misogynist part of the elephant. As with Hartmann, so too here. There was no suggestion that there could be any understandable reason behind a vote for Trump. 

On this, the latest of our Blue Mondays, letter writers in the Times are trying to puzzle it out. In our view, there is none so blind as we Blue Americans when we refuse to see. 

That said, our Blue America is full of such dysfunction. It keeps us from seeing the long list of ways those of us in Blue America have long worked to earn our way out, down through the past five or six decades but also during the Biden years.

For ourselves, we never considered voting for Trump. That said, it's easy to compile a list of reasons which explain why the Others may have cast that vote.

The list goes on and on and on, but in a very dangerous move, we Blues keep refusing to see.

I'll count you as part of the problem, Maher said. We think he got it right.

Tomorrow: Back to our starter list

51 comments:

  1. There is no point in rehashing this. Somerby seems to be obsessed with calculating Trump's margin, but why? It changes nothing. Harris did the best she could but it wasn't enough.

    Meanwhile, Somerby says:

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    1. sorry, got cut off:

      "Over here in Blue America, many of our fellow citizens are wondering how a candidate like Trump could possibly have won—indeed, how a person like Donald J. rump could possibly have received any votes at all."

      I recall wondering this after Nixon won, and again after Reagan won, and again after G.W. Bush won. I do not see how anyone in their right mind could have voted for any of these Republican candidates.

      The most helpful books I've read on this subject are those by political psychologists such as Jonathan Haidt, who explain that Republicans and Democrats hold different values. Somerby has apparently not read any of that stuff. He blathers on year after year without clearly saying what he means, but scolding blue voters as if it were our fault that Trump (or Bush or Reagan) got elected, when we each have only our own vote to be accountable for casting.

      I know for a fact that I have not caused anyone to vote for Trump. I also know that people will suffer for that national decision. Beyond that, I do not understand why Somerby writing this shit.

      Somerby appears to blame Hartmann for calling Trump voters "deeply racist." Of course they are! How could anyone support Trump without being racist. Somerby claims that is possible but he has not explains or shown any evidence that his own belief is correct and Hartmann is wrong. It is racist to vote for any candidate who says that Haitians are eating pets, plainly playing on racial animosity. That is purely and deeply racist and so must be anyone who votes for the candidate who says that. Trump showed himself to be a racist the minute he went down that elevator and talked about rapist immigrants. That was racist from the beginning, and so is Trump's history, from his early days defending his dad in housing court against claims of discrimination against black renters (echoes by Mary Trump, who was there).

      Somerby contention that not everyone who voted for Trump is racist is wrong because someone has to be willing to vote for a racist in order to hold any other reason for voting for Trump, and that is a hurdle most good decent people cannot cross. And then there is Trump's treatment of women, another bridge too far for me, but also for good decent voters of any party. Somerby doesn't bother talking about that because he himself doesn't like women much. But that is a dealbreaker for those of us who care about values. And the lying! No one can vote for someone who tells blatant lies the way Trump does.

      So, I agree with the letter writers Somerby quotes and I strongly disagree with Somerby that there can be any good reasons for voting for Trump. That people did so suggests that they lack values, not that their reasons were strong, or that they had any reasons except self-interest and bigotry.

      Somerby presents no evidence or arguments to address these strongly held beliefs among blue voters. Until he does, he is spewing right wing propaganda and not conducting a serious discussion of the past election or the current state of leadership once Trump takes over.

      The man will not sign the standard ethics paperwork. He cannot get and does not deserve a security clearance. But Somerbys says we blue voters are wrong. I have to wonder what is wrong with Somerby himself, because clearly something is very wrong with him.

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    2. anon 11:05 - it is clearly wrong to say everyone who voted for Trump is a "racist." for example, hundreds of thousands of blacks and hispanics voted for trump. According to you they're all racists. And I'm pretty sure that plenty of whites who voted for Trump are not "racists." I know some people who voted for him and they're not racists. It's an arrogant, evidence free, irrational position. The outlook expressed by you here helped Trump to win. TDH says blue voters are wrong in various ways - not that they are "wrong" about everything. Expressing that view hardly demonstrates that TDH has "something wrong with him." I'd say that about you, though, but that would be unkind.

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    3. AC/ MA,
      Ask your Republican friends if blacks and hispanics can be racists, before you go around touting the fact they can't be to support your thesis.

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    4. "I know some people who voted for him and they're not racists."
      Great. Have you thought of asking what reasons they had for voting for Trump? I'd love to know what they tell you. Perhaps, you can have one or two come here to explain it, and answer some questions from TDH readers.

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    5. Pretending to overlook his racism does not give a pass to Trump voters no matter their stated reasons.

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    6. Anon, I don't doubt that there are some blacks and Hispanics who are 'racists.' I'm not sure how asking people who voted for Trump whether they think that there any blacks or hispanics who are "racist", regardless of their answer could have any effect, one way or the other, on my "thesis" that not every person who voted for Trump is a "racist." Not a very bright question, anon 5:27. You should perhaps think things through better.

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    7. anon 5:29, I don't have a wide sample. One friend who is a retired lawyer things woke dems are too self-righteous; that that Trump's actions are ok, even if his words aren't, and that Harris was a lightweight, and not particularly competent for the job. (This is very truncated). I don't agree with him on a lot of what he says. The other person, a person who works for a client of mine, and who didn't go to college, was always a democrat. but he changed in recent years. he didn't like the inflation. He believed we should help our own citizens in need instead of migrants. He thought the economy was good under Trump and that we didn't have wars then. I wouldn't necessarily agree with all his reasoning. But I think there are commentators here (you know who) who are more off the wall that my 2 trump voting acquaintances.

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    9. he didn't like the inflation

      Posting on his Truth Social platform, Trump said that on the first day of his presidency he will charge Mexico and Canada a 25% tariff on all products coming into the U.S. He added in a separate social-media post that he would impose an additional 10% tariff on all products that come into the U.S. from China, though he didn’t specify whether that levy would come on his first day in office. Such a tariff would come on top of existing tariffs the U.S. has already imposed on Chinese goods.

      I hope your friend enjoys them.

      Also don't forget about the Haitians eating the family pets. We can't forget that.

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    10. AC/ MA.
      Thanks. No doubt your friend who thinks woke Dems are too self-righteous about people having equal access and justice hasn't a bigoted bone in their body.
      Now, I feel stupid for having asked.
      LOL.

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    11. Trump voters aren't bigots, so they don't really mind Dems protecting women's right to bodily autonomy. It's the smugness of Dems as they try to prevent women from being made second-class citizens that upsets the Right so much, they voted for a self-admitted sexual predator, who stole money from a children's cancer charity, and was impeached for treason against the United States of America.
      Thanks for clearing that up.

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    12. Just as Trump steals whatever he wants from musical artists, despite lawsuits, he is now being told to stop selling guitars because his supplier apparently stole the Les Paul guitar shape from Gibson and it is patented. Anyone with an ounce of IQ would be embarrassed for Trump.

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    13. Being undereducated, right wingers tend to confuse being self-righteous with just being right. It must suck to be wrong all the time, but how is that the left's fault?

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    14. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/26/trump-tariffs-prices-harris-poll

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    15. anon 10:19 - I see - you're not self-righteous - you're just right about everything.

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    16. And I am the greatest bridge player.

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  2. Let’s see. Blue tribe’s main source of identity is hatred of one person. They are a party of The Science, but their chief Science Priest (Tyson) thinks men and women are equally strong physically and men can birth babies. They call you anti-vaxer if you think, may be, new born babies need a few less shots than the 72-shot vaccine regime. Blues think Ukraine’s border is sacred, but ours is not. They call a cackling airhead DEI-spawn the most qualified nominee for President. To quote our incomparable JD Vance, they shamelessly lie like a toddler (e.g. Trump will weaponize the government and go after his political enemies).

    Why do we call Blues “pompous blowhards who identify as smart”? Let me count the ways.

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    1. Science Priest?

      Here is a perfect example of what we blues cannot understand and blame for the mess we are in. Somerby doesn't bother thinking about how this guy got this way. Blues do worry about that. Yes, this guy has the right to all of his opinions, but he doesn't have the right to hold them without criticism or complaint. Somerby seems to think he does, but when someone says something incorrect, in our society, he should be challenged not coddled.

      Where is anything understandable in this guy's comment above?

      Note that Somerby does not enumerate any of the supposedly valid reasons someone might have for voting for Trump. He has been talking about our blue failure since the election, without listing any of the reasons he has promised. Is one of them that Harris was a cackling airhead? Have we allowed Russia to invade the US across our Southern border (well, maybe we have allowed them to invade our media and infiltrate the Republican party, but that isn't what this guy means). Do babies not need vaccinations? Yes, there is science showing that they will live longer if they get them. Does this guy not believe in science -- apparently he doesn't understand it. Blues think that might be the fault of our schools. Republicans disagree and call that indoctrination.

      And how does Somerby think this mess can be addressed? He doesn't say, but apparently he thinks we blues should stop criticizing the right wing goofballs like this idiot, and their leadership. I don't know how to get this guy back on track, but perhaps it involves not paying him to troll any more.

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    2. This guy denies that Trump is going to weaponize the government and go after his political enemies.

      Here is Jeff Tiedrich's take on that one:

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      “Trump is coming for the executive branch. He seems motivated by retribution rather than efficiency.”

      wait, what? Donny SEEMS motivated by retribution? wow! stop the presses!

      Christ on a coco-puff, the Washington Post can’t even come right out and say it plainly — they have to equivocate, and stick “seems” in there — as if there’s still some lingering doubt in any sane person’s mind.

      has the Post been living under a rock for the past nine years? it’s just now dawning on them that the spite-fueled man-baby who never shuts the fuck up about inflicting revenge on his enemies just might be ‘motivated by retribution’?

      hey WaPo — what was your first fucking clue that Donny seems to be ‘motivated by retribution’? was it when he preened like some defective dime-store Mussolini before a crowd of deranged cultists and literally screamed I AM YOUR RETRIBUTION?

      because that should have tipped it right off, then and there."

      And yet this Trump supporter says that is not true. How can a person believe that in the face of Trump's recent appointments and HIS OWN STATEMENTS AT RALLIES?

      Somerby says these Trump supporters have reasons. Is insanity one of them? It should be right there at the top of Somerby's so-far-nonexistent list, that he claims is so easy to compile. This guy is lying, just like Trump does, when he says we are making up Trump's threat to use the government for retribution against his enemies. He has threatened to court-martial his own appointees (from his first term). He has said he will put Hillary in jail. There is so much evidence of Trump's intentions that this troll can hardly keep a straight face while typing such a lie about blues. But Somerby thinks this is all our fault. That is not the most ridiculous thing Somerby has ever said, but it is close to it. And I cannot understand why Somerby writes this shit day after day, or why right wingers do what they do, when it is so obvious what they are really about.

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    3. 11:07 — Bravo!!

      The strong beliefs on both sides are an example of motivated reasoning. Once human adopt a position we tend to pay more attention to things that support our position. Thus we become more and more convinced that our position is the only way to look at things. The other side becomes incomprehensible.

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    4. David, do you believe Harris should have been criticized for having a "cackling laugh" instead of for her policies? That's what 11:07 has done and you say "bravo". Do you think there is a "Science Priest"? I thought, being an actuary, you were an educated man of science yourself. Apparently not.

      Trump clearly appoints his cabinet based on their looks. Did you vote against Harris because of her looks?

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    5. "They call you anti-vaxer if you think, may be, new born babies need a few less shots than the 72-shot vaccine regime."

      Newborns have immunity from their mothers for a period of time after being born. They only give them shots against the baby-killers like whooping cough, measles and other diseases once that initial immunity has worn off (after they are no longer newborns). Infant mortality statistics show the effectiveness of giving these vaccines to babies, declining from 165 per thousand in 1900 (before vaccines were developed) to 7 per thousand in 1997.

      I was friends with a man who was in a wheelchair his entire life, because he caught polio the year before the vaccine became available.

      Easy to believe babies shouldn't be given shots if you know fuck-all about science and medicine.

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    6. 11:34,
      Thank you This past weekend. TDH has a lot of back and forth about why Trump won the election.
      Once the sides adopted their positions; pro-bigotry on the Right, pro-equality on the Left, it became easier to believe whatever they wanted to hear. Trump's bigotry, and how Republican voters react to it, is a Pavlov's dog story.

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    7. Look up CDC Guideline. Newborn babies do not get 72 vaccination shots. These are easy facts to look up. Some kook throws out a ridiculous number and everyone nods their head-on the right.

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    8. Republican voters don't care enough about the number of vaccines a new born gets to get it right, because it's not one of the two things that are important to them.

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    9. "They call a cackling airhead DEI-spawn the most qualified nominee for President."

      She was far more qualified than Clinton, W., Obama or Trump.

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  3. "This nation decided they [sic] didn't want that."

    Quaker, Somerby is using [sic] again without the grammatical difficulty you cited yesterday. It is his way of complaining when a speaker (who is not Somerby) refers to us and them. We who are not Republicans or deplorable miscreants have the right to refer to those other people using whatever term we choose. This misuse of [sic] to complain about what others have written is Somerby's veiled way of disparaging other people without addressing their points. It is slimy, not cute.

    Somerby [sic] is being [sic] an asshole [sic]. You should have known better than to argue otherwise when it is plain what he is doing.

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    1. Um, what now? Our Host reposts in full his transcription from Saturday. How in the world does the "grammatical difficulty" disappear during the process of cutting and pasting?

      Your closing paragraph tells your story. You desperately want to call Our Host names, and so you do.

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    2. I’m talking about today, not last time.

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    3. The right wing is upset about pronouns. it is their issue. Why are Somerby and Quaker worried about saying us or they? Chasing yet another right wing meme makes no sense.

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    4. Wow 7:40. I see as the left as the ones who are upset about pronouns. If a man wants me to call him “she” I am not upset by the request. However, I may not fulfill the request. I naturally will be upset if I am punished for calling him “he”.

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    5. Right, as David illustrates, the right is upset about pronouns. Everyone else just uses them.

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    6. Hey Dickhead, get this. All DOJ employees who worked on Donald J Chickenshit's multiple felony indictments are now being targeted for firing. Aint that some shit. Talk about punishment.

      By the way, Dickhead, have you heard of a woman named Porsha Ngumezi?

      SUGAR LAND, Texas — For the third time in less than a month, ProPublica has published a report on the death of a Texas woman as a result of the state's abortion ban.

      Don't worry, Dickhead, she's only black. No biggy.

      I hope you haven't been suffering too much with demands on your pronoun usage. Go fuck yourself.

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    7. David in Cal,
      I hear you. I have no problem with people requesting I stop calling Republican voters "bigots". However, I may not fulfill that request, because I don't fear truth-telling. Naturally I shouldn't be punished for not pretending they know something about economics.

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    8. In AC/ MA's friends defense, they'd vote for any Republican who wasn't as smug as Democrats. The GOP just happened to nominate a bigot this election cycle.

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    9. Remember when David in Cal was calling Kamala a liar because she said Trump was running on the Project 2025 agenda? I remember.

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  4. Maybe it is Somerby who is being blind today. At Digby's blog, Tom Sullivan argues that it is the billionaires versus everyone else, including the people on the right with their reasons. I haven't heard Somerby talk about the influence of billionaires on the media, much less the election, but the left has been pointing it out frequently and loudly. Trump is one of those billionaires himself but he has sold out our country to wealthy donors who will now plunder at will. Meanwhile Somerby attacks blue voters.

    https://digbysblog.net/2024/11/25/no-defense-baby-they-sur-ren-dered/

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    1. In fairness, Somerby has complained when Rachel Maddow got paid (albeit less than Tucker Carlson or the other Fox hosts). I'm not sure how much money Somerby believes is fair compensation for risking one's life and receiving death threats, and now being threatened with jail by the newly elected president.

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  5. It would be an interesting sociological investigation to ask why a blogger's comment section gets overrun by those who hate the blogger so much. Why are the haters so obsessed? Why do they persist in reading someone they so despise?

    (My guess is that allowing the use of "Anonymous" postings is a main driver of this phenomenon.)

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    1. What's with people pushing back against bullshit? Is this new?

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    2. PP - there may only be 2 or 3 who are demented. Or 1. No way to tell, as they/he/she/them are anons.

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    3. AC/ MA,
      I like it better when you thought Joe Biden should do nothing to help the white working class, because that's "identity politics".

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    4. Characterizing people who disagree with Somerby as “haters” might be part of PP’s problem.

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    5. After freely calling Somerby every horrible name possible (racist, sexist, foreign agent, traitor, pedophile, Republican, etc.), the Somerby critics start whimpering and blubbering when they are called “haters.”

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    6. As a failed standup comedian, Somerby's skin is thicker than a rhino's. Give it a rest PP. Pro tip: don't read any posts by anonymous and you'll sleep better.

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    7. At 5:34 - what do you expect of a person who believes that only white people can be racist.

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